I may not be looking in the right bit of the site but there does not appear to be data for Devon in a lot of the sections. Is this an ongoing project that will have more information added over time? Meg Galley-Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> Sent: 12 October 2019 06:27 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Laurence Elliott, Robert Spray, Lustleigh 17th century That’s a really interesting read anyway Joy, and a website I didn’t know about, so thanks for sharing that. Jane > On 11 Oct 2019, at 19:04, joy.langdon--- via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I came across this which may be of interest to anyone on the list with > connections to the Elliott and Spray families from Lustleigh or anyone > interested in the Civil War period in Devon > > https://www.civilwarpetitions.ac.uk/blog/wounded-att-stampford-worke-t > wo-devon-tinners-recall-their-wartime-service/ > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

That’s a really interesting read anyway Joy, and a website I didn’t know about, so thanks for sharing that. Jane > On 11 Oct 2019, at 19:04, joy.langdon--- via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I came across this which may be of interest to anyone on the list with connections to the Elliott and Spray families from Lustleigh or anyone interested in the Civil War period in Devon > > https://www.civilwarpetitions.ac.uk/blog/wounded-att-stampford-worke-two-devon-tinners-recall-their-wartime-service/ > >

Yes.. they will arrive eventually. Glad you had a result... very exciting. Jane Jane Lucas > On 11 Oct 2019, at 20:18, Linda via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jane, > > I ordered one in July I think on 28th, it was from the 1930's and just received my copy today and thrilled with it so hang on in there. > > Kind Regards > Linda > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> > Sent: 11 October 2019 16:02 > To: [email protected] > Cc: Jane Lucas <[email protected]> > Subject: [DEV] Re: Probate Records > > Thanks for that Teresa > > Well.. I’ll just have to be patient. All mine except one are 19th century so I might be waiting even longer. It doesn’t matter. I expect people are still ordering as well. I know I have just found and ordered another. > Cheers > Jane > > > >> On 11 Oct 2019, at 13:31, Teresa Goatham <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> You might have a long wait - I'm still waiting for 3 ordered 24 July >> (only cheaper from 22 July)! I have noticed the speed (or rather, how >> slow) seems to depend on the date sof the will. Generally, more recent >> ones coming more quickly, though I've have had 1930s but 3 I'm waiting >> for (2 not yet sent, 1 error waiting for resend) are all 1940s. (Can't >> comment on 1925 back as I've only ordered some after 1925 - getting >> 1858-1925 at nearest FHC) >> >> Teresa >> >>> On 11/10/2019 10:47, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: >>> Is anyone still having a long wait for Wills to be uploaded? I have several outstanding including one from 15th August. In fact I’ve only had one and that was the wrong Will attached to the Probate Record. Still waiting for them to correct it. >>> >>> I don’t want to pester them as clearly they are inundated, but just wonder if I should chase the August one at least. >>> >>> Jane >>> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Jane, I ordered one in July I think on 28th, it was from the 1930's and just received my copy today and thrilled with it so hang on in there. Kind Regards Linda -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> Sent: 11 October 2019 16:02 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Probate Records Thanks for that Teresa Well.. I’ll just have to be patient. All mine except one are 19th century so I might be waiting even longer. It doesn’t matter. I expect people are still ordering as well. I know I have just found and ordered another. Cheers Jane > On 11 Oct 2019, at 13:31, Teresa Goatham <[email protected]> wrote: > > You might have a long wait - I'm still waiting for 3 ordered 24 July > (only cheaper from 22 July)! I have noticed the speed (or rather, how > slow) seems to depend on the date sof the will. Generally, more recent > ones coming more quickly, though I've have had 1930s but 3 I'm waiting > for (2 not yet sent, 1 error waiting for resend) are all 1940s. (Can't > comment on 1925 back as I've only ordered some after 1925 - getting > 1858-1925 at nearest FHC) > > Teresa > > On 11/10/2019 10:47, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: >> Is anyone still having a long wait for Wills to be uploaded? I have several outstanding including one from 15th August. In fact I’ve only had one and that was the wrong Will attached to the Probate Record. Still waiting for them to correct it. >> >> I don’t want to pester them as clearly they are inundated, but just wonder if I should chase the August one at least. >> >> Jane >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I came across this which may be of interest to anyone on the list with connections to the Elliott and Spray families from Lustleigh or anyone interested in the Civil War period in Devon https://www.civilwarpetitions.ac.uk/blog/wounded-att-stampford-worke-two-devon-tinners-recall-their-wartime-service/ At the moment there isn't much else on the civilwarpetitions website relating to Devon but it may be worth revisiting occasionally as the project progresses. Joy

It’s a problem that all software companies have, even Microsoft. They stopped running out of really useful features years ago so tend to mess about with look and feel or "ease of use". When I look at Word and other Office products, I still only use the commands I used 20 years ago. Once the companies start running out of ideas for new releases then they are left with support costs and not revenue. This was why the "cloud" was promoted as the greatest thing to hit home computers since, well, home computers. This way they can charge for an annual subscription. Ancestry knew this when they sold off FTM. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 October 2019 10:44 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: FTM 2019 Yes.. I can’t see much difference either! Though I didn’t have any trouble downloading it. I notice that the ‘weather warning’ is still orange.. mine has become permanently orange, never green, but it appears to sync ok with Ancestry anyway. Annoying. I suspect buying the updated version was unnecessary! Jane > On 11 Oct 2019, at 06:00, blackmore terry via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well it's arrived, but what a lot of faff trying to down load it. Even the on line chat resolved nothing. Eventually a lot more by sheer good luck than reading the instructions I managed the download. So far all I can see is a slightly speeded up version of FTM 2017. It does load quicker as well as faster processing of data. So far I've found nothing new. It's just FTM 2017 with a few extras at the first glance. Time will tell on any real differences. > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for that Teresa Well.. I’ll just have to be patient. All mine except one are 19th century so I might be waiting even longer. It doesn’t matter. I expect people are still ordering as well. I know I have just found and ordered another. Cheers Jane > On 11 Oct 2019, at 13:31, Teresa Goatham <[email protected]> wrote: > > You might have a long wait - I'm still waiting for 3 ordered 24 July (only cheaper from 22 July)! I have noticed the speed (or rather, how slow) seems to depend on the date sof the will. Generally, more recent ones coming more quickly, though I've have had 1930s but 3 I'm waiting for (2 not yet sent, 1 error waiting for resend) are all 1940s. (Can't comment on 1925 back as I've only ordered some after 1925 - getting 1858-1925 at nearest FHC) > > Teresa > > On 11/10/2019 10:47, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: >> Is anyone still having a long wait for Wills to be uploaded? I have several outstanding including one from 15th August. In fact I’ve only had one and that was the wrong Will attached to the Probate Record. Still waiting for them to correct it. >> >> I don’t want to pester them as clearly they are inundated, but just wonder if I should chase the August one at least. >> >> Jane >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

You might have a long wait - I'm still waiting for 3 ordered 24 July (only cheaper from 22 July)! I have noticed the speed (or rather, how slow) seems to depend on the date sof the will. Generally, more recent ones coming more quickly, though I've have had 1930s but 3 I'm waiting for (2 not yet sent, 1 error waiting for resend) are all 1940s. (Can't comment on 1925 back as I've only ordered some after 1925 - getting 1858-1925 at nearest FHC) Teresa On 11/10/2019 10:47, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: > Is anyone still having a long wait for Wills to be uploaded? I have several outstanding including one from 15th August. In fact I’ve only had one and that was the wrong Will attached to the Probate Record. Still waiting for them to correct it. > > I don’t want to pester them as clearly they are inundated, but just wonder if I should chase the August one at least. > > Jane > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks.. it confirms what I thought. Jane > On 11 Oct 2019, at 11:44, Ruth Appleby <[email protected]> wrote: > > I’m still waiting for wills ordered on 24th August > >>

I’m still waiting for wills ordered on 24th August Ruth Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Oct 2019, at 10:47, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Is anyone still having a long wait for Wills to be uploaded? I have several outstanding including one from 15th August. In fact I’ve only had one and that was the wrong Will attached to the Probate Record. Still waiting for them to correct it. > > I don’t want to pester them as clearly they are inundated, but just wonder if I should chase the August one at least. > > Jane > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I'm still waiting for one I ordered in July. I checked and it is still on the order so I can see no point in contacting them. Meg Galley-Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> Sent: 11 October 2019 10:47 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Probate Records Is anyone still having a long wait for Wills to be uploaded? I have several outstanding including one from 15th August. In fact I’ve only had one and that was the wrong Will attached to the Probate Record. Still waiting for them to correct it. I don’t want to pester them as clearly they are inundated, but just wonder if I should chase the August one at least. Jane _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Is anyone still having a long wait for Wills to be uploaded? I have several outstanding including one from 15th August. In fact I’ve only had one and that was the wrong Will attached to the Probate Record. Still waiting for them to correct it. I don’t want to pester them as clearly they are inundated, but just wonder if I should chase the August one at least. Jane

Yes.. I can’t see much difference either! Though I didn’t have any trouble downloading it. I notice that the ‘weather warning’ is still orange.. mine has become permanently orange, never green, but it appears to sync ok with Ancestry anyway. Annoying. I suspect buying the updated version was unnecessary! Jane > On 11 Oct 2019, at 06:00, blackmore terry via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well it's arrived, but what a lot of faff trying to down load it. Even the on line chat resolved nothing. Eventually a lot more by sheer good luck than reading the instructions I managed the download. So far all I can see is a slightly speeded up version of FTM 2017. It does load quicker as well as faster processing of data. So far I've found nothing new. It's just FTM 2017 with a few extras at the first glance. Time will tell on any real differences. > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Well it's arrived, but what a lot of faff trying to down load it. Even the on line chat resolved nothing. Eventually a lot more by sheer good luck than reading the instructions I managed the download. So far all I can see is a slightly speeded up version of FTM 2017. It does load quicker as well as faster processing of data. So far I've found nothing new. It's just FTM 2017 with a few extras at the first glance. Time will tell on any real differences.

PS.. I wasn’t properly awake this morning and confused you with Paul Hockie. So sorry. I looked at your website site briefly and just want to say thanks for making it available. It’s a brilliant resource. Thanks again Jane > On 7 Oct 2019, at 07:50, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wow, thanks Paul.

Not thinking straight - it’s https://web.archive.org/web/20130517174429/http://www.plymouthdata.info/Breakwater.htm Sent from my iPad On 7 Oct 2019, at 08:39, Mike Rendle <[email protected]> wrote: There’s an archived Plymouth History website that has the background to the Breakwater with key dates which suggests it was started in 1812. Best regards Mike Rendle Sent from my iPad On 7 Oct 2019, at 07:51, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: Wow, thanks Paul. I had a brief look at Paul Benyon’s site last night.. but just for the Minotaur. Though there is a very good diagram of movements for that ship during the battle of the Nile on Wikipedia. Titus lived in Plymouth as did Sarah. She was born in Wembury. It was her brother who was on the Minotaur. I don’t know much either about the waters. But I believe in the early days sailing was tricky because it’s open to Atlantic gales. I think a more protected harbour was built later but I’ll look into that. It can’t have been an easy life but hopefully there were compensations. It’s interesting to know of the custom of going on board to collect wages. I wonder if she travelled when the ship went into a different port. I know at one point the Superb was at Portsea. People in 18/19 centuries travelled around much more often than we sometimes imagine. And earlier. But when I read about the state of the roads I’m amazed. How people lived makes brings genealogy to life, but it’s not easy to collect details of people’s day to day lives. So all this is very useful, thank you. I’ve bookmarked pbenyon’s site. Regards Jane On 6 Oct 2019, at 23:57, Paul Benyon <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Jane Just a couple of comments......I've made a note of some movements &c., for the Superb launched at Woolwich in March 1798 - see : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/S/04474.html _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

There’s an archived Plymouth History website that has the background to the Breakwater with key dates which suggests it was started in 1812. Best regards Mike Rendle Sent from my iPad > On 7 Oct 2019, at 07:51, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wow, thanks Paul. I had a brief look at Paul Benyon’s site last night.. but just for the Minotaur. Though there is a very good diagram of movements for that ship during the battle of the Nile on Wikipedia. > > Titus lived in Plymouth as did Sarah. She was born in Wembury. It was her brother who was on the Minotaur. I don’t know much either about the waters. But I believe in the early days sailing was tricky because it’s open to Atlantic gales. I think a more protected harbour was built later but I’ll look into that. It can’t have been an easy life but hopefully there were compensations. > > It’s interesting to know of the custom of going on board to collect wages. I wonder if she travelled when the ship went into a different port. I know at one point the Superb was at Portsea. People in 18/19 centuries travelled around much more often than we sometimes imagine. And earlier. But when I read about the state of the roads I’m amazed. > > How people lived makes brings genealogy to life, but it’s not easy to collect details of people’s day to day lives. So all this is very useful, thank you. > > I’ve bookmarked pbenyon’s site. > > Regards > Jane > > > > > >> On 6 Oct 2019, at 23:57, Paul Benyon <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Jane >> >> Just a couple of comments......I've made a note of some movements &c., >> for the Superb launched at Woolwich in March 1798 - see : >> >> http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/S/04474.html >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Wow, thanks Paul. I had a brief look at Paul Benyon’s site last night.. but just for the Minotaur. Though there is a very good diagram of movements for that ship during the battle of the Nile on Wikipedia. Titus lived in Plymouth as did Sarah. She was born in Wembury. It was her brother who was on the Minotaur. I don’t know much either about the waters. But I believe in the early days sailing was tricky because it’s open to Atlantic gales. I think a more protected harbour was built later but I’ll look into that. It can’t have been an easy life but hopefully there were compensations. It’s interesting to know of the custom of going on board to collect wages. I wonder if she travelled when the ship went into a different port. I know at one point the Superb was at Portsea. People in 18/19 centuries travelled around much more often than we sometimes imagine. And earlier. But when I read about the state of the roads I’m amazed. How people lived makes brings genealogy to life, but it’s not easy to collect details of people’s day to day lives. So all this is very useful, thank you. I’ve bookmarked pbenyon’s site. Regards Jane > On 6 Oct 2019, at 23:57, Paul Benyon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Jane > > Just a couple of comments......I've made a note of some movements &c., > for the Superb launched at Woolwich in March 1798 - see : > > http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/S/04474.html > >

Hi Jane Just a couple of comments......I've made a note of some movements &c., for the Superb launched at Woolwich in March 1798 - see : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/S/04474.html so it would appear that Titus joined a newly built ship. Regarding the Alfred there appears to be only one in commission around this period from 1811-1865 - see : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/A/00185.html There was a hired vessel and an Indian Navy ship, around this period, but you can probably ignore them. I think you've been advised regarding the usual procedure for the payment of allotments from a man's wages on a regular basis, but for the record, when a man joined a recently commissioned ship as he probably did with the Superb, and his wife may have been living in the same area, say at Plymouth or Portsmouth, due to the lengthy periods that it took the Admiralty to set up these allotments then, in order that they didn't have to wait too long for payment, it wouldn't be unusual for wives to go on board on pay day in order that the husband could pay the wife the money that he had been paid, usually for about 3 months if I remember correctly. This often meant going out on board the ship at Spithead when at Portsmouth, or out to Plymouth Sound or more likely down to Cawsand Bay when at Plymouth. This was usually done within a day or so of the ship sailing and was unlikely to return to UK waters in the near future. I don't have personal experience of Plymouth waters, but can assure you that the waters out at Spithead could sometimes be more than a little lively, and this ignores the fact that wives had to pay the ferryman for their passage to and from the ship, usually in a wherry in those days. Regards Paul B On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 19:09:49 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Paul > >Thanks.. that makes sense. It explains why a column in the Allotment Registers is for ’Name: Wife or Mother.’ I'd hazarded a guess that it meant a pension would be paid to that person if the seaman failed to return home. > >Well.. it’s a lot easier tracking RN mariners than those in the Merchant Navy where records are indexed by ship name, and I am struggling to find any records. > >For Titus Grills, I now know the names of at least 5 ships on which he served. I think he was on the ‘Superb’ for several years. > >Thanks for all that. It’s useful to know that FMP have only a portion of the records. That seems to be the case frequently, for example with BMDs, even though their record coverage list suggests a more complete set of records. > >It might help me find more information on another ancestor who I know served at the Battle of the Nile, but other than confirmation from an organisation acting to research the history of the ship (HMS Minotaur), I can’t find anything else about his life at sea. I know Muster rolls for that battle have not been transcribed. I expect that is so in many other cases. Those muster rolls are at TNA. So both these men are serving during an really interesting period of history. Lots more to find out. I haven’t started on researching the ships themselves. > >Occasionally, I wish I lived in London.. I’ve only managed one visit to TNA in the last 3 years, and then I tried to do too much. > >Thanks again. > >Regards >Jane > > >> On 6 Oct 2019, at 18:45, Paul Hockie via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Some points: >> >> Allotments were deductions from a sailors pay to support, in most cases, wives or mothers. While at sea a sailor did not need much cash. The money was collected from the Customs House at nearest to the allottee. >> >> Prize money was shared between everybody on board in proportion to their rank plus a cut for the admiral. >> >> Pensions, at the time were not automatic but were granted by the admiralty. >> >> FMP has only a small portion of the ADM collection in TNA. Their biggest collection is Pensions (1m) then allotments (485k). The ships musters (280k) were indexed on a sample basis and the allotments are an extract from the payroll. I notice FMP only has matches for Titus Grills for Allotments and Pension. Unfortunately, to follow a sailor's career requires a visit to Kew armed the name of, at least, one ship and the date when he was a member of the crew. You can then work backwards and forwards to complete his naval career. It's worth reading the TNA Guides >> >> https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/?research-category=family-history&sub-category%5B%5D=royal-navy-royal-marines >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 06 October 2019 16:05 >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: Jane Lucas >> Subject: [DEV] UPDATE Re: Re: British Royal Navy Allotments >> >> Thanks Jill and Elizabeth for your help. It pointed the way for lots more records. >> >> Just in case anyone else is looking for similar information, FMP has copies of all the TNA records indexed by name and images of the original Registers. For Titus Grills there were 10, most of which repeated the same information. But one later (1817) record included place of birth, last residence, name of Wife, and even height!. >> >> Titus Grills was born at Millbrook, Cornwall. So that fits with the Cornwall baptism as Millbrook is in Maker Parish. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Jane >> >> >>> On 6 Oct 2019, at 14:32, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks.. that ties it up very well. I hope I’d have found that eventually if I wasn’t so impatient! >>> Regards >>> Jane >>> >>>> On 6 Oct 2019, at 14:28, joy.langdon--- via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> The 1809 document is here, Titus is the last paragraph of the document >>>> https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16476207 >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Jane Lucas via DEVON" <[email protected]> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >_______________________________________________ >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

No need to apologise. I probably gave the wrong impression. Yes, transcription is so difficult. I’d like to think I might help one of these days but I don’t think I’m skilled enough. I’d better at sorting out muddles with peoples trees, and I help that way I hope. I often wonder how many ‘errors’ there are in a family tree just because the actual facts have been forgotten, never to be found, and/or deliberately covered up. Particularly when there are children from an earlier relationship who end up just absorbed into a woman’s family. You’re right, everything has to be questioned and then again. I have huge respect for people who transcribe from a fiche. Whenever I do that for my own purposes (not often) I end up with a headache! I’m sure there will be people willing to take on some voluntary jobs. I’m surprised at how many younger people are interested. Fingers crossed. Regards Jane On 6 Oct 2019, at 21:25, Liz Youle via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Apologies, I thought you were referring to BMD rather than FMP or Ancestry. Relying on transcriptions is very difficult. I