Hi Folks; When looking at the SEYMOUR family of Berry Pomeroy it should not be forgotten they descend out of the SEYMOURs of Wiltshire, in particular Savernake. Happy Hunting Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: 3 December, 2019 3:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Have you looked at the Devon Wills Index, on FMP & Genuki? Terry On 02/12/2019 15:09, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: > I had a look at Berry Pomeroy Registers. As Paul says, they only begin in 1602 (digitised on on Find My Past). > > I picked up the following which may or may not be useful: Is there any way you can narrow down possible places of baptism? > > The following are all Berry Pomeroy. > > Marriage: Elizabeth Seymor and George Cary 18 Dec 1609 (spelt Seimor in Boyd’s). > > Baptisms: > 1606 Mrs Katherine Seamore > 1609 Mrs Ann Seymour > 1610 Edward son of Edward Seymour > 1612 Henry Seymour > 1618 Mrs Margaret Seymour > 1619 Mrs Mary Seymour > 1620 Mrs Amey Seymour > > The only baptism with father’s name given is Edward. I haven’t come across ‘Mrs’ in baptism record before. Mark of respect? > > South West Heritage Trust online Catalogue has hundred of results for various Seymour related documents, but no Will mentioned. > > Interestingly there is a document dated 14th Oct 1598 referring to the “continuing feud between Seymour and Champernowne”. > > Although the online catalogue returned a large number of documents, I know that they hold a vast number of others that are difficult to find online. I’ve recently found children named in three live leases from the early 1600s. I didn’t know the documents existed until someone gave me a very old Devon archive reference. But I had to go into the Archives themselves because I couldn’t find anything even when putting the names into the search box. That reference led to dozens more. So the card index in the archives (it’s not online) is perhaps a good place to check? > > It might be worth asking a researcher to look for you? The baptisms themselves that you’re looking for are probably missing but you may be able to find reference to the children in estate documents and/or marriage settlements. > > Jane > Devon > > > > >> On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:51, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks Paul, >> As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... >> >> > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community -- Chairman - Devon Family History Society Registered Charity No. 282490 Mayflower International Genealogical Conference 2020 <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/mayflower_conference.pdf> Web site: http://www.devonfhs.org.uk <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> Email address: [email protected] Join from just £12 a year _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Paul, The Seymours were resident at Berry Pomeroy Castle, Devon & the Farewells at the Manor of Hills Bishop, Somerset. I will check the catalogues for the relevant archives, but from Australia I can't check anything easily unless it is described accurately enough to be sure it is what I am after! I was hoping a family as well known as the Seymours would have been well documents already. There is of course a lot written about them, but it is short on dates and places, especially for the women. Thank you for your reply & suggestions. From Jenny Stiles -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 6:02 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Jenny, In theory there would have been a marriage contract for what would have been an arranged marriage. Amongst other things, this would agree the dowry of the bride. If it still exists, then it is most likely to be in the records office. It may be worth looking at the history of the residences of both families. Did they have a chapel or a muniments room. Probably not built looking at the history of the buildings may yield some clues, in particular what family papers may have existed. If they still exist they are probably not indexed and just catalogued as "records of". Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Stiles [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 December 2019 11:51 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Thanks Paul, As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... From Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 4:11 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Jenny According to my Philimore the registers for Berry Pomeroy only start in 1602 although Boyd's Marriage index has entries from 1596. Prior to this you have, if they still exist, estate and family papers, wills and heralds visitations. Estate and family papers usually end up in the local archives but some may be in TNA. If the estate had its own chapel, those papers could be in the archives. I just google Heralds visitations on name and place. This will throw up sites like archive.org who seem to have scanned large numbers of 16/17c documents. Unfortunately many of these documents follow the male line but if the daughter someone of equal standing that could appear in her husband's line. Musters, taxes etc. probably don't help as they are name and place only, no lineage. Finally the Society of Genealogists and FamilySearch have books and documents related to assorted Seymour families. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Stiles [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 December 2019 04:52 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Hi List, I am wondering if anybody can help me work out where I might find records for the Seymour & Farewell family? My 11th Great Grandmother is Mary Seymour [died 13 Dec 1660], daughter of Sir Edward Seymour & his wife Elizabeth Champernowne [who married 19th September 1576 at Dartington, Devon when Edward was only 13. . There is a memorial at Berry Pomeroy, Devon which gives the date of death for Sir Edward Seymour [10th April 1613] & records Elizabeth [dau of Arthur Champernowne] as his wife & the information that they had 11 children, but the MI doesn't mention her date of death. "Geni" gives her date of death as 6th September 1613, but I am not sure what the source of this information is. One of those 11 children was Mary Seymour who was married to Sir George Farewell [1579-14 May 1647] by July 1609 [George's father, another George Farewell mentions his son George & his wife in his will of that date & refers to the Seymours]. However, I can't find any indication of Mary's age, baptism or the actual marriage. I am hoping that they might be found somewhere in Devon records? Sir George & Mary's MI at Hills Bishop, Somerset confirms her Seymour parentage [as does her will which mentions her sisters Cary & Bruen]. It also mentions 20 children; Six are baptised at Bishops Hull, five between 1613 & 1620 & one in 1627 John, Thomas, Edward, Margaret [my line], Marie & Arthur], a further 4 from George & Mary's will & one more name from online pedigrees [so may not be correct] for a total of 12, so eight are missing and at least six are missing baptisms [Elizabeth,Jane, Dorothy, Nathaniel, George & James]. Mary refers to her daughters by surname only in her will [Norris, Farewell & Bruen] so they might be in addition to those in the list, but unfortunately I can't find their marriages either, so I can't work out which daughters married men with those surnames. Possibly some of their children were baptised in Devon before 1612? I also wondered in Edward Seymour [died 1613] might have left a will? That might shed some light on Grandchildren if I was very lucky! Thank you for your time, Jenny Stiles, Sydney, Australia _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Elizabeth & Jane, That is very useful as that means the Edward baptised in 1610 is the generation after my Mary [so the son of her brother]. Notice though the visitation has not bothered with the girl's ages at all! From Jenny -----Original Message----- From: ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 3:38 AM To: [email protected] Cc: ELIZABETH HOWARD Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] SEYMOUR Vivian`s Visitations of Devon for 1620 says " Sir Edward Seymer , kt and baronet ,, living 1620 married Dorothy dau of Sir Henry Killigrew and had ( ages given as in 1620) Edward, 9 , Henry , 8, Thomas , 6, Robert , 5, Joseph , 3 , Elizabeth, Dorothy, Catheryn, Ann, Margaret, Mary . Wikipedia has Mary married to George Farewell but again no dates of birth _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

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Thanks Elizabeth, If the registers are lost, do you know where they found the information? From Jenny -----Original Message----- From: ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 3:17 AM To: Jane Lucas via DEVON Cc: ELIZABETH HOWARD Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Granville and Moger did a transcription booklet of the Lost registers of Devon and Berry Pomeroy is in this . It goes back to 1590 and there are no Seymours of any sort . Very useful find for the lost early registers . On Monday, 2 December 2019, 15:10:48 GMT, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: I had a look at Berry Pomeroy Registers. As Paul says, they only begin in 1602 (digitised on on Find My Past). I picked up the following which may or may not be useful: Is there any way you can narrow down possible places of baptism? The following are all Berry Pomeroy. Marriage: Elizabeth Seymor and George Cary 18 Dec 1609 (spelt Seimor in Boyd’s). Baptisms: 1606 Mrs Katherine Seamore 1609 Mrs Ann Seymour 1610 Edward son of Edward Seymour 1612 Henry Seymour 1618 Mrs Margaret Seymour 1619 Mrs Mary Seymour 1620 Mrs Amey Seymour The only baptism with father’s name given is Edward. I haven’t come across ‘Mrs’ in baptism record before. Mark of respect? South West Heritage Trust online Catalogue has hundred of results for various Seymour related documents, but no Will mentioned. Interestingly there is a document dated 14th Oct 1598 referring to the “continuing feud between Seymour and Champernowne”. Although the online catalogue returned a large number of documents, I know that they hold a vast number of others that are difficult to find online. I’ve recently found children named in three live leases from the early 1600s. I didn’t know the documents existed until someone gave me a very old Devon archive reference. But I had to go into the Archives themselves because I couldn’t find anything even when putting the names into the search box. That reference led to dozens more. So the card index in the archives (it’s not online) is perhaps a good place to check? It might be worth asking a researcher to look for you? The baptisms themselves that you’re looking for are probably missing but you may be able to find reference to the children in estate documents and/or marriage settlements. Jane Devon > On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:51, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Paul, > As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages > are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her > sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of > evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls > & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and > married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Hi Jane, Thank-you very much for looking up the Berry Pomeroy entries. The marriage for Elizabeth Seymour and George Cary is very helpful as that is my Mary Seymour's sister. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea where any of the 11 children born to Sir Edward Seymour & Elizabeth Champernown were born or even quite when the likely dates start. Edward Seymour was only 13 when he married Elizabeth [although I think she was older] so I don't know when their oldest child was born. They did have an Edward & an Amy and a Mary, but those dates look late enough to be the next generation. I wonder what the feud was about! I will see if I can find out. I really appreciate your help. From Jenny Stiles -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 2:09 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy I had a look at Berry Pomeroy Registers. As Paul says, they only begin in 1602 (digitised on on Find My Past). I picked up the following which may or may not be useful: Is there any way you can narrow down possible places of baptism? The following are all Berry Pomeroy. Marriage: Elizabeth Seymor and George Cary 18 Dec 1609 (spelt Seimor in Boyd’s). Baptisms: 1606 Mrs Katherine Seamore 1609 Mrs Ann Seymour 1610 Edward son of Edward Seymour 1612 Henry Seymour 1618 Mrs Margaret Seymour 1619 Mrs Mary Seymour 1620 Mrs Amey Seymour The only baptism with father’s name given is Edward. I haven’t come across ‘Mrs’ in baptism record before. Mark of respect? South West Heritage Trust online Catalogue has hundred of results for various Seymour related documents, but no Will mentioned. Interestingly there is a document dated 14th Oct 1598 referring to the “continuing feud between Seymour and Champernowne”. Although the online catalogue returned a large number of documents, I know that they hold a vast number of others that are difficult to find online. I’ve recently found children named in three live leases from the early 1600s. I didn’t know the documents existed until someone gave me a very old Devon archive reference. But I had to go into the Archives themselves because I couldn’t find anything even when putting the names into the search box. That reference led to dozens more. So the card index in the archives (it’s not online) is perhaps a good place to check? It might be worth asking a researcher to look for you? The baptisms themselves that you’re looking for are probably missing but you may be able to find reference to the children in estate documents and/or marriage settlements. Jane Devon > On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:51, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Paul, > As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages > are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her > sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of > evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls > & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and > married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

I believe Mrs=Mistress=Miss. A common title for the daughters of the aristocracy. It must be used by Shakespeare in one of his plays( or was it Blackadder). I did have a look at the images on FMP for Seymours for this time. The marriages and Burials do not seem to be linked properly. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 December 2019 16:18 To: Jane Lucas via DEVON Cc: ELIZABETH HOWARD Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Granville and Moger did a transcription booklet of the Lost registers of Devon and Berry Pomeroy is in this .  It goes back to 1590 and there are no Seymours of any sort .   Very useful find for the lost early registers . On Monday, 2 December 2019, 15:10:48 GMT, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: I had a look at Berry Pomeroy Registers.  As Paul says, they only begin in 1602 (digitised on on Find My Past). I picked up the following which may or may not be useful: Is there any way you can narrow down possible places of baptism? The following are all Berry Pomeroy. Marriage: Elizabeth Seymor and George Cary 18 Dec 1609 (spelt Seimor in Boyd’s). Baptisms: 1606 Mrs Katherine Seamore 1609 Mrs Ann Seymour 1610 Edward son of Edward Seymour 1612 Henry Seymour 1618 Mrs Margaret Seymour 1619 Mrs Mary Seymour 1620 Mrs Amey Seymour The only baptism with father’s name given is Edward. I haven’t come across ‘Mrs’ in baptism record before.  Mark of respect? South West Heritage Trust online Catalogue has hundred of results for various Seymour related documents, but no Will mentioned. Interestingly there is a document dated 14th Oct 1598 referring to the “continuing feud between Seymour and Champernowne”. Although the online catalogue returned a large number of documents, I know that they hold a vast number of others that are difficult to find online. I’ve recently found children named in three live leases from the early 1600s. I didn’t know the documents existed until someone gave me a very old Devon archive reference. But I had to go into the Archives themselves because I couldn’t find anything even when putting the names into the search box. That reference led to dozens more. So the card index in the archives (it’s not online) is perhaps a good place to check? It might be worth asking a researcher to look for you? The baptisms themselves that you’re looking for are probably missing but you may be able to find reference to the children in estate documents and/or marriage settlements. Jane Devon > On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:51, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Paul, > As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

And this one ~ McGill site - http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/CountyAtlas/huron.htm Edna - Ottawa

Have been doing a little research in the Ottawa area and came upon this excellent site: http://www.historicmapworks.com/Browse/Canada/Ontario/ Give it a try... Edna - sunny frosty Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Sher Leetooze Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 1:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] LANE/REED Hi Elizabeth: Huron is a county in Ontario. It WAS a Bible Christian centre. All around Exeter, the principal town, and out through the countryside into at least two other townships. Loads of Devon folk there There's even a small community (more of a cross-roads than a community) called Devon Corners. Not that someone outside Ontario will know exactly where it is, but there is a really good site from McGill University - County Atlas site. They have digitized the old 1878 atlases and put them online. Your contact can go online and call up Huron County and see just where his/her ancestor lived - easier if the township is known so you can zero into the correct area. Sorry, don't have the url - put "McGill University-County Atlas Project" into a google search - you'll get it. Good luck. Sher

Jenny, In theory there would have been a marriage contract for what would have been an arranged marriage. Amongst other things, this would agree the dowry of the bride. If it still exists, then it is most likely to be in the records office. It may be worth looking at the history of the residences of both families. Did they have a chapel or a muniments room. Probably not built looking at the history of the buildings may yield some clues, in particular what family papers may have existed. If they still exist they are probably not indexed and just catalogued as "records of". Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Stiles [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 December 2019 11:51 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Thanks Paul, As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... From Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 4:11 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Jenny According to my Philimore the registers for Berry Pomeroy only start in 1602 although Boyd's Marriage index has entries from 1596. Prior to this you have, if they still exist, estate and family papers, wills and heralds visitations. Estate and family papers usually end up in the local archives but some may be in TNA. If the estate had its own chapel, those papers could be in the archives. I just google Heralds visitations on name and place. This will throw up sites like archive.org who seem to have scanned large numbers of 16/17c documents. Unfortunately many of these documents follow the male line but if the daughter someone of equal standing that could appear in her husband's line. Musters, taxes etc. probably don't help as they are name and place only, no lineage. Finally the Society of Genealogists and FamilySearch have books and documents related to assorted Seymour families. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Stiles [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 December 2019 04:52 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Hi List, I am wondering if anybody can help me work out where I might find records for the Seymour & Farewell family? My 11th Great Grandmother is Mary Seymour [died 13 Dec 1660], daughter of Sir Edward Seymour & his wife Elizabeth Champernowne [who married 19th September 1576 at Dartington, Devon when Edward was only 13. . There is a memorial at Berry Pomeroy, Devon which gives the date of death for Sir Edward Seymour [10th April 1613] & records Elizabeth [dau of Arthur Champernowne] as his wife & the information that they had 11 children, but the MI doesn't mention her date of death. "Geni" gives her date of death as 6th September 1613, but I am not sure what the source of this information is. One of those 11 children was Mary Seymour who was married to Sir George Farewell [1579-14 May 1647] by July 1609 [George's father, another George Farewell mentions his son George & his wife in his will of that date & refers to the Seymours]. However, I can't find any indication of Mary's age, baptism or the actual marriage. I am hoping that they might be found somewhere in Devon records? Sir George & Mary's MI at Hills Bishop, Somerset confirms her Seymour parentage [as does her will which mentions her sisters Cary & Bruen]. It also mentions 20 children; Six are baptised at Bishops Hull, five between 1613 & 1620 & one in 1627 John, Thomas, Edward, Margaret [my line], Marie & Arthur], a further 4 from George & Mary's will & one more name from online pedigrees [so may not be correct] for a total of 12, so eight are missing and at least six are missing baptisms [Elizabeth,Jane, Dorothy, Nathaniel, George & James]. Mary refers to her daughters by surname only in her will [Norris, Farewell & Bruen] so they might be in addition to those in the list, but unfortunately I can't find their marriages either, so I can't work out which daughters married men with those surnames. Possibly some of their children were baptised in Devon before 1612? I also wondered in Edward Seymour [died 1613] might have left a will? That might shed some light on Grandchildren if I was very lucky! Thank you for your time, Jenny Stiles, Sydney, Australia _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Elizabeth: Huron is a county in Ontario.  It WAS a Bible Christian centre. All around Exeter, the principal town, and out through the countryside into at least two other townships.  Loads of Devon folk there  There's even a small community (more of a cross-roads than a community) called Devon Corners.  Not that someone outside Ontario will know exactly where it is, but there is a really good site from McGill University - County Atlas site.  They have digitized the old 1878 atlases and put them online.  Your contact can go online and call up Huron County and see just where his/her ancestor lived - easier if the township is known so you can zero into the correct area.  Sorry, don't have the url - put "McGill University-County Atlas Project" into a google search - you'll get it.  Good luck. Sher On 11/30/2019 5:20 PM, Elizabeth Howard wrote: > No matter the spelling of Reid/Reed was Huron a Bible Christian town? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 30 Nov 2019, at 16:12,<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>  >> There is a marriage on FamilySearch at Huron, Ontario 1864 for Mary A Lane and William Harbourne Reid: >> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CB-CKBS >> >> Joy >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON" <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "ELIZABETH HOWARD" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, 30 Nov, 2019 At 15:41 >> Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] LANE/REED >> Hi to all Canadian Parkham-ites………..I had enquirer from Chigago Illinois and he wanted his gg grandmother Mary Anne Lane identified , which I did . she was bapt Parkham 1845 dau of William and Mary Lane, ( nee Glover) and the family are at Watershutes in the 1851 censusHe says , the enquirer , that she emigrated , presumably with the Lane family to Canada in the late 1840s which is clearly not right . Perhaps he meant the 1850s . She later married a Mr Reed, now whether that is the Bible Christian Reeds or an other I am not sure , and if they married in the mid 1860s in Canada can anyone find her please ?I see Nancy Frey has just emailed ????? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/> and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref <http://bit.ly/rootswebpref> >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] <https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY <https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY> Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 <https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9> >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog <http://rootsweb.blog> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Have you looked at the Devon Wills Index, on FMP & Genuki? Terry On 02/12/2019 15:09, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: > I had a look at Berry Pomeroy Registers. As Paul says, they only begin in 1602 (digitised on on Find My Past). > > I picked up the following which may or may not be useful: Is there any way you can narrow down possible places of baptism? > > The following are all Berry Pomeroy. > > Marriage: Elizabeth Seymor and George Cary 18 Dec 1609 (spelt Seimor in Boyd’s). > > Baptisms: > 1606 Mrs Katherine Seamore > 1609 Mrs Ann Seymour > 1610 Edward son of Edward Seymour > 1612 Henry Seymour > 1618 Mrs Margaret Seymour > 1619 Mrs Mary Seymour > 1620 Mrs Amey Seymour > > The only baptism with father’s name given is Edward. I haven’t come across ‘Mrs’ in baptism record before. Mark of respect? > > South West Heritage Trust online Catalogue has hundred of results for various Seymour related documents, but no Will mentioned. > > Interestingly there is a document dated 14th Oct 1598 referring to the “continuing feud between Seymour and Champernowne”. > > Although the online catalogue returned a large number of documents, I know that they hold a vast number of others that are difficult to find online. I’ve recently found children named in three live leases from the early 1600s. I didn’t know the documents existed until someone gave me a very old Devon archive reference. But I had to go into the Archives themselves because I couldn’t find anything even when putting the names into the search box. That reference led to dozens more. So the card index in the archives (it’s not online) is perhaps a good place to check? > > It might be worth asking a researcher to look for you? The baptisms themselves that you’re looking for are probably missing but you may be able to find reference to the children in estate documents and/or marriage settlements. > > Jane > Devon > > > > >> On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:51, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks Paul, >> As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... >> >> > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- Chairman - Devon Family History Society Registered Charity No. 282490 Mayflower International Genealogical Conference 2020 <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/mayflower_conference.pdf> Web site: http://www.devonfhs.org.uk <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> Email address: [email protected] Join from just £12 a year

Hi Elizabeth, Wish I could help. I do know that the Bible Christians had several chapels in Ontario but Sher Leetooze is the authority there. As all of my family came from the UK I am not great at doing research in Canada. Right now I am about to venture into the Parish of Parkham in search of my RODGMAN/RODGMENT/ROGERMAN people who early on were in Hartland and Woolfardisworthy. They ended up in Bideford, so appear to be moving east on the map inch by inch. I'll keep my eye open for Mary Anne LANE. Nancy Frey, Windsor, ON, Canada OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset [email protected] On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:42 AM ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi to all Canadian Parkham-ites………..I had enquirer from Chigago Illinois and he wanted his gg grandmother Mary Anne Lane identified , which I did . she was bapt Parkham 1845 dau of William and Mary Lane, ( nee Glover) and the family are at Watershutes in the 1851 census. He says , the enquirer , that she emigrated , presumably with the Lane family to Canada in the late 1840s which is clearly not right . Perhaps he meant the 1850s . She later married a Mr Reed, now whether that is the Bible Christian Reeds or an other I am not sure , and if they married in the mid 1860s in Canada can anyone find her please ?I see Nancy Frey has just emailed ????? >

Vivian`s Visitations of Devon for 1620 says   " Sir Edward Seymer , kt and baronet ,, living 1620  married Dorothy dau of Sir Henry Killigrew  and had ( ages given as in 1620) Edward, 9 , Henry , 8, Thomas , 6, Robert , 5, Joseph , 3 , Elizabeth, Dorothy, Catheryn,  Ann, Margaret, Mary .  Wikipedia has Mary married to George Farewell  but again no dates of birth 

Granville and Moger did a transcription booklet of the Lost registers of Devon and Berry Pomeroy is in this .  It goes back to 1590 and there are no Seymours of any sort .   Very useful find for the lost early registers . On Monday, 2 December 2019, 15:10:48 GMT, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: I had a look at Berry Pomeroy Registers.  As Paul says, they only begin in 1602 (digitised on on Find My Past). I picked up the following which may or may not be useful: Is there any way you can narrow down possible places of baptism? The following are all Berry Pomeroy. Marriage: Elizabeth Seymor and George Cary 18 Dec 1609 (spelt Seimor in Boyd’s). Baptisms: 1606 Mrs Katherine Seamore 1609 Mrs Ann Seymour 1610 Edward son of Edward Seymour 1612 Henry Seymour 1618 Mrs Margaret Seymour 1619 Mrs Mary Seymour 1620 Mrs Amey Seymour The only baptism with father’s name given is Edward. I haven’t come across ‘Mrs’ in baptism record before.  Mark of respect? South West Heritage Trust online Catalogue has hundred of results for various Seymour related documents, but no Will mentioned. Interestingly there is a document dated 14th Oct 1598 referring to the “continuing feud between Seymour and Champernowne”. Although the online catalogue returned a large number of documents, I know that they hold a vast number of others that are difficult to find online. I’ve recently found children named in three live leases from the early 1600s. I didn’t know the documents existed until someone gave me a very old Devon archive reference. But I had to go into the Archives themselves because I couldn’t find anything even when putting the names into the search box. That reference led to dozens more. So the card index in the archives (it’s not online) is perhaps a good place to check? It might be worth asking a researcher to look for you? The baptisms themselves that you’re looking for are probably missing but you may be able to find reference to the children in estate documents and/or marriage settlements. Jane Devon > On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:51, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Paul, > As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... > > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi ,  is Ida Birch still OPC for Woolsery ?   looking for the surname , if possible, of the wife of Bartholomew Pickard married W in 1695.    and the possible bapt of son Bartholomew1695 > .  

I had a look at Berry Pomeroy Registers. As Paul says, they only begin in 1602 (digitised on on Find My Past). I picked up the following which may or may not be useful: Is there any way you can narrow down possible places of baptism? The following are all Berry Pomeroy. Marriage: Elizabeth Seymor and George Cary 18 Dec 1609 (spelt Seimor in Boyd’s). Baptisms: 1606 Mrs Katherine Seamore 1609 Mrs Ann Seymour 1610 Edward son of Edward Seymour 1612 Henry Seymour 1618 Mrs Margaret Seymour 1619 Mrs Mary Seymour 1620 Mrs Amey Seymour The only baptism with father’s name given is Edward. I haven’t come across ‘Mrs’ in baptism record before. Mark of respect? South West Heritage Trust online Catalogue has hundred of results for various Seymour related documents, but no Will mentioned. Interestingly there is a document dated 14th Oct 1598 referring to the “continuing feud between Seymour and Champernowne”. Although the online catalogue returned a large number of documents, I know that they hold a vast number of others that are difficult to find online. I’ve recently found children named in three live leases from the early 1600s. I didn’t know the documents existed until someone gave me a very old Devon archive reference. But I had to go into the Archives themselves because I couldn’t find anything even when putting the names into the search box. That reference led to dozens more. So the card index in the archives (it’s not online) is perhaps a good place to check? It might be worth asking a researcher to look for you? The baptisms themselves that you’re looking for are probably missing but you may be able to find reference to the children in estate documents and/or marriage settlements. Jane Devon > On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:51, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Paul, > As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... > >

Thanks Paul, As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... From Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via DEVON Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 4:11 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Paul Hockie Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Jenny According to my Philimore the registers for Berry Pomeroy only start in 1602 although Boyd's Marriage index has entries from 1596. Prior to this you have, if they still exist, estate and family papers, wills and heralds visitations. Estate and family papers usually end up in the local archives but some may be in TNA. If the estate had its own chapel, those papers could be in the archives. I just google Heralds visitations on name and place. This will throw up sites like archive.org who seem to have scanned large numbers of 16/17c documents. Unfortunately many of these documents follow the male line but if the daughter someone of equal standing that could appear in her husband's line. Musters, taxes etc. probably don't help as they are name and place only, no lineage. Finally the Society of Genealogists and FamilySearch have books and documents related to assorted Seymour families. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Stiles [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 December 2019 04:52 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Hi List, I am wondering if anybody can help me work out where I might find records for the Seymour & Farewell family? My 11th Great Grandmother is Mary Seymour [died 13 Dec 1660], daughter of Sir Edward Seymour & his wife Elizabeth Champernowne [who married 19th September 1576 at Dartington, Devon when Edward was only 13. . There is a memorial at Berry Pomeroy, Devon which gives the date of death for Sir Edward Seymour [10th April 1613] & records Elizabeth [dau of Arthur Champernowne] as his wife & the information that they had 11 children, but the MI doesn't mention her date of death. "Geni" gives her date of death as 6th September 1613, but I am not sure what the source of this information is. One of those 11 children was Mary Seymour who was married to Sir George Farewell [1579-14 May 1647] by July 1609 [George's father, another George Farewell mentions his son George & his wife in his will of that date & refers to the Seymours]. However, I can't find any indication of Mary's age, baptism or the actual marriage. I am hoping that they might be found somewhere in Devon records? Sir George & Mary's MI at Hills Bishop, Somerset confirms her Seymour parentage [as does her will which mentions her sisters Cary & Bruen]. It also mentions 20 children; Six are baptised at Bishops Hull, five between 1613 & 1620 & one in 1627 John, Thomas, Edward, Margaret [my line], Marie & Arthur], a further 4 from George & Mary's will & one more name from online pedigrees [so may not be correct] for a total of 12, so eight are missing and at least six are missing baptisms [Elizabeth,Jane, Dorothy, Nathaniel, George & James]. Mary refers to her daughters by surname only in her will [Norris, Farewell & Bruen] so they might be in addition to those in the list, but unfortunately I can't find their marriages either, so I can't work out which daughters married men with those surnames. Possibly some of their children were baptised in Devon before 1612? I also wondered in Edward Seymour [died 1613] might have left a will? That might shed some light on Grandchildren if I was very lucky! Thank you for your time, Jenny Stiles, Sydney, Australia _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

I did have a little look at this and chose to see what the Farewell family have to say in their wills . 2 Georges one 1609 and the son 1647 . The earlier is longer and mention my “brother Seymor” and my son in law Thomas Norris As well as legacies to his daus and sons of land all over Somerset and Wiltshire . Bishops Hull seems to be the Farewell HQ . I think Joy is right and some registers are lost ( Civil war) and some just missing and girls were not that important !!! There was probably a family bible and all would have been recorded in that Also the 1609 George would probably remember the fall of both Seymours Edward and Thomas in the dying days of Edward 6th and into Elizabeth. The Farewells were lawyers and alumni of Oxford . Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Dec 2019, at 14:52, joy.langdon--- via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > >  > Have you tried searching the National Archives catalogue? Try searching for documents that include both surnames, sometimes there are legal actions that involve disputes over inheritances, etc. that name various members of the family. Also, sometimes families lodge collections of papers relating to their family with the National Archives. I expect you are more familiar with variations in spelling and places than other searchers. > > https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ > > Joy > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jenny Stiles" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 1 Dec, 2019 At 04:51 > Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy > Hi List, > I am wondering if anybody can help me work out where I might find records for the Seymour & Farewell family? > My 11th Great Grandmother is Mary Seymour [died 13 Dec 1660], daughter of Sir Edward Seymour & his wife Elizabeth Champernowne [who married 19th September 1576 at Dartington, Devon when Edward was only 13. . There is a memorial at Berry Pomeroy, Devon which gives the date of death for Sir Edward Seymour [10th April 1613] & records Elizabeth [dau of Arthur Champernowne] as his wife & the information that they had 11 children, but the MI doesn't mention her date of death. "Geni" gives her date of death as 6th September 1613, but I am not sure what the source of this information is. > One of those 11 children was Mary Seymour who was married to Sir George Farewell [1579-14 May 1647] by July 1609 [George's father, another George Farewell mentions his son George & his wife in his will of that date & refers to the Seymours]. However, I can't find any indication of Mary's age, baptism or the actual marriage. I am hoping that they might be found somewhere in Devon records? > Sir George & Mary's MI at Hills Bishop, Somerset confirms her Seymour parentage [as does her will which mentions her sisters Cary & Bruen]. It also mentions 20 children; Six are baptised at Bishops Hull, five between 1613 & 1620 & one in 1627 John, Thomas, Edward, Margaret [my line], Marie & Arthur], a further 4 from George & Mary's will & one more name from online pedigrees [so may not be correct] for a total of 12, so eight are missing and at least six are missing baptisms [Elizabeth,Jane, Dorothy, Nathaniel, George & James]. Mary refers to her daughters by surname only in her will [Norris, Farewell & Bruen] so they might be in addition to those in the list, but unfortunately I can't find their marriages either, so I can't work out which daughters married men with those surnames. > Possibly some of their children were baptised in Devon before 1612? > > I also wondered in Edward Seymour [died 1613] might have left a will? That might shed some light on Grandchildren if I was very lucky! > > Thank you for your time, > Jenny Stiles, Sydney, Australia > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/> and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref <http://bit.ly/rootswebpref> > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] <https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY <https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY> Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 <https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog <http://rootsweb.blog> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi: Nov 2019 Major additions: • Devon - Court Records: Inquests Taken into Suspicious or Unexplained Deaths for 1905 (in Western Morning News) - transcript • Manaton: What is Grimspound? (1872) - index • Plymouth: Rev Ebenezer Prout, FGS - Obituary (1872) - transcript • Tormoham: William Henry Tinney, QC - Obituary (1872) - transcript • Totnes: Charles Babbage - Obituary (1872) - transcript Cheers Brian Randell — School of Computing, Newcastle University, 1 Science Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE4 5TG EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html