It's not often that I will jump to the defence of the subscription websites, but in this case, I don't think they are entirely to blame and I don't think it is necessarily a quality standard issue. We all know how long it takes to transcribe a complete set of records accurately, so when they get a new set of Parish Register images in, they could wait until they have all been transcribed, in which case we have to wait a long time, or they could do what they often do - upload the images so that we can browse them, and follow up with the transcriptions, and index, as and when they become available. I don't think it's a bad thing that we sometimes need to browse Parish Registers - it does help to become acquainted with the Parish that you are researching. Sometimes things turn up that you simply wouldn't find by using an index and viewing the resultant record. For example, you may find years where the baptisms appear to be very sparse, then the name of the vicar changes and all of a sudden, lots of children are being baptised. If your ancestor is one of these, it would be wise not to assume that he or she has been baptised as an infant, but rather that an enthusiastic new vicar is putting pressure on the families to have any unbaptised children baptised! Now I will concede that these websites could do more to alert their customers to the presence of these un-indexed register images, but once you find out about them, why not use them to get to know the records, the parish and the families that you are researching. It can pay dividends in the long run. Best wishes Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON <[email protected]> Sent: 29 October 2019 18:22 To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP I have fond that over the last few years FMP, Ancestry and , sadly, FamilySearch seem to have dropped all quality standards in the rush to add records while switch their revenue stream to dubious DNA tests. Some of the problems include - up to six entries for the same event with one having an image attached - pdfs indexed by name only but with no name date or place listed in the results, requiring each to be opened - results with just blanks. I opened one of these and found it was a blank page. I have also found LDS film headers. - results with names and no other information, again requiring each one to be opened. I have also found that "variants", with the possible exception of FamilySearch Soundex, are getting more "flexible" with ticking the box to allow name variants adds thousands of improbable names to what was a manageable list. Same goes for "hints". I suspect that the pay sites are finding that many of the Family Historians who were inspired by Who Do You Think You Are have either given up or have slowly worked their way through what is already available and only need a subscription for new additions. These poor search results mean we are slowed down and need to continue our subscriptions longer than necessary. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 17:25 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Thanks Mike and Adrien.. at least I’m not going mad. I was secretly worried I was doing something completely dim. Yes.. I realised that an 1860 search (or thereabouts) produces no results, and results end c1813/1814. That’s why I was puzzled because there’s a whole register of stuff going up to 1915. So I suspected that there was no Index, but FMP don’t says that about those record sets in the ‘Browse’ category. But I also find sometimes that some Registers stop around the time civil registration began in 1837. I don’t know why the FMP ‘agent’ who responded to my question couldn’t tell me that. Well.. at least it gives me heart to plough through the Wembury area registers. I have several missing people there and Dartmouth. One or two is to be expected, but so many disappearances I think is suspect. I’ll try the ± 20 years option as well. As you say, if I can narrow down a year then it’s not too difficult to skip through a register. Thanks again Jane. > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:10, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials > at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from > 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. > > But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y > of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they > creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one > register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the > image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR > Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for > the first few pages. > > Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. > > But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that > there should be something there - doing a search for any name within > 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the > gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, > though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. > > NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath > the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for > an image on FMP. > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

The Skemps in LaCrosse, Wisconsin, are not only well-known - they have clinics named after them. Lora in WIS On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:07 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello cousin Liz! Very happy to meet you here, talking about my SKEMP line > that relates to my great grandfather, Charles Widlake SKEMP...one of > several bearing that name that came to America. > > There was quite a discussion this past week about the line, and I received > some wonderful help from two of the group. > > First, before we chat about the line and my branches that came to Illinois > and then to Dubuque, Iowa...and some on to Wisconsin and Minnesota, I note > that you think the line might have come out of France...and perhaps had > several ministers. I do know that one of the men named Charles that came to > Iowa was a minister. My gr grandfather was a mason /brick layer and > contractor. I have heard from another person that the SKEMPs in Wisconsin > have some known physicians. > > IF back in time they came out of France, perhaps they were among the > French Hugenots fleeing persecution. There is also this thought. My mother > told me more than once that my Great Aunt Hattie Mae SKEMP AGARD (Harriet > Mae SKEMP) said they had once been Van Skemps. So maybe came up the coast > from The Netherlands or Flanders. > > My father, born 1914 Dubuque, Iowa was a son of Heinrich Joseph WILMS > (Joseph Henry WILLIAMS) b Jan 1883 Blankenheim, ,Germany ...with a WILMS / > WILLEMS history out of Hoogeloon, The Netherlands prior to going mid to > late 1700s into Blankenheim, Germany in the Eifel region of the Nordheim > Westfalen, an area often known as Prussia when occupied by the French. My > great grandparents Johann Joseph WILMS and wife Anna Helena Magdalena PAULI > mar 1882 in Blankenheim and immigrated 1883 with their infant son (my > grandfather) and went to Glen Haven, Grant County Wisconsin where some of > their kin had gone earlier...(Pauly, Klinkhammer, Ludwig lines) but in > 1898, they moved across the Mississippi River into Guttenberg, Iowa where > John Joseph (Johann Joseph) continued his trade of painting frescoes in > Gothic style Catholic churches, and gilding..including the crosses atop the > church spires. > > Their son Joseph Henry WILMS / WILLIAMS married 1913 to Ivy Laura SKEMP, a > daughter of Laura Catherine CAIN and Charles Widlake SKEMP. There is more > info in the list postings from Jane Lucas. If you can't find it, I will > contact you and share. > > Audrey Williams Stanaland > Denver, North Carolina 28037 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Liz Youle via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Liz Youle <[email protected]> > Subject: [DEV] SKEMP > > While I was away with no internet access and only occasional email, I > noticed a lot of emails about SKEMPs. I knew I had SKEMPs but at the time > I wasn't sure where they were from. I had a feeling they came from France. > Some of them were Reverand gentlemen and I knew vicars moved around a lot, > I had to wait until I could get a signal to check everything. > > Thomas SKEMP was born c.1818 in Barum Braunton, Plymstock and died 16 Dec > 1874 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. He was a Mercer and Baptist Minister. > > His parents were William Pascal SKEMP c.1792 who married Sarah WIDLAKE. > > The reason I've researched them is that I was at school with the 3xg > granddaughter of William and Sarah, and she married one of my > granddaughter's cousins! Yes, it is a very small world. Even smaller is > that one of our other school friend's 2nd husband is my 5th cousin. We were > at a boarding school, they were clergy daughters and my parents lived in > Iraq so finding us all related, by marriage, has been amazing. Before I > found out all about the two husbands, they were already great friends. > > Liz > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb > is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Jane You may find something on the SEARLE family in the Searle Papers at Dartmouth Archives http://www.dartmouth-history.org.uk/dartmouth/main.asp# Go to Search Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jane Lucas via DEVON" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 1:34 AM To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Jane Lucas" <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Name search on FMP > Hi All > > This question relates to using the various search functions on FMP, but > particularly a name search. And many apologies if I have overlooked some > blindingly obvious answer… I’m good at that. > > I’ve been looking for a burial for Ann/e Searle of Staverton, Devon for > some time (years in fact.) I have her well documented until after the > Census of 1861 when she disappears. As she was 84 at this point I assumed > she died. But I couldn’t find a burial. I have an 1862 Civil Reg. record > for Totnes reg. district from GRO for Anne Searle age 85. So I am pretty > sure this is her and that she must be buried in Staverton or nearby. But > an exhaustive search never returned anything. > > Then one day recently I decided to scroll through the burial register > using this record set on FMP. There are 167 records in this set and you > can’t search by name. (Found here - ’Search A-Z>Devon>Parish Register > Browse>Staverton St. Paul. This returns 11 results including the one shown > below, i.e. the whole Burial Register for burials within that date range) > > > Staverton, St Paul Burials 1813-1915 872A/PR/1/15 > > > And there she is, Anne Searle of Staverton buried 29 Apr 1862 aged 85, > Staverton St. Paul. It is on p107. Brilliant, I was very pleased to find > her. >

It’s also worth mentioning a couple of other websites. 1. South Hams Parish Records: http://our4bears.net/parishes/parishes_intro.htm with transcriptions and lookups covering: Ashprington, Aveton Gifford, Berry Pomeroy, Bigbury, Blackawton, Buckfastleigh, Buckland Tout Saints, Charleton, Chivelstone, Churchstow, Cornwood, Cornworthy, Dartington, Dartmouth, Dean Prior, Diptford, Dittisham, Dodbrooke, East Allington, East Portlemouth, Ermington, Halwell, Harberton, Harford, Holbeton, Holne, Kingsbridge, Kingston, Loddiswell, Malborough, Modbury, Moreleigh, North Huish, Rattery, Ringmore, Salcombe, Sherford, Slapton, South Brent, South Huish, South Milton, South Pool, Staverton, Stoke Fleming, Stoke Gabriel, Stokenham, Strete (Street), Thurlestone, Totnes, Ugborough, West Alvington, Woodleigh 2. FreeReg covering parishes in many counties including some in Devon: https://www.freereg.org.uk/ BTW: I’ve changed the subject line to reflect the changed topic of conversation. Best regards. Mike Rendle DFHS 21563 On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:40, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: A good time to remind you that not all Devon registers are on FMP, register images for no fewer than 50 parishes are exclusively on the Devon Family History Society's members' only area of the website- www.devonfhs.org.uk<http://www.devonfhs.org.uk>. There is an ongoing Society project to index these registers. Parish Register images available to Members, from the earliest registers available to 1915: Abbotskerswell, Arlington, Aveton Gifford, Axminster, Bigbury, Bow, Bratton Fleming, Challacombe, Chardstock, Clannaborough, Clayhidon, Coffinswell, Coleridge, Combpyne, Cullompton, Culmstock, Exeter St. Matthew, Exeter St. Sidwell, Hawkchurch, Hemyock, Holsworthy, Ilsington, Kennerleigh, Kentisbury, Kingskerswell, Kingston, Lapford, Loddiswell, Loxhore, Malborough, Mary Tavy, Milton Damarel, Modbury, Morchard Bishop, Nymet Rowland, Peter Tavy, Plymtree, Ringmore, Salcombe, Shirwell, South Huish, Stockleigh English, Stockleigh Pomeroy, Stoke Rivers, Torquay Torwood Holy Trinity, Torquay St. Marks, Torquay St. Matthias, Washford Pyne, Withycombe Raleigh, Woodleigh, Woolfardisworthy East, Zeal Monachorum. Terry

There is a book " The Blizzard in the West: Being a Record and Story of the Disastrous Storm Which Raged Throughout Devon and Cornwall, and West Somerset, on the Night of March 9Th, 1891" on archive.org https://archive.org/details/blizzardinwestbe00londiala/page/n4 Joy ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jacqueline Davidson" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 29 Oct, 2019 At 18:56 Subject: [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: The Blizzard of 1891 Is someone writing a book, or has one been written about this blizzard? I would like to know the title and author. I can suggest a book called The Children's Blizzard, about one in the USA. Thank you, Jackie in Mississippi

Hi Jackie, There are several articles and books already written about the event, including Blizzard in the West, published in 1892. I am writing an article for a family history publication and wanted to find some personal stories from descendants of people who lived through the storm. That is all this is about, notwithstanding all of the side-commentary about current weather conditions, Internet searches, etc. Wayne On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:13 PM Jacqueline Davidson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Is someone writing a book, or has one been written about this blizzard? I > would like to know the title and author. I can suggest a book called The > Children's Blizzard, about one in the USA. > Thank you, > Jackie in Mississippi >

Hi Caren Yes FMP is generally good for England.. particularly for Devon and parts of Lancashire.. Yorkshire too I think and probably others places I don’t know about! Jane > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:03, Caren Wilcox <[email protected]> wrote: > > I find FMP has records that no one else has for England. (Or I can't find them anywhere else.) But their site is not that easy to use, and sometimes one has to bear down and just go through one record after another to get a result. On the other hand FMP has gotten me back with clear valid records to the 1600s and I found that we are from Cornwall as well as Devon, so worth the search! > > Caren in Washington DC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Rendle [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Jane Lucas > Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP > > Hi Jane > > I think you’ve really answered your own question. > > The record set that you found her in is the "Devon, Parish Registers Browse” where you can browse through the images from records for (some) Devon parishes, there is no search using names, that is FMP haven’t (yet) indexed them. > > Best regards > > Mike Rendle > DFHS 21563 > > On 29 Oct 2019, at 15:34, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Then one day recently I decided to scroll through the burial register using this record set on FMP. There are 167 records in this set and you can’t search by name. (Found here - ’Search A-Z>Devon>Parish Register Browse>Staverton St. Paul. This returns 11 results including the one shown below, i.e. the whole Burial Register for burials within that date range) > > Staverton, St Paul Burials 1813-1915 872A/PR/1/15 > > And there she is, Anne Searle of Staverton buried 29 Apr 1862 aged 85, Staverton St. Paul. It is on p107. Brilliant, I was very pleased to find her. > > But why isn’t this record searchable by name from ‘A-Z>Devon>Staverton St. Paul?’ Or A-Z Devon.. no Parish/no date/wild card search/same for the ‘global’ BMD search. As I say, there are no results using any of those search methods. FamilySearch don’t have her either. > > <skip> > > I can only think that these records are not Indexed? I did try a couple of names from the same page and they can’t be found either using a name search. > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello cousin Liz! Very happy to meet you here, talking about my SKEMP line that relates to my great grandfather, Charles Widlake SKEMP...one of several bearing that name that came to America. There was quite a discussion this past week about the line, and I received some wonderful help from two of the group. First, before we chat about the line and my branches that came to Illinois and then to Dubuque, Iowa...and some on to Wisconsin and Minnesota, I note that you think the line might have come out of France...and perhaps had several ministers. I do know that one of the men named Charles that came to Iowa was a minister. My gr grandfather was a mason /brick layer and contractor. I have heard from another person that the SKEMPs in Wisconsin have some known physicians. IF back in time they came out of France, perhaps they were among the French Hugenots fleeing persecution. There is also this thought. My mother told me more than once that my Great Aunt Hattie Mae SKEMP AGARD (Harriet Mae SKEMP) said they had once been Van Skemps. So maybe came up the coast from The Netherlands or Flanders. My father, born 1914 Dubuque, Iowa was a son of Heinrich Joseph WILMS (Joseph Henry WILLIAMS) b Jan 1883 Blankenheim, ,Germany ...with a WILMS / WILLEMS history out of Hoogeloon, The Netherlands prior to going mid to late 1700s into Blankenheim, Germany in the Eifel region of the Nordheim Westfalen, an area often known as Prussia when occupied by the French. My great grandparents Johann Joseph WILMS and wife Anna Helena Magdalena PAULI mar 1882 in Blankenheim and immigrated 1883 with their infant son (my grandfather) and went to Glen Haven, Grant County Wisconsin where some of their kin had gone earlier...(Pauly, Klinkhammer, Ludwig lines) but in 1898, they moved across the Mississippi River into Guttenberg, Iowa where John Joseph (Johann Joseph) continued his trade of painting frescoes in Gothic style Catholic churches, and gilding..including the crosses atop the church spires. Their son Joseph Henry WILMS / WILLIAMS married 1913 to Ivy Laura SKEMP, a daughter of Laura Catherine CAIN and Charles Widlake SKEMP. There is more info in the list postings from Jane Lucas. If you can't find it, I will contact you and share. Audrey Williams Stanaland Denver, North Carolina 28037 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Liz Youle via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Liz Youle <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] SKEMP While I was away with no internet access and only occasional email, I noticed a lot of emails about SKEMPs. I knew I had SKEMPs but at the time I wasn't sure where they were from. I had a feeling they came from France. Some of them were Reverand gentlemen and I knew vicars moved around a lot, I had to wait until I could get a signal to check everything. Thomas SKEMP was born c.1818 in Barum Braunton, Plymstock and died 16 Dec 1874 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. He was a Mercer and Baptist Minister. His parents were William Pascal SKEMP c.1792 who married Sarah WIDLAKE. The reason I've researched them is that I was at school with the 3xg granddaughter of William and Sarah, and she married one of my granddaughter's cousins! Yes, it is a very small world. Even smaller is that one of our other school friend's 2nd husband is my 5th cousin. We were at a boarding school, they were clergy daughters and my parents lived in Iraq so finding us all related, by marriage, has been amazing. Before I found out all about the two husbands, they were already great friends. Liz _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thnx Terry.. good reminder. I am a Devon FHS member. It is as you say good value. I always look to see what new parishes have been added. I bought some of the BMD Transcripts some time ago. Very useful for early dates in parishes I use a lot. Most are online now but it’s quicker sometimes to turn real pages. Jane Devon FHS 21810 > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:46, [email protected] wrote: > > A good time to remind you that not all Devon registers are on FMP, register images for no fewer than 50 parishes are exclusively on the Devon Family History Society's members' only area of the website- www.devonfhs.org.uk. There is an ongoing Society project to index these registers. > > Parish Register images available to Members, from the earliest registers available to 1915: > Abbotskerswell, Arlington, Aveton Gifford, Axminster, Bigbury, Bow, Bratton Fleming, Challacombe, Chardstock, Clannaborough, Clayhidon, Coffinswell, Coleridge, Combpyne, Cullompton, Culmstock, Exeter St. Matthew, Exeter St. Sidwell, Hawkchurch, Hemyock, Holsworthy, Ilsington, Kennerleigh, Kentisbury, Kingskerswell, Kingston, Lapford, Loddiswell, Loxhore, Malborough, Mary Tavy, Milton Damarel, Modbury, Morchard Bishop, Nymet Rowland, Peter Tavy, Plymtree, Ringmore, Salcombe, Shirwell, South Huish, Stockleigh English, Stockleigh Pomeroy, Stoke Rivers, Torquay Torwood Holy Trinity, Torquay St. Marks, Torquay St. Matthias, Washford Pyne, Withycombe Raleigh, Woodleigh, Woolfardisworthy East, Zeal Monachorum. > > Terry

Is someone writing a book, or has one been written about this blizzard? I would like to know the title and author. I can suggest a book called The Children's Blizzard, about one in the USA. Thank you, Jackie in Mississippi -----Original Message----- From: Marie McCulloch <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:38 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: The Blizzard of 1891 Would love that it has been suggested for years that we tow a couple up from Antarctica but nothing comes of it except More talk Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Edna Marlow Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2019 11:19 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [DEV] DEV] Re: The Blizzard of 1891 Marie McC: We can always top you up with a few icebergs. (;-)) Edna ~ sunny Ottawa _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hhmmm .. well at least I’m not alone in finding that Paul. I was blaming myself.. a wild card search (not that wild .. only one letter) on FMP today brought up pages and pages of stuff.. some without any names at all. And yes.. Ancestry often has several entries for the same event.. frustrating. It would be useful if we knew when a site had records that aren’t indexed. I might be a bit slow on the uptake but I’ve been using FMP for 7/8 Years and only just found that out! It’s another case of ‘you don’t know what you don’t know’. Oh well I’m a bit wiser this evening. Jane > On 29 Oct 2019, at 18:24, Heywyre Akers <[email protected]> wrote: > > EXCELLENT analogy Paul - I too have found much the same > > Judy > BC Canada > > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Hockie via DEVON <[email protected]> > Sent: October 29, 2019 11:21 AM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Cc: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> > Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP > > I have fond that over the last few years FMP, Ancestry and , sadly, FamilySearch seem to have dropped all quality standards in the rush to add records while switch their revenue stream to dubious DNA tests. Some of the problems include > - up to six entries for the same event with one having an image attached > - pdfs indexed by name only but with no name date or place listed in the results, requiring each to be opened > - results with just blanks. I opened one of these and found it was a blank page. I have also found LDS film headers. > - results with names and no other information, again requiring each one to be opened. > > I have also found that "variants", with the possible exception of FamilySearch Soundex, are getting more "flexible" with ticking the box to allow name variants adds thousands of improbable names to what was a manageable list. Same goes for "hints". > > I suspect that the pay sites are finding that many of the Family Historians who were inspired by Who Do You Think You Are have either given up or have slowly worked their way through what is already available and only need a subscription for new additions. These poor search results mean we are slowed down and need to continue our subscriptions longer than necessary. > > Cheers > > Paul > > > > -

EXCELLENT analogy Paul - I too have found much the same Judy BC Canada ________________________________ From: Paul Hockie via DEVON <[email protected]> Sent: October 29, 2019 11:21 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP I have fond that over the last few years FMP, Ancestry and , sadly, FamilySearch seem to have dropped all quality standards in the rush to add records while switch their revenue stream to dubious DNA tests. Some of the problems include - up to six entries for the same event with one having an image attached - pdfs indexed by name only but with no name date or place listed in the results, requiring each to be opened - results with just blanks. I opened one of these and found it was a blank page. I have also found LDS film headers. - results with names and no other information, again requiring each one to be opened. I have also found that "variants", with the possible exception of FamilySearch Soundex, are getting more "flexible" with ticking the box to allow name variants adds thousands of improbable names to what was a manageable list. Same goes for "hints". I suspect that the pay sites are finding that many of the Family Historians who were inspired by Who Do You Think You Are have either given up or have slowly worked their way through what is already available and only need a subscription for new additions. These poor search results mean we are slowed down and need to continue our subscriptions longer than necessary. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 17:25 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Thanks Mike and Adrien.. at least I’m not going mad. I was secretly worried I was doing something completely dim. Yes.. I realised that an 1860 search (or thereabouts) produces no results, and results end c1813/1814. That’s why I was puzzled because there’s a whole register of stuff going up to 1915. So I suspected that there was no Index, but FMP don’t says that about those record sets in the ‘Browse’ category. But I also find sometimes that some Registers stop around the time civil registration began in 1837. I don’t know why the FMP ‘agent’ who responded to my question couldn’t tell me that. Well.. at least it gives me heart to plough through the Wembury area registers. I have several missing people there and Dartmouth. One or two is to be expected, but so many disappearances I think is suspect. I’ll try the ± 20 years option as well. As you say, if I can narrow down a year then it’s not too difficult to skip through a register. Thanks again Jane. > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:10, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials > at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from > 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. > > But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y > of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they > creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one > register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the > image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR > Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for > the first few pages. > > Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. > > But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that > there should be something there - doing a search for any name within > 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the > gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, > though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. > > NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath > the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for > an image on FMP. > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have fond that over the last few years FMP, Ancestry and , sadly, FamilySearch seem to have dropped all quality standards in the rush to add records while switch their revenue stream to dubious DNA tests. Some of the problems include - up to six entries for the same event with one having an image attached - pdfs indexed by name only but with no name date or place listed in the results, requiring each to be opened - results with just blanks. I opened one of these and found it was a blank page. I have also found LDS film headers. - results with names and no other information, again requiring each one to be opened. I have also found that "variants", with the possible exception of FamilySearch Soundex, are getting more "flexible" with ticking the box to allow name variants adds thousands of improbable names to what was a manageable list. Same goes for "hints". I suspect that the pay sites are finding that many of the Family Historians who were inspired by Who Do You Think You Are have either given up or have slowly worked their way through what is already available and only need a subscription for new additions. These poor search results mean we are slowed down and need to continue our subscriptions longer than necessary. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 17:25 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Thanks Mike and Adrien.. at least I’m not going mad. I was secretly worried I was doing something completely dim. Yes.. I realised that an 1860 search (or thereabouts) produces no results, and results end c1813/1814. That’s why I was puzzled because there’s a whole register of stuff going up to 1915. So I suspected that there was no Index, but FMP don’t says that about those record sets in the ‘Browse’ category. But I also find sometimes that some Registers stop around the time civil registration began in 1837. I don’t know why the FMP ‘agent’ who responded to my question couldn’t tell me that. Well.. at least it gives me heart to plough through the Wembury area registers. I have several missing people there and Dartmouth. One or two is to be expected, but so many disappearances I think is suspect. I’ll try the ± 20 years option as well. As you say, if I can narrow down a year then it’s not too difficult to skip through a register. Thanks again Jane. > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:10, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials > at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from > 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. > > But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y > of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they > creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one > register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the > image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR > Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for > the first few pages. > > Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. > > But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that > there should be something there - doing a search for any name within > 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the > gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, > though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. > > NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath > the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for > an image on FMP. > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

A good time to remind you that not all Devon registers are on FMP,  register images for no fewer than 50 parishes are exclusively on the Devon Family History Society's members' only area of the website- www.devonfhs.org.uk. There is an ongoing Society project to index these registers. Parish Register images available to Members, from the earliest registers available to 1915: Abbotskerswell, Arlington, Aveton Gifford, Axminster, Bigbury, Bow, Bratton Fleming, Challacombe, Chardstock, Clannaborough, Clayhidon, Coffinswell, Coleridge, Combpyne, Cullompton, Culmstock, Exeter St. Matthew, Exeter St. Sidwell, Hawkchurch, Hemyock, Holsworthy, Ilsington, Kennerleigh, Kentisbury, Kingskerswell, Kingston, Lapford, Loddiswell, Loxhore, Malborough, Mary Tavy, Milton Damarel, Modbury, Morchard Bishop, Nymet Rowland, Peter Tavy, Plymtree, Ringmore, Salcombe, Shirwell, South Huish, Stockleigh English, Stockleigh Pomeroy, Stoke Rivers, Torquay Torwood Holy Trinity, Torquay St. Marks, Torquay St. Matthias, Washford Pyne, Withycombe Raleigh, Woodleigh, Woolfardisworthy East, Zeal Monachorum. Terry On 29/10/2019 17:24, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: > Thanks Mike and Adrien.. at least I’m not going mad. I was secretly worried I was doing something completely dim. > > Yes.. I realised that an 1860 search (or thereabouts) produces no results, and results end c1813/1814. That’s why I was puzzled because there’s a whole register of stuff going up to 1915. So I suspected that there was no Index, but FMP don’t says that about those record sets in the ‘Browse’ category. But I also find sometimes that some Registers stop around the time civil registration began in 1837. > > I don’t know why the FMP ‘agent’ who responded to my question couldn’t tell me that. > > Well.. at least it gives me heart to plough through the Wembury area registers. I have several missing people there and Dartmouth. One or two is to be expected, but so many disappearances I think is suspect. I’ll try the ± 20 years option as well. As you say, if I can narrow down a year then it’s not too difficult to skip through a register. > > Thanks again > Jane. > > >> On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:10, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials >> at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from >> 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. >> >> But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y >> of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they >> creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one >> register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the >> image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR >> Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for >> the first few pages. >> >> Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. >> >> But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that >> there should be something there - doing a search for any name within >> 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the >> gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, >> though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. >> >> NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath >> the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for >> an image on FMP. >> >> Adrian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- Chairman - Devon Family History Society Registered Charity No. 282490 Mayflower International Genealogical Conference 2020 <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/mayflower_conference.pdf> Web site: http://www.devonfhs.org.uk <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> Email address: [email protected] Join from just £12 a year

Thanks Mike and Adrien.. at least I’m not going mad. I was secretly worried I was doing something completely dim. Yes.. I realised that an 1860 search (or thereabouts) produces no results, and results end c1813/1814. That’s why I was puzzled because there’s a whole register of stuff going up to 1915. So I suspected that there was no Index, but FMP don’t says that about those record sets in the ‘Browse’ category. But I also find sometimes that some Registers stop around the time civil registration began in 1837. I don’t know why the FMP ‘agent’ who responded to my question couldn’t tell me that. Well.. at least it gives me heart to plough through the Wembury area registers. I have several missing people there and Dartmouth. One or two is to be expected, but so many disappearances I think is suspect. I’ll try the ± 20 years option as well. As you say, if I can narrow down a year then it’s not too difficult to skip through a register. Thanks again Jane. > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:10, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials > at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from > 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. > > But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y > of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they > creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one > register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the > image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR > Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for > the first few pages. > > Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. > > But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that > there should be something there - doing a search for any name within > 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the > gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, > though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. > > NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath > the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for > an image on FMP. > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for the first few pages. Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that there should be something there - doing a search for any name within 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for an image on FMP. Adrian

I find FMP has records that no one else has for England. (Or I can't find them anywhere else.) But their site is not that easy to use, and sometimes one has to bear down and just go through one record after another to get a result. On the other hand FMP has gotten me back with clear valid records to the 1600s and I found that we are from Cornwall as well as Devon, so worth the search! Caren in Washington DC -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rendle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:52 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Hi Jane I think you’ve really answered your own question. The record set that you found her in is the "Devon, Parish Registers Browse” where you can browse through the images from records for (some) Devon parishes, there is no search using names, that is FMP haven’t (yet) indexed them. Best regards Mike Rendle DFHS 21563 On 29 Oct 2019, at 15:34, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Then one day recently I decided to scroll through the burial register using this record set on FMP. There are 167 records in this set and you can’t search by name. (Found here - ’Search A-Z>Devon>Parish Register Browse>Staverton St. Paul. This returns 11 results including the one shown below, i.e. the whole Burial Register for burials within that date range) Staverton, St Paul Burials 1813-1915 872A/PR/1/15 And there she is, Anne Searle of Staverton buried 29 Apr 1862 aged 85, Staverton St. Paul. It is on p107. Brilliant, I was very pleased to find her. But why isn’t this record searchable by name from ‘A-Z>Devon>Staverton St. Paul?’ Or A-Z Devon.. no Parish/no date/wild card search/same for the ‘global’ BMD search. As I say, there are no results using any of those search methods. FamilySearch don’t have her either. <skip> I can only think that these records are not Indexed? I did try a couple of names from the same page and they can’t be found either using a name search. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Jane I think you’ve really answered your own question. The record set that you found her in is the "Devon, Parish Registers Browse” where you can browse through the images from records for (some) Devon parishes, there is no search using names, that is FMP haven’t (yet) indexed them. Best regards Mike Rendle DFHS 21563 On 29 Oct 2019, at 15:34, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Then one day recently I decided to scroll through the burial register using this record set on FMP. There are 167 records in this set and you can’t search by name. (Found here - ’Search A-Z>Devon>Parish Register Browse>Staverton St. Paul. This returns 11 results including the one shown below, i.e. the whole Burial Register for burials within that date range) Staverton, St Paul Burials 1813-1915 872A/PR/1/15 And there she is, Anne Searle of Staverton buried 29 Apr 1862 aged 85, Staverton St. Paul. It is on p107. Brilliant, I was very pleased to find her. But why isn’t this record searchable by name from ‘A-Z>Devon>Staverton St. Paul?’ Or A-Z Devon.. no Parish/no date/wild card search/same for the ‘global’ BMD search. As I say, there are no results using any of those search methods. FamilySearch don’t have her either. <skip> I can only think that these records are not Indexed? I did try a couple of names from the same page and they can’t be found either using a name search.

Hi All This question relates to using the various search functions on FMP, but particularly a name search. And many apologies if I have overlooked some blindingly obvious answer… I’m good at that. I’ve been looking for a burial for Ann/e Searle of Staverton, Devon for some time (years in fact.) I have her well documented until after the Census of 1861 when she disappears. As she was 84 at this point I assumed she died. But I couldn’t find a burial. I have an 1862 Civil Reg. record for Totnes reg. district from GRO for Anne Searle age 85. So I am pretty sure this is her and that she must be buried in Staverton or nearby. But an exhaustive search never returned anything. Then one day recently I decided to scroll through the burial register using this record set on FMP. There are 167 records in this set and you can’t search by name. (Found here - ’Search A-Z>Devon>Parish Register Browse>Staverton St. Paul. This returns 11 results including the one shown below, i.e. the whole Burial Register for burials within that date range) Staverton, St Paul Burials 1813-1915 872A/PR/1/15 And there she is, Anne Searle of Staverton buried 29 Apr 1862 aged 85, Staverton St. Paul. It is on p107. Brilliant, I was very pleased to find her. But why isn’t this record searchable by name from ‘A-Z>Devon>Staverton St. Paul?’ Or A-Z Devon.. no Parish/no date/wild card search/same for the ‘global’ BMD search. As I say, there are no results using any of those search methods. FamilySearch don’t have her either. Here is the link to the page I found her on from the Parish Record Browse search https://search.findmypast.com/record/browse?id=gbprs%2fdev%2f007271285%2f00109&fulfillmentTypeKey=7475 <https://search.findmypast.com/record/browse?id=gbprs%2fdev%2f007271285%2f00109&fulfillmentTypeKey=7475> I can only think that these records are not Indexed? I did try a couple of names from the same page and they can’t be found either using a name search. Is it me? I’ve emailed FMP but they just tell me to search using the links I’ve already outlined above. They didn’t explain why I can’t find her that way. If it’s a one off issue then fine.. but I suspect it isn’t. I’m having similar problems finding people in Wembury, and given the problem above I wonder if it’s for the same reason. Regards Jane

While I was away with no internet access and only occasional email, I noticed a lot of emails about SKEMPs.  I knew I had SKEMPs but at the time I wasn't sure where they were from. I had a feeling they came from France.  Some of them were Reverand gentlemen and I knew vicars moved around a lot, I had to wait until I could get a signal to check everything. Thomas SKEMP was born c.1818 in Barum Braunton, Plymstock and died 16 Dec 1874 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. He was a Mercer and Baptist Minister. His parents were William Pascal SKEMP c.1792 who married Sarah WIDLAKE. The reason I've researched them is that I was at school with the 3xg granddaughter of William and Sarah, and she married one of my granddaughter's cousins!  Yes, it is a very small world.  Even smaller is that one of our other school friend's 2nd husband is my 5th cousin.  We were at a boarding school, they were clergy daughters and my parents lived in Iraq so finding us all related, by marriage, has been amazing.  Before I found out all about the two husbands, they were already great friends. Liz