Re: Thomas Squire 1773-1854 (Jane Lucas) Thank you Jane for clarifying that the Northlew & Inwardleigh records are clear and that Thomas Squire just isn't listed which leads me back to why not and where could he be. The Genuki OPC some years back said that the parents John Squire (*Baptism:** 16 Jan 1738 Northlew Parish, Devon) an*d Hannah Dustan (*Baptized: **11 Nov 1733 Inwardleigh Parish, Devon, ENG) * both died in Broadwoodwidger. John is buried there but I don't know where Hannah was buried. > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 00:34:35 +0000 > From: Jane Lucas <[email protected]> > Subject: [DEV] Re: Thomas Squire 1773-1854 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I can find a Thomas Dustan in 1773 Inwardleigh.. born to Josiah and > Thomasin.. not what you want obviously > > I’ve looked at the images for both parishes, Inwardleigh and North Lew.. > they are clear enough .. I don’t think there’s a gap in the record. He’s > just not there. And no John and Hannah anywhere else that I can find. > > Jane > > > Jane Lucas > > > > > > > -- > ************************************** >

Thanks to everybody who replied with suggestions and information about the Seymour family. While some members of the family remain surprisingly undocumented, I have now pinned down some form dates for all the known children of Sir Edward Seymour [1563-1613] & his wife Elizabeth Champernowne [1555-1613]. I have read enough 16th century & 17th century wills to make my eyes water; but they have been very useful, with some childless relatives being very generous to their nieces and nephews. Just in case anybody else is interested; Of the 11 children claimed in Edward Seymour & Elizabeth Champernowne's MI: *Bridget Seymour- born 1577 & baptised 1st December 1577 at Dartington, Devon. She married Sir John Brune of Athelhampton Hall, Dorset. He was buried at Puddletown, Dorset on the 25th March 1639. MI reads " Sir John Brune of Athelhampton knight who married Bridget, daughter of Sir Edward Seymour of Bury Castle in Devon, Bart; died in the Lord, aged 62 years, without issue, and here buried March the 25th 1639". *Sir Edward Seymour [abt 1580 - 5 October 1659] He married Dorothy Killigrew on the 15th December 1600 in Exeter & they had a large family. Dorothy was buried at Berry Pomeroy 30 June 1643. *John Seymour married on the 25th October 1629 at Exeter to Elizabeth Slanning. *Richard Seymour *Mary Seymour [ died 13 Dec 1660, buried at Bishops Hull, Somerset]- married before July 1609 [from George Farewell's will] to Sir George Farewell [1579-14 May 1647]. Their MI states the couple had 20 children. Documented children-John, Thomas, Edward, Margaret [married John Relfe 17 May 1627. Her daughter Bridget Relfe is my ancestor], Marie, Arthur, Elizabeth, Dorothy, Nathaniel, George & James. In pedigrees but no other trace found - Jane] *Elizabeth Seymour -married 18th December 1609 at Berry Pomeroy, Devon to George Cary [nephew & heir of Sir George Cary]. They lived at Cockington, Devon and had 11 documented children. Elizabeth Seymour is still alive in 1646 when she is mentioned in a deposition. She is probably still alive in 1660 when Mary [nee Seymour] Farewell leaves a ring to her sister Cary. * Amy Seymour -[abt 1694-1639.] Married to Edmund Parker & had a large family. Earliest known child is Edmund Parker born in 1613. Amy was buried 3rd May 1639 at St Mary the Blessed Virgin, Plympton, Devon. There is a portrait painted in 1623 of a lady aged 29. It is said to be Amy Parker & appears to be the source of her birthdate. * Walter & William Seymour both said to have died as infants. Thank you to everybody for all information and suggestions, From Jenny Stiles, Sydney, Australia [where it is hot & smoky from bushfires & so ideal staying indoors researching weather] -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Frey Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 5:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy Hi Jenny, I don't know if this is going to be much help, but I have the CHAMPERNOWNEs in my FULFORD of Great Fulford genealogy and under Elizabeth I have: "She married Sir Edward Seymour, 1st Bt., son of Sir Edward Seymour and Margaret Walsh, on 19 September 1576." (The Peerage.com). "He held the office of Member of Parliament (M.P.) for Devon between 1590 and 1611.1 He held the office of High Sheriff of Devon in 1595.1 He held the office of High Sheriff of Devon in 1605.1 He was created 1st Baronet Seymour, of Berry Pomeroy [England] on 29 June 1611.1 Children of Sir Edward Seymour, 1st Bt. and Elizabeth Champernowne Sir Edward Seymour, 2nd Bt.+1 d. 5 Oct 1659 Bridget Seymour2 Mary Seymour2 Elizabeth Seymour2 John Seymour2 William Seymour2 Walter Seymour2 Richard Seymour2 Amy Seymour+2 b. 1597, d. 1639" (The Peerage.com) So I would start looking for children shortly after that date. Of course, since SEYMOUR held properties all over the place, the children would be baptised wherever they were when Elizabeth delivered. Sorry, but I didn't follow up on any of this information, but hopefully it will give you a clue as to what to look for. Cheers, Nancy Frey, Windsor, ON, Canada OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset [email protected] On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:01 PM Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Jane, > Thank-you very much for looking up the Berry Pomeroy entries. The marriage > for Elizabeth Seymour and George Cary is very helpful as that is my Mary > Seymour's sister. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea where any of the > 11 children born to Sir Edward Seymour & Elizabeth Champernown were born > or > even quite when the likely dates start. Edward Seymour was only 13 when he > married Elizabeth [although I think she was older] so I don't know when > their oldest child was born. They did have an Edward & an Amy and a Mary, > but those dates look late enough to be the next generation. > > I wonder what the feud was about! I will see if I can find out. > > I really appreciate your help. > > From Jenny Stiles _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

I can find a Thomas Dustan in 1773 Inwardleigh.. born to Josiah and Thomasin.. not what you want obviously I’ve looked at the images for both parishes, Inwardleigh and North Lew.. they are clear enough .. I don’t think there’s a gap in the record. He’s just not there. And no John and Hannah anywhere else that I can find. Jane Jane Lucas > On 5 Dec 2019, at 20:05, Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Pearl > > The 1801 census reports and returns from the clergy of the Parishes show that there may be between 1/4 and 1/5 baptisms missing from the Registers. For all the reasons Mike has outlined, and some others.. clerics not too diligent, people who didn’t bother.. and don’t forget private baptisms. The Church didn’t encourage this practise. It depended on an individual cleric as to whether the child would later be ‘received into the church’. > > As Mike says, non conformist baptisms were on the rise towards end C18.. so look for those records. Try BMD Registers > > https://bmdregisters.co.uk/ > > Totally agree though... very frustrating! > Jane > >> On 5 Dec 2019, at 16:15, Mike Gould <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Pearl, >> >> Sometimes, children aren't baptised. Sometimes, they are baptised in the parish of their grandparents (worth checking, if you know where both grandparent couples lived). Sometimes, children were baptised immediately on birth, if sickly, and then their entries onto the register may get forgotten. If entries on the register get missed out, then sometimes this is corrected many years later. Sometimes, parents are non-conformists and have their child or children baptised in a non-conformist church. The switch from Anglican to non-conformist (or vice versa) can occur after some children are baptised and before others. Sometimes, a child is baptised in a parish that has not currently had its registers transcribed, and therefore does not show up in searches. >> >> I've come across examples of all the above, so you're not alone ! >> >> Best wishes >> >> Mike Gould >> Leicestershire >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pearl Nemeth <[email protected]> >> Sent: 05 December 2019 14:05 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DEV] Thomas Squire 1773-1854 >> >> Hi List, >> Having done most of the lines in my family history, I have a burning question about individuals who don't show up in records even though you know where they were living at a particular time. >> >> My ggg grandfather was Thomas Squire who lived in Devon from 1773 to 1834 at which time he emigrated to the US. >> >> He was born the 6th child of John Squire and Hannah Dustan in Devon. >> >> John & Hannah's first three children were baptized in Inwardleigh. >> >> The next two were baptized in Northlew. >> *T**hen Thomas was born somewhere. * >> >> The last sibling was baptized in Inwardleigh again. >> >> He was married to Susanna Symons in Lewtrenchard, Devon on 19 March 1810. >> >> *The Devon Land Tax Records show that Thomas’s family was at Waddlestone >> (Warson) from 1810-1827.* >> >> I have searched high and low for Thomas's baptism to no avail and have pages of information on the siblings and their families and those of his parents hoping that something would show up. >> >> Surely, other researchers have run into this. What happens that an individual can be so missed in records when the family is otherwise well documented? Any ideas? >> >> Regards, >> Pearl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If you check the registers for Inwardleigh around 1770 there are five children born to John and Hannah plus one in North Lew. There is also a child of John and Joanna. None of these is a Thomas. There is a Thomas born to a John and Jane. I suggest you verify your sources and compare with the images on FMP. Cheers Paul Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Jane Lucas via DEVON <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 8:04:41 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: Jane Lucas <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] Re: Thomas Squire 1773-1854 Hi Pearl The 1801 census reports and returns from the clergy of the Parishes show that there may be between 1/4 and 1/5 baptisms missing from the Registers. For all the reasons Mike has outlined, and some others.. clerics not too diligent, people who didn’t bother.. and don’t forget private baptisms. The Church didn’t encourage this practise. It depended on an individual cleric as to whether the child would later be ‘received into the church’. As Mike says, non conformist baptisms were on the rise towards end C18.. so look for those records. Try BMD Registers https://bmdregisters.co.uk/ Totally agree though... very frustrating! Jane > On 5 Dec 2019, at 16:15, Mike Gould <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Pearl, > > Sometimes, children aren't baptised. Sometimes, they are baptised in the parish of their grandparents (worth checking, if you know where both grandparent couples lived). Sometimes, children were baptised immediately on birth, if sickly, and then their entries onto the register may get forgotten. If entries on the register get missed out, then sometimes this is corrected many years later. Sometimes, parents are non-conformists and have their child or children baptised in a non-conformist church. The switch from Anglican to non-conformist (or vice versa) can occur after some children are baptised and before others. Sometimes, a child is baptised in a parish that has not currently had its registers transcribed, and therefore does not show up in searches. > > I've come across examples of all the above, so you're not alone ! > > Best wishes > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pearl Nemeth <[email protected]> > Sent: 05 December 2019 14:05 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] Thomas Squire 1773-1854 > > Hi List, > Having done most of the lines in my family history, I have a burning question about individuals who don't show up in records even though you know where they were living at a particular time. > > My ggg grandfather was Thomas Squire who lived in Devon from 1773 to 1834 at which time he emigrated to the US. > > He was born the 6th child of John Squire and Hannah Dustan in Devon. > > John & Hannah's first three children were baptized in Inwardleigh. > > The next two were baptized in Northlew. > *T**hen Thomas was born somewhere. * > > The last sibling was baptized in Inwardleigh again. > > He was married to Susanna Symons in Lewtrenchard, Devon on 19 March 1810. > > *The Devon Land Tax Records show that Thomas’s family was at Waddlestone > (Warson) from 1810-1827.* > > I have searched high and low for Thomas's baptism to no avail and have pages of information on the siblings and their families and those of his parents hoping that something would show up. > > Surely, other researchers have run into this. What happens that an individual can be so missed in records when the family is otherwise well documented? Any ideas? > > Regards, > Pearl > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Pearl The 1801 census reports and returns from the clergy of the Parishes show that there may be between 1/4 and 1/5 baptisms missing from the Registers. For all the reasons Mike has outlined, and some others.. clerics not too diligent, people who didn’t bother.. and don’t forget private baptisms. The Church didn’t encourage this practise. It depended on an individual cleric as to whether the child would later be ‘received into the church’. As Mike says, non conformist baptisms were on the rise towards end C18.. so look for those records. Try BMD Registers https://bmdregisters.co.uk/ Totally agree though... very frustrating! Jane > On 5 Dec 2019, at 16:15, Mike Gould <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Pearl, > > Sometimes, children aren't baptised. Sometimes, they are baptised in the parish of their grandparents (worth checking, if you know where both grandparent couples lived). Sometimes, children were baptised immediately on birth, if sickly, and then their entries onto the register may get forgotten. If entries on the register get missed out, then sometimes this is corrected many years later. Sometimes, parents are non-conformists and have their child or children baptised in a non-conformist church. The switch from Anglican to non-conformist (or vice versa) can occur after some children are baptised and before others. Sometimes, a child is baptised in a parish that has not currently had its registers transcribed, and therefore does not show up in searches. > > I've come across examples of all the above, so you're not alone ! > > Best wishes > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pearl Nemeth <[email protected]> > Sent: 05 December 2019 14:05 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] Thomas Squire 1773-1854 > > Hi List, > Having done most of the lines in my family history, I have a burning question about individuals who don't show up in records even though you know where they were living at a particular time. > > My ggg grandfather was Thomas Squire who lived in Devon from 1773 to 1834 at which time he emigrated to the US. > > He was born the 6th child of John Squire and Hannah Dustan in Devon. > > John & Hannah's first three children were baptized in Inwardleigh. > > The next two were baptized in Northlew. > *T**hen Thomas was born somewhere. * > > The last sibling was baptized in Inwardleigh again. > > He was married to Susanna Symons in Lewtrenchard, Devon on 19 March 1810. > > *The Devon Land Tax Records show that Thomas’s family was at Waddlestone > (Warson) from 1810-1827.* > > I have searched high and low for Thomas's baptism to no avail and have pages of information on the siblings and their families and those of his parents hoping that something would show up. > > Surely, other researchers have run into this. What happens that an individual can be so missed in records when the family is otherwise well documented? Any ideas? > > Regards, > Pearl > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Have you had a look at the original images? Transcriptions don't normally advise about the condition of the register and whether there are gaps. I no longer have a FMP subscription so can't check the originals but searching the baptisms for the year 1773 in both places does have some partial entries where the father's name isn't transcribed which suggests that the condition is poor and some parts are illegible. Joy ------ Original Message ------ From: "Pearl Nemeth" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 5 Dec, 2019 At 14:05 Subject: [DEV] Thomas Squire 1773-1854 Hi List, Having done most of the lines in my family history, I have a burning question about individuals who don't show up in records even though you know where they were living at a particular time. My ggg grandfather was Thomas Squire who lived in Devon from 1773 to 1834 at which time he emigrated to the US. He was born the 6th child of John Squire and Hannah Dustan in Devon. John & Hannah's first three children were baptized in Inwardleigh. The next two were baptized in Northlew. *T**hen Thomas was born somewhere. * The last sibling was baptized in Inwardleigh again. He was married to Susanna Symons in Lewtrenchard, Devon on 19 March 1810. *The Devon Land Tax Records show that Thomas’s family was at Waddlestone (Warson) from 1810-1827.* I have searched high and low for Thomas's baptism to no avail and have pages of information on the siblings and their families and those of his parents hoping that something would show up. Surely, other researchers have run into this. What happens that an individual can be so missed in records when the family is otherwise well documented? Any ideas? Regards, Pearl _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/> and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref <http://bit.ly/rootswebpref> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] <https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected]> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY <https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY> Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 <https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog <http://rootsweb.blog> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Sher, Thanks for confirming I'm not losing it -- and surprised that nobody else has asked. I thought genealogists were inquisiitive people. With all the strange things going on with the Rootsweb Lists I am surprised anyone is still using them. Cheers, Nancy Frey, Windsor, ON, Canada OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset [email protected] On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 9:38 AM Sher Leetooze <[email protected]> wrote: > > Adjusted Subject line....... apparently most lists have that now - I > belong to Yorkshire List and it too is External - Heaven only knows why > - a goof-up by the computer guru at Ancestry. > > Sher >

Hi Pearl, Sometimes, children aren't baptised. Sometimes, they are baptised in the parish of their grandparents (worth checking, if you know where both grandparent couples lived). Sometimes, children were baptised immediately on birth, if sickly, and then their entries onto the register may get forgotten. If entries on the register get missed out, then sometimes this is corrected many years later. Sometimes, parents are non-conformists and have their child or children baptised in a non-conformist church. The switch from Anglican to non-conformist (or vice versa) can occur after some children are baptised and before others. Sometimes, a child is baptised in a parish that has not currently had its registers transcribed, and therefore does not show up in searches. I've come across examples of all the above, so you're not alone ! Best wishes Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: Pearl Nemeth <[email protected]> Sent: 05 December 2019 14:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Thomas Squire 1773-1854 Hi List, Having done most of the lines in my family history, I have a burning question about individuals who don't show up in records even though you know where they were living at a particular time. My ggg grandfather was Thomas Squire who lived in Devon from 1773 to 1834 at which time he emigrated to the US. He was born the 6th child of John Squire and Hannah Dustan in Devon. John & Hannah's first three children were baptized in Inwardleigh. The next two were baptized in Northlew. *T**hen Thomas was born somewhere. * The last sibling was baptized in Inwardleigh again. He was married to Susanna Symons in Lewtrenchard, Devon on 19 March 1810. *The Devon Land Tax Records show that Thomas’s family was at Waddlestone (Warson) from 1810-1827.* I have searched high and low for Thomas's baptism to no avail and have pages of information on the siblings and their families and those of his parents hoping that something would show up. Surely, other researchers have run into this. What happens that an individual can be so missed in records when the family is otherwise well documented? Any ideas? Regards, Pearl _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

The plaque is ready, a mock-up really, and will be placed on a board next the cenotaph on Mulkins St. Stittsville. We are in talks with the City where to actually place it, some red tape going on, but hopefully done by the Spring. Will let you know. Can send you a photo of it. Edna - sunny Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Sher Leetooze Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 9:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Historic Map Works c1879 Fantastic Work Edna! congratulations! Will your new plaque be up by the summer? If so, I'll pull in off the highway on my way passed going to Ottawa and have a look. Sher

Fantastic Work Edna!  congratulations!  Will your new plaque be up by the summer?  If so, I'll pull in off the highway on my way passed going to Ottawa and have a look. Sher On 12/4/2019 2:24 PM, Edna Marlow wrote: > Yes, it is a great site.   Very helpful as I was doing research into > names of those > Canadians and new immigrants who served and DIA in World War l, World > War ll and Afghanistan. > Some came over from Scotland and England as Quarrier and Bernardo > boys, they worked as farmers, > then enlisted, and so many gave their lives in France and Italy.    We > will be erecting a plaque/board near > our small cenotaph in the village of Stittsville (Ottawa) with all > their names, 39 in all, 38 men and one nursing > sister.   Bless them all. > > Edna - snowy Ottawa > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Frey > Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 1:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] Re: Historic Map Works c1879 > > Hi Edna, > > Thanks for the URL.  I have bookmarked it.  I see some of the maps are > from the Atlases which are available at the URL I posted, but one > can't have too many maps when doing genealogy. > > Cheers, > > > Nancy Frey, > Windsor, ON, Canada > OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset > [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community

Adjusted Subject line....... apparently most lists have that now - I belong to Yorkshire List and it too is External - Heaven only knows why - a goof-up by the computer guru at Ancestry. Sher On 12/4/2019 12:20 PM, Nancy Frey wrote: > Just curious. What does [EXTERNAL] in the subject denote? > > > Nancy Frey, > Windsor, ON, Canada > OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi List, Having done most of the lines in my family history, I have a burning question about individuals who don't show up in records even though you know where they were living at a particular time. My ggg grandfather was Thomas Squire who lived in Devon from 1773 to 1834 at which time he emigrated to the US. He was born the 6th child of John Squire and Hannah Dustan in Devon. John & Hannah's first three children were baptized in Inwardleigh. The next two were baptized in Northlew. *T**hen Thomas was born somewhere. * The last sibling was baptized in Inwardleigh again. He was married to Susanna Symons in Lewtrenchard, Devon on 19 March 1810. *The Devon Land Tax Records show that Thomas’s family was at Waddlestone (Warson) from 1810-1827.* I have searched high and low for Thomas's baptism to no avail and have pages of information on the siblings and their families and those of his parents hoping that something would show up. Surely, other researchers have run into this. What happens that an individual can be so missed in records when the family is otherwise well documented? Any ideas? Regards, Pearl

Yes, it is a great site. Very helpful as I was doing research into names of those Canadians and new immigrants who served and DIA in World War l, World War ll and Afghanistan. Some came over from Scotland and England as Quarrier and Bernardo boys, they worked as farmers, then enlisted, and so many gave their lives in France and Italy. We will be erecting a plaque/board near our small cenotaph in the village of Stittsville (Ottawa) with all their names, 39 in all, 38 men and one nursing sister. Bless them all. Edna - snowy Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Frey Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 1:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Historic Map Works c1879 Hi Edna, Thanks for the URL. I have bookmarked it. I see some of the maps are from the Atlases which are available at the URL I posted, but one can't have too many maps when doing genealogy. Cheers, Nancy Frey, Windsor, ON, Canada OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset [email protected]

Hi Jenny Dorothy KILLIGREW d/o Henry of Hanworth & Laroch married Edward SEYMOUR [2nd Bart] of Berry Pomeroy 15 Dec 1600 [do not know where the marriage was held] but assume in Essex at Gidea Hall. Dorothy I believe died in 1643 and is buried at St Mary's churchyard Berry Pomeroy Others buried at Berry Pomeroy Anne SEYMOUR born c 1609 died 1621 and buried Berry Pomeroy Anne Portman SEYMOUR born 21 May 1610 died 1695 and buried Berry Pomeroy Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jenny Stiles" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 2:51 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy > Hi List, > I am wondering if anybody can help me work out where I might find records > for the Seymour & Farewell family? > My 11th Great Grandmother is Mary Seymour [died 13 Dec 1660], daughter of > Sir Edward Seymour & his wife Elizabeth Champernowne [who married 19th

Just curious. What does [EXTERNAL] in the subject denote? Nancy Frey, Windsor, ON, Canada OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset [email protected]

Hi Jenny, I don't know if this is going to be much help, but I have the CHAMPERNOWNEs in my FULFORD of Great Fulford genealogy and under Elizabeth I have: "She married Sir Edward Seymour, 1st Bt., son of Sir Edward Seymour and Margaret Walsh, on 19 September 1576." (The Peerage.com). "He held the office of Member of Parliament (M.P.) for Devon between 1590 and 1611.1 He held the office of High Sheriff of Devon in 1595.1 He held the office of High Sheriff of Devon in 1605.1 He was created 1st Baronet Seymour, of Berry Pomeroy [England] on 29 June 1611.1 Children of Sir Edward Seymour, 1st Bt. and Elizabeth Champernowne Sir Edward Seymour, 2nd Bt.+1 d. 5 Oct 1659 Bridget Seymour2 Mary Seymour2 Elizabeth Seymour2 John Seymour2 William Seymour2 Walter Seymour2 Richard Seymour2 Amy Seymour+2 b. 1597, d. 1639" (The Peerage.com) So I would start looking for children shortly after that date. Of course, since SEYMOUR held properties all over the place, the children would be baptised wherever they were when Elizabeth delivered. Sorry, but I didn't follow up on any of this information, but hopefully it will give you a clue as to what to look for. Cheers, Nancy Frey, Windsor, ON, Canada OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset [email protected] On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:01 PM Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Jane, > Thank-you very much for looking up the Berry Pomeroy entries. The marriage > for Elizabeth Seymour and George Cary is very helpful as that is my Mary > Seymour's sister. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea where any of the > 11 children born to Sir Edward Seymour & Elizabeth Champernown were born or > even quite when the likely dates start. Edward Seymour was only 13 when he > married Elizabeth [although I think she was older] so I don't know when > their oldest child was born. They did have an Edward & an Amy and a Mary, > but those dates look late enough to be the next generation. > > I wonder what the feud was about! I will see if I can find out. > > I really appreciate your help. > > From Jenny Stiles

Jenny Have a look at GENUKI for Dartington. There are some Wills transcribed which may be of interest. Alice Farwell (1654 Alice Champernowne (1682) Gawine Champernowne (1592) https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Dartington#MilitaryHistory > On 4 Dec 2019, at 10:32, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Jane, > I can enquire to see if they have my branch. > > From Jenny > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 4:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Jane Lucas > Subject: [DEV] Re: Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy wills > > Jenny.. The Society of Genealogists have pedigrees of a number of surnames. Seymour is on the list, though obviously I can’t tell if it is ‘your’ Seymours. > They may well be able to help you. It might be worth emailing them. There is a copying service. > > http://www.sog.org.uk/search-records/pedigrees/letter/s > >> On 3 Dec 2019, at 11:49, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Terry, >> I just checked on FMP index & they list wills for Edward Seymour 1593 and Edward Seymour 1613-both mine. They have Arthur Champernowne 1578 too. Does FMP have the actual will? If they do, I might have to ask "Santa" for a subscription! >> >> From Jenny Stiles >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Len Heyward >> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 10:07 PM >> To: [email protected] ; [email protected] >> Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy >> >> Hi Folks; >> >> When looking at the SEYMOUR family of Berry Pomeroy it should not be forgotten they descend out of the SEYMOURs of Wiltshire, in particular Savernake. >> >> Happy Hunting >> >> Len Heyward >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: 3 December, 2019 3:49 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DEV] Re: [EXTERNAL] Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy >> >> Have you looked at the Devon Wills Index, on FMP & Genuki? >> >> Terry >> >> On 02/12/2019 15:09, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: >>> I had a look at Berry Pomeroy Registers. As Paul says, they only begin in 1602 (digitised on on Find My Past). >>> >>> I picked up the following which may or may not be useful: Is there any way you can narrow down possible places of baptism? >>> >>> The following are all Berry Pomeroy. >>> >>> Marriage: Elizabeth Seymor and George Cary 18 Dec 1609 (spelt Seimor in Boyd’s). >>> >>> Baptisms: >>> 1606 Mrs Katherine Seamore >>> 1609 Mrs Ann Seymour >>> 1610 Edward son of Edward Seymour >>> 1612 Henry Seymour >>> 1618 Mrs Margaret Seymour >>> 1619 Mrs Mary Seymour >>> 1620 Mrs Amey Seymour >>> >>> The only baptism with father’s name given is Edward. I haven’t come across ‘Mrs’ in baptism record before. Mark of respect? >>> >>> South West Heritage Trust online Catalogue has hundred of results for various Seymour related documents, but no Will mentioned. >>> >>> Interestingly there is a document dated 14th Oct 1598 referring to the “continuing feud between Seymour and Champernowne”. >>> >>> Although the online catalogue returned a large number of documents, I know that they hold a vast number of others that are difficult to find online. I’ve recently found children named in three live leases from the early 1600s. I didn’t know the documents existed until someone gave me a very old Devon archive reference. But I had to go into the Archives themselves because I couldn’t find anything even when putting the names into the search box. That reference led to dozens more. So the card index in the archives (it’s not online) is perhaps a good place to check? >>> >>> It might be worth asking a researcher to look for you? The baptisms themselves that you’re looking for are probably missing but you may be able to find reference to the children in estate documents and/or marriage settlements. >>> >>> Jane >>> Devon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:51, Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Paul, >>>> As you suggest, the male line is fairly easy to follow & those marriages are documented, but despite knowing the names of Mary Seymour & all her sisters spouses, I cannot find dates for any of them! There is plenty of evidence [Memorial Inscriptions, will etc.], but no baptisms for the girls & no marriage dates. Their father Edward Seymour was betrothed at 3 and married at 13, so even estimating likely dates can be right out... >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>> RootsWeb community >> -- >> >> Chairman - Devon Family History Society >> >> Registered Charity No. 282490 >> >> Mayflower International Genealogical Conference 2020 <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/mayflower_conference.pdf> >> >> Web site: http://www.devonfhs.org.uk <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> >> >> Email address: [email protected] >> >> Join from just £12 a year >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Edna, Thanks for the URL. I have bookmarked it. I see some of the maps are from the Atlases which are available at the URL I posted, but one can't have too many maps when doing genealogy. Cheers, Nancy Frey, Windsor, ON, Canada OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset [email protected] On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 2:07 PM Edna Marlow <[email protected]> wrote: > > Have been doing a little research in the Ottawa area and came upon this > excellent site: > > http://www.historicmapworks.com/Browse/Canada/Ontario/ > > Give it a try... > > Edna - sunny frosty Ottawa

Here's the URL for the Ontario Atlases. If you are researching folks in Ontario they are worth their weight in gold. http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/search.htm Nancy Frey, Windsor, ON, Canada OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset [email protected] On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:17 PM Sher Leetooze <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Elizabeth: > > Huron is a county in Ontario. It WAS a Bible Christian centre. All > around Exeter, the principal town, and out through the countryside into > at least two other townships. Loads of Devon folk there There's even a > small community (more of a cross-roads than a community) called Devon > Corners. Not that someone outside Ontario will know exactly where it > is, but there is a really good site from McGill University - County > Atlas site. They have digitized the old 1878 atlases and put them > online. Your contact can go online and call up Huron County and see > just where his/her ancestor lived - easier if the township is known so > you can zero into the correct area. Sorry, don't have the url - put > "McGill University-County Atlas Project" into a google search - you'll > get it. Good luck. > > Sher

Hi Mike, Pity that it turns out to be just an Administration, so there is no will to find. His heir was his son also Edward Seymour. Thank you for looking, From Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Mike Gould Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 1:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy wills Hi Jenny, FmP appear to just have the index entry, which is: Devon Wills Index, 1163-1999 First name(s) Edward (Sir) Last name Seymour Sex Male Occupation Lord Probate year 1593 Place Berry Pomeroy Original place Berry Pomeroy County Devon Country England Court Prerogative Court of Canterbury Source (see list) JHA Document type Administration Document form Abstract or Extract Document references PCC Admons. Vol. 3 f. 57 Record set Devon Wills Index, 1163-1999 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Wills & Probate Collections from Great Britain, England Best wishes Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Stiles <[email protected]> Sent: 03 December 2019 11:50 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Re: Seymour family of Berry Pomeroy wills Hi Terry, I just checked on FMP index & they list wills for Edward Seymour 1593 and Edward Seymour 1613-both mine. They have Arthur Champernowne 1578 too. Does FMP have the actual will? If they do, I might have to ask "Santa" for a subscription! From Jenny Stiles _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com