he Plympton St Maurice parish baptism register shows these baptisms: 1875February17William Johns/oWilliam&CarolineMartinofPlympton St MauriceLabourer 1878February15GeorgeHenrys/oWilliam&CarolineMartinofPlympton St MauriceLabourer 1883September30FrederickCharless/oWilliam Henry&CarolineMartinofPlympton St MauriceLabourer 1887May20EmilyLenad/oWilliam Henry&CarolineMartinofPlympton St MauriceLabourer 1890August3SamuelHenrys/oWilliam Henry&CarolineMartinofYemstone (Yealmpton ?)Plympton St MaryLabourer 1893May5AmeliaEllend/oWilliam Henry&CarolineMartinofPlympton St MauriceLabourer No child named Stanley appears in the register. The parish marriage registers shows the William Henry Martin marrying Caroline Nicholls in 1874. I would take the census records with a grain of salt. If Samuel changed his name to Stanley it is not reflected in the parish records. The family is shown on both the 1891 and 1901 censuses and the boy in question is named Samuel and the mother is Caroline. The 1911 census shows her as Catherine. The PS Maurice burial register records a burial for Caroline Dennis Toms Martin in 1918. Where the other two names came from is a mystery as they appear nowhere else. I suspect they are a mistake made by the clerk or vicar. She appears to have been baptized in Plympton St Mary parish in 1853 as Catherine Nichols, just to confuse the issue further. Wayne Shepheard OPC for Cornwood, Harford, Plympton St Mary & Plympton St Maurice On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 11:28 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been reading with interest stories about the Blizzard very interesting. May I ask if anyone can help me as to where I may locate Stanley Henry Martin Born about 1891 with parents William & Caroline or Catherine. I am researching this person for a family friend. I have been visiting the Morman church just down the road from my house but the films 4635201 and 4635218 are not available. Does this mean they have not yet been digitized. > > What else should I be doing? I have Stanley married in Australia and on the Electoral Rolls & his AIF records. His death is on our Cemetery Data Base. > > > Regards > > Liz Langford. > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I’ve taken a look at FMP and the GRO and found the following (some of which you may already have). 1. The marriage of William Henry MARTIN (aged 19) to Caroline NICHOLLS (aged 21) 28 Jan 1874, Plympton St Mary, Fathers: Michael MARTIN and George NICHOLLS, Witnesses: James HOLMAN and Bessie MARTIN. (FMP) 2. The baptism of William John MARTIN 19 Feb 1875, Plympton St Maurice son of William & Caroline. (FMP) 3. The baptism of George Henry MARTIN 15 Feb 1878, Plympton St Maurice son of William & Caroline. (FMP) 4. The baptism of Frederick Charles MARTIN 30 Sep 1883, Plympton St Maurice son of William Henry & Caroline. (FMP) 5. The baptism of Emily Lena MARTIN 20 May 1887 (born 22 Apr 1887), Plympton St Maurice daughter of William Henry & Caroline. (FMP) 6. The baptism of Samuel Henry MARTIN 3 Aug 1890 (born 28 Jun 1890), Plympton St Maurice son of William Henry & Caroline. (NB: The first name is Samuel). (FMP) 7. The baptism of Amelia Ellen MARTIN 5 May 1893 (born 11 Mar 1893), Plympton St Maurice son of William Henry & Caroline. (FMP) 8. There is a baptism for a Lilian Amelia MARTIN 22 Mar 1893, Cornwood (not too far from Plympton) daughter if John Thomas and Rachel Malah. (FMP) 9. I couldn’t find a Stanley Henry so is he Samuel Henry? I have scanned through the images for Plympton St Maurice between the baptisms of Samuel & Amelia but he isn’t there. I see you have Samuel in one place and Stanley in another. I also searched the GRO index and only Samuel Henry was registered between 1888 & 1892 in Plympton with a mother’s maiden name of NICHOLLS (or anything similar). 10. Regarding Caroline/Catherine/Katherine NICHOLLS there is a record on the GRO: NICHOLS, CATHARINE, Mother’s Maiden Name TOMS, GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY UNION Volume 05B Page 191 Catherine is baptised 29 Jun 1853, Plympton St Mary (born 14 Jun 1853, Colebrook) daughter of George & Mary Ann. Her birth year fits, as does the forename of her father, with that given on the marriage certificate. (FMP) 11. George NICHOLS married Mary Ann TOMS 11 Jan 1853, Plympton St Mary. (FMP) 12. In the 1861 & 1871 censuses Catharine is shown as Charoline & Caroline respectively. (FMP) BTW, just be aware that there is a family tree on Ancestry where a Caroline NICHOLLS is shown as the daughter of William and Elizabeth SHORT. This Caroline is shown as marrying William Henry MARTIN. There is a Caroline NICHOLLS on the GRO: NICHOLLS, CAROLINE, Mother’s Maiden Name SHORT, GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in PLYMPTON ST MARY Volume 09 Page 490. I don’t think this is your Caroline as the year and father’s first name doesn’t fit with your Caroline's marriage details. I think this tree is incorrect. I will let them know where I think they may have gone wrong. I hope this helps. Mike Rendle DFHS 21563 On 30 Oct 2019, at 09:44, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Thank you for your reply, Stanley's parents are William Henry Martin & Kathleen Nicholls married in Plympton St Mary 1874 but I believe Kathleen could be Catherine or Caroline which is on all of the Census that I have. Other children, William John 1875, George Henry 1878, Frederick Charles 1882, Emily Lina 1888, Samuel Henry 1891, Lillian Amelia Ellen 1893. Stanley's marriage Certificate in 1915 in Australia married Mary Kenny says he was Born Plympton Devonshire England age 24 & a Carpenter. His AIF papers say he was in the Territorials for 1 year & resigned to leave the country. He joined the AIF in 1917. I can't seem to find him coming to Australia. Having read about the Blizzard I wondered if he had moved away from England. I must be missing something, Regards Liz. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rendle Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 7:26 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Surname MARTIN Hi Liz Do you have any other information about the parents, any other children or where Stanley was born? When did Stanley go to Australia and was it with his parents? Regards Mike Rendle Salisbury UK Sent from my iPad On 30 Oct 2019, at 05:13, "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi, I have been reading with interest stories about the Blizzard very interesting. May I ask if anyone can help me as to where I may locate Stanley Henry Martin Born about 1891 with parents William & Caroline or Catherine. I am researching this person for a family friend. I have been visiting the Morman church just down the road from my house but the films 4635201 and 4635218 are not available. Does this mean they have not yet been digitized. What else should I be doing? I have Stanley married in Australia and on the Electoral Rolls & his AIF records. His death is on our Cemetery Data Base. Regards Liz Langford.

The Plympton St Maurice parish baptism register shows these baptisms: 1875 February 17 William John s/o William & Caroline Martin of Plympton St Maurice Labourer 1878 February 15 George Henry s/o William & Caroline Martin of Plympton St Maurice Labourer 1883 September 30 Frederick Charles s/o William Henry & Caroline Martin of Plympton St Maurice Labourer 1887 May 20 Emily Lena d/o William Henry & Caroline Martin of Plympton St Maurice Labourer 1890 August 3 Samuel Henry s/o William Henry & Caroline Martin of Yemstone (Yealmpton ?) Plympton St Mary Labourer 1893 May 5 Amelia Ellen d/o William Henry & Caroline Martin of Plympton St Maurice Labourer No child named Stanley appears in the register. The parish marriage registers shows the William Henry Martin marrying Caroline Nicholls in 1874. I would take the census records with a grain of salt. If Samuel changed his name to Stanley it is not reflected in the parish records. The family is shown on both the 1891 and 1901 censuses and the boy in question is named Samuel and the mother is Caroline. The 1911 census shows her as Catherine. The PS Maurice burial register records a burial for Caroline Dennis Toms Martin in 1918. Where the other two names came from is a mystery as they appear nowhere else. I suspect they are a mistake made by the clerk or vicar. She appears to have been baptized in Plympton St Mary parish in 1853 as Catherine Nichols, just to confuse the issue further. Wayne Shepheard OPC for Cornwood, Harford, Plympton St Mary & Plympton St Maurice On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 3:58 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you for your reply, > > Stanley's parents are William Henry Martin & Kathleen Nicholls married in > Plympton St Mary 1874 but I believe Kathleen could be Catherine or Caroline > which is on all of the Census that I have. > > Other children, William John 1875, George Henry 1878, Frederick Charles > 1882, Emily Lina 1888, Samuel Henry 1891, Lillian Amelia Ellen 1893. > > Stanley's marriage Certificate in 1915 in Australia married Mary Kenny says > he was Born Plympton Devonshire England age 24 & a Carpenter. His AIF papers > say he was in the Territorials for 1 year & resigned to leave the country. > He joined the AIF in 1917. I can't seem to find him coming to Australia. > Having read about the Blizzard I wondered if he had moved away from England. > > I must be missing something, > > Regards Liz. >

Hi Ann, Searching the www.gro.gov.uk birth registration index for the surname MARTIN 1891 plus or minus two years only reveals a Samuel Henry MARTIN with mother's surname NICHOLLS Ref 1890 Sept qtr Plympton St Mary Vol 05b page 219, there is no Stanley. The baptism on FMP shows his parents name as William and Caroline. As you say, there is only a Samuel born around this date living with William and Caroline on the census so I am wondering if Stanley Henry and Samuel Henry are one and the same? The Freebmd index has a marriage MAR 1874 Plympton William Henry MARTIN and Caroline NICHOLLS. I can't find a marriage for William Martin and Kathleen Nicholls on Freebmd. People did use a different first name in the family to the official name they use on documents. I have examples in my own family. Often, the children are unaware of their parents real first name. I DNA matched with some descendants of my great grandfather's sister who had emigrated to America with her husband. They knew her as Mary and had been struggling to find her baptism, census entries, and their great grandparents marriage etc. Her baptism name was Elizabeth Jane and that was used on the official records in the UK but she started using Mary after she emigrated. I can't find Samuel in 1911 but his parents are at Plympton and on the 1911 census Caroline is Catherine which helps support the idea that this is the correct family. Joy ------ Original Message ------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 30 Oct, 2019 At 09:44 Subject: [DEV] Re: Surname MARTIN Thank you for your reply, Stanley's parents are William Henry Martin & Kathleen Nicholls married in Plympton St Mary 1874 but I believe Kathleen could be Catherine or Caroline which is on all of the Census that I have. Other children, William John 1875, George Henry 1878, Frederick Charles 1882, Emily Lina 1888, Samuel Henry 1891, Lillian Amelia Ellen 1893. Stanley's marriage Certificate in 1915 in Australia married Mary Kenny says he was Born Plympton Devonshire England age 24 & a Carpenter. His AIF papers say he was in the Territorials for 1 year & resigned to leave the country. He joined the AIF in 1917. I can't seem to find him coming to Australia. Having read about the Blizzard I wondered if he had moved away from England. I must be missing something, Regards Liz. _______________________________________________

Hi AudreyI noticed all the postings last week, however I am down in Cornwall using my Android and I don't have my tree on it!  I have no internet in my home here but the other night I looked at my tree...It's not on the internet  but I was able to see it on my laptop.  I'm now in the supermarket cafe.I return to Derbyshire tomorrow and will be able to access all the archives.  Yes, I do have Charles Widlake SKEMP.   WIDLAkE for his mother. I also knew he went to the US.  After that it gets more vague for me.   Anne, the direct descendant, will be visiting me in a couple of weeks.  Pascal is a very French name.When Anne and Stephen celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary, I was the only 'non' direct cousin BUT I am their family historian and I produced an overhead of all their family photos...with names and details.  Then on another table I did their extensive family tree. Everyone was thrilled.  I have to say, the family NEVER throw anything away!LizSent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: [email protected] Date: 29/10/2019 19:06 (GMT+00:00) To: [email protected] Cc: 'Liz Youle' <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: SKEMP Hello cousin Liz! Very happy to meet you here, talking about my SKEMP line that relates to my great grandfather, Charles Widlake SKEMP...one of several bearing that name that came to America.There was quite a discussion this past week about the line, and I received some wonderful help from two of the group.  First, before we chat about the line and my branches that came to Illinois and then to Dubuque, Iowa...and some on to Wisconsin and Minnesota, I note that you think the line might have come out of France...and perhaps had several ministers. I do know that one of the men named Charles that came to Iowa was a minister. My gr grandfather was a mason /brick layer and contractor.  I have heard from another person that the SKEMPs in Wisconsin have some known physicians.IF back in time they came out of France, perhaps they were among the French Hugenots fleeing persecution.  There is also this thought. My mother told me more than once that my Great Aunt Hattie Mae SKEMP AGARD (Harriet Mae SKEMP) said they had once been Van Skemps.  So maybe came up the coast from The Netherlands or Flanders.  My father, born 1914 Dubuque, Iowa was a son of Heinrich Joseph WILMS (Joseph Henry WILLIAMS) b Jan 1883 Blankenheim, ,Germany ...with a WILMS / WILLEMS history out of Hoogeloon, The Netherlands prior to going mid to late 1700s into Blankenheim, Germany in the Eifel region of the Nordheim Westfalen, an area often known as Prussia when occupied by the French.  My great grandparents Johann Joseph WILMS and wife Anna Helena Magdalena PAULI mar 1882 in Blankenheim and immigrated 1883 with their infant son (my grandfather) and went to Glen Haven, Grant County Wisconsin where some of their kin had gone earlier...(Pauly, Klinkhammer, Ludwig lines) but in 1898, they moved across the Mississippi River into Guttenberg, Iowa where John Joseph (Johann Joseph) continued his trade of painting frescoes in Gothic style Catholic churches, and gilding..including the crosses atop the church spires.Their son Joseph Henry WILMS / WILLIAMS married 1913 to Ivy Laura SKEMP, a daughter of Laura Catherine CAIN and Charles Widlake SKEMP.  There is more info in the list postings from Jane Lucas. If you can't find it, I will contact you and share.Audrey Williams StanalandDenver, North Carolina [email protected] Message-----From: Liz Youle via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 9:51 AMTo: [email protected]: Liz Youle <[email protected]>Subject: [DEV] SKEMPWhile I was away with no internet access and only occasional email, I noticed a lot of emails about SKEMPs.  I knew I had SKEMPs but at the time I wasn't sure where they were from. I had a feeling they came from France.  Some of them were Reverand gentlemen and I knew vicars moved around a lot, I had to wait until I could get a signal to check everything.Thomas SKEMP was born c.1818 in Barum Braunton, Plymstock and died 16 Dec 1874 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. He was a Mercer and Baptist Minister.His parents were William Pascal SKEMP c.1792 who married Sarah WIDLAKE.The reason I've researched them is that I was at school with the 3xg granddaughter of William and Sarah, and she married one of my granddaughter's cousins!  Yes, it is a very small world.  Even smaller is that one of our other school friend's 2nd husband is my 5th cousin. We were at a boarding school, they were clergy daughters and my parents lived in Iraq so finding us all related, by marriage, has been amazing. Before I found out all about the two husbands, they were already great friends.Liz_______________________________________________------------------------------------------The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devonhttp://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community_______________________________________________------------------------------------------The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devonhttp://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Liz,   I looked at the family history web site www. Familysearch.org.  sign in is free.  I brought up Stanley's marriage and it states that Stanley parent's were William Henry Martin and Kathleen Nicholls.  There seem to a few Stanley Henry Martin's listed, but not the right one with those parent's in England.  But then I don't know when they left for Australia.Diane TWisconsin USASent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message --------From: [email protected] Date: 10/30/19 12:14 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Surname MARTIN Hi,I have been reading with interest stories about the Blizzard very interesting. May I ask if anyone can help me as to where I may locate Stanley Henry Martin Born about 1891 with parents William & Caroline or Catherine.  I am researching this person for a family friend. I have been visiting the Morman church just down the road from my house but the films 4635201 and 4635218 are not available. Does this mean they have not yet been digitized. What else should I be doing? I have Stanley married in Australia and on the Electoral Rolls & his AIF records. His death is on our Cemetery Data Base. Regards Liz Langford._______________________________________________------------------------------------------The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devonhttp://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you for your reply, Stanley's parents are William Henry Martin & Kathleen Nicholls married in Plympton St Mary 1874 but I believe Kathleen could be Catherine or Caroline which is on all of the Census that I have. Other children, William John 1875, George Henry 1878, Frederick Charles 1882, Emily Lina 1888, Samuel Henry 1891, Lillian Amelia Ellen 1893. Stanley's marriage Certificate in 1915 in Australia married Mary Kenny says he was Born Plympton Devonshire England age 24 & a Carpenter. His AIF papers say he was in the Territorials for 1 year & resigned to leave the country. He joined the AIF in 1917. I can't seem to find him coming to Australia. Having read about the Blizzard I wondered if he had moved away from England. I must be missing something, Regards Liz. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rendle Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 7:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Surname MARTIN Hi Liz Do you have any other information about the parents, any other children or where Stanley was born? When did Stanley go to Australia and was it with his parents? Regards Mike Rendle Salisbury UK Sent from my iPad > On 30 Oct 2019, at 05:13, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been reading with interest stories about the Blizzard very > interesting. May I ask if anyone can help me as to where I may locate > Stanley Henry Martin Born about 1891 with parents William & Caroline or > Catherine. I am researching this person for a family friend. I have been > visiting the Morman church just down the road from my house but the films > 4635201 and 4635218 are not available. Does this mean they have not yet > been digitized. > > What else should I be doing? I have Stanley married in Australia and on > the Electoral Rolls & his AIF records. His death is on our Cemetery Data > Base. > > > Regards > > Liz Langford. > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Liz Do you have any other information about the parents, any other children or where Stanley was born? When did Stanley go to Australia and was it with his parents? Regards Mike Rendle Salisbury UK Sent from my iPad > On 30 Oct 2019, at 05:13, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been reading with interest stories about the Blizzard very interesting. May I ask if anyone can help me as to where I may locate Stanley Henry Martin Born about 1891 with parents William & Caroline or Catherine. I am researching this person for a family friend. I have been visiting the Morman church just down the road from my house but the films 4635201 and 4635218 are not available. Does this mean they have not yet been digitized. > > What else should I be doing? I have Stanley married in Australia and on the Electoral Rolls & his AIF records. His death is on our Cemetery Data Base. > > > Regards > > Liz Langford. > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, I have been reading with interest stories about the Blizzard very interesting. May I ask if anyone can help me as to where I may locate Stanley Henry Martin Born about 1891 with parents William & Caroline or Catherine. I am researching this person for a family friend. I have been visiting the Morman church just down the road from my house but the films 4635201 and 4635218 are not available. Does this mean they have not yet been digitized. What else should I be doing? I have Stanley married in Australia and on the Electoral Rolls & his AIF records. His death is on our Cemetery Data Base. Regards Liz Langford.

This book is amazing! Nothing unfortunately re Edmonds/Shebbear/Black Torrington/SheepwashCheersmeriThe blizzard in the West : being a record and story of the disastrous storm which raged throughout Devon and Cornwall, and West Somerset, on the night of March 9th, 1891 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive | | | | | | | | | | | The blizzard in the West : being a record and story of the disastrous st... | | | On Monday, 28 October 2019, 05:03:44 am AWST, Wayne Shepheard <[email protected]> wrote: To Paul's question, I have researched the event in publications and newspapers and have a large collection of reports. What I am specifically looking for are stories of individuals and families who experienced the event whose names may not be attached to any published article. Stories told by survivors to their offspring and descendants will add to the compilation I am making. Wayne On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 9:44 AM Paul Hockie via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Wayne, > > Have you used newspapers, either FMP or British Library.  Search using different place names and different terms for blizzard - storm, winds etc. Also stories were syndicated so you will find articles in papers across the country. > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Shepheard [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 26 October 2019 15:44 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] The Blizzard of 1891 > > I would like to hear from anyone whose ancestors were in Cornwall, > Devon or Somerset when the Great Blizzard of 1891 hit the region > (March 9th). I am compiling stories concerning the event that may have > been passed down through the generations. > > You can respond here or email me at wshepheard at shaw dot ca. > > Wayne Shepheard > OPC for Cornwood, Harford, Plympton St. Mary & Plympton St. Maurice > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I agree, browsing through a parish register is a very worthwhile exercise. I do it a lot, in a couple of Registers I use frequently the names are so familiar I find myself saying ‘hello’.. bit sad. As you say, all sorts of things pop up. It gives you a much better feel for the community than just reading one off bits of the register. It also helps with handwriting. But I do need to know that the register exists in the first place. So as you say, the websites could do better there. I’m not complaining about standards of transcription .. how could I when I have all the benefits but don’t personally volunteer. I know how hard it is and I doubt I could do better, if as well. It seems to me that some of the points we’ve all raised here are to do with what era your research began in. Perhaps having to start from the ground up using actual documents in archives etc helps to built a more thorough knowledge of the sources. I love the internet but it sometimes feels very hard to see the whole picture. If I have a real book in front of me I can get a sense of what the whole book has to offer very quickly. That is much more difficult with a digital book. Sometimes I can’t even tell if a page is missing or if I’ve turned over two pages. I’m learning all the time about what records exist and how to access them. And I appreciate all the expertise that these lists in particular provide. So thank you everyone. Jane > On 29 Oct 2019, at 21:14, Mike Gould <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's not often that I will jump to the defence of the subscription websites, but in this case, I don't think they are entirely to blame and I don't think it is necessarily a quality standard issue. We all know how long it takes to transcribe a complete set of records accurately, so when they get a new set of Parish Register images in, they could wait until they have all been transcribed, in which case we have to wait a long time, or they could do what they often do - upload the images so that we can browse them, and follow up with the transcriptions, and index, as and when they become available. I don't think it's a bad thing that we sometimes need to browse Parish Registers - it does help to become acquainted with the Parish that you are researching. Sometimes things turn up that you simply wouldn't find by using an index and viewing the resultant record. For example, you may find years where the baptisms appear to be very sparse, then the name of the vicar changes and all of a sudden, lots of children are being baptised. If your ancestor is one of these, it would be wise not to assume that he or she has been baptised as an infant, but rather that an enthusiastic new vicar is putting pressure on the families to have any unbaptised children baptised! Now I will concede that these websites could do more to alert their customers to the presence of these un-indexed register images, but once you find out about them, why not use them to get to know the records, the parish and the families that you are researching. It can pay dividends in the long run. > > Best wishes > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Hockie via DEVON <[email protected]> > Sent: 29 October 2019 18:22 > To: [email protected] > Cc: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> > Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP >

Thanks for that Mike.. I’ve used 4bears on and off but I think I’d forgotten about this south hams specific site. I keep trying to produce a definitive list of sources but something is always missed. Jane On 29 Oct 2019, at 19:55, Mike Rendle <[email protected]> wrote: > > It’s also worth mentioning a couple of other websites. > > 1. South Hams Parish Records: http://our4bears.net/parishes/parishes_intro.htm with transcriptions and lookups covering: > > Ashprington, Aveton Gifford, Berry Pomeroy, Bigbury, Blackawton, Buckfastleigh, Buckland Tout Saints, Charleton, Chivelstone, Churchstow, Cornwood, Cornworthy, Dartington, Dartmouth, Dean Prior, Diptford, Dittisham, Dodbrooke, East Allington, East Portlemouth, Ermington, Halwell, Harberton, Harford, Holbeton, Holne, Kingsbridge, Kingston, Loddiswell, Malborough, Modbury, Moreleigh, North Huish, Rattery, Ringmore, Salcombe, Sherford, Slapton, South Brent, South Huish, South Milton, South Pool, Staverton, Stoke Fleming, Stoke Gabriel, Stokenham, Strete (Street), Thurlestone, Totnes, Ugborough, West Alvington, Woodleigh > > 2. FreeReg covering parishes in many counties including some in Devon: https://www.freereg.org.uk/ > > BTW: I’ve changed the subject line to reflect the changed topic of conversation. > > Best regards. > > Mike Rendle > DFHS 21563 > > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:40, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > A good time to remind you that not all Devon registers are on FMP, register images for no fewer than 50 parishes are exclusively on the Devon Family History Society's members' only area of the website- www.devonfhs.org.uk<http://www.devonfhs.org.uk>. There is an ongoing Society project to index these registers. > > Parish Register images available to Members, from the earliest registers available to 1915: > Abbotskerswell, Arlington, Aveton Gifford, Axminster, Bigbury, Bow, Bratton Fleming, Challacombe, Chardstock, Clannaborough, Clayhidon, Coffinswell, Coleridge, Combpyne, Cullompton, Culmstock, Exeter St. Matthew, Exeter St. Sidwell, Hawkchurch, Hemyock, Holsworthy, Ilsington, Kennerleigh, Kentisbury, Kingskerswell, Kingston, Lapford, Loddiswell, Loxhore, Malborough, Mary Tavy, Milton Damarel, Modbury, Morchard Bishop, Nymet Rowland, Peter Tavy, Plymtree, Ringmore, Salcombe, Shirwell, South Huish, Stockleigh English, Stockleigh Pomeroy, Stoke Rivers, Torquay Torwood Holy Trinity, Torquay St. Marks, Torquay St. Matthias, Washford Pyne, Withycombe Raleigh, Woodleigh, Woolfardisworthy East, Zeal Monachorum. > > Terry > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Bev Did you mean Seale? There’s the odd Searle in Dartmouth I think but that’s all. I know when I first saw Seale some years ago I got quite excited thinking it was bound to be a misprinted/mistranscribed Searle. But it is definitely Seale The Searle name is mainly confined to Staverton and some surrounding parishes where they are so intermarried it feels like one very big family. But thank you anyway .. I do have that site booked marked but it’s good to be reminded. Jane > On 29 Oct 2019, at 20:33, B. Edmonds <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Jane > > You may find something on the SEARLE family in the Searle Papers at Dartmouth Archives > > http://www.dartmouth-history.org.uk/dartmouth/main.asp# > > Go to Search > > Regards > Bev > -------------------------------------------------- >

It is my understanding that the mixed results are more about ethnicity than anything else and that would have solely to do with a variety of DNA programs that are used. As interesting as ethnicity is, the main reason for both my husband and I doing the DNA was to find blood relatives, not ones that were speculated by someone's tree My husband never even knew he was adopted and found out quite by accident, at the age of 55. At the age of 75 he has now found a number of 1st cousins (he never had even one before then) and being born in England he was even more surprised to find they all lived not more than a day's drive from where we live in BC, Canada. His family tree has grown immensely and finding blood relatives, he never had before, has enriched his life. I have also solved the 100+ year "secret" of who my maternal great grandfather was. My grandmother went to her grave never knowing who he was and DNA helped me solve that mystery as well. Judy BC Canada ________________________________ From: Paul Hockie via DEVON <[email protected]> Sent: October 29, 2019 4:12 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Just a couple of points. It wasn't the family trees that is my cause for complaint, I gave up on them with the IGI. It is the poor quality of the indexing. I may have some faith in DNA when somebody can explain why identical twins were given different results and why, when a genetics lab in Cambridge sent 5 samples to 5 suppliers, they got 5 different results, none of which were correct. The lab said Ancestry's tests were crude and the technology used, outdated. Their results are not reliable. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 22:30 To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie Subject: RE: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Hi group, I understand what you are saying, Paul, that sometimes it seems the 'quality' of what's available at Ancestry and Family Search has declined as more people add info that seem willy-nilly and unproven. That is true I think, but it was bound to happen as more and more people create trees and share info. No doubt interest has increased, regarding the advertising Ancestry.com has had, the "Who Do You Think You Are," series, and various 'Roots' series. Some of the Family Search 'messed up' trees is I think due to the LDS members have a religious need to have a tree and sometimes it gets unproven, assumed info and then sealed, which seems to stop all further research. Very annoying and just not right, in my opinion. I know of no way to solve that problem. No doubt many people are intrigued by the television productions, especially those who love history...and it probably hasn't hurt that celebrities were most often the subject of family research. (I kept wishing Ancestry would adopt me and hold my hand going around the world to track down family, lol..I have a very ordinary, interesting famiy...the most ordinary people have amazing histories just waiting to be discovered)...and I suspect that many people who saw / see Ancestry ads about finding a 'leaf' to lead them to wonderful information about their family, were drawn to do a trial and to perhaps do the easy Ancestry DNA autosomal cousin-matching test. That advertising was bound to attract a lot of attention from anyone with a bit of curiosity. When building a tree doesn't turn out to be super easy, some people no doubt stop, because good research is time consuming...and addicting, I might add. I know that when I began researching end of 1998 when the internet was still in its infancy, I jumped in with both feet and not a clue as to how to research. But I learned. I found FREE sites, among them the USA's Genweb that during the timeframe from about 2000-2015 was fantastic...almost every state and many counties in each state had volunteers gathering county records and any contributed records, making them available for FREE to anyone who clicked...records usually grouped and often indexed to search. (marriage, deaths, cemeteries before FindAGrave was as good as it is now, wills, church records, biographies...etc). There was also Genealogy.com, Rootsweb, Ancestry and a few small sites, PLUS there were the very active FREE Message Boards. I was in Heaven, asking questions, sharing whatever I had learned on my own lines...and I jumped in when I could to help other people, especially if someone had a question in the same area I was researching.. Eventually, many of the weary volunteers and 'list moms' have given up trying to keep up the pace of administrating message boards and US Genweb sites...and the Rootsweb chat list like this DEVON group. (I just checkws US Genweb and it looks reorganized, so I shall check it again, YAY! http://usgwarchives.net/ and also https://www.usgenweb.org/ ) I am hoping the days of volunteers and FREE searchable sites are still available, and it seems the Genweb is still functioning. Meanwhile, things on the PAY sites are a bit more streamlined, much better indexing and growing archives. I suppose that some people do quit researching because they think they have found all the available information, but I am not among those people. I keep returning to various individuals and lines to see if there is anything new available and lo and behold, there often is something new...sometimes I find I have been thrown off the trail and new info from growing archives and research is enlightening. The opportunity to DNA test has opened up new avenues to connecting with people who are related, people who sometimes have photos, bibles, a family story that helps fill a void in my family.... As helpful (and I've mentioned this previously) as are the Public trees on Ancestry.com, they do have their pros and cons and errors. But as I said, so do the published histories in brick and mortar libraries, often collecting dust...books full of early data compiled by hardworking researchers. The digitized archives are such a valuable resource, and the compiled family trees are better to have to not have available....they can be a starting point for proving or disproving research. For anyone interested, check out this link and be sure to note the 'Bundles' for special pricing. There are also periodic sales that offer nice discounts.... https://www.familytreedna.com/products This company is based in Houston Texas. It is huge and tests people around the world. (my brother for instance lives in Norway). They do have 'health' tests now, but their main focus is Genealogy. They use University of Arizona labs. As I said, I've used them since 2005 for testing my WILLIAMS paternal line, my husband's STANALAND line, his maternal BROCK line, my maternal McLAIN (Clan MacLEAN) line, myself and my mother for maternal DNA and cousin-matching Family Finder...and all the upper case Male lines have been tested on Family Finder as well as maximum 111 markers, + I've done the BigY700 on McLAIN, WILLIAMS and STANALAND. I also tested myself and my husband at Ancestry.com...their cousin-matching test. In spite of the easy and helpful Ancestry DNA testing, I do recommend that a serious researcher check out Family Tree DNA / FTDNA for the wealth of testing available...administrated surname and location and specialty groups of people who have tested...the opportunity to test male-line YDNA surnames (son, father, grandfather, gr grandfather and on back on the male line)...and female mtDNA line testing, Family Finder cousin-matching, specific markers / SNPs testing to help group matched people, and IMPORTANT, some very well educated genetic scientists who can help answer a question, and some of those smart people are working on the BigY700 test that is a bit like hearing there is a billion dollar lottery worth of info. It is not inexpensive, so I've spread testing lines out over the years, starting back in 2005...increasing the levels tested as time passes. Yes, I research a lot in USA records, but my lines didn't spring from the Earth here, lol, so I have often had need to cross the pond to the British Isles, The Netherlands, Germany....and I could use help with records in France, etc. I have in the past been able to communicate with a Rootsweb group for the Eifel region in Germany...wonderful group. Ancestry's archives...and Family Search also (LDS archives) can help, but people like you on the DEVON Rootsweb site have access that probably only devoted researchers discover. There is always, always, always more to be found...that is my mantra. Did I mention Facebook? I'm on various groups there that include specific states or counties in the USA, or special markers (the Z18 group of DNA markers that is often called the Viking Marker ...my husband has it)...and a group for Irish, Celtic, Scandinavian and Scottish, etc..so there are Facebook discussion groups. I remain positive that there are still an enormous number of people researching their families and studying history. And I remain positive that the archives and opportunities and revelations from DNA testing are increasing the databanks of information and proving records and documents. Sorry for going on. I do see a need to have my own software for my research and am relying on Family Tree, nothing to do with the DNA company, just a similar name. At some point, I will have to try and wind up and feel my tree is as 'done' as I can make it in my lifetime. I'll do my best to preserve my research for future generations, and hopefully for descendants who begin to wonder, "What are my roots?"... maybe they will pick up my research, fill in where I could not and continue to build the tree. Best wishes to all of this group and wonderful volunteers! Audrey Harriet Williams Stanaland Denver, North Carolina 28037 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:22 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP I have fond that over the last few years FMP, Ancestry and , sadly, FamilySearch seem to have dropped all quality standards in the rush to add records while switch their revenue stream to dubious DNA tests. Some of the problems include - up to six entries for the same event with one having an image attached - pdfs indexed by name only but with no name date or place listed in the results, requiring each to be opened - results with just blanks. I opened one of these and found it was a blank page. I have also found LDS film headers. - results with names and no other information, again requiring each one to be opened. I have also found that "variants", with the possible exception of FamilySearch Soundex, are getting more "flexible" with ticking the box to allow name variants adds thousands of improbable names to what was a manageable list. Same goes for "hints". I suspect that the pay sites are finding that many of the Family Historians who were inspired by Who Do You Think You Are have either given up or have slowly worked their way through what is already available and only need a subscription for new additions. These poor search results mean we are slowed down and need to continue our subscriptions longer than necessary. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 17:25 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Thanks Mike and Adrien.. at least I’m not going mad. I was secretly worried I was doing something completely dim. Yes.. I realised that an 1860 search (or thereabouts) produces no results, and results end c1813/1814. That’s why I was puzzled because there’s a whole register of stuff going up to 1915. So I suspected that there was no Index, but FMP don’t says that about those record sets in the ‘Browse’ category. But I also find sometimes that some Registers stop around the time civil registration began in 1837. I don’t know why the FMP ‘agent’ who responded to my question couldn’t tell me that. Well.. at least it gives me heart to plough through the Wembury area registers. I have several missing people there and Dartmouth. One or two is to be expected, but so many disappearances I think is suspect. I’ll try the ± 20 years option as well. As you say, if I can narrow down a year then it’s not too difficult to skip through a register. Thanks again Jane. > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:10, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials > at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from > 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. > > But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y > of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they > creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one > register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the > image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR > Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for > the first few pages. > > Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. > > But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that > there should be something there - doing a search for any name within > 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the > gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, > though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. > > NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath > the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for > an image on FMP. > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have been researching for over 40 years and when I had my DNA done last year with Ancestry I found they were spot on – even to the odd offshoot on one line. I must admit I was very surprised and they also showed cousins that I knew were correct – so far no complaints. As regards indexing – yes it is terrible and you must remember that a lot of indexers do not have knowledge of the language they are transcribing not to mention the hand writing in the first case is had to read. Many years ago I was researching a parish register and was complaining about the person’s handwriting only to find later that the person was an ancestor. Literate but not to modern day standards I also found that in one case the indexer was spot on as the name was written as HAND – even signed that way by the bridegroom when his name was HAM. Go figure……….. Regards Marie Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Paul Hockie via DEVON Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2019 10:13 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Just a couple of points. It wasn't the family trees that is my cause for complaint, I gave up on them with the IGI. It is the poor quality of the indexing. I may have some faith in DNA when somebody can explain why identical twins were given different results and why, when a genetics lab in Cambridge sent 5 samples to 5 suppliers, they got 5 different results, none of which were correct. The lab said Ancestry's tests were crude and the technology used, outdated. Their results are not reliable. Cheers Paul

Just a couple of points. It wasn't the family trees that is my cause for complaint, I gave up on them with the IGI. It is the poor quality of the indexing. I may have some faith in DNA when somebody can explain why identical twins were given different results and why, when a genetics lab in Cambridge sent 5 samples to 5 suppliers, they got 5 different results, none of which were correct. The lab said Ancestry's tests were crude and the technology used, outdated. Their results are not reliable. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 22:30 To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie Subject: RE: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Hi group, I understand what you are saying, Paul, that sometimes it seems the 'quality' of what's available at Ancestry and Family Search has declined as more people add info that seem willy-nilly and unproven. That is true I think, but it was bound to happen as more and more people create trees and share info. No doubt interest has increased, regarding the advertising Ancestry.com has had, the "Who Do You Think You Are," series, and various 'Roots' series. Some of the Family Search 'messed up' trees is I think due to the LDS members have a religious need to have a tree and sometimes it gets unproven, assumed info and then sealed, which seems to stop all further research. Very annoying and just not right, in my opinion. I know of no way to solve that problem. No doubt many people are intrigued by the television productions, especially those who love history...and it probably hasn't hurt that celebrities were most often the subject of family research. (I kept wishing Ancestry would adopt me and hold my hand going around the world to track down family, lol..I have a very ordinary, interesting famiy...the most ordinary people have amazing histories just waiting to be discovered)...and I suspect that many people who saw / see Ancestry ads about finding a 'leaf' to lead them to wonderful information about their family, were drawn to do a trial and to perhaps do the easy Ancestry DNA autosomal cousin-matching test. That advertising was bound to attract a lot of attention from anyone with a bit of curiosity. When building a tree doesn't turn out to be super easy, some people no doubt stop, because good research is time consuming...and addicting, I might add. I know that when I began researching end of 1998 when the internet was still in its infancy, I jumped in with both feet and not a clue as to how to research. But I learned. I found FREE sites, among them the USA's Genweb that during the timeframe from about 2000-2015 was fantastic...almost every state and many counties in each state had volunteers gathering county records and any contributed records, making them available for FREE to anyone who clicked...records usually grouped and often indexed to search. (marriage, deaths, cemeteries before FindAGrave was as good as it is now, wills, church records, biographies...etc). There was also Genealogy.com, Rootsweb, Ancestry and a few small sites, PLUS there were the very active FREE Message Boards. I was in Heaven, asking questions, sharing whatever I had learned on my own lines...and I jumped in when I could to help other people, especially if someone had a question in the same area I was researching.. Eventually, many of the weary volunteers and 'list moms' have given up trying to keep up the pace of administrating message boards and US Genweb sites...and the Rootsweb chat list like this DEVON group. (I just checkws US Genweb and it looks reorganized, so I shall check it again, YAY! http://usgwarchives.net/ and also https://www.usgenweb.org/ ) I am hoping the days of volunteers and FREE searchable sites are still available, and it seems the Genweb is still functioning. Meanwhile, things on the PAY sites are a bit more streamlined, much better indexing and growing archives. I suppose that some people do quit researching because they think they have found all the available information, but I am not among those people. I keep returning to various individuals and lines to see if there is anything new available and lo and behold, there often is something new...sometimes I find I have been thrown off the trail and new info from growing archives and research is enlightening. The opportunity to DNA test has opened up new avenues to connecting with people who are related, people who sometimes have photos, bibles, a family story that helps fill a void in my family.... As helpful (and I've mentioned this previously) as are the Public trees on Ancestry.com, they do have their pros and cons and errors. But as I said, so do the published histories in brick and mortar libraries, often collecting dust...books full of early data compiled by hardworking researchers. The digitized archives are such a valuable resource, and the compiled family trees are better to have to not have available....they can be a starting point for proving or disproving research. For anyone interested, check out this link and be sure to note the 'Bundles' for special pricing. There are also periodic sales that offer nice discounts.... https://www.familytreedna.com/products This company is based in Houston Texas. It is huge and tests people around the world. (my brother for instance lives in Norway). They do have 'health' tests now, but their main focus is Genealogy. They use University of Arizona labs. As I said, I've used them since 2005 for testing my WILLIAMS paternal line, my husband's STANALAND line, his maternal BROCK line, my maternal McLAIN (Clan MacLEAN) line, myself and my mother for maternal DNA and cousin-matching Family Finder...and all the upper case Male lines have been tested on Family Finder as well as maximum 111 markers, + I've done the BigY700 on McLAIN, WILLIAMS and STANALAND. I also tested myself and my husband at Ancestry.com...their cousin-matching test. In spite of the easy and helpful Ancestry DNA testing, I do recommend that a serious researcher check out Family Tree DNA / FTDNA for the wealth of testing available...administrated surname and location and specialty groups of people who have tested...the opportunity to test male-line YDNA surnames (son, father, grandfather, gr grandfather and on back on the male line)...and female mtDNA line testing, Family Finder cousin-matching, specific markers / SNPs testing to help group matched people, and IMPORTANT, some very well educated genetic scientists who can help answer a question, and some of those smart people are working on the BigY700 test that is a bit like hearing there is a billion dollar lottery worth of info. It is not inexpensive, so I've spread testing lines out over the years, starting back in 2005...increasing the levels tested as time passes. Yes, I research a lot in USA records, but my lines didn't spring from the Earth here, lol, so I have often had need to cross the pond to the British Isles, The Netherlands, Germany....and I could use help with records in France, etc. I have in the past been able to communicate with a Rootsweb group for the Eifel region in Germany...wonderful group. Ancestry's archives...and Family Search also (LDS archives) can help, but people like you on the DEVON Rootsweb site have access that probably only devoted researchers discover. There is always, always, always more to be found...that is my mantra. Did I mention Facebook? I'm on various groups there that include specific states or counties in the USA, or special markers (the Z18 group of DNA markers that is often called the Viking Marker ...my husband has it)...and a group for Irish, Celtic, Scandinavian and Scottish, etc..so there are Facebook discussion groups. I remain positive that there are still an enormous number of people researching their families and studying history. And I remain positive that the archives and opportunities and revelations from DNA testing are increasing the databanks of information and proving records and documents. Sorry for going on. I do see a need to have my own software for my research and am relying on Family Tree, nothing to do with the DNA company, just a similar name. At some point, I will have to try and wind up and feel my tree is as 'done' as I can make it in my lifetime. I'll do my best to preserve my research for future generations, and hopefully for descendants who begin to wonder, "What are my roots?"... maybe they will pick up my research, fill in where I could not and continue to build the tree. Best wishes to all of this group and wonderful volunteers! Audrey Harriet Williams Stanaland Denver, North Carolina 28037 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:22 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP I have fond that over the last few years FMP, Ancestry and , sadly, FamilySearch seem to have dropped all quality standards in the rush to add records while switch their revenue stream to dubious DNA tests. Some of the problems include - up to six entries for the same event with one having an image attached - pdfs indexed by name only but with no name date or place listed in the results, requiring each to be opened - results with just blanks. I opened one of these and found it was a blank page. I have also found LDS film headers. - results with names and no other information, again requiring each one to be opened. I have also found that "variants", with the possible exception of FamilySearch Soundex, are getting more "flexible" with ticking the box to allow name variants adds thousands of improbable names to what was a manageable list. Same goes for "hints". I suspect that the pay sites are finding that many of the Family Historians who were inspired by Who Do You Think You Are have either given up or have slowly worked their way through what is already available and only need a subscription for new additions. These poor search results mean we are slowed down and need to continue our subscriptions longer than necessary. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 17:25 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Thanks Mike and Adrien.. at least I’m not going mad. I was secretly worried I was doing something completely dim. Yes.. I realised that an 1860 search (or thereabouts) produces no results, and results end c1813/1814. That’s why I was puzzled because there’s a whole register of stuff going up to 1915. So I suspected that there was no Index, but FMP don’t says that about those record sets in the ‘Browse’ category. But I also find sometimes that some Registers stop around the time civil registration began in 1837. I don’t know why the FMP ‘agent’ who responded to my question couldn’t tell me that. Well.. at least it gives me heart to plough through the Wembury area registers. I have several missing people there and Dartmouth. One or two is to be expected, but so many disappearances I think is suspect. I’ll try the ± 20 years option as well. As you say, if I can narrow down a year then it’s not too difficult to skip through a register. Thanks again Jane. > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:10, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials > at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from > 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. > > But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y > of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they > creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one > register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the > image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR > Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for > the first few pages. > > Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. > > But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that > there should be something there - doing a search for any name within > 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the > gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, > though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. > > NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath > the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for > an image on FMP. > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

While I agree that browsing can be useful, I don't think this exonerates the subscription websites. Many of the problems are a failure to invest in industrial strength databases and process quality. Every indexed item should have as a minimum a name, place and date together with a working convention on spelling of names and places. It the user wants to browse then a place/category search should be available. We know that , apart from the high quality indexing by the Family History societies, indexing has been outsourced to prison and overseas "call-centres" with little or no knowledge of culture, names and places. FMP have been given an exclusive 10 year contract for the 1921 census which will require an additional subscription. Back to browsing, FamilySearch started to image their microfilms a few years ago with a view to putting them on line with open access. Archives, many of whom had provided access to registers etc. via the FamilySearch films (almost every one I ever visited) have started restricting FamilySearch in order to sell the rights to the pay sites. Apart from a few honourable archives you need to go to a FamilySearch (associate) library to browse the images instead of the comfort of our own PC. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Mike Gould [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 21:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP It's not often that I will jump to the defence of the subscription websites, but in this case, I don't think they are entirely to blame and I don't think it is necessarily a quality standard issue. We all know how long it takes to transcribe a complete set of records accurately, so when they get a new set of Parish Register images in, they could wait until they have all been transcribed, in which case we have to wait a long time, or they could do what they often do - upload the images so that we can browse them, and follow up with the transcriptions, and index, as and when they become available. I don't think it's a bad thing that we sometimes need to browse Parish Registers - it does help to become acquainted with the Parish that you are researching. Sometimes things turn up that you simply wouldn't find by using an index and viewing the resultant record. For example, you may find years where the baptisms appear to be very sparse, then the name of the vicar changes and all of a sudden, lots of children are being baptised. If your ancestor is one of these, it would be wise not to assume that he or she has been baptised as an infant, but rather that an enthusiastic new vicar is putting pressure on the families to have any unbaptised children baptised! Now I will concede that these websites could do more to alert their customers to the presence of these un-indexed register images, but once you find out about them, why not use them to get to know the records, the parish and the families that you are researching. It can pay dividends in the long run. Best wishes Mike Gould Leicestershire

Hi group, I understand what you are saying, Paul, that sometimes it seems the 'quality' of what's available at Ancestry and Family Search has declined as more people add info that seem willy-nilly and unproven. That is true I think, but it was bound to happen as more and more people create trees and share info. No doubt interest has increased, regarding the advertising Ancestry.com has had, the "Who Do You Think You Are," series, and various 'Roots' series. Some of the Family Search 'messed up' trees is I think due to the LDS members have a religious need to have a tree and sometimes it gets unproven, assumed info and then sealed, which seems to stop all further research. Very annoying and just not right, in my opinion. I know of no way to solve that problem. No doubt many people are intrigued by the television productions, especially those who love history...and it probably hasn't hurt that celebrities were most often the subject of family research. (I kept wishing Ancestry would adopt me and hold my hand going around the world to track down family, lol..I have a very ordinary, interesting famiy...the most ordinary people have amazing histories just waiting to be discovered)...and I suspect that many people who saw / see Ancestry ads about finding a 'leaf' to lead them to wonderful information about their family, were drawn to do a trial and to perhaps do the easy Ancestry DNA autosomal cousin-matching test. That advertising was bound to attract a lot of attention from anyone with a bit of curiosity. When building a tree doesn't turn out to be super easy, some people no doubt stop, because good research is time consuming...and addicting, I might add. I know that when I began researching end of 1998 when the internet was still in its infancy, I jumped in with both feet and not a clue as to how to research. But I learned. I found FREE sites, among them the USA's Genweb that during the timeframe from about 2000-2015 was fantastic...almost every state and many counties in each state had volunteers gathering county records and any contributed records, making them available for FREE to anyone who clicked...records usually grouped and often indexed to search. (marriage, deaths, cemeteries before FindAGrave was as good as it is now, wills, church records, biographies...etc). There was also Genealogy.com, Rootsweb, Ancestry and a few small sites, PLUS there were the very active FREE Message Boards. I was in Heaven, asking questions, sharing whatever I had learned on my own lines...and I jumped in when I could to help other people, especially if someone had a question in the same area I was researching.. Eventually, many of the weary volunteers and 'list moms' have given up trying to keep up the pace of administrating message boards and US Genweb sites...and the Rootsweb chat list like this DEVON group. (I just checkws US Genweb and it looks reorganized, so I shall check it again, YAY! http://usgwarchives.net/ and also https://www.usgenweb.org/ ) I am hoping the days of volunteers and FREE searchable sites are still available, and it seems the Genweb is still functioning. Meanwhile, things on the PAY sites are a bit more streamlined, much better indexing and growing archives. I suppose that some people do quit researching because they think they have found all the available information, but I am not among those people. I keep returning to various individuals and lines to see if there is anything new available and lo and behold, there often is something new...sometimes I find I have been thrown off the trail and new info from growing archives and research is enlightening. The opportunity to DNA test has opened up new avenues to connecting with people who are related, people who sometimes have photos, bibles, a family story that helps fill a void in my family.... As helpful (and I've mentioned this previously) as are the Public trees on Ancestry.com, they do have their pros and cons and errors. But as I said, so do the published histories in brick and mortar libraries, often collecting dust...books full of early data compiled by hardworking researchers. The digitized archives are such a valuable resource, and the compiled family trees are better to have to not have available....they can be a starting point for proving or disproving research. For anyone interested, check out this link and be sure to note the 'Bundles' for special pricing. There are also periodic sales that offer nice discounts.... https://www.familytreedna.com/products This company is based in Houston Texas. It is huge and tests people around the world. (my brother for instance lives in Norway). They do have 'health' tests now, but their main focus is Genealogy. They use University of Arizona labs. As I said, I've used them since 2005 for testing my WILLIAMS paternal line, my husband's STANALAND line, his maternal BROCK line, my maternal McLAIN (Clan MacLEAN) line, myself and my mother for maternal DNA and cousin-matching Family Finder...and all the upper case Male lines have been tested on Family Finder as well as maximum 111 markers, + I've done the BigY700 on McLAIN, WILLIAMS and STANALAND. I also tested myself and my husband at Ancestry.com...their cousin-matching test. In spite of the easy and helpful Ancestry DNA testing, I do recommend that a serious researcher check out Family Tree DNA / FTDNA for the wealth of testing available...administrated surname and location and specialty groups of people who have tested...the opportunity to test male-line YDNA surnames (son, father, grandfather, gr grandfather and on back on the male line)...and female mtDNA line testing, Family Finder cousin-matching, specific markers / SNPs testing to help group matched people, and IMPORTANT, some very well educated genetic scientists who can help answer a question, and some of those smart people are working on the BigY700 test that is a bit like hearing there is a billion dollar lottery worth of info. It is not inexpensive, so I've spread testing lines out over the years, starting back in 2005...increasing the levels tested as time passes. Yes, I research a lot in USA records, but my lines didn't spring from the Earth here, lol, so I have often had need to cross the pond to the British Isles, The Netherlands, Germany....and I could use help with records in France, etc. I have in the past been able to communicate with a Rootsweb group for the Eifel region in Germany...wonderful group. Ancestry's archives...and Family Search also (LDS archives) can help, but people like you on the DEVON Rootsweb site have access that probably only devoted researchers discover. There is always, always, always more to be found...that is my mantra. Did I mention Facebook? I'm on various groups there that include specific states or counties in the USA, or special markers (the Z18 group of DNA markers that is often called the Viking Marker ...my husband has it)...and a group for Irish, Celtic, Scandinavian and Scottish, etc..so there are Facebook discussion groups. I remain positive that there are still an enormous number of people researching their families and studying history. And I remain positive that the archives and opportunities and revelations from DNA testing are increasing the databanks of information and proving records and documents. Sorry for going on. I do see a need to have my own software for my research and am relying on Family Tree, nothing to do with the DNA company, just a similar name. At some point, I will have to try and wind up and feel my tree is as 'done' as I can make it in my lifetime. I'll do my best to preserve my research for future generations, and hopefully for descendants who begin to wonder, "What are my roots?"... maybe they will pick up my research, fill in where I could not and continue to build the tree. Best wishes to all of this group and wonderful volunteers! Audrey Harriet Williams Stanaland Denver, North Carolina 28037 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 2:22 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP I have fond that over the last few years FMP, Ancestry and , sadly, FamilySearch seem to have dropped all quality standards in the rush to add records while switch their revenue stream to dubious DNA tests. Some of the problems include - up to six entries for the same event with one having an image attached - pdfs indexed by name only but with no name date or place listed in the results, requiring each to be opened - results with just blanks. I opened one of these and found it was a blank page. I have also found LDS film headers. - results with names and no other information, again requiring each one to be opened. I have also found that "variants", with the possible exception of FamilySearch Soundex, are getting more "flexible" with ticking the box to allow name variants adds thousands of improbable names to what was a manageable list. Same goes for "hints". I suspect that the pay sites are finding that many of the Family Historians who were inspired by Who Do You Think You Are have either given up or have slowly worked their way through what is already available and only need a subscription for new additions. These poor search results mean we are slowed down and need to continue our subscriptions longer than necessary. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 17:25 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Name search on FMP Thanks Mike and Adrien.. at least I’m not going mad. I was secretly worried I was doing something completely dim. Yes.. I realised that an 1860 search (or thereabouts) produces no results, and results end c1813/1814. That’s why I was puzzled because there’s a whole register of stuff going up to 1915. So I suspected that there was no Index, but FMP don’t says that about those record sets in the ‘Browse’ category. But I also find sometimes that some Registers stop around the time civil registration began in 1837. I don’t know why the FMP ‘agent’ who responded to my question couldn’t tell me that. Well.. at least it gives me heart to plough through the Wembury area registers. I have several missing people there and Dartmouth. One or two is to be expected, but so many disappearances I think is suspect. I’ll try the ± 20 years option as well. As you say, if I can narrow down a year then it’s not too difficult to skip through a register. Thanks again Jane. > On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:10, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect that they have "lost" the index. If you search for burials > at Staverton within 20y of 1860 (say) - there are none (i.e. none from > 1840-1880). This initially suggests a completely missing register. > > But if you search "Devon Burials" for burials at Staverton within 1y > of 1813, you get 46 results and if you put them in year order, they > creep over the 1813 change (which you have shown is all in one > register). If you choose one of the 1814 examples and look at the > image, it's the same 167 pages as the 167 pages you found in the PR > Browse. So the register is there but not an index for it - except for > the first few pages. > > Whether it was ever indexed, I've no idea. > > But I have lost stuff in Cheshire and - being utterly certain that > there should be something there - doing a search for any name within > 20y (say) of suitably chosen dates can sometimes indicate where the > gaps are. I've never seen a register part indexed like Staverton's, > though, so doing the PR Browse was exactly the right thing to do. > > NB - unlike Ancestry, where you can click to show the index underneath > the image, I know of no way that you can see the index - if any - for > an image on FMP. > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Don't forget Genuki Devon Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rendle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 October 2019 19:54 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Devon Parish Resources It’s also worth mentioning a couple of other websites. 1. South Hams Parish Records: http://our4bears.net/parishes/parishes_intro.htm with transcriptions and lookups covering: Ashprington, Aveton Gifford, Berry Pomeroy, Bigbury, Blackawton, Buckfastleigh, Buckland Tout Saints, Charleton, Chivelstone, Churchstow, Cornwood, Cornworthy, Dartington, Dartmouth, Dean Prior, Diptford, Dittisham, Dodbrooke, East Allington, East Portlemouth, Ermington, Halwell, Harberton, Harford, Holbeton, Holne, Kingsbridge, Kingston, Loddiswell, Malborough, Modbury, Moreleigh, North Huish, Rattery, Ringmore, Salcombe, Sherford, Slapton, South Brent, South Huish, South Milton, South Pool, Staverton, Stoke Fleming, Stoke Gabriel, Stokenham, Strete (Street), Thurlestone, Totnes, Ugborough, West Alvington, Woodleigh 2. FreeReg covering parishes in many counties including some in Devon: https://www.freereg.org.uk/ BTW: I’ve changed the subject line to reflect the changed topic of conversation. Best regards. Mike Rendle DFHS 21563 On 29 Oct 2019, at 17:40, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: A good time to remind you that not all Devon registers are on FMP, register images for no fewer than 50 parishes are exclusively on the Devon Family History Society's members' only area of the website- www.devonfhs.org.uk<http://www.devonfhs.org.uk>. There is an ongoing Society project to index these registers. Parish Register images available to Members, from the earliest registers available to 1915: Abbotskerswell, Arlington, Aveton Gifford, Axminster, Bigbury, Bow, Bratton Fleming, Challacombe, Chardstock, Clannaborough, Clayhidon, Coffinswell, Coleridge, Combpyne, Cullompton, Culmstock, Exeter St. Matthew, Exeter St. Sidwell, Hawkchurch, Hemyock, Holsworthy, Ilsington, Kennerleigh, Kentisbury, Kingskerswell, Kingston, Lapford, Loddiswell, Loxhore, Malborough, Mary Tavy, Milton Damarel, Modbury, Morchard Bishop, Nymet Rowland, Peter Tavy, Plymtree, Ringmore, Salcombe, Shirwell, South Huish, Stockleigh English, Stockleigh Pomeroy, Stoke Rivers, Torquay Torwood Holy Trinity, Torquay St. Marks, Torquay St. Matthias, Washford Pyne, Withycombe Raleigh, Woodleigh, Woolfardisworthy East, Zeal Monachorum. Terry _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Joy: Thanks for posting this link. I’ve added it to the citation on the book in the GENUKI page "Published Books and Articles on Devon History” (at https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/History/HistoryBooks). Cheers Brian PS Needless to say, I’m grateful to receive details of any other books that should be but aren’t yet listed on GENUKI/Devon. > On 29 Oct 2019, at 19:28, joy.langdon--- via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There is a book " The Blizzard in the West: Being a Record and Story of the Disastrous Storm Which Raged Throughout Devon and Cornwall, and West Somerset, on the Night of March 9Th, 1891" on archive.org > https://archive.org/details/blizzardinwestbe00londiala/page/n4 > > Joy > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jacqueline Davidson" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, 29 Oct, 2019 At 18:56 > Subject: [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: The Blizzard of 1891 > Is someone writing a book, or has one been written about this blizzard? I > would like to know the title and author. I can suggest a book called The > Children's Blizzard, about one in the USA. > Thank you, > Jackie in Mississippi > > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community — School of Computing, Newcastle University, 1 Science Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE4 5TG EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html