In combination with Free BMD these Indexes are wonderful, I have been beavering away for a week now and have found some babies that had died that I did not know existed plus extra children. Great stuff and I am grateful for the indexes. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:46 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] GRO Indexes > Just in case any one has missed this annoucement. > > Births & Deaths - Extra Indexes and Temporary Price Cuts > > Major changes are about to affect our access to records of births and > deaths in England & Wales. > > Indexes > > Until recently, the only way to consult indexes of birth and death > registrations online and free of charge was by visiting the FreeBMD > website. FreeBMD will continue to be useful to many researchers. However, > for some searches, newly released indexes on the General Register Office > (GRO) site will also be helpful. They cover these periods: > · Births (July 1837-December 1915) > · Deaths (July 1837-December 1957) > > Unlike all other indexes, the new GRO ones include these details for all > years back to 1837: > · Births = the mother's maiden name > · Deaths = the age at death. > > The new GRO indexes are very cumbersome to use as you have to specify the > year (plus or minus up to only 2 years) and also the gender of the person > concerned. > > Temporary price cuts > > The GRO is now legally able to issue registration information other than > as a certificate. As a pilot service, it intends to make information > available in PDF form. Phase 1 of the new service starts on 9 November > 2016 and will run for up to 3 weeks. It will test demand for > uncertificated copies of the civil registration entries that are already > digitised (i.e. birth entries recorded 1837 – 1934 and death entries > recorded 1837 – 1957), in addition to those much more recent birth, death, > marriage and civil partnership records which were also recorded directly > onto the registration service online system. The application must be > submitted online and contain a GRO reference. These PDFs will cost £6. > > This phase of the pilot will close after 3 weeks or when 45,000 PDFs have > been ordered, whichever comes soonest. Further phases will follow and are > described in detail on the GRO site. > > So, if you want details of such births and deaths, you can get them for > £6.00, instead of £9.25 - but only for a very short time. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
What a brilliant resource! I had several families that were on the 1911 census who had stated that they had more children than I was aware of (because some had died young). Although tedious I have resolved them all now. It is a bit tedious as you need to search for births with surname and mother's maiden name and choose a gender and then choose a birth year (+-2), then add 4 years and another 4 years etc. Then repeat with the other gender. My luck was that the surnames weren't that common. Another area I have managed to resolve (in conjunction with Findmypast's baptisms and burials in Devon) is for "blended families" e.g. husband married twice and wife married twice (at least). The children's names are shown on censuses, but who belongs to whom? I have been able to sort out which child came from which marriage, eliminated duplicates (as child's names often differed on different censuses). Also found extra children who had died as infants. Just as tedious to do the searches, but solved most of the problems. Again it was helped by having less common names such as Muxworthy and Gayton - less easy when two brothers married two sisters!! There is an issue still with these indexes that may never be solved, since the transcriptions came from the DOVE project. I have found a few people where the person's birth or death is listed on FreeBMD, Findmypast etc. But they are not listed on the new GRO indexes. As the surname is a mandatory field it is impossible to totally prove that the entry isn't on the system, but from the various searches I have done, I cannot find them. If only it was possible to just use first name, GRO ref, etc. Then I would be more than certain about missing entries. I've reported one, to see what happens. Remember!!!! When searching the death indexes the "age at death" is listed. However, for children the value might refer to hours, days, weeks, months or years. E.g. if the index says the child died aged 4, the chances are that the child might be 4 months, 4 weeks or 4 years. This is a consistent issue with these indexes. It is unlikely to be corrected in the short term. It seems that marriage indexes will not be added because the DOVE project was cancelled before they had been digitised/indexed. Hopefully, if people order lots more uncertified certificates, enough money will be raised to enable them to be added. N.B. the cost of £6 isn't a "temporary" reduction. This is a trial of a new system and the £6 is the price chosen for the trial. After the trial has finished and the results analysed hopefully a permanent service will be offered. To me, £6 seems fair for a service where people are still involved. If it becomes totally automated then I would expect a cheaper service. But, WOW, I have resolved lots of issues that I thought I'd never sort out. And it has cost nothing. I have ordered some "certificates" but only for those on my direct line, or where there might be ambiguities. Jack -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 10 November 2016 19:44 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] GRO Indexes In combination with Free BMD these Indexes are wonderful, I have been beavering away for a week now and have found some babies that had died that I did not know existed plus extra children. Great stuff and I am grateful for the indexes. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:46 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] GRO Indexes > Just in case any one has missed this annoucement. > > Births & Deaths - Extra Indexes and Temporary Price Cuts > > Major changes are about to affect our access to records of births and > deaths in England & Wales. > > Indexes > > Until recently, the only way to consult indexes of birth and death > registrations online and free of charge was by visiting the FreeBMD > website. FreeBMD will continue to be useful to many researchers. > However, for some searches, newly released indexes on the General > Register Office > (GRO) site will also be helpful. They cover these periods: > · Births (July 1837-December 1915) > · Deaths (July 1837-December 1957) > > Unlike all other indexes, the new GRO ones include these details for > all years back to 1837: > · Births = the mother's maiden name > · Deaths = the age at death. > > The new GRO indexes are very cumbersome to use as you have to specify > the year (plus or minus up to only 2 years) and also the gender of the > person concerned. > > Temporary price cuts > > The GRO is now legally able to issue registration information other > than as a certificate. As a pilot service, it intends to make > information available in PDF form. Phase 1 of the new service starts > on 9 November > 2016 and will run for up to 3 weeks. It will test demand for > uncertificated copies of the civil registration entries that are > already digitised (i.e. birth entries recorded 1837 – 1934 and death > entries recorded 1837 – 1957), in addition to those much more recent > birth, death, marriage and civil partnership records which were also > recorded directly onto the registration service online system. The > application must be submitted online and contain a GRO reference. These PDFs will cost £6. > > This phase of the pilot will close after 3 weeks or when 45,000 PDFs > have been ordered, whichever comes soonest. Further phases will follow > and are described in detail on the GRO site. > > So, if you want details of such births and deaths, you can get them > for £6.00, instead of £9.25 - but only for a very short time. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Jack Earnshaw <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is an issue still with these indexes that may never be solved, since > the transcriptions came from the DOVE project. I have found a few people > where the person's birth or death is listed on FreeBMD, Findmypast etc. But > they are not listed on the new GRO indexes. As the surname is a mandatory > field it is impossible to totally prove that the entry isn't on the system, > but from the various searches I have done, I cannot find them. If only it > was possible to just use first name, GRO ref, etc. Then I would be more > than certain about missing entries. I've reported one, to see what happens. > I have found a couple of entries where the baptism records suggested the child was illegitimate (the child is listed only with the mother's name). The new GRO index seems to agree -- the entries show the mother's name in the main surname field, with the mother's maiden name blank. (I have ordered the certificate for one of these children so I'll see what it looks like once it arrives.) For some of the missing entries, if you have an idea of the mother's maiden name, try putting it in the main surname field to see if anything pops out. (I'm wondering if some of the missing entries have the father's name in the mother's maiden name field, and the mother's maiden name in the main surname field, due to indexer error.) Jan Jan Murphy [email protected]