Edna, This is one of the many sites (including the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich) that link to Paul's site. One message I received from Plusnet was that the site was "out of bandwidth". Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Edna Marlow [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 24 November 2019 14:22 To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Paul Benyon Naval Index https://www.shipindex.org/resources/318-benyon_paul-index_of_19th_century_naval_vessels Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:34 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Naval Index Hi Does anyone now if Paul Benyon’s Naval Index site is still up and running? I accessed it a few weeks ago but recently I just get a server error message. Thanks Jane _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Paul Benyon, does anyone receive the Dorset Echo, there is an obit there, not sure if he is our good fellow.. Regards, Edna - Ottawa

https://www.shipindex.org/resources/318-benyon_paul-index_of_19th_century_naval_vessels Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:34 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Naval Index Hi Does anyone now if Paul Benyon’s Naval Index site is still up and running? I accessed it a few weeks ago but recently I just get a server error message. Thanks Jane

Hi Does anyone now if Paul Benyon’s Naval Index site is still up and running? I accessed it a few weeks ago but recently I just get a server error message. Thanks Jane

Ok so why does he have William Henry Martin & Kathleen Nicolls on his marriage certificate. I found a Stanley H Martin with a father Nicholas but the H is Hubert. i am trying to think outside the circle for clues.   Ann.Sent from my Samsung G360G on the Telstra Mobile Network -------- Original message -------- From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> Date: 22/11/2019 06:34 (GMT+10:00) To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Devonshire Regiment Book On Trove papers [Australia] if you Google " Devon Territorials " there are a few articles that may help.Bev--------------------------------------------------From: "Paul Hockie via DEVON" <[email protected]>Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 2:54 AMTo: <[email protected]>; "ann.langford" <[email protected]>Cc: "Paul Hockie" <[email protected]>Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Devonshire Regiment Book> After looking at the army records I think Stanley changed from Mardon to > Martin, probably due to accent or the census enumerator and may have > acquired a middle name, not unusual at the turn of the 20th century.>>> 1901 15, Well Street, Plymouth, Devon, England>> First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year > Occupation Birth place> Thomas Mardon Head Married Male 53 1848 Naval Pensioner & Tailor > Ashburton, Devon, England> Margaret Mardon Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Totnes, Devon, England _______________________________________________------------------------------------------The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devonhttp://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On Trove papers [Australia] if you Google " Devon Territorials " there are a few articles that may help. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hockie via DEVON" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 2:54 AM To: <[email protected]>; "ann.langford" <[email protected]> Cc: "Paul Hockie" <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Devonshire Regiment Book > After looking at the army records I think Stanley changed from Mardon to > Martin, probably due to accent or the census enumerator and may have > acquired a middle name, not unusual at the turn of the 20th century. > > > 1901 15, Well Street, Plymouth, Devon, England > > First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year > Occupation Birth place > Thomas Mardon Head Married Male 53 1848 Naval Pensioner & Tailor > Ashburton, Devon, England > Margaret Mardon Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Totnes, Devon, England

After looking at the army records I think Stanley changed from Mardon to Martin, probably due to accent or the census enumerator and may have acquired a middle name, not unusual at the turn of the 20th century. 1901 15, Well Street, Plymouth, Devon, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Mardon Head Married Male 53 1848 Naval Pensioner & Tailor Ashburton, Devon, England Margaret Mardon Wife Married Female 50 1851 - Totnes, Devon, England Ernest Mardon Son Single Male 20 1881 Van Driver Plymouth, Devon, England May Mardon Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Dressmaker's Apprentice Plymouth, Devon, England Edwin Mardon Son S ingle Male 14 1887 Errand Boy Plymouth, Devon, England Stanley Mardon Son Single Male 9 1892 - Ilfracombe, Devon, England Fernley Mardon Son S ingle Male 5 1896 - Plymouth, Devon, England 1911 3 Wolsdon Place Plymouth, Plymouth, Devon, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Margaret Mardon Head Widow Female 60 1851 Housekeeper Totnes Devon Stanley Mardon Son Single Male 19 1892 Plumber's Assistant Ilfracombe Devon Fernley Mardon Son Single Male 15 1896 Shop Assistant Plymouth Devon I had a quick look for a birth in Ilfracombe but this is the nearest. First name(s) HAROLD STANLEY Last name MARTIN Birth year 1894 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Giles District Stoke Damerel County Devon Country England Volume 5B Page 302 I still believe he must have travelled to Australia before August 1914 and the general mobilisation after which he was signed up for life. I would be interesting to know which TA Battalions were stationed in Plymouth between 1911 and 1914. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: e-mail robertcampbell.1 via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 November 2019 09:51 To: [email protected]; ann.langford Cc: e-mail robertcampbell.1 Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: Devonshire Regiment Book Ann Found this info Military records, 19 pages https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=3000795 Obituarys https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/100741583?searchTerm=stanley%20henry%20martin&searchLimits= https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143614402?searchTerm=stanley%20henry%20martin&searchLimits= Regards Jane _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ann Found this info Military records, 19 pages https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=3000795 Obituarys https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/100741583?searchTerm=stanley%20henry%20martin&searchLimits= https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143614402?searchTerm=stanley%20henry%20martin&searchLimits= Regards Jane

Elizabeth, I am not sure all I know that he enlisted in the AIF 1917. He was married & lived near where I live & the family also reside. Thanks for your help, Ann. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Howard via DEVON Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:16 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Elizabeth Howard Subject: [DEV] Re: Devonshire Regiment Book What dates do you think he served ? Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:28, <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Ruth, > > Could I ask a favour please. Would you be able to look in the book for a > Stanley Henry Martin he served in the Territorials Forces. > > > Ann Langford. > > -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:42 AM > To: Devon > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [DEV] Re: Military > > I have a two volume book ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918 ‘ compiled by > C.T. Atkinson. Volume 2 contains lists of casualties and Honours and > Awards. It also contains an index of people mentioned. > It is published by The Naval and Military Press Ltd Unit 10, Ridgewood > Industrial Park, Uckfield, East Sussex, TN225QE > I obtained it last year, I think it was reprinted to coincide with the > centenary. > > Ruth >>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: [email protected] >> ... >>> Can anyone tell me if there is a list of people who were in the “Devon >>> Territorials Forces”. >> ... >> >> If you mean, a list of people in the Territorial Force Battalions of >> the Devonshire Regiment - which existed from 1908 to the end of WW1 - >> then unless the Devon Record Office has something up its sleeve, the >> answer will be no. >> >> There isn't a list of everyone who was in the British Army during WW1, >> because the service papers of those people were in a warehouse that >> was hit by an incendiary device during WW2 - as a result of that fire, >> somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of those papers were destroyed. So **on >> average** only 1/4 to 1/3 of the papers of the Devonshires (including >> the Territorial Force battalions) survive. Anyone in the Army who left >> the UK (which included the whole of Ireland at that time, of course) >> during WW1 will have been issued with a campaign medal or 3 - the >> medal rolls and index cards for the campaign medals survive intact but >> it's virtually impossible to identify your John Smith in amongst the >> others unless you have extra info. The index cards on Ancestry (but >> not on the TNA site) have a space for correspondence address but, >> officers aside, very very few soldiers had any correspondence, so no >> addresses. And if your chap never got out of the UK during WW1, then >> he didn't get a campaign medal so not even having a very rare name >> will help. >> >> Suggest that you have a look at https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ and >> in particular >> http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/ >> >> It's difficult to start without some clue - the one thing that might >> be useful is that FindMyPast have Absent Voters' Lists (see "Britain, >> Absent Voters Lists 1918-1921") - these are effectively those with a >> postal vote and at the end of WW1, that potentially covered all >> servicemen. However, (1) not everyone applied for a vote and (2) not >> all constituencies have any AVLs to survive. FMP has AVLs for >> Barnstaple, Honiton, South Molton, Tavistock, Tiverton, Torquay and >> Totnes. Whether any others survive elsewhere, I don't know. >> >> Adrian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Ruth for your help; Ann. -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:18 AM To: Devon Cc: Ruth Wilson Subject: [DEV] Re: Devonshire Regiment Book Dear Ann, I had a look through this book. The only names mentioned are the casualties and those who won medals. There are a number of Martins but no Stanley Henry MARTIN. Ruth > On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:28, [email protected] wrote: > > Hello Ruth, > > Could I ask a favour please. Would you be able to look in the book for a > Stanley Henry Martin he served in the Territorials Forces. > > > Ann Langford. > > -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:42 AM > To: Devon > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [DEV] Re: Military > > I have a two volume book ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918 ‘ compiled by > C.T. Atkinson. Volume 2 contains lists of casualties and Honours and > Awards. It also contains an index of people mentioned. > It is published by The Naval and Military Press Ltd Unit 10, Ridgewood > Industrial Park, Uckfield, East Sussex, TN225QE > I obtained it last year, I think it was reprinted to coincide with the > centenary. > > Ruth >> On 10 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> From: [email protected] >> ... >>> Can anyone tell me if there is a list of people who were in the “Devon >>> Territorials Forces”. >> ... >> >> If you mean, a list of people in the Territorial Force Battalions of >> the Devonshire Regiment - which existed from 1908 to the end of WW1 - >> then unless the Devon Record Office has something up its sleeve, the >> answer will be no. >> >> There isn't a list of everyone who was in the British Army during WW1, >> because the service papers of those people were in a warehouse that >> was hit by an incendiary device during WW2 - as a result of that fire, >> somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of those papers were destroyed. So **on >> average** only 1/4 to 1/3 of the papers of the Devonshires (including >> the Territorial Force battalions) survive. Anyone in the Army who left >> the UK (which included the whole of Ireland at that time, of course) >> during WW1 will have been issued with a campaign medal or 3 - the >> medal rolls and index cards for the campaign medals survive intact but >> it's virtually impossible to identify your John Smith in amongst the >> others unless you have extra info. The index cards on Ancestry (but >> not on the TNA site) have a space for correspondence address but, >> officers aside, very very few soldiers had any correspondence, so no >> addresses. And if your chap never got out of the UK during WW1, then >> he didn't get a campaign medal so not even having a very rare name >> will help. >> >> Suggest that you have a look at https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ and >> in particular >> http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/ >> >> It's difficult to start without some clue - the one thing that might >> be useful is that FindMyPast have Absent Voters' Lists (see "Britain, >> Absent Voters Lists 1918-1921") - these are effectively those with a >> postal vote and at the end of WW1, that potentially covered all >> servicemen. However, (1) not everyone applied for a vote and (2) not >> all constituencies have any AVLs to survive. FMP has AVLs for >> Barnstaple, Honiton, South Molton, Tavistock, Tiverton, Torquay and >> Totnes. Whether any others survive elsewhere, I don't know. >> >> Adrian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Paul, he was in the AIF in Australia enlisted 1917. I have search the 1901 & 1911 census but nothing that I am happy with. On Stanley's AIF enlistment papers he was with the territorials for 12 months he resigned to leave the country. He was unfit for duty with a problem with his toe joint. That is all I know. I guess he left England in 1914 ish then he married Mary Kenny in 1815 in Australia. So now I must put it all to rest. One day down the track he might appear. Thanks so much for all your help. Ann. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 2:36 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie Subject: [DEV] Re: Devonshire Regiment Book Ann, Are you sure he was not in the Australian Army Reserve or one its components. The UK territorial Force was mobilised in August 1914, after which point, they were in for the duration. Prior to this I am not sure what the terms were for resigning but I guess that would be a condition they may be called up in the event of war. Where was he in the 1901 and 1911 census. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: ann.langford [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 November 2019 21:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Devonshire Regiment Book Hello Elizabeth, Stanley enlisted in AIF in Australia 1917. So prior to that his AIF papers mention that he was in the Territioral Forces. I still don't know when he came to Australia i know he married here in 1915 so i guess just before that. Ann.Sent from my Samsung G360G on the Telstra Mobile Network _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ann, Are you sure he was not in the Australian Army Reserve or one its components. The UK territorial Force was mobilised in August 1914, after which point, they were in for the duration. Prior to this I am not sure what the terms were for resigning but I guess that would be a condition they may be called up in the event of war. Where was he in the 1901 and 1911 census. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: ann.langford [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 November 2019 21:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Devonshire Regiment Book Hello Elizabeth, Stanley enlisted in AIF in Australia 1917. So prior to that his AIF papers mention that he was in the Territioral Forces. I still don't know when he came to Australia i know he married here in 1915 so i guess just before that.  Ann.Sent from my Samsung G360G on the Telstra Mobile Network

Hello Elizabeth, Stanley enlisted in AIF in Australia 1917. So prior to that his AIF papers mention that he was in the Territioral Forces. I still don't know when he came to Australia i know he married here in 1915 so i guess just before that.  Ann.Sent from my Samsung G360G on the Telstra Mobile Network -------- Original message -------- From: Elizabeth Howard via DEVON <[email protected]> Date: 19/11/2019 22:16 (GMT+10:00) To: [email protected] Cc: Elizabeth Howard <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Devonshire Regiment Book What dates do you think he served ?  Sent from my iPhone> On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:28, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:> > Hello Ruth,> > Could I ask a favour please. Would you be able to look in the book for a Stanley Henry Martin he served in the Territorials Forces.> > > Ann Langford.> > -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:42 AM> To: Devon> Cc: Ruth Wilson> Subject: [DEV] Re: Military> > I have a two volume book ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918 ‘ compiled by C.T. Atkinson. Volume 2 contains lists of casualties and Honours and Awards. It also contains an index of people mentioned.> It is published by The Naval and Military Press Ltd Unit 10, Ridgewood Industrial Park, Uckfield, East Sussex, TN225QE> I obtained it last year, I think it was reprinted to coincide with the centenary.> > Ruth>>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:>>> >>> From: [email protected]>> ...>>> Can anyone tell me if there is a list of people who were in the “Devon Territorials Forces”.>> ...>> >> If you mean, a list of people in the Territorial Force Battalions of>> the Devonshire Regiment - which existed from 1908 to the end of WW1 ->> then unless the Devon Record Office has something up its sleeve, the>> answer will be no.>> >> There isn't a list of everyone who was in the British Army during WW1,>> because the service papers of those people were in a warehouse that>> was hit by an incendiary device during WW2 - as a result of that fire,>> somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of those papers were destroyed. So **on>> average** only 1/4 to 1/3 of the papers of the Devonshires (including>> the Territorial Force battalions) survive. Anyone in the Army who left>> the UK (which included the whole of Ireland at that time, of course)>> during WW1 will have been issued with a campaign medal or 3 - the>> medal rolls and index cards for the campaign medals survive intact but>> it's virtually impossible to identify your John Smith in amongst the>> others unless you have extra info. The index cards on Ancestry (but>> not on the TNA site) have a space for correspondence address but,>> officers aside, very very few soldiers had any correspondence, so no>> addresses. And if your chap never got out of the UK during WW1, then>> he didn't get a campaign medal so not even having a very rare name>> will help.>> >> Suggest that you have a look at https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ and>> in particular http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/>> >> It's difficult to start without some clue - the one thing that might>> be useful is that FindMyPast have Absent Voters' Lists (see "Britain,>> Absent Voters Lists 1918-1921") - these are effectively those with a>> postal vote and at the end of WW1, that potentially covered all>> servicemen. However, (1) not everyone applied for a vote and (2) not>> all constituencies have any AVLs to survive. FMP has AVLs for>> Barnstaple, Honiton, South Molton, Tavistock, Tiverton, Torquay and>> Totnes. Whether any others survive elsewhere, I don't know.>> >> Adrian>> >> _______________________________________________>> ------------------------------------------>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )>> _______________________________________________>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref>> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community> > _______________________________________________> ------------------------------------------> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )> _______________________________________________> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________> ------------------------------------------> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )> _______________________________________________> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community_______________________________________________------------------------------------------The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devonhttp://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you all for your help i can't seem to find anything so i will leave it alone for now.Ann.Sent from my Samsung G360G on the Telstra Mobile Network -------- Original message -------- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON <[email protected]> Date: 20/11/2019 01:18 (GMT+10:00) To: Devon <[email protected]> Cc: Ruth Wilson <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Devonshire Regiment Book Dear Ann,I had a look through this book. The only names mentioned are the casualties and those who won medals. There are a number of Martins but no Stanley Henry MARTIN. Ruth> On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:28, [email protected] wrote:> > Hello Ruth,> > Could I ask a favour please. Would you be able to look in the book for a Stanley Henry Martin he served in the Territorials Forces.> > > Ann Langford.> > -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:42 AM> To: Devon> Cc: Ruth Wilson> Subject: [DEV] Re: Military> > I have a two volume book ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918 ‘ compiled by C.T. Atkinson. Volume 2 contains lists of casualties and Honours and Awards. It also contains an index of people mentioned.> It is published by The Naval and Military Press Ltd Unit 10, Ridgewood Industrial Park, Uckfield, East Sussex, TN225QE> I obtained it last year, I think it was reprinted to coincide with the centenary.> > Ruth>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:>> >>> From: [email protected]>> ...>>> Can anyone tell me if there is a list of people who were in the “Devon Territorials Forces”.>> ...>> >> If you mean, a list of people in the Territorial Force Battalions of>> the Devonshire Regiment - which existed from 1908 to the end of WW1 ->> then unless the Devon Record Office has something up its sleeve, the>> answer will be no.>> >> There isn't a list of everyone who was in the British Army during WW1,>> because the service papers of those people were in a warehouse that>> was hit by an incendiary device during WW2 - as a result of that fire,>> somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of those papers were destroyed. So **on>> average** only 1/4 to 1/3 of the papers of the Devonshires (including>> the Territorial Force battalions) survive. Anyone in the Army who left>> the UK (which included the whole of Ireland at that time, of course)>> during WW1 will have been issued with a campaign medal or 3 - the>> medal rolls and index cards for the campaign medals survive intact but>> it's virtually impossible to identify your John Smith in amongst the>> others unless you have extra info. The index cards on Ancestry (but>> not on the TNA site) have a space for correspondence address but,>> officers aside, very very few soldiers had any correspondence, so no>> addresses. And if your chap never got out of the UK during WW1, then>> he didn't get a campaign medal so not even having a very rare name>> will help.>> >> Suggest that you have a look at https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ and>> in particular http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/>> >> It's difficult to start without some clue - the one thing that might>> be useful is that FindMyPast have Absent Voters' Lists (see "Britain,>> Absent Voters Lists 1918-1921") - these are effectively those with a>> postal vote and at the end of WW1, that potentially covered all>> servicemen. However, (1) not everyone applied for a vote and (2) not>> all constituencies have any AVLs to survive. FMP has AVLs for>> Barnstaple, Honiton, South Molton, Tavistock, Tiverton, Torquay and>> Totnes. Whether any others survive elsewhere, I don't know.>> >> Adrian>> >> _______________________________________________>> ------------------------------------------>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )>> _______________________________________________>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref>> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community> > _______________________________________________> ------------------------------------------> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )> _______________________________________________> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________> ------------------------------------------> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )> _______________________________________________> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community_______________________________________________------------------------------------------The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devonhttp://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Ann, I had a look through this book. The only names mentioned are the casualties and those who won medals. There are a number of Martins but no Stanley Henry MARTIN. Ruth > On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:28, [email protected] wrote: > > Hello Ruth, > > Could I ask a favour please. Would you be able to look in the book for a Stanley Henry Martin he served in the Territorials Forces. > > > Ann Langford. > > -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:42 AM > To: Devon > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [DEV] Re: Military > > I have a two volume book ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918 ‘ compiled by C.T. Atkinson. Volume 2 contains lists of casualties and Honours and Awards. It also contains an index of people mentioned. > It is published by The Naval and Military Press Ltd Unit 10, Ridgewood Industrial Park, Uckfield, East Sussex, TN225QE > I obtained it last year, I think it was reprinted to coincide with the centenary. > > Ruth >> On 10 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> From: [email protected] >> ... >>> Can anyone tell me if there is a list of people who were in the “Devon Territorials Forces”. >> ... >> >> If you mean, a list of people in the Territorial Force Battalions of >> the Devonshire Regiment - which existed from 1908 to the end of WW1 - >> then unless the Devon Record Office has something up its sleeve, the >> answer will be no. >> >> There isn't a list of everyone who was in the British Army during WW1, >> because the service papers of those people were in a warehouse that >> was hit by an incendiary device during WW2 - as a result of that fire, >> somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of those papers were destroyed. So **on >> average** only 1/4 to 1/3 of the papers of the Devonshires (including >> the Territorial Force battalions) survive. Anyone in the Army who left >> the UK (which included the whole of Ireland at that time, of course) >> during WW1 will have been issued with a campaign medal or 3 - the >> medal rolls and index cards for the campaign medals survive intact but >> it's virtually impossible to identify your John Smith in amongst the >> others unless you have extra info. The index cards on Ancestry (but >> not on the TNA site) have a space for correspondence address but, >> officers aside, very very few soldiers had any correspondence, so no >> addresses. And if your chap never got out of the UK during WW1, then >> he didn't get a campaign medal so not even having a very rare name >> will help. >> >> Suggest that you have a look at https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ and >> in particular http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/ >> >> It's difficult to start without some clue - the one thing that might >> be useful is that FindMyPast have Absent Voters' Lists (see "Britain, >> Absent Voters Lists 1918-1921") - these are effectively those with a >> postal vote and at the end of WW1, that potentially covered all >> servicemen. However, (1) not everyone applied for a vote and (2) not >> all constituencies have any AVLs to survive. FMP has AVLs for >> Barnstaple, Honiton, South Molton, Tavistock, Tiverton, Torquay and >> Totnes. Whether any others survive elsewhere, I don't know. >> >> Adrian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

What dates do you think he served ? Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Nov 2019, at 09:28, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Ruth, > > Could I ask a favour please. Would you be able to look in the book for a Stanley Henry Martin he served in the Territorials Forces. > > > Ann Langford. > > -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:42 AM > To: Devon > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [DEV] Re: Military > > I have a two volume book ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918 ‘ compiled by C.T. Atkinson. Volume 2 contains lists of casualties and Honours and Awards. It also contains an index of people mentioned. > It is published by The Naval and Military Press Ltd Unit 10, Ridgewood Industrial Park, Uckfield, East Sussex, TN225QE > I obtained it last year, I think it was reprinted to coincide with the centenary. > > Ruth >>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: [email protected] >> ... >>> Can anyone tell me if there is a list of people who were in the “Devon Territorials Forces”. >> ... >> >> If you mean, a list of people in the Territorial Force Battalions of >> the Devonshire Regiment - which existed from 1908 to the end of WW1 - >> then unless the Devon Record Office has something up its sleeve, the >> answer will be no. >> >> There isn't a list of everyone who was in the British Army during WW1, >> because the service papers of those people were in a warehouse that >> was hit by an incendiary device during WW2 - as a result of that fire, >> somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of those papers were destroyed. So **on >> average** only 1/4 to 1/3 of the papers of the Devonshires (including >> the Territorial Force battalions) survive. Anyone in the Army who left >> the UK (which included the whole of Ireland at that time, of course) >> during WW1 will have been issued with a campaign medal or 3 - the >> medal rolls and index cards for the campaign medals survive intact but >> it's virtually impossible to identify your John Smith in amongst the >> others unless you have extra info. The index cards on Ancestry (but >> not on the TNA site) have a space for correspondence address but, >> officers aside, very very few soldiers had any correspondence, so no >> addresses. And if your chap never got out of the UK during WW1, then >> he didn't get a campaign medal so not even having a very rare name >> will help. >> >> Suggest that you have a look at https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ and >> in particular http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/ >> >> It's difficult to start without some clue - the one thing that might >> be useful is that FindMyPast have Absent Voters' Lists (see "Britain, >> Absent Voters Lists 1918-1921") - these are effectively those with a >> postal vote and at the end of WW1, that potentially covered all >> servicemen. However, (1) not everyone applied for a vote and (2) not >> all constituencies have any AVLs to survive. FMP has AVLs for >> Barnstaple, Honiton, South Molton, Tavistock, Tiverton, Torquay and >> Totnes. Whether any others survive elsewhere, I don't know. >> >> Adrian >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Ruth, Could I ask a favour please. Would you be able to look in the book for a Stanley Henry Martin he served in the Territorials Forces. Ann Langford. -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON Sent: Monday, November 11, 2019 6:42 AM To: Devon Cc: Ruth Wilson Subject: [DEV] Re: Military I have a two volume book ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918 ‘ compiled by C.T. Atkinson. Volume 2 contains lists of casualties and Honours and Awards. It also contains an index of people mentioned. It is published by The Naval and Military Press Ltd Unit 10, Ridgewood Industrial Park, Uckfield, East Sussex, TN225QE I obtained it last year, I think it was reprinted to coincide with the centenary. Ruth > On 10 Nov 2019, at 16:48, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: [email protected] > ... >> Can anyone tell me if there is a list of people who were in the “Devon >> Territorials Forces”. > ... > > If you mean, a list of people in the Territorial Force Battalions of > the Devonshire Regiment - which existed from 1908 to the end of WW1 - > then unless the Devon Record Office has something up its sleeve, the > answer will be no. > > There isn't a list of everyone who was in the British Army during WW1, > because the service papers of those people were in a warehouse that > was hit by an incendiary device during WW2 - as a result of that fire, > somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of those papers were destroyed. So **on > average** only 1/4 to 1/3 of the papers of the Devonshires (including > the Territorial Force battalions) survive. Anyone in the Army who left > the UK (which included the whole of Ireland at that time, of course) > during WW1 will have been issued with a campaign medal or 3 - the > medal rolls and index cards for the campaign medals survive intact but > it's virtually impossible to identify your John Smith in amongst the > others unless you have extra info. The index cards on Ancestry (but > not on the TNA site) have a space for correspondence address but, > officers aside, very very few soldiers had any correspondence, so no > addresses. And if your chap never got out of the UK during WW1, then > he didn't get a campaign medal so not even having a very rare name > will help. > > Suggest that you have a look at https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/ and > in particular > http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/how-to-research-a-soldier/ > > It's difficult to start without some clue - the one thing that might > be useful is that FindMyPast have Absent Voters' Lists (see "Britain, > Absent Voters Lists 1918-1921") - these are effectively those with a > postal vote and at the end of WW1, that potentially covered all > servicemen. However, (1) not everyone applied for a vote and (2) not > all constituencies have any AVLs to survive. FMP has AVLs for > Barnstaple, Honiton, South Molton, Tavistock, Tiverton, Torquay and > Totnes. Whether any others survive elsewhere, I don't know. > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Joy, Teresa, and Tim for your comments and suggestions.  To avoid an overly long enquiry I restricted it what I thought were the key points, but perhaps I should have added more.  John Rickard bpt 1771 Stoke Damerel was a possible but that of the John in St Teath also seemed likely given that Bridget Lane was also bpt there.  They were tempting, but I could see no reason (or evidence!) why they would have married at Stoke Damerel. Incidentally John  was then described as a 'mariner in the ordinary'.  That  was a first for me.  In the ordinary normally indicates that a naval ship was laid up/in reserve/being repaired,  but I haven't come across the term mariner used for a naval man.  In the records I have seen it has always referred to a merchant seaman. Both John & Bridget were buried at Stoke Damerel and John's address then was shown as Duke Street (Devonport).  My Bennee family also lived there at that time. Thank you for mentioning about the Will Tim.  Although I would be surprised if it were 'mine' give that the probate date is 1833 and John died in December that year.  I doubt things moved that quickly then.  Nevertheless I've written to Exeter to check.  Tim your email also reminded me that I should contact fellow members of the DFHS interested in the surname Rickard. It is remotely possible that the gravestones might have revealed more information about John & Bridget.  Unfortunately that avenue was closed when the area was converted into a 'park' and the gravestones used for paving, often with the inscriptions face down! I was at school across the road at that time and not yet interested in family history.  Apparently no record was made at the time although subsequently those visible have been. Thank you again for your responses. John in NSW On 16/11/2019 6:27 am, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) wrote: > Hi John , >    There is a John Richard (as Transcribed) buried in Stoke Damerel, > the 8th Dec 1833 aged 61. > Could be RICKARD but bot certain, but could this be your man. > > Also according to the Devon Wills Index, there is an IRW fro a John > RICKARD of Stoke Damerel, probate year 1833. > Would be worth getting a copy of this will. (Contact either Devon > Heritage Centre or Devon Family Society, both have the IRW's on > microfiche). > > Tim Treeby > DFHS : 13926. > > On 14/11/2019 00:06, Our Mail wrote: >> Elizabeth Richards married Richard Stear on 22 May 1798 in Stoke >> Damerel church, Devonport  (Family Bible and parish record).   She >> died on 17 Aug 1807 (Family Bible) and was buried at Stoke Damerel on >> 20 Aug 1897 (parish record). Richard and Elizabeth had 3 children:- >> John (2 Mar 1799 - Oct 1780), John Richards (31 Oct 1800 - ?) and my >> gg grandmother Lois Clifton (5 Oct 1805 - 26 Jan 1894), who married >> Edward Bennee in 1826. >> >> Thanks to greatly appreciated assistance of this list and that of the >> South Hams, and the discovery that one of the witnesses at the >> marriage was an aunt, I was able to trace the Stear family back a >> further 3 generations.  However I must now confess to complete >> failure in tracing Elizabeth Richards antecedents. Does anyone know >> of this lady? >> >> I would add that on the page in the bible recording the marriage of >> Richard & Elizabeth is written, at the foot of the page, Bridget >> Rickard died Oct 20th 1832 aged 53 years, John Rickard died Dec 4th >> 1833 aged 63 years.  Bridget was buried at Stoke Damerel but I >> haven't located John's. However they were married at Stoke Damerel in >> 1802.  Bridget's maiden name was Lane.  The names Rickard, Lane and >> Stear appear as middle names in some of Lois' children.  As I have >> extensive records of the Bennee family and have traced them back to >> the mid 1600's, I am as certain as can be that Lane and Rickard are >> not connected with that family.  Neither do those names occur in the >> Stear tree I have, so perhaps they are associated with the Richards?  >> I tried to explore that avenue but made no progress. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> John >> > > _______________________________________________ >

Hi John ,    There is a John Richard (as Transcribed) buried in Stoke Damerel, the 8th Dec 1833 aged 61. Could be RICKARD but bot certain, but could this be your man. Also according to the Devon Wills Index, there is an IRW fro a John RICKARD of Stoke Damerel, probate year 1833. Would be worth getting a copy of this will. (Contact either Devon Heritage Centre or Devon Family Society, both have the IRW's on microfiche). Tim Treeby DFHS : 13926. On 14/11/2019 00:06, Our Mail wrote: > Elizabeth Richards married Richard Stear on 22 May 1798 in Stoke > Damerel church, Devonport  (Family Bible and parish record).   She > died on 17 Aug 1807 (Family Bible) and was buried at Stoke Damerel on > 20 Aug 1897 (parish record).  Richard and Elizabeth had 3 children:- > John (2 Mar 1799 - Oct 1780), John Richards (31 Oct 1800 - ?) and my > gg grandmother Lois Clifton (5 Oct 1805 - 26 Jan 1894), who married > Edward Bennee in 1826. > > Thanks to greatly appreciated assistance of this list and that of the > South Hams, and the discovery that one of the witnesses at the > marriage was an aunt, I was able to trace the Stear family back a > further 3 generations.  However I must now confess to complete failure > in tracing Elizabeth Richards antecedents.  Does anyone know of this > lady? > > I would add that on the page in the bible recording the marriage of > Richard & Elizabeth is written, at the foot of the page, Bridget > Rickard died Oct 20th 1832 aged 53 years, John Rickard died Dec 4th > 1833 aged 63 years.  Bridget was buried at Stoke Damerel but I haven't > located John's. However they were married at Stoke Damerel in 1802.  > Bridget's maiden name was Lane.  The names Rickard, Lane and Stear > appear as middle names in some of Lois' children.  As I have extensive > records of the Bennee family and have traced them back to the mid > 1600's, I am as certain as can be that Lane and Rickard are not > connected with that family.  Neither do those names occur in the Stear > tree I have, so perhaps they are associated with the Richards?  I > tried to explore that avenue but made no progress. > > Any ideas? > > John >

Yes a good place to start Theresa as long as John seeks supporting evidence. I would still repeat that it is difficult to make a positive identification without any other evidence, especially with the particular place. If it was a small parish where a Richards family had been in evidence for some time then it is probably worth making a tentative identification but Stoke Damerel mushroomed in size during the 18th century because of the navy, army and Royal dockyard and drew in people from all over Britain. It was a naval and military base, it was the Napoleonic Wars, as a result there was a transient population. There are five marriages for Elizabeth Richards in Stoke Damerel between 1797 and 1803 for instance, any one of which could be the one baptised there in 1777. If it was my tree I would still look for something that would link the Richards/Rickard family - naming patterns, witnesses at other weddings (Lois's for instance), what happened to the other children of James Richards, where did Clifton come from, is Lois a family name etc. Joy ------ Original Message ------ From: "Teresa Goatham" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 15 Nov, 2019 At 17:29 Subject: [DEV] Re: Elizabeth Richards 1781 But surely the place to start is where you know the family were. The age of John suggests he could well have been the John Rickards baptised in Stoke Damerel in 1771. He was the son of James and Mary. James and Mary seem to have had 3 children baptised there, the other 2 being James Richards bap 1774 and Elizabeth Richards bap in 1777. She would fit nicely as the one who married in 1798. n.b. this is from a quick look - I have not checked that she didn't die in infancy or that the single child recorded as a Rickard wasn't the only child because the parents died etc. but I would suggest that is an area to follow up. The only trouble is it seems too obvious - John, you said you had failed in tracing Elizabeth Richards antecedents, maybe you a reason for ruling out this Elizabeth? The index on FMP shows a marriage of a James and Mary RICHARDS in Tamerton Foliot in 1767, you will need to check the BTs on FamilySearch for that as the PRs don't survive - and they show the index is in error, the entry clearly says James RICKARDS. It would be worth looking in Tamerton for a child (or even 2) before John. Teresa