I have a copy of the page from the parish register showing that Joane BASTONE daughter of Edward BASTONE married John (?) at Ottery St Mary on 30 March 1709. Unfortunately I have been unable to decipher her husbands surname or where he came from. Can anyone help, please? Adrian

I think that with so many people out there making pedigrees, many of which unfortunately, are completely inaccurate, it's starting to get to be a real minefield. The point being don't guess because one likes the nice scenario one sees. I have mentioned before of finding an ancestor named Elizabeth Tozer shown as married to the great great grandfather (he never actually existed) of the person she really married of the same name. The mistake is so obvious as she would have been at the very least well over 140 on her death. Yet this error is appearing in many on line pedigrees for my family. Why do people never take a date clue from one ancestor, and calculate someone else's possible age from that persons death date. If it can't possible be right then it isn't. I've often seen silly details of dates entered against people. It's doubtful, improbable, but not likely that an 8 year old girl will be the wife of someone when their first child is born. As with one couple I recently noticed in a pedigree. It doesn't in many cases take a lot of research to prove some items. On many a pedigree Sir John St. Aubyn, 5th Baronet married Juliana Vinicombe on the 25 June 1822 at Saint Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England. This is as far as I can find out a fact I can't fault. However dates attached to this information are wildly in accurate as to both their birth dates. Some sources show Julianna born at Marazion, Cornwall, England in 1769 to Martin Vinicombe and Margaret Polgrean. Juliana is shown as having had 9 children the youngest when she was 12 according to some dates. Further research shows that all these children were born before the marriage, and that Juliana was said to be 40 (53 in my maths from some dates) at her marriage. However since she is always credited as being the mother of these 9 children in numerous pedigrees on pay for research sites, as well as others some usually completely reliable, she may have originally been a long term Mistress, whom he later married, and certainly was more than 12 as an earlier date for her birth was found. This was also backed up by Sir John also having five other children by another mistress Martha Nicholls. But try putting this all together from one wild pedigree doesn't really work. Even with all the available information on this couple I still can't be sure any of the information is even 50% correct, due to all the conflicting details. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Jones via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:59 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE BORN DEVON 1767 > Hallo Everyone! > I should like to say a big thank you to all of you [Elizabeth, Peter, Joy, > Terry and Christine] who reacted to my email last week with your ideas > about the birth/baptism of John VINNICOMBE who married Elizabeth VESEY in > Plymtree on 25 Apr 1791. I guess the real answer is that I will never know > for sure which baptism is the right one. With that in mind, I will have to > decide what to do, or not to do. > Whilst I find my own gtx2 grandfather Simon - son of John - clear, pinning > down his brother Robert with whom both father John and Simon appear in the > 1841 Plymtree census, is pretty impossible. I initially thought that > Robert married Mary COLES in Bradninch in 1848 [the bridegroom’s father is > confirmed as John in the marriage cert.] and then lived in Cullompton till > his death in 1875. But this Robert was born in Devon, Cullompton and > Plymtree, depending on which census I looked at, assuming also that it was > the same Robert and Mary each time. Maybe this Mary COLES did marry John’s > son. but there is a huge question mark over it. There are public trees > showing that Robert’s [Vinnicombe’s] second wife was Harriet Johnson, whom > he married at the St Thomas Reg. Office in November 1857. I now have the > marriage certificate which confirms that the bridegroom’s father was > William VINNICOMBE [deceased], rather than the expected John, so those > trees appear to be wrong. > What a minefield! Thanks again for your support. > Best Wishes, Richard in Brighton. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Adrian - have you checked the genuki index project page - I did the index for OSM (and some others) - I recall the name Bastone and on the offchance, it's possible you could find info there to help you. Just go to the Devon/genuki page and follow links through to the completed book indexes. Lora in Wisconsin On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Adrian via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have a copy of the page from the parish register showing that Joane > BASTONE daughter of Edward BASTONE married John (?) at Ottery St Mary on > 30 March 1709. Unfortunately I have been unable to decipher her husbands > surname or where he came from. > > Can anyone help, please? > > Adrian > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hallo Everyone! I should like to say a big thank you to all of you [Elizabeth, Peter, Joy, Terry and Christine] who reacted to my email last week with your ideas about the birth/baptism of John VINNICOMBE who married Elizabeth VESEY in Plymtree on 25 Apr 1791. I guess the real answer is that I will never know for sure which baptism is the right one. With that in mind, I will have to decide what to do, or not to do. Whilst I find my own gtx2 grandfather Simon - son of John - clear, pinning down his brother Robert with whom both father John and Simon appear in the 1841 Plymtree census, is pretty impossible. I initially thought that Robert married Mary COLES in Bradninch in 1848 [the bridegroom’s father is confirmed as John in the marriage cert.] and then lived in Cullompton till his death in 1875. But this Robert was born in Devon, Cullompton and Plymtree, depending on which census I looked at, assuming also that it was the same Robert and Mary each time. Maybe this Mary COLES did marry John’s son. but there is a huge question mark over it. There are public trees showing that Robert’s [Vinnicombe’s] second wife was Harriet Johnson, whom he married at the St Thomas Reg. Office in November 1857. I now have the marriage certificate which confirms that the bridegroom’s father was William VINNICOMBE [deceased], rather than the expected John, so those trees appear to be wrong. What a minefield! Thanks again for your support. Best Wishes, Richard in Brighton.

The 1841 census only recorded whether the person was born in the county where he was resident; so a man born in Somerset, and resident in Gloucestershire would have in the location column in the originals "No"; if born and resident in Somerset the answer would be "Yes". It was only from 1851 when birth location was more closely specified. Chris -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard via Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:43 AM To: Richard Jones ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 Hi, I see the family in the 1841 census transcription on genuki/devon/plymtree and that John is 74. There are 12 Vinnicombes in Perhams Grn Cot , including John, and Robert, John, and Simon all in their 40s . In the bapt registers of Cullompton there are a good many Vinnicombe bapts between 1755 and 1764 though not a John in 1767 . I would rather discount 74 as an accurate age , it was probably best guess .....but I think the John son of Simon bapt 1755 is probably not the right one either . Simon has James , Mary , Eliz and Simon between 1755-1762 , Amos has Mary and Sarah 1759 & 1761 , and James has two James in 1760 and 1764. This was a very quick search so I may well have missed others.......But it would seem that John is part of this C`ton family . I think that you need Bradninch , Clyst Hydon etc , all the parishes around Plymtree to be certain of finding him .....Its certainly a well known name in E Devon......... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Jones via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 > Hallo All! > > My researxh tells me that my maternal grandmother was a VINNICOMBE who > descended from John VINNICOMBE declared born in Devon in 1767 in the 1841 > census for Plymtree. John married Elizabeth Vesey in Plymtree on 25 Apr > 1791. Many researchers quote John’s place of birth as Plymtree, but there > is no such birth/baptism recorded in the Plymtree Parish Records as > meticulously transcribed by Edgar Hay, Archdeacon of Barnstaple, for the > Devon and Cornwall Record Society. There is a copy of Edgar Hay’s > transcription in the Devon Heritage Centre. Some researchers have John > VINNICOMBE b.1767 dying off well before the 1841 census but I have a copy > of his death certificate which has the mark of the death informant, his > daughter-in-law Lydia SELWAY. This mark proves the identity of the > deceased who died on 28 Dec 1841 in Plymtree, late enough for him to be > recorded in the census earlier that year. > > Many researchers show that John VINNICOMBE (born 1767) entered the world > at Plymtree. The fact that there is no record of his baptism in Plymtree > in the (transcribed) Parish Records and that John himself in 1841 did not > commit himself beyond a vague Devon as to his birth, puts this matter for > me into serious doubt. On the other hand, John’s wife’s (Elizabeth VESEY’s) > baptism and burial are squarely recorded in Plymtree. I am putting these > findings on DEV/ROOTSWEB in case they might be of help/use to someone, or > in case someone can enlighten me further. > > With Best Wishes - Richard Jones in Brighton. > > Devon FHS member no. 20316 > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But unfortunately there doesn't appear to be duplication. Two wills in FMP in NSW are not in Trove, although best searching efforts might not be good enough . :-( Louise -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Willcocks via Sent: 14 September 2014 16:07 To: 'elizabeth howard'; devon@rootsweb.com; 'B. Edmonds' Subject: Re: [DEV] New SouthW Wales -Australia will books Yes, FMP's subscription rates are split between all British data and, at another cost level, the rest of the world. The good and far better news is that information on Australian Wills and Probate can be found on-line in the completely free and digitized Australian newspapers -a major go-to resource for family history. Papers go up the 1940's and 50's and cover the prime and more localized publications across the entire continent. Papers are being constantly added. Wills and probate info appear in the form of a Legal Notice - much like nowadays. The one I found in a 1937 Cootamundra NSW newspaper even mentioned the executor's name. In keeping with this Devon-specific list, this person's father was the son of Robert Hulford, a North Molton Devon emigrant 1876. Just put in the Search Box the person's name - or simply the surname - and the word Probate - and voila! www.trove.nla.gov.au cheers, pamela -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard via Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:02 AM To: B. Edmonds; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] New SouthW Wales -Australia will books Hi Bev, thanks for this , FMP want even more money for us Brits to look at the wills !!!!!!!!!! and I have a modest Brit only sub !!! ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev, thanks for this , FMP want even more money for us Brits to look at the wills !!!!!!!!!! and I have a modest Brit only sub !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:32 PM Subject: [DEV] New SouthW Wales -Australia will books > Morning, > > This just came through on my local List. > > > NSW Will books 1800 - 1952 are now on line via FMP > > http://search.findmypast.com/search-world-Records/new-south-wales-will-books-1800-1952?sourceID=13or > http://tinyurl.com/m6a37td > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, FMP's subscription rates are split between all British data and, at another cost level, the rest of the world. The good and far better news is that information on Australian Wills and Probate can be found on-line in the completely free and digitized Australian newspapers -a major go-to resource for family history. Papers go up the 1940's and 50's and cover the prime and more localized publications across the entire continent. Papers are being constantly added. Wills and probate info appear in the form of a Legal Notice - much like nowadays. The one I found in a 1937 Cootamundra NSW newspaper even mentioned the executor's name. In keeping with this Devon-specific list, this person's father was the son of Robert Hulford, a North Molton Devon emigrant 1876. Just put in the Search Box the person's name - or simply the surname - and the word Probate - and voila! www.trove.nla.gov.au cheers, pamela -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard via Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:02 AM To: B. Edmonds; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] New SouthW Wales -Australia will books Hi Bev, thanks for this , FMP want even more money for us Brits to look at the wills !!!!!!!!!! and I have a modest Brit only sub !!!

Pamela That is great -- thanks for posting! Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida On 9/14/2014 11:06 AM, Pamela Willcocks via wrote: > Yes, FMP's subscription rates are split between all British data and, at > another cost level, the rest of the world. > > The good and far better news is that information on Australian Wills and > Probate can be found on-line in the completely free and digitized Australian > newspapers -a major go-to resource for family history. Papers go up the > 1940's and 50's and cover the prime and more localized publications across > the entire continent. Papers are being constantly added. > > Wills and probate info appear in the form of a Legal Notice - much like > nowadays. The one I found in a 1937 Cootamundra NSW newspaper even > mentioned the executor's name. > > In keeping with this Devon-specific list, this person's father was the son > of Robert Hulford, a North Molton Devon emigrant 1876. > > Just put in the Search Box the person's name - or simply the surname - and > the word Probate - and voila! > > www.trove.nla.gov.au > > cheers, > pamela > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of elizabeth howard via > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:02 AM > To: B. Edmonds; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] New SouthW Wales -Australia will books > > Hi Bev, thanks for this , FMP want even more money for us > Brits to look at the wills !!!!!!!!!! and I have a modest Brit only sub !!! > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Morning, This just came through on my local List. NSW Will books 1800 - 1952 are now on line via FMP http://search.findmypast.com/search-world-Records/new-south-wales-will-books-1800-1952?sourceID=13or http://tinyurl.com/m6a37td

Terry, John and Stella VINNICOMBE are my neighbours and are alive, John's grandfather, also John, was from Payhembury c. 1880, his g. grandfather James was born Plymtree c.1836 son of William and Mary. Best wishes, Chris http://feniton.blogspot.co.uk/ http://fenitonchurch.blogspot.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: Terry Blackmore [mailto:Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 13 September 2014 01:05 To: elizabeth howard; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 Not to sure on the details of this marriage, due to a lack of research as of yet on this part of the family. John R. J. Vinnicombe married a cousin of mine Stella F. Blackmore as far as I know they had two children Mark John Vinnicombe and Anne Vinnicombe. I know that branch of my family came from Sheldon, Devon. Which isn't a million miles from Cullompton. Where my line of descent of the Blackmore family once owned Moorhayes at Cullompton. They also came from Sheldon. I've no idea where John R.J. came from orginally, but may have been fairly local to Sheldon. The real point here is that there are so many John Vinnicombes of various spellings of the surname, around the dates mentioned it will be hard to prove, or define which one is which one, unless the family holds records. I would point out that following the details of the original posting John Vinnicombe appears to have been 50ish when he married. Though not for certain unlikely, but I'd probably be looking for another ! John Vinnicombe to fit the bill. Terry Blackmore

Not to sure on the details of this marriage, due to a lack of research as of yet on this part of the family. John R. J. Vinnicombe married a cousin of mine Stella F. Blackmore as far as I know they had two children Mark John Vinnicombe and Anne Vinnicombe. I know that branch of my family came from Sheldon, Devon. Which isn't a million miles from Cullompton. Where my line of descent of the Blackmore family once owned Moorhayes at Cullompton. They also came from Sheldon. I've no idea where John R.J. came from orginally, but may have been fairly local to Sheldon. The real point here is that there are so many John Vinnicombes of various spellings of the surname, around the dates mentioned it will be hard to prove, or define which one is which one, unless the family holds records. I would point out that following the details of the original posting John Vinnicombe appears to have been 50ish when he married. Though not for certain unlikely, but I'd probably be looking for another John Vinnicombe to fit the bill. Terry Blackmore -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:43 AM To: "Richard Jones" <richard.jones813@ntlworld.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 > Hi, I see the family in the 1841 census transcription > on genuki/devon/plymtree and that John is 74. There are 12 Vinnicombes > in > Perhams Grn Cot , including John, and Robert, John, and Simon all in their > 40s . In the bapt registers of Cullompton there are a good many Vinnicombe > bapts between 1755 and 1764 though not a John in 1767 . I would rather > discount 74 as an accurate age , it was probably best guess .....but I > think > the John son of Simon bapt 1755 is probably not the right one either . > Simon has James , Mary , Eliz and Simon between 1755-1762 , Amos has Mary > and Sarah 1759 & 1761 , and James has two James in 1760 and 1764. This > was > a very quick search so I may well have missed others.......But it would > seem > that John is part of this C`ton family . I think that you need > Bradninch > , Clyst Hydon etc , all the parishes around Plymtree to be certain of > finding him .....Its certainly a well known name in E Devon......... > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Jones via" <devon@rootsweb.com> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:06 PM > Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 > > >> Hallo All! >> >> My researxh tells me that my maternal grandmother was a VINNICOMBE who >> descended from John VINNICOMBE declared born in Devon in 1767 in the 1841 >> census for Plymtree. John married Elizabeth Vesey in Plymtree on 25 Apr >> 1791. Many researchers quote John’s place of birth as Plymtree, but >> there >> is no such birth/baptism recorded in the Plymtree Parish Records as >> meticulously transcribed by Edgar Hay, Archdeacon of Barnstaple, for the >> Devon and Cornwall Record Society. There is a copy of Edgar Hay’s >> transcription in the Devon Heritage Centre. Some researchers have John >> VINNICOMBE b.1767 dying off well before the 1841 census but I have a copy >> of his death certificate which has the mark of the death informant, his >> daughter-in-law Lydia SELWAY. This mark proves the identity of the >> deceased who died on 28 Dec 1841 in Plymtree, late enough for him to be >> recorded in the census earlier that year. >> >> Many researchers show that John VINNICOMBE (born 1767) entered the world >> at Plymtree. The fact that there is no record of his baptism in Plymtree >> in the (transcribed) Parish Records and that John himself in 1841 did >> not >> commit himself beyond a vague Devon as to his birth, puts this matter for >> me into serious doubt. On the other hand, John’s wife’s (Elizabeth VESEY’s) >> baptism and burial are squarely recorded in Plymtree. I am putting >> these >> findings on DEV/ROOTSWEB in case they might be of help/use to someone, or >> in case someone can enlighten me further. >> >> With Best Wishes - Richard Jones in Brighton. >> >> Devon FHS member no. 20316 >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Richard, If you haven't already done so I would suggest checking "nearby places" on the Genuki Devon Plymtree page and look to see which don't have church records online - there are several parishes that don't. Some have OPCs prepared to do lookups. There is a baptism of a John Vinnicomb at Butterleigh 6 Oct 1765, parents John and Elizabeth. Butterleigh is about 6 miles from Plymtree. Don't take ages on census returns as certainties. I have found very few consistent ages through the censuses with my ancestors, people may not even have known their exact age. I noticed that there is a transcription of the Cullompton baptisms on the Genuki Devon Cullompton page and the transcriber has interpreted one of the baptisms as 16th Aug 1767 James Vinicomb with a ? after James indicating the name was uncertain. The father's name was James and I see that John and Elizabeth named their first child James (baptism Plymtree 30 Oct 1791). The first son was often named after the paternal grandfather. You could possibly order a photocopy of that Cullompton PR page to confirm whether or not it could be interpreted as John. Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 11/09/2014 - 17:06 (UTC) To : DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 Hallo All! My researxh tells me that my maternal grandmother was a VINNICOMBE who descended from John VINNICOMBE declared born in Devon in 1767 in the 1841 census for Plymtree. John married Elizabeth Vesey in Plymtree on 25 Apr 1791. Many researchers quote John’s place of birth as Plymtree, but there is no such birth/baptism recorded in the Plymtree Parish Records as meticulously transcribed by Edgar Hay, Archdeacon of Barnstaple, for the Devon and Cornwall Record Society. There is a copy of Edgar Hay’s transcription in the Devon Heritage Centre. Some researchers have John VINNICOMBE b.1767 dying off well before the 1841 census but I have a copy of his death certificate which has the mark of the death informant, his daughter-in-law Lydia SELWAY. This mark proves the identity of the deceased who died on 28 Dec 1841 in Plymtree, late enough for him to be recorded in the census earlier that year. Many researchers show that John VINNICOMBE (born 1767) entered the world at Plymtree. The fact that there is no record of his baptism in Plymtree in the (transcribed) Parish Records and that John himself in 1841 did not commit himself beyond a vague Devon as to his birth, puts this matter for me into serious doubt. On the other hand, John’s wife’s (Elizabeth VESEY’s) baptism and burial are squarely recorded in Plymtree. I am putting these findings on DEV/ROOTSWEB in case they might be of help/use to someone, or in case someone can enlighten me further. With Best Wishes - Richard Jones in Brighton. Devon FHS member no. 20316 ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I see the family in the 1841 census transcription on genuki/devon/plymtree and that John is 74. There are 12 Vinnicombes in Perhams Grn Cot , including John, and Robert, John, and Simon all in their 40s . In the bapt registers of Cullompton there are a good many Vinnicombe bapts between 1755 and 1764 though not a John in 1767 . I would rather discount 74 as an accurate age , it was probably best guess .....but I think the John son of Simon bapt 1755 is probably not the right one either . Simon has James , Mary , Eliz and Simon between 1755-1762 , Amos has Mary and Sarah 1759 & 1761 , and James has two James in 1760 and 1764. This was a very quick search so I may well have missed others.......But it would seem that John is part of this C`ton family . I think that you need Bradninch , Clyst Hydon etc , all the parishes around Plymtree to be certain of finding him .....Its certainly a well known name in E Devon......... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Jones via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 > Hallo All! > > My researxh tells me that my maternal grandmother was a VINNICOMBE who > descended from John VINNICOMBE declared born in Devon in 1767 in the 1841 > census for Plymtree. John married Elizabeth Vesey in Plymtree on 25 Apr > 1791. Many researchers quote John’s place of birth as Plymtree, but there > is no such birth/baptism recorded in the Plymtree Parish Records as > meticulously transcribed by Edgar Hay, Archdeacon of Barnstaple, for the > Devon and Cornwall Record Society. There is a copy of Edgar Hay’s > transcription in the Devon Heritage Centre. Some researchers have John > VINNICOMBE b.1767 dying off well before the 1841 census but I have a copy > of his death certificate which has the mark of the death informant, his > daughter-in-law Lydia SELWAY. This mark proves the identity of the > deceased who died on 28 Dec 1841 in Plymtree, late enough for him to be > recorded in the census earlier that year. > > Many researchers show that John VINNICOMBE (born 1767) entered the world > at Plymtree. The fact that there is no record of his baptism in Plymtree > in the (transcribed) Parish Records and that John himself in 1841 did not > commit himself beyond a vague Devon as to his birth, puts this matter for > me into serious doubt. On the other hand, John’s wife’s (Elizabeth VESEY’s) > baptism and burial are squarely recorded in Plymtree. I am putting these > findings on DEV/ROOTSWEB in case they might be of help/use to someone, or > in case someone can enlighten me further. > > With Best Wishes - Richard Jones in Brighton. > > Devon FHS member no. 20316 > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, I'm sure that you, and other researchers, are aware of this baptism at Marldon (about 27m from Plymtree): First name(s): John Last name: Vennicom Birth date: 05 Jul 1770 Baptism date: 15 Jul 1770 Baptism place: Marldon, St John the Baptist Father's first name: Benjamin Mother's first name: Mary Regards Peter Hallo All! My researxh tells me that my maternal grandmother was a VINNICOMBE who descended from John VINNICOMBE declared born in Devon in 1767 in the 1841 census for Plymtree. John married Elizabeth Vesey in Plymtree on 25 Apr 1791. Many researchers quote John’s place of birth as Plymtree, but there is no such birth/baptism recorded in the Plymtree Parish Records as meticulously transcribed by Edgar Hay, Archdeacon of Barnstaple, for the Devon and Cornwall Record Society. There is a copy of Edgar Hay’s transcription in the Devon Heritage Centre. Some researchers have John VINNICOMBE b.1767 dying off well before the 1841 census but I have a copy of his death certificate which has the mark of the death informant, his daughter-in-law Lydia SELWAY. This mark proves the identity of the deceased who died on 28 Dec 1841 in Plymtree, late enough for him to be recorded in the census earlier that year. Many researchers show that John VINNICOMBE (born 1767) entered the world at Plymtree. The fact that there is no record of his baptism in Plymtree in the (transcribed) Parish Records and that John himself in 1841 did not commit himself beyond a vague Devon as to his birth, puts this matter for me into serious doubt. On the other hand, John’s wife’s (Elizabeth VESEY’s) baptism and burial are squarely recorded in Plymtree. I am putting these findings on DEV/ROOTSWEB in case they might be of help/use to someone, or in case someone can enlighten me further. With Best Wishes - Richard Jones in Brighton.

Morning all Clever Teresa G. has come up with the grooms name as John HARRODON and that the bride is ......therid?. Looking at Baptisms for the name I have come across Marie d/o John HARRADON/HARRDON and Gartheride.........which ties in with the marriage to EDMONDS in 1641. Thanks again for those who helped, I am most appreciative. Regards Bev

Hallo All! My researxh tells me that my maternal grandmother was a VINNICOMBE who descended from John VINNICOMBE declared born in Devon in 1767 in the 1841 census for Plymtree. John married Elizabeth Vesey in Plymtree on 25 Apr 1791. Many researchers quote John’s place of birth as Plymtree, but there is no such birth/baptism recorded in the Plymtree Parish Records as meticulously transcribed by Edgar Hay, Archdeacon of Barnstaple, for the Devon and Cornwall Record Society. There is a copy of Edgar Hay’s transcription in the Devon Heritage Centre. Some researchers have John VINNICOMBE b.1767 dying off well before the 1841 census but I have a copy of his death certificate which has the mark of the death informant, his daughter-in-law Lydia SELWAY. This mark proves the identity of the deceased who died on 28 Dec 1841 in Plymtree, late enough for him to be recorded in the census earlier that year. Many researchers show that John VINNICOMBE (born 1767) entered the world at Plymtree. The fact that there is no record of his baptism in Plymtree in the (transcribed) Parish Records and that John himself in 1841 did not commit himself beyond a vague Devon as to his birth, puts this matter for me into serious doubt. On the other hand, John’s wife’s (Elizabeth VESEY’s) baptism and burial are squarely recorded in Plymtree. I am putting these findings on DEV/ROOTSWEB in case they might be of help/use to someone, or in case someone can enlighten me further. With Best Wishes - Richard Jones in Brighton. Devon FHS member no. 20316

Hi, all three parishes, Inwardleigh, Okehampton, and Hatherleigh have OPCs so that is one line of enquiry. In the 1841 census in Hatherleigh with the spelling Pedrick, is a Jane, 30, with children John, 4, and Mary , 2. and a few doors away still in the High St, is William Pedrick , 65, blacksmith, wife Ann, and children William , 25, John, 15, Elizabeth ,15, Ann, 13, Sarah , 10. also living with them is Kitty Bennet , 9. and John Furzey , 20, J.smith. In the same census Auther ( as written) is 60, living at Northlew with Mary aged 25. And an Edward and Grace in Okehampton but he is a horsekeeper. No sign of Richard though. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Wilson via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:36 PM Subject: [DEV] Richard Pedderick born about 1744 > Hi, > > I am looking for the baptism and burial of Richard Pedderick (various > spellings) > > Known facts:- > On 21 Aug 1772 he married Sarah Vinney at Inwardleigh when he was > described as a sojourner. > Between 1773 and 1790 he baptised children in the Parish of Inwardleigh. > At least three of these children later appear in Hatherleigh. His son > WIlliam was also a blacksmith. > On 23 Jul 1803 he took on an apprentice blacksmith in the Parish of > Inwardleigh. > On 22 OCt 1832 his wife was buried at Hatherleigh aged 82. > > Possible baptism: - 24 Oct 1744 at Bridestowe, parents William Pedrick and > Susanna his wife. > WIlliam and Susanna baptised one more child at Bridestowe in 1745. The > only marriage I can find is some miles away at Shebbear on 24 Sep 1742 > when a William Pedderick married a Susanna Southcomb. A possible first son > Arthur was baptised in Black Torrington on 13 July 1743. > > If William was a blacksmith like his son would it be possible that he > would move around, with the market town of Hatherleigh, being the hub or > can anyone find a more likely set of parents for my Richard. > > I cannot find Richard buried in Hatherleigh, there is a Richard buried at > North Lew of about the correct age in 1810. > > Any help gratefully received. > > Ruth > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ruth I've just looked at your Ancestry tree - so, you know that Arthur and William PETHRICK, sons of Richard and Susannah PEDDERICK, were both blacksmiths, and were living together in 1851, aged 77 and 74 respectively, and that William had a son John PEDRICK who was also a blacksmith. Ann Spiro's Blacksmith website (http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com/) lists those three but also reveals that William had apparently taken as apprentice a James VANSTONE, probably a relative of his wife, who also had a blacksmith uncle Samuel VANSTONE. It also lists two more Hatherleigh-born blacksmiths: William PETHERICK, Master Blacksmith, of Okehampton, born ca 1819, and another Arthur PEDRICK of Holsworthy, born ca 1813. PETHRICK Authur Blacksmith 1851: Authur Petherick 74yrs, 14 Conduit Street, Okehampton, Devon. Born: Inwardleigh-DEV. Brother of William Pethrick 77yrs (blacksmith). PETHRICK William Blacksmith 1851: William Petherick 77yrs, 14 Conduit Street, Okehampton, Devon. Born: Inwardleigh-DEV. Wife: A.P. 61yrs born Broadwoodkelly-DEV. Daughter: A. P. PETHRICK 22yrs. Grand-daughter: Mary Ann P.Dennis 3yrs. Brother Authur Petherick 74yrs(blacksmith). Apprentice blacksmith James Vanstone 19yrs. PEDRICK John Blacksmith 1851: John Pedrick 24yrs, Brightley Cottage, Okehampton, Devon. Born: Hatherleigh-DEV. Wife: Lavinia 22yrs born Hatherleigh-DEV. See census 1851 for several lodgers ---------- PETHERICK William Blacksmith (Master), 1 Apprentice 1851: William Petherick 32yrs, 14 South Street, Okehampton, Devon. Born: Hatherleigh-DEV. Widower. Apprentice Blacksmith Thomas Bennett 22yrs. PEDRICK Arthur Blacksmith 1851: Arthur Pedrick 38yrs, Caw Cottage,Holsworthy, Devon. Born: Hatherleigh-DEV. Wife: Mary 34yrs born Instow-DEV. Children: Eliza 11yrs, Ann 9yrs, Arthur 8yrs, William 6yrs, Mary>A. 5yrs, Joanna 3yrs. Apprentice blacksmith: William Hoar 21yrs. -------- VANSTONE Samuel Blacksmith 1851: Samuel Vanstone 39yrs, Village, Okehampton, Devon. Born: Broadwood Kelly-DEV. Wife: Amey 35yrs born Bondleigh-DEV. Children: Samuel 8yrs, Emma 6yrs. Mother-in-law: Amey WESTAWAY 75yrs widow Pauper. VANSTONE James Blacksmith 1851: James Vanstone 19yrs, 14 Conduit Street, Okehampton, Devon. Born: Hatherleigh-DEV. Apprentice with William & A.P. PETHRICK (blacksmith). But no patriarch Richard PEDDERICK - not yet, not until you add him to Ann's Blacksmith register. I can't find any other possible parents of Richard PEDDERICK, but this 1851 data suggests that most of these blacksmiths were born at Inwardleigh or Hatherleigh but plied their trade in the town of Okehampton, which are all quite close together, and also quite close to Shebbear and Bridestow, and close to the possible burial at Northlew. I suggest Okehampton was the centre of their world for all these families. Regards - Martin Beavis

Hi, I am looking for the baptism and burial of Richard Pedderick (various spellings) Known facts:- On 21 Aug 1772 he married Sarah Vinney at Inwardleigh when he was described as a sojourner. Between 1773 and 1790 he baptised children in the Parish of Inwardleigh. At least three of these children later appear in Hatherleigh. His son WIlliam was also a blacksmith. On 23 Jul 1803 he took on an apprentice blacksmith in the Parish of Inwardleigh. On 22 OCt 1832 his wife was buried at Hatherleigh aged 82. Possible baptism: - 24 Oct 1744 at Bridestowe, parents William Pedrick and Susanna his wife. WIlliam and Susanna baptised one more child at Bridestowe in 1745. The only marriage I can find is some miles away at Shebbear on 24 Sep 1742 when a William Pedderick married a Susanna Southcomb. A possible first son Arthur was baptised in Black Torrington on 13 July 1743. If William was a blacksmith like his son would it be possible that he would move around, with the market town of Hatherleigh, being the hub or can anyone find a more likely set of parents for my Richard. I cannot find Richard buried in Hatherleigh, there is a Richard buried at North Lew of about the correct age in 1810. Any help gratefully received. Ruth