Hello Edna, Thank you. We always appreciate your willingness to assist others. You are a wealth of information. Wayne Holmes Sent from my iPad > On Oct 26, 2019, at 10:08 AM, Edna Marlow <[email protected]> wrote: > > You could go through the book: > > Blizzard in the West http://www.gutenberg.org/files/43758/43758-h/43758-h.htm > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > > --- > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Shepheard Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] The Blizzard of 1891 > I would like to hear from anyone whose ancestors were in Cornwall, > Devon or Somerset when the Great Blizzard of 1891 hit the region > (March 9th). I am compiling stories concerning the event that may have > been passed down through the generations. > > You can respond here or email me at wshepheard at shaw dot ca. > > Wayne Shepheard > OPC for Cornwood, Harford, Plympton St. Mary & Plympton St. Maurice > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

You could go through the book: Blizzard in the West http://www.gutenberg.org/files/43758/43758-h/43758-h.htm Edna - sunny Ottawa --- -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Shepheard Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] The Blizzard of 1891 I would like to hear from anyone whose ancestors were in Cornwall, Devon or Somerset when the Great Blizzard of 1891 hit the region (March 9th). I am compiling stories concerning the event that may have been passed down through the generations. You can respond here or email me at wshepheard at shaw dot ca. Wayne Shepheard OPC for Cornwood, Harford, Plympton St. Mary & Plympton St. Maurice

I would like to hear from anyone whose ancestors were in Cornwall, Devon or Somerset when the Great Blizzard of 1891 hit the region (March 9th). I am compiling stories concerning the event that may have been passed down through the generations. You can respond here or email me at wshepheard at shaw dot ca. Wayne Shepheard OPC for Cornwood, Harford, Plympton St. Mary & Plympton St. Maurice

Ahh, that Kemp spelling, as well as S'kemp has appeared even in USA records, and I do recall seeing Kemp in UK records. I very much appreciate the time you have taken to give me details. The SKEMP line cousin I have in Great Grimsby will also appreciate it. It is a bit distant connection on her husband's line through a daughter's marriage of George Skemp (a brother to my Charles Widlake Skemp) that did not immigrate. At least that is what we found...but I need to spend some time to see if George actually is brother to MY Charles or is it another Charles. We'll figure it out now. What is confirming for what you found is the 'mason' trade that was their trade in Dubuque, Iowa. You are right, the new info is thankfully not wiping out generations of a family line, yikes, but I do need to get correct a generation or two I think...along with the documents / records attached. Will have to squeeze in computer time as we are still in move-in stage of life, having sold a huge house this summer when we bought a much smaller house. We did a previous big move summer of 2016, moving over the mountains from east Tennessee to western North Carolina. Then completely renovated the house we bought, which was too big, but very near the grandchildren and our oldest son. This time we bought a new, much smaller home. Big-time downsizing because my husband and I are the eldest child in our families, plus cared for our mothers who moved to Tennessee from Texas...and thus we got most of the handed down items from parents to add to our own 'junk and stuff,' which includes genealogy and bins of old photos. It's not too hard to part with excess furnishing or what-not collections, but I (we) keep what we cherish and I work hard to find a way to display decorative things passed down. Many our age are experiencing the same thing. Back to work...after I vacuum up dog hair shed by our yellow lab, and dust. Those annoying chores are interfering with my genealogy, lol. Joy, if you have any US research needs where I can help, please let me know. Again, thanks Joy. And thanks to all of you on the list who work so hard to help people researching. Audrey -----Original Message----- From: joy.langdon--- via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:53 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Ridd and Skemp I am glad I was able to help. At least it doesn't demolish a branch of your tree because they are all the same family, I have discovered errors in my own tree that have meant weeks of work and several generations have been swept away! I found the family on the 1861 census at 12 High Street, Bilston, Staffordshire. Findmypast have mistranscribed Robert's surname as Robert S Kemp so the family have the surname Kemp. Robert S Kemp Head 35 Hosier and lace man. North Tamerton, Cornwall, Elisa " Wife 39 Milliner Challacombe, Devon# William H Son 15 Assistant Bideford, Devon Charles W Son 13 Scholar Bideford, Devon Elisa C Dau 6 Scholar Bilston, Staffordshire Amy J Dau 5 " Robert Son 3 " Elizabeth H Dau 1 " Harriet C Lancey 20 Assistant Bratton Fleming, Devon Elizabeth Wootton 15 Apprentice Bloxwich, Staffordshire Jane Fisher 26 Servant Willlenhall, Staffordshire Elisa A King 15 Servant Bilston, Staffordshire I think Charles's father, William, may be on the 1841 census at Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. I am not completely sure but this is the entry and some of the other names do fit with William Scant and Susan Widlake's children and the older boys are masons. Ages were rounded down on the 1841 census which is why siblings appear with the same age and they are all born out of county. Lamington Place, Cheltenham Thomas Skemp 20 Mason William Skemp 20 " Samuel Skemp 12 Maria Skemp 20 William Skemp and Susanna Wedlock (Wedlake?) baptised a son Samuel 2nd Aug 1829 at Mint Street Methodist, Exeter, Devon I think Thomas Skemp appears on the 1851 census in Staffordshire, born 1819 Plymstock, Devon, Minister of the Baptist chapel. He has a son Charles W. Skemp and another William W Skemp and there is a probate entry on FamilySearch for Thomas Skemp 3 May 1875 Gloucester, beneficiaries William Widlake Skemp and Charles Widlake Skemp. There is a baptism at Plymstock 1818 for Thomas Scamp, son of William Scamp and Susanna, father's occupation mason. Maria may be Thomas's wife. Joy ------ Original Message ------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 26 Oct, 2019 At 04:27 Subject: [DEV] Re: Ridd and Skemp Joy, If I could hug you, I definitely would do it! You do live up to your name JOY, lol. Yes, I have been long confused by 2 men named Charles Widlake Skemp...actually there is a 3rd one that went to and stayed in New York. YES, my family did immigrate prior to 1871 as you mentioned in the previous reply...they went to Illinois...then later into Dubuque, Iowa. Some went into Minnesota and Wisconsin. When I connected with some SKEMP kin on the line of Paschal Widlake Skemp, they shared his memoirs ...which did confuse me a bit, and I think my confusion was, in part, due to having the wrong Charles Widlake Skemp...and the wrong father. At some time in the past, I must have seen the William SCAMP info ..."son of William and Susan, father mason" ...which is the trade my SKEMPs brought with them. My great grandfather Charles Widlake Skemp was a mason..a contractor and brick layer in Dubuque. Further to that, the fact that you found a RIDD connection now makes perfect sense. It was a found cousin, Linda Skemp Heyer, (2nd cousin) in Dubuque Iowa that had told me about the RIDD link possibility. I visited Linda in Dubuque in about 2005, but have in the past few years lost touch with Linda due to her moving to a new residence. Because my family left Iowa when I was about 3 years old, moving to Indiana and then down to Texas in 1949, I grew up seldom seeing my Iowa cousins, so when I began researching around 1998, I had to do some sleuthing to just track down family in Dubuque and elsewhere on my father's WILLIAMS (Wilms, Willems) family who immigrated from Germany...and the SKEMP that my German born grandfather Joseph Henry WILLIAMS (Heinrich Joseph WILMS b 1883 Blankenheim, Germany) had married. I didn't even have the correct surname, thinking the line was WILHELM, so I can tell you I have had amazing good luck and wonderful help from some German researchers who helped reveal roots back to Hoogeloon, The Netherlands all the way back to 1500s. Also a found cousin in Bad Munstereifel, Germany, whom I also visited, had a wealth of history on his mother's RIQUIER line...(My paternal grandfather Heinrich Joseph Wilms had a RIQUIER grandmother) which was brand new data shared with me by the German researchers in the Eifel region of the Nordheim Westfalen. It is a long, long story that I won't elaborate on further, but is another example of my great, good fortune in researching...that and my stubborn persistence, lol. I love the research. Now, you have helped with a long mystery and my erroneous info. I think that at one time in one of my old versions of Family Tree Maker I had part of the info as to Charles' parents correct, but I recall losing some FTM data years ago when converting to a new FTM upgrade. That might be when I grabbed the wrong parents and went astray. Even though the Lorna Doone story is a mix of fictionalized history, there is that RIDD name, and no doubt why my cousin alluded to the Lorna Doone story. THANK you from the bottom to top of my heart. I shall carefully study what you found and work to correct my tree. Hugs and some big kisses sent via the net from North Carolina in the USA! I am now 76 years old and still travel with my 75 year old husband. (I refuse to be 'old' yet, lol. We are still mobile and reasonably active...Devon and Cornwall are on my list to visit. Also Wales. Might do it next year ...the sooner, the better. We also would like to visit Halifax and nearby Stainland or Stanland, which we believe is in area of my husband's STANALAND roots prior to immigrating late 1600s to America...long roots here. Audrey Williams Stanaland Denver, North Carolina _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Paul Yes, thanks. I think that is the same site I use sometimes because it’s easier to use. If I find something I can then go to it from FMP.. where it’s included in the subscription. Jane > On 26 Oct 2019, at 12:39, Paul Hockie <[email protected]> wrote: > >  > A copy of every newspaper (and book) published in Britain is sent to the British Library. This includes Ireland up to 1923. The BL have been OCR scanning these for a number of years and are the source for FMP etc. Searching the OCR scans is free and there are some per image and week subscriptions to download images. > > Cheers > > Paul

I am glad I was able to help. At least it doesn't demolish a branch of your tree because they are all the same family, I have discovered errors in my own tree that have meant weeks of work and several generations have been swept away! I found the family on the 1861 census at 12 High Street, Bilston, Staffordshire. Findmypast have mistranscribed Robert's surname as Robert S Kemp so the family have the surname Kemp. Robert S Kemp Head 35 Hosier and lace man. North Tamerton, Cornwall, Elisa " Wife 39 Milliner Challacombe, Devon# William H Son 15 Assistant Bideford, Devon Charles W Son 13 Scholar Bideford, Devon Elisa C Dau 6 Scholar Bilston, Staffordshire Amy J Dau 5 " Robert Son 3 " Elizabeth H Dau 1 " Harriet C Lancey 20 Assistant Bratton Fleming, Devon Elizabeth Wootton 15 Apprentice Bloxwich, Staffordshire Jane Fisher 26 Servant Willlenhall, Staffordshire Elisa A King 15 Servant Bilston, Staffordshire I think Charles's father, William, may be on the 1841 census at Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. I am not completely sure but this is the entry and some of the other names do fit with William Scant and Susan Widlake's children and the older boys are masons. Ages were rounded down on the 1841 census which is why siblings appear with the same age and they are all born out of county. Lamington Place, Cheltenham Thomas Skemp 20 Mason William Skemp 20 " Samuel Skemp 12 Maria Skemp 20 William Skemp and Susanna Wedlock (Wedlake?) baptised a son Samuel 2nd Aug 1829 at Mint Street Methodist, Exeter, Devon I think Thomas Skemp appears on the 1851 census in Staffordshire, born 1819 Plymstock, Devon, Minister of the Baptist chapel. He has a son Charles W. Skemp and another William W Skemp and there is a probate entry on FamilySearch for Thomas Skemp 3 May 1875 Gloucester, beneficiaries William Widlake Skemp and Charles Widlake Skemp. There is a baptism at Plymstock 1818 for Thomas Scamp, son of William Scamp and Susanna, father's occupation mason. Maria may be Thomas's wife. Joy ------ Original Message ------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 26 Oct, 2019 At 04:27 Subject: [DEV] Re: Ridd and Skemp Joy, If I could hug you, I definitely would do it! You do live up to your name JOY, lol. Yes, I have been long confused by 2 men named Charles Widlake Skemp...actually there is a 3rd one that went to and stayed in New York. YES, my family did immigrate prior to 1871 as you mentioned in the previous reply...they went to Illinois...then later into Dubuque, Iowa. Some went into Minnesota and Wisconsin. When I connected with some SKEMP kin on the line of Paschal Widlake Skemp, they shared his memoirs ...which did confuse me a bit, and I think my confusion was, in part, due to having the wrong Charles Widlake Skemp...and the wrong father. At some time in the past, I must have seen the William SCAMP info ..."son of William and Susan, father mason" ...which is the trade my SKEMPs brought with them. My great grandfather Charles Widlake Skemp was a mason..a contractor and brick layer in Dubuque. Further to that, the fact that you found a RIDD connection now makes perfect sense. It was a found cousin, Linda Skemp Heyer, (2nd cousin) in Dubuque Iowa that had told me about the RIDD link possibility. I visited Linda in Dubuque in about 2005, but have in the past few years lost touch with Linda due to her moving to a new residence. Because my family left Iowa when I was about 3 years old, moving to Indiana and then down to Texas in 1949, I grew up seldom seeing my Iowa cousins, so when I began researching around 1998, I had to do some sleuthing to just track down family in Dubuque and elsewhere on my father's WILLIAMS (Wilms, Willems) family who immigrated from Germany...and the SKEMP that my German born grandfather Joseph Henry WILLIAMS (Heinrich Joseph WILMS b 1883 Blankenheim, Germany) had married. I didn't even have the correct surname, thinking the line was WILHELM, so I can tell you I have had amazing good luck and wonderful help from some German researchers who helped reveal roots back to Hoogeloon, The Netherlands all the way back to 1500s. Also a found cousin in Bad Munstereifel, Germany, whom I also visited, had a wealth of history on his mother's RIQUIER line...(My paternal grandfather Heinrich Joseph Wilms had a RIQUIER grandmother) which was brand new data shared with me by the German researchers in the Eifel region of the Nordheim Westfalen. It is a long, long story that I won't elaborate on further, but is another example of my great, good fortune in researching...that and my stubborn persistence, lol. I love the research. Now, you have helped with a long mystery and my erroneous info. I think that at one time in one of my old versions of Family Tree Maker I had part of the info as to Charles' parents correct, but I recall losing some FTM data years ago when converting to a new FTM upgrade. That might be when I grabbed the wrong parents and went astray. Even though the Lorna Doone story is a mix of fictionalized history, there is that RIDD name, and no doubt why my cousin alluded to the Lorna Doone story. THANK you from the bottom to top of my heart. I shall carefully study what you found and work to correct my tree. Hugs and some big kisses sent via the net from North Carolina in the USA! I am now 76 years old and still travel with my 75 year old husband. (I refuse to be 'old' yet, lol. We are still mobile and reasonably active...Devon and Cornwall are on my list to visit. Also Wales. Might do it next year ...the sooner, the better. We also would like to visit Halifax and nearby Stainland or Stanland, which we believe is in area of my husband's STANALAND roots prior to immigrating late 1600s to America...long roots here. Audrey Williams Stanaland Denver, North Carolina

A copy of every newspaper (and book) published in Britain is sent to the British Library. This includes Ireland up to 1923. The BL have been OCR scanning these for a number of years and are the source for FMP etc. Searching the OCR scans is free and there are some per image and week subscriptions to download images. Cheers Paul Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:33:21 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: Jane Lucas <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: US & Canada sources for records for Devon research (was Re: Re: FTM 2109) Thanks Jan.. that’s helpful. I do prefer FMP for newspapers, because the Ancestry hints are frequently more like wild guesses. But I always look. I do think BNA is slightly better interface but that would be yet another subscription. Thanks too Terry. Yes, I’ve been a Devon FHS member for several years. It is an excellent site and as Jan said is really a must for Devon research. Sorry .. the editing here is a bit weird. My latest software update has different email server settings which I can’t change. Now when I reply to the list I have to be careful otherwise the reply goes to an individual and not the list.. I can only choose the list if I reply to the last post, but then none of the previous thread is included. Progress! Jane On 25 Oct 2019, at 23:37, Jan Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's not unlike the situation with the British > Newspaper Archive vs. FMP where some greatly prefer the BNA's search > features over the FMP interface. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for that Bill.. that clarifies the TreeVault issue. For some reason it wasn't clear to me how it works.. but I haven’t used the new software yet. I had some questions I sent to the support team I wanted answering first. Jane > On 26 Oct 2019, at 01:26, Bill Full <[email protected]> wrote: > > You have to create an account on TreeVault first - it's not automatic. If you do not feel comfortable with your tree saved in the cloud, don't install the app. > 4. Finally, after you purchase FTM you do not have to pay for any further subscriptions if you don't want them. Totally your decision.

Thanks Jan.. that’s helpful. I do prefer FMP for newspapers, because the Ancestry hints are frequently more like wild guesses. But I always look. I do think BNA is slightly better interface but that would be yet another subscription. Thanks too Terry. Yes, I’ve been a Devon FHS member for several years. It is an excellent site and as Jan said is really a must for Devon research. Sorry .. the editing here is a bit weird. My latest software update has different email server settings which I can’t change. Now when I reply to the list I have to be careful otherwise the reply goes to an individual and not the list.. I can only choose the list if I reply to the last post, but then none of the previous thread is included. Progress! Jane On 25 Oct 2019, at 23:37, Jan Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's not unlike the situation with the British > Newspaper Archive vs. FMP where some greatly prefer the BNA's search > features over the FMP interface.

Joy, If I could hug you, I definitely would do it! You do live up to your name JOY, lol. Yes, I have been long confused by 2 men named Charles Widlake Skemp...actually there is a 3rd one that went to and stayed in New York. YES, my family did immigrate prior to 1871 as you mentioned in the previous reply...they went to Illinois...then later into Dubuque, Iowa. Some went into Minnesota and Wisconsin. When I connected with some SKEMP kin on the line of Paschal Widlake Skemp, they shared his memoirs ...which did confuse me a bit, and I think my confusion was, in part, due to having the wrong Charles Widlake Skemp...and the wrong father. At some time in the past, I must have seen the William SCAMP info ..."son of William and Susan, father mason" ...which is the trade my SKEMPs brought with them. My great grandfather Charles Widlake Skemp was a mason..a contractor and brick layer in Dubuque. Further to that, the fact that you found a RIDD connection now makes perfect sense. It was a found cousin, Linda Skemp Heyer, (2nd cousin) in Dubuque Iowa that had told me about the RIDD link possibility. I visited Linda in Dubuque in about 2005, but have in the past few years lost touch with Linda due to her moving to a new residence. Because my family left Iowa when I was about 3 years old, moving to Indiana and then down to Texas in 1949, I grew up seldom seeing my Iowa cousins, so when I began researching around 1998, I had to do some sleuthing to just track down family in Dubuque and elsewhere on my father's WILLIAMS (Wilms, Willems) family who immigrated from Germany...and the SKEMP that my German born grandfather Joseph Henry WILLIAMS (Heinrich Joseph WILMS b 1883 Blankenheim, Germany) had married. I didn't even have the correct surname, thinking the line was WILHELM, so I can tell you I have had amazing good luck and wonderful help from some German researchers who helped reveal roots back to Hoogeloon, The Netherlands all the way back to 1500s. Also a found cousin in Bad Munstereifel, Germany, whom I also visited, had a wealth of history on his mother's RIQUIER line...(My paternal grandfather Heinrich Joseph Wilms had a RIQUIER grandmother) which was brand new data shared with me by the German researchers in the Eifel region of the Nordheim Westfalen. It is a long, long story that I won't elaborate on further, but is another example of my great, good fortune in researching...that and my stubborn persistence, lol. I love the research. Now, you have helped with a long mystery and my erroneous info. I think that at one time in one of my old versions of Family Tree Maker I had part of the info as to Charles' parents correct, but I recall losing some FTM data years ago when converting to a new FTM upgrade. That might be when I grabbed the wrong parents and went astray. Even though the Lorna Doone story is a mix of fictionalized history, there is that RIDD name, and no doubt why my cousin alluded to the Lorna Doone story. THANK you from the bottom to top of my heart. I shall carefully study what you found and work to correct my tree. Hugs and some big kisses sent via the net from North Carolina in the USA! I am now 76 years old and still travel with my 75 year old husband. (I refuse to be 'old' yet, lol. We are still mobile and reasonably active...Devon and Cornwall are on my list to visit. Also Wales. Might do it next year ...the sooner, the better. We also would like to visit Halifax and nearby Stainland or Stanland, which we believe is in area of my husband's STANALAND roots prior to immigrating late 1600s to America...long roots here. Audrey Williams Stanaland Denver, North Carolina -----Original Message----- From: joy.langdon--- via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 7:48 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Ridd and Skemp Hi, further to my previous email, I have found Robert Scamp/Skemp's baptism at North Tamerton, Cornwall 15 May 1825, parents William and Susan, father's occupation mason. There is also a baptism at Stratton, Cornwall 11 Feb 1821 William Scamp son of William and Susan, father mason. https://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=9 69142 William and Susan also baptised a son Charles Woodlake Scamp 8 Dec 1822 at Stratton so I think your William and Susan Widlake are correct but via their son William, not John. The Cornish connection seems to be that they were born there but their ancestry lay in Devon. It looks as though Eliza RIDD married William and after his death married his brother Robert. On the 1861 census her birthplace is Challacombe, Devon and there is a baptism at Challacombe 6 Aug 1820 Eliza RIDD daughter of Philip and Emmy. Philip RIDD married Emey BEER 24 May 1809 at High Bray. Joy _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I've been using FTM program for over 20 years with all its pluses and warts over that time. Just a few comments as there seems to be some misconceptions about FTM 2019. 1. You may link your tree to Ancestry (subscription) and Family Search (free) for hints if you wish but not required. 2. You can sync your FTM tree with Ancestry.com if you wish but not required. (I don't currently but have in the past. These linked trees may be Public or Private - your choice. There have been a lot of problems with syncing in the past.) 3. You may backup your data only to your pc if you wish. You do not have to back-up to the cloud but FTM has offered a new app with FTM 2019 called TreeVault. (It's optional but free for 1st year, then about $2.00/Mo for following years). I tried it. What is nice is that you can view your tree on an iPhone, iPad or other devices. Very nice if you don't have your computer with you. Also gives you a data backup in the event of a data crash or other catastrophe. I believe it syncs when you exit FTM. Again, the choice is yours. You have to create an account on TreeVault first - it's not automatic. If you do not feel comfortable with your tree saved in the cloud, don't install the app. 4. Finally, after you purchase FTM you do not have to pay for any further subscriptions if you don't want them. Totally your decision. Hope that helps a bit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Appleby [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:01 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: FTM 2109 I really don't see the point of having a genealogy program that you can't control. With FTM (it seems to me) you have to link it to Ancestry and now, it also appears, you will have to pay for back ups. I'll stick with TMG and Roots Magic so I backup to my PC (or in my case my personal cloud) and won’t have to rely on paying a subscription to keep my tree "alive". Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 25 October 2019 15:43 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] FTM 2109 I knew it!! Just read a review in the WDYTYA E.magazine about the new FTM recently available. Here’s a clip.. and the last sentence here makes me wonder if long term Ancestry will make syncing difficult unless you subscribe to Tree Vault services. I’m suspicious because it is the way other services I use are going. Increasingly being asked to pay for a service that was included in the original software.. particularly where synching services are involved. Very annoying. 'The headline new feature is TreeVault, MacKiev’s proprietary online backup tool. It costs £20 a year, but the first 12 months is included with your FTM purchase. While you can still sync your tree with Ancestry and FamilySearch, TreeVault is optimised for FTM data' Jane _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, further to my previous email, I have found Robert Scamp/Skemp's baptism at North Tamerton, Cornwall 15 May 1825, parents William and Susan, father's occupation mason. There is also a baptism at Stratton, Cornwall 11 Feb 1821 William Scamp son of William and Susan, father mason. https://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=969142 William and Susan also baptised a son Charles Woodlake Scamp 8 Dec 1822 at Stratton so I think your William and Susan Widlake are correct but via their son William, not John. The Cornish connection seems to be that they were born there but their ancestry lay in Devon. It looks as though Eliza RIDD married William and after his death married his brother Robert. On the 1861 census her birthplace is Challacombe, Devon and there is a baptism at Challacombe 6 Aug 1820 Eliza RIDD daughter of Philip and Emmy. Philip RIDD married Emey BEER 24 May 1809 at High Bray. Joy

I think you will have difficulty tracing any connection to the Ridd family from Lorna Doone, Audrey, because it is a novel based on a mixture of facts and legends and there is no contemporaty evidence that Lorna or John Ridd actually existed. The author R. D. Blackmore used a local name for the hero so your ancestor might be related to the local family whose name Blackmore used rather than the fictional John Ridd. R. D. Blackmore heard local legends about the Doones on Exmoor and used some real people (the highwayman Tom Faggus for instance) and events such as the Monmouth Rebellion to create his novel. It is thought he may have been inspired by a tale from neighbouring Dartmoor about Mary Whiddon who is supposed to have been shot in 1641 on her wedding day by a jealous rival, Mary Whiddon is buried in Chagford. Here is a puzzle for you, though. I did find a RIDD connection to a SKEMP and I am wondering if you have identified the correct Charles Widlake SKEMP. There is a Charles Widlake Skemp born in 1847 in North Devon. I looked on the GRO website for birth registrations and the Charles Widlake SKEMP born 1847 has the mother's surname RIDD. This Charles Widlake SKEMP was born 11 Sep 1847 and baptised Bideford Wesleyan Circuit 10 Oct 1847. His parents were William and Eliza. In 1851 he is in Shoreditch, London, his mother Eliza is a widow aged 29. a milliner, born Bratton, Devon. Also in the household is William Henry SKEMP born 1845 Bideford. The Charles Widlake SCAMP son of John and Harriet BENNETT was born in Dorset (birth registered Dorchester district 1848, mother's surname BENNETT on the GRO website). The use of the surname WIDLAKE suggests that John and William may have been brothers but I can't see a baptism. In 1841 there is an Eliza RIDD aged 20 in the household of Pascal WIDLAKE aged 35 at Barnstaple, Devon. There is a marriage registration 1844 Barnstaple registration district for Eliza RIDD and William SCAMP. The plot thickens even more. There is a marriage 1853 Shoreditch registration district for Eliza Skemp and Robert Scamp. In 1871 Robert Skemp and Eliza are in Staffordshire. I know this is Eliza RIDD because I checked one of their children's birth registrations on GRO and mother's surname is RIDD. Robert SKEMP is a hosier and lace dealer and local Baptist preacher and he was born in Noth Tamerton, Cornwall (is this the Cornwall connection?). Charles and his brother William are not with them, had they emigrated before 1871? You may have to obtain the marriage certificate to identify the fathers of William Scamp and Eliza Ridd. Sorry, that hasn't helped but caused more puzzles. Joy ------ Original Message ------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: "'Jane Lucas'" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 20 Oct, 2019 At 19:55 Subject: [DEV] Re: Glossary of Cornish Names Thanks Jane, for sharing this CORNISH NAMES link. I noted some names (Pullin / Pullen are in my maternal line and I see Cornish spellings that are likely,)... ** but it is the WIDLAKE name of interest in this query. I am always looking for more confirmation that my paternal line great grandfather's WIDLAKEs were originally from Cornwall. My great grandfather was Charles WIDLAKE SKEMP (sometimes S'kemp or Scamp) when he immigrated with his parents from Devon (lived in Barnstaple) about 1870. So far, I am only finding Devon locations for Skemps and for the WIDLAKE family. More background follows.... The SKEMPs were (many were) stonemasons. Charles Widlake Skemp after settling in Dubuque, Iowa married Laura Catherine CAIN and he was in the building trade. He and his son, Frank, and family were brickmasons who built many of the historical buildings in Dubuque, Iowa. (in library, bios on the family). My father's mother was Ivy Laura SKEMP, a daughter of Laura CAIN and Charles WIDLAKE SKEMP. Ivy Laura married Heinrich Joseph WILMS (Joseph Henry WILLIAMS) b 1883 Blankenheim, Germany who immigrated with his WILMS parents May 1, 1883 from Hamburg via Le Havre to NYork on the SS Gellert and went to Glen Haven, Grant County Wisconsin, but in 1898 crossed the Mississippi River into Iowa. Those WILMS are my gr grandparents and their son Joseph Henry Williams is my paternal grandfather who married Ivy Laura SKEMP, my gr grandmother. My father was their son Arthur Joseph WILLIAMS b 1914 Dubuque. ***WIDLAKE ...I have 3 in my tree with the name, Charles WIDLAKE SKEMP. My great grandfather Charles got his WIDLAKE middle name from his grandmother, Susan WIDLAKE born 1791 His parents were John Harold SKEMP b 1814 Barum Braunton, North Devon and wife Harriet BENNETT b abt 1814 Barnstaple first went (are found) 1870 in Cook County Illinois (think Chicago) but then went into Dubuque, Iowa. John Harold SKEMP's mother was ***Susan WIDLAKE who married William Pascal SKEMP. I'm showing that Susan WIDLAKE was born 1791-1797 in Barnstaple and died there 1837. Her parents are shown as Grace MUMFORD and Thomas WIDLAKE b 1760 Heanton Puncharden, Barnstaple, Devon and died 1836 Braunton, Devon England. I am showing Thomas' parents as Mary RUMSON and Pasker / Paschal WIDLAKE b 1732 Charles, Devon England, died in Heanton Puncharden, Barnstaple, Devon. **To continue...Pasker / Paschal WIDLAKE was born to Mary COURTNAY and Edward WIDLAKE (WEDLAKE) b 1707, North Molton, Devon England. Just found marriage 1829 that Edward was married in Highbray, Devon where both were living. Just found burial record...he was baptized Sept 7, 1707 in Charles and was buried as a widower on March 20, 1792. HighBray, Devon, England. Edward may be the same man, shown as a **son of John (new info to me) served as an apprentice, per Ancestry's archives, as follows: Sept 5, 1743 Payment Date Master Richd HODGE, of South Molton, barber ? Apprentice Edwd WEDLAKE, son of John Residence: South Molton ** this above Apprentice info showing Edward as a son of John (WIDLAKE / WEDLAKE) is new info I would like to confirm. Who is John, born maybe circa 1685 as a father to Edward in 1707, and who did this John marry? Was John WIDLAKE also born in Devon or was he the ancestor (per family memoires in USA by Paschal Widlake Skemp) from Cornwall? Family lore also says we are connected to the RIDD family of the Lorna Doone stories. Sure would be nice to find some proof. Thanks for any help available as to origins of my WIDLAKEs... 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AncestryUS offers three levels: U.S. Discovery, World Explorer, and the confusingly-named bundle "All-Access", which includes Ancestry's World records, fold3, AncestryAcademy (instructional videos), and a subset of the papers on Newspapers.com (referred to as a "Basic" subscription). To get access to recent newspapers (and 'recent' can mean anything still in copyright -- it depends on the agreement with each individual newspaper), there is an add-on subscription to Newspapers.com's Basic subscription called "Publisher Extra". I don't know have any internal information about this, but as far as I can tell, both findmypast and Ancestry/Newspapers.com get their US newspapers from a third-party company called NewspaperArchive. I seem to recall some of the images I viewed at FMP as having the NewspaperArchive notice at the bottom of the images. There are some newspapers on AncestryUS, added there before Ancestry started Newspapers.com. After that time, Newspapers.com became the home for any new images Ancestry acquired rights to, but just as the old non-military content was left in place on fold3 so subscribers would continue having access to it, the images already on Ancestry stayed there. So if you have access to the US newspapers at FMP, you'll often be viewing the same newspaper titles that you can find on Ancestry and Newspapers.com. Search engines being what they are, however, I find that if I want to be exhaustive, I have to search all three sites to make sure I've seen everything, and there may be issues at NewspaperArchive which FMP and Ancestry don't have. It's not unlike the situation with the British Newspaper Archive vs. FMP where some greatly prefer the BNA's search features over the FMP interface. If you do get a hint from the Newspaper.com index on Ancestry, try searching for the article in the US newspapers at FMP and see if you can find it there. Apologies for all the typos in my previous post, some of which slipped by the spell checker. The worst is where I mean to say NARA records begin with RG for record group (not being). Jan Murphy [email protected] Moderator Pro Tempore genealogy.stackexchange.com On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 3:02 PM Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh yes.. well done Jan for including this.. Devon FHS is a very good site > as well as having a research centre in Exeter. > > I did try Fold3 on a trial basis but didn’t find anything came up for me > at that time. Also, I’m not sure if this is the same as US, but here in the > UK there are three levels of subscription now for Ancestry. I took out a > World sub last year thinking it would be all Ancestry records. But no, > Newspapers.com and Fold3 is not included. The All Access subscription is > £224.99, so £45 more than the World subscription. I’m not sure how much of > their newspaper archive is available within the World sub, but I never find > anything being offered during a search And I tend to go to FMP. So for me > the extra isn’t good value, though I take your point. Never assume. I look > everywhere I can now if someone suddenly goes missing. > > That information about NARA and LAC is helpful thanks. It’s always tricky > knowing where to start looking in a new place, even in this country, never > mind a different continent. > > I‘ve done some research in both the US and Canada but mostly found what I > needed with the Ancestry World subscription together with specialist sites > in both countries. From that point of view the internet is amazing. I ask > it a question and up pops all sorts of organisations I didn’t know existed > until that moment. > > Obviously it depends on the background of the individual you’re > researching. I do have a ‘go to’ list, but when that doesn’t work and I > need to think outside the box, remembering these discussions on the list is > really helpful. So though it isn’t really Devon related it is still useful > I hope. > > Jane. > > >

Did you know that Devon FHS' website has an exclusive members' area. The surname search has over 1 and a half MILLION entries. There are exclusive images of the Parish registers for 50 Devon Parishes and loads of other goodies. www.devonfhs.org.uk Terry On 25/10/2019 23:00, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: > Oh yes.. well done Jan for including this.. Devon FHS is a very good site as well as having a research centre in Exeter. > > I did try Fold3 on a trial basis but didn’t find anything came up for me at that time. Also, I’m not sure if this is the same as US, but here in the UK there are three levels of subscription now for Ancestry. I took out a World sub last year thinking it would be all Ancestry records. But no, Newspapers.com and Fold3 is not included. The All Access subscription is £224.99, so £45 more than the World subscription. I’m not sure how much of their newspaper archive is available within the World sub, but I never find anything being offered during a search And I tend to go to FMP. So for me the extra isn’t good value, though I take your point. Never assume. I look everywhere I can now if someone suddenly goes missing. > > That information about NARA and LAC is helpful thanks. It’s always tricky knowing where to start looking in a new place, even in this country, never mind a different continent. > > I‘ve done some research in both the US and Canada but mostly found what I needed with the Ancestry World subscription together with specialist sites in both countries. From that point of view the internet is amazing. I ask it a question and up pops all sorts of organisations I didn’t know existed until that moment. > > Obviously it depends on the background of the individual you’re researching. I do have a ‘go to’ list, but when that doesn’t work and I need to think outside the box, remembering these discussions on the list is really helpful. So though it isn’t really Devon related it is still useful I hope. > > Jane. > > > >> On 25 Oct 2019, at 21:08, Jan Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Jane Lucas wrote: >> >> Yes, Ancestry is excellent in lots of ways. Think the Fold3 and Newspaper >>> stuff is more useful for you in the States though. FMP is better for us for >>> Britain. >> >> If you have research in Devon, a DevonFHS membership and a subscription to >> findmypast are essential. >> >> Fold3 was originally Footnote.com, a site intended for giving access to >> records from the US National Archives (NARA). > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- Chairman - Devon Family History Society Registered Charity No. 282490 Mayflower International Genealogical Conference 2020 <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/mayflower_conference.pdf> Web site: http://www.devonfhs.org.uk <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> Email address: [email protected] Join from just £12 a year

Oh yes.. well done Jan for including this.. Devon FHS is a very good site as well as having a research centre in Exeter. I did try Fold3 on a trial basis but didn’t find anything came up for me at that time. Also, I’m not sure if this is the same as US, but here in the UK there are three levels of subscription now for Ancestry. I took out a World sub last year thinking it would be all Ancestry records. But no, Newspapers.com and Fold3 is not included. The All Access subscription is £224.99, so £45 more than the World subscription. I’m not sure how much of their newspaper archive is available within the World sub, but I never find anything being offered during a search And I tend to go to FMP. So for me the extra isn’t good value, though I take your point. Never assume. I look everywhere I can now if someone suddenly goes missing. That information about NARA and LAC is helpful thanks. It’s always tricky knowing where to start looking in a new place, even in this country, never mind a different continent. I‘ve done some research in both the US and Canada but mostly found what I needed with the Ancestry World subscription together with specialist sites in both countries. From that point of view the internet is amazing. I ask it a question and up pops all sorts of organisations I didn’t know existed until that moment. Obviously it depends on the background of the individual you’re researching. I do have a ‘go to’ list, but when that doesn’t work and I need to think outside the box, remembering these discussions on the list is really helpful. So though it isn’t really Devon related it is still useful I hope. Jane. > On 25 Oct 2019, at 21:08, Jan Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jane Lucas wrote: > > Yes, Ancestry is excellent in lots of ways. Think the Fold3 and Newspaper >> stuff is more useful for you in the States though. FMP is better for us for >> Britain. > > > If you have research in Devon, a DevonFHS membership and a subscription to > findmypast are essential. > > Fold3 was originally Footnote.com, a site intended for giving access to > records from the US National Archives (NARA).

Jane Lucas wrote: Yes, Ancestry is excellent in lots of ways. Think the Fold3 and Newspaper > stuff is more useful for you in the States though. FMP is better for us for > Britain. If you have research in Devon, a DevonFHS membership and a subscription to findmypast are essential. Fold3 was originally Footnote.com, a site intended for giving access to records from the US National Archives (NARA). Ancestry purchased it and re-purposed it as a specialty site for military records. Some of AncestryUK's military records are published there as well as the US ones. I haven't done a side by side comparison of FMP's A-Z list with the holdings at Fold3, so I don't have a good summary of how much fold3 has that FMP doesn't. Ancestry has just introduced a new beta database which is an index to 'obituaries' (mostly obituaries and funeral notices) from Newspapers.com. Newspapers.com does have some 'World' papers. The bulk of the collection is in Canada -- selecting 'England' shows 107 papers with a total of 4,490,809 pages in 107 papers. However, if you have people from Devon who went to other countries, you might get a 'lucky dip' in the US papers. Last week, Ancestry offered me a hint via the new beta database which revealed that one of the families connected to mine by marriage had family members from Marlborough who ended up in Wisconsin. I've found similar bits of news from across the Atlantic in the British Newspaper Archive, with family notices about births in the US in the hometown papers back in England. So while Jane is correct about FMP being far more useful for the bulk of your research in Devon, if you're doing a One-Name Study or a One-Place Study, or you have people who suddenly go missing whom you can't find, it can be worthwhile to check Newspapers.com and fold3 from time to time. Here in the US, the Family History Library in Salt Lake City has access to many paid services, including FMP and The Genealogist -- i don't know if the FHCs in England offer access to fold3 and Newspapers.com but if you have a center handy, why not ask? If you have Devon people who went to Canada, check Library and Archives Canada (LAC), especially for military research. Some of their WWI records are free to search and view, and I've found people from my Devon study places there. The US National Archives (NARA) has a program where researchers who pull records can scan them in the Innovation Hub; those scans are put online for everyone to view for free. Records are attached to their entry in NARA's catalog. As well as searching via the catalog, NARA has just introduced their new Record Group Explorer. (Instead of designations like WO and ADM as you'd find at TNA, NARA assigns records to record groups plus a number so all of their designations being with RG for record group.) https://narations.blogs.archives.gov/2019/10/02/naras-record-group-explorer-a-new-path-into-naras-holdings/ Like people, records do move about, but the story of how I stumbled upon records from a Russian embassy which was located in Canada in the holdings at NARA is off-topic for this group. My rule is: don't assume, always look. Jan Murphy [email protected] Moderator Pro Tempore genealogy.stackexchange.com On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:02 AM Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Audrey > Thanks for that. Yes, Ancestry is excellent in lots of ways. Think the > Fold3 and Newspaper stuff is more useful for you in the States though. FMP > is better for us for Britain. > > I do have several Trees but maintaining a public tree and a private one > both in Ancestry isn’t practical .. so they’re all private and I share > information if I can help as they are still visible in the Index. > > I thin to change your email you need to contact the list administrator. > > Apologies to all as I know the topic here is not strictly list related. > > Jane > >

Hi Audrey Thanks for that. Yes, Ancestry is excellent in lots of ways. Think the Fold3 and Newspaper stuff is more useful for you in the States though. FMP is better for us for Britain. I do have several Trees but maintaining a public tree and a private one both in Ancestry isn’t practical .. so they’re all private and I share information if I can help as they are still visible in the Index. I thin to change your email you need to contact the list administrator. Apologies to all as I know the topic here is not strictly list related. Jane > On 25 Oct 2019, at 18:40, "[email protected]" <[email protected] wrote: > > By the way...I need to change (and can't seem to find a way to do it for this site) my email from the chartertn address to [email protected] I can no longer send using the old Charter address. > > Re ANCESTRY.com > I do use Ancestry. While the trees people build are a source of info, I agree they are not reliable and not the same as a real record image..or the transcription of a record. However, do realize that Ancestry has tremendous Archives and REAL images of census, marriage records, land, tax, etc. just like any courthouse or library. For the price of the annual premium, I can stay out of our car, not have to go on the road traveling enormous distances, taking a motel room and dining out.

Didn’t you say you had FTM 2019? That comes with TreeVault. I haven’t consciously installed it. I just thought it was included without choice. And I hadn’t thought about them ‘keeping’ my data for their own use. Totally agree about use of research. I’ll willingly pass on anything that helps someone but for goodness sake, ask before you spread my research around. Don’t think my ‘leaked’ data case was as bad as yours.. I’d have been livid. But privacy is a growing concern for all of us. Most of the stuff in my tree is about people long dead, but certainly not all of it. I don’t like having to be suspicious of people. Having an Eeyore moment. Jane > On 25 Oct 2019, at 18:30, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Since I've not installed the Tree Vault, nor ever used Ancestory, it can't be running in my computer's back ground.

By the way...I need to change (and can't seem to find a way to do it for this site) my email from the chartertn address to [email protected] I can no longer send using the old Charter address. Re ANCESTRY.com I do use Ancestry. While the trees people build are a source of info, I agree they are not reliable and not the same as a real record image..or the transcription of a record. However, do realize that Ancestry has tremendous Archives and REAL images of census, marriage records, land, tax, etc. just like any courthouse or library. For the price of the annual premium, I can stay out of our car, not have to go on the road traveling enormous distances, taking a motel room and dining out. In addition, for a discount, I've added on Newspapers.com ...which can be subscribed to by itself, and which has growing archives of indexed newspapers that have proven to be valuable source of information...re REAL newspaper images (indexed and searchable) published articles, probate that is published when heirs are being sought, even the Classifieds. And there is Fold 3 for military records...real images of military records for various wars. It is a discounted add on to Ancestry if you are subscribed, or Fold 3 can be subscribed to by itself. The card catalog of Ancestry's archives keeps adding and building, so do give it considerations. Do a Private tree if you don't want to share (you can do as many trees as you wish, sharing only a tree with the Public when you feel comfortable that you've verified with documents....and keep a 'working' tree private. For preserving my tree / trees, I have Family Tree Maker (just got upgraded to the new version) and have used them since I began researching in 1998 or 99...upgrading over the years. Good luck researching! Audrey in North Carolina, USA -----Original Message----- From: blackmore terry via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 12:56 PM To: [email protected]; Ruth Appleby <[email protected]> Cc: Jane Lucas <[email protected]>; blackmore terry <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: FTM 2109 I have FTM 2019 and I don't ever use Ancestory, nor have I installed the Tree Vault as it a free way of obtaining people's research for free if the subscription isn't taken up after the first free year. I've never used Ancestory even when it's a free weekend. There is nothing like reading original documents (or photocopies) to obtain information. Despite having FTM 2014, 2017, and 2019 available I still use what I'm used to which is FTM 2005. > On 25 October 2019 at 16:01 Ruth Appleby <[email protected] mailto:[email protected] > wrote: > > > I really don't see the point of having a genealogy program that you can't control. With FTM (it seems to me) you have to link it to Ancestry and now, it also appears, you will have to pay for back ups. > I'll stick with TMG and Roots Magic so I backup to my PC (or in my case my personal cloud) and won’t have to rely on paying a subscription to keep my tree "alive". > > Ruth > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected] mailto:[email protected] ] > Sent: 25 October 2019 15:43 > To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > Cc: Jane Lucas > Subject: [DEV] FTM 2109 > > I knew it!! Just read a review in the WDYTYA E.magazine about the new FTM recently available. Here’s a clip.. and the last sentence here makes me wonder if long term Ancestry will make syncing difficult unless you subscribe to Tree Vault services. > > I’m suspicious because it is the way other services I use are going. Increasingly being asked to pay for a service that was included in the original software.. particularly where synching services are involved. Very annoying. > > > 'The headline new feature is TreeVault, MacKiev’s proprietary online backup tool. > > It costs £20 a year, but the first 12 months is included with your FTM purchase. > > While you can still sync your tree with Ancestry and FamilySearch, TreeVault is optimised for FTM data' > > > Jane > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > --------------------------------------------- > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community