Hello Paul, Thank-you for the reply. Responses in text below: On 3 October 2016 at 20:59, Paul Hockie <[email protected]> wrote: > Peter, > > Wills were one of the churches secular functions..Ireland is a bit like > Devon relying on Victorian calendars and indices. Most of these have been > published in one form or another. Where I was coming from with the question is that I am aware that the role of the Roman Catholic church in England was very limited at least until the Catholic Emancipation Act of 1829. Not allowed to conduct legal marriages etc etc, and presumably not allowed to officiate the proof of wills. The Roman Catholic church was obviously more widespread in Ireland, but was it any more tolorated by the authorities? > I would recommend getting a copy of > Tracing your Cork Ancestors published by Flyleaf Press. The book has a > fairly comprehensive list of what records have survived , including parish > records. > In England/Wales marriage licences stated the church where the marriage was > authorised to take place.. This was probably true for Ireland but I have > never had need to check . Where was the licence referenced? In the National Archives in Dublin there are a number of handwritten volumes, probably Victorian calandars of the type that you describe. The volumes are by diocese and record the name of the parties, Simon Cocheram and Mary Cosgrave and the year (1814). The volume has subsequently been digitized by FindMyPast and now forms part of their "Ireland Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bonds indexes 1623-1866" collection. I was advised by the genealogist that the Irish National Archives employ to offer advice that the licence bond allegation papers no longer existed, but that the licence would have been issued by the Church of Ireland. The Irish National Archives have some Church of Ireland records on microfilm but I think I am close to exhausting what they have filmed for Cloyne Diocese but without finding the marriage that I am seeking. > Beware of the term engineer. It referred to anyone who worked with engines. > At this time it was more likely to refer to the operator of a mine pump. A > dirty and dangerous job. The Stockton and Darlington Railway opened in 1825, > the Liverpool, Manchester (Rocket) was 1830 and Irelands 1834. That makes sense. Thanks. Regards Peter > > Cheers > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Peter J. Richardson > Sent: 29 September 2016 22:31 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] Ireland Will Calenders > > Hello Paul > > On 29 September 2016 at 10:23, Paul Hockie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Pre 1858 wills, like England, were probated in ecclesiastical courts >> based on bishoprics.. A number of sees cross the border. Derry, for >> example, includes a chunk of north-west Donegal. >> For Ireland, you need to know at least the county to know which >> database to use. > > Would I be correct in thinking that it would only be the Church of Ireland > that would have been allowed to administer wills prior to 1858, or would I > need to investigate RC sources as well. > > I know that there was a marriage licence issued to Simon Cockeram and Mary > Cosgrave by the diocese of Cloyne in 1814. I've not found the marriage > itself in any of Church of Ireland Cloyne parishes as yet. I have a > suspicion that Simon was C of E but that the Cosgraves were RC. > > I have however found one record that looks interesting at > https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/68e5240076215 > > The Thomas Edwards who married Mary Cosgrave after Simon Cochrane's death > was an engineer and they lived most of the 1820s and 1830s in Bristol. I > wonder whether an engineer in the 1820s or 1830s is likely to be connected > with the railways or whether those dates are too early. > > > Regards > Peter > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be > found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message