Can SKS help please. Herbert Grillage was born in 1874 he married Elsie Augusta Clarke b 1889 between 1900 and 1908 They lived in Plymouth Herbert died in 1934 and is buried in Plymouth with his parents Peter and Temperance Grillage. I have searched through records for Herbert's marriage but can find nothing. They produced a son Frederick George Grillage I think in 1908 but I can find no record of his birth on Ancestry or Find My Past. Also there is no mention of them on the 1911 census. This is a brick wall I am desperately trying to knock down. I hope someone can help. Many thanks

Hi Paul There is a marriage in Plymouth in Mar qtr 1908 for an Elsie Augusta Clarke and a Herbert Gerald Fitzgerald. The name has also been transcribed as Eleanor Augusta Clarke as well on Free BMD The ref no is Plymouth 5b 407 Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bennett via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2016 10:02 AM Subject: [DEV] Marriage of Herbert Grillage > Can SKS help please. > > Herbert Grillage was born in 1874 he married Elsie Augusta Clarke b 1889 > between 1900 and 1908 > They lived in Plymouth Herbert died in 1934 and is buried in Plymouth with > his parents Peter and Temperance Grillage. > I have searched through records for Herbert's marriage but can find > nothing. They produced a son Frederick George Grillage I think in 1908 > but I can find no record of his birth on Ancestry or Find My Past. Also > there is no mention of them on the 1911 census. > This is a brick wall I am desperately trying to knock down. > I hope someone can help. > > Many thanks > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul, Based on Anne's findings, it may be time to buy some certificates. Herbert's life before and after the marriage and the birth of Frederick are fairly east to trace. This includes FMP newspaper stories as a garage and taxi owner in the 1920's . He appears in all census from 1881 to 1901 as born in Dorset the son on a Russian immigrant. Around 1908 there was unrest about immigration and many immigrants changed or anglised their name but then reverted back. I would start with the Fitzgerald and Frederick George wedding certificates in particular ages and fathers. 1. Was Frederick George illegitimate and either registered in his mother's name or not at all. He gave his date of birth as 1907 but Elsie Augusta Clarke's wedding was 1908. Elsie would only be 18 at this time. 2. Were there 2 Elsie Augusta Clarkes but I can find no evidence. 3. Was Herbert Gerald Fitzgerald a real person or just a change of name. I can't see anyone of this name in the Plymouth area. Was he a sailor who had no intention of staying and did Herbert just move in and start living as man and wife. 4. Did Herbert spend some time overseas either in the services to seek his fortune. I noticed that Frederick's wife Morfa is on various ships lists on FMP. >From Familysearch.org Frederick George Grillage England, Devon, Parish Registers, 1538-1912 birth: 1907 marriage: 1935 Devon spouse: Morfa Ann Roose Frederick George Grillage Find A Grave Index death: 3 December 1944 burial: 1944 Venray, Venray Municipality, Limburg, Netherlands These are the only two Grillage events in Devon 1900-1910 apart from the death of Peter, Herbert's father. Who is he? GRILLAGE HERBERT F 1904 - 1904 England & Wales births 1837-2006 St. Thomas, Devon, England GRILLAGE HERBERT F W 1905 1905 1905 England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 St. Thomas, Devon, England Finally this is on Ancestry with an image. Unfortunately I don't have a subscription. Cheers Paul 1911 England Census Summary Books Name: Grillage Mrs Residence: city, Devon, England -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett via Sent: 29 May 2016 01:02 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Marriage of Herbert Grillage Can SKS help please. Herbert Grillage was born in 1874 he married Elsie Augusta Clarke b 1889 between 1900 and 1908 They lived in Plymouth Herbert died in 1934 and is buried in Plymouth with his parents Peter and Temperance Grillage. I have searched through records for Herbert's marriage but can find nothing. They produced a son Frederick George Grillage I think in 1908 but I can find no record of his birth on Ancestry or Find My Past. Also there is no mention of them on the 1911 census. This is a brick wall I am desperately trying to knock down. I hope someone can help. Many thanks ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS ( <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message