Hi You could try on the rootsweb mailing list NOVA-SCOTIA-L-request@rootsweb.com Regards Mike On 18/09/2014 14:57, elizabeth howard via wrote: > Hi, I am compiling biographies of all the WW1 soldiers who are on the Budleigh Salterton War Memorial and as usual have found several very unlikely Saltertonians. > Does anyone in Canada have access to anything which could give me the background to Lorne Arthur Hughes, he is a Lce Corp 25th Bttn Canadian Inf son of Robert and Bessie of Nova Scotia . He died aged 19 in July 1917 and is commemorated in Loos British Cemetary . > Can anyone find a link with Devon ? > > >

Hi, I am compiling biographies of all the WW1 soldiers who are on the Budleigh Salterton War Memorial and as usual have found several very unlikely Saltertonians. Does anyone in Canada have access to anything which could give me the background to Lorne Arthur Hughes, he is a Lce Corp 25th Bttn Canadian Inf son of Robert and Bessie of Nova Scotia . He died aged 19 in July 1917 and is commemorated in Loos British Cemetary . Can anyone find a link with Devon ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Hi, just thought I would add a useless pennyworth..........the name Vinnicombe is not that common, so there won`t be, aren`t , that many of them The first thing to do is to collect all Vinnicombe entries , and variants of the name, from all the parishes around Plymtree.......search a 10yr period before and after the assumed date of John`s birth. See what you get . and then search the burial registers for the same period to eliminate any babies who died........so that you don`t hang your family tree on a child who didn`t survive . You will if you put this amount of work in , find patterns of names for a start , and events like marriages in and around the original parish . If there is NO other candidate , then James Vinnicombe of Butterleigh is John`s father . Process of elimination . Get a copy of the mid and/or east Devon parish maps and literally cross off each parish as you have checked it . According to the Friends of Devon Archives Oath rolls and Freeholders lists, there are plenty of Vinnicombes in Thorverton which is within walking distance of Butterleigh , C`ton, Bradninch, and Plymtree. I can understand people giving up when they have got back to the early 1600s records are scarcer and some missing altogether , but 1800s is modern !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Jones via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:36 AM Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE b. Devon 1767. > > Hallo Cher, and All, > Thank you for your message for me to go to Great Britain and get among the > real facts and documents and don’t give up! I am very happy that you have > had > successful research trips here. I am not giving up because it is all too > difficult. > I am doing it because it is impossible to say that a baptism in village ‘x‘ > or ‘y’ is > the baptism of John VINNICOMBE’ who later married Elizabeth VESEY in > Plymtree, unless this knowledge has been passed down within your own > family. > I do not take the word of other researchers without > checking or doing it myself. Several other researchers carry on the > VINNICOMBE > line beyond John born Devon 1767. How can they be sure that James > VINNICOMBE > born Butterliegh is John’s father? Maybe they are right, but I do not wish > to > copy this. Maybe it is likely, but that is different to fact. So there you > have it from my > point of view.Thanks again for the advice, Richard, in Brighton, Great > Britain. > > > Richard: > Rather than give up, why not check out the "real" parish registers?? Why > would anyone take the word of other researchers as you have quoted here as > being totally inaccurate? I don't believe anything I haven't found > myself. I strongly urge every researcher to go to the home parish of their > ancestors and do the work yourself - well, the county record office these > days as few parish churches still hold their own records. I am a pensioner > with only my pension to live on, but I go to England (Devon and Cornwall) > once every five years to do my own research - no one can tell me its too > expensive - I've proved its not. It's the only way to research your > family. Once, in the record office at Exeter, I found a book written years > and years ago about my ancestral parish - and there they were, all of my > kin listed in it. Its the sort of find no one would have unless they were > at the repository that carries that sort of thing. Go to Gr. Britain and > do your research among "fantastic" documents, so that you can get the > "real" facts!!! > Sher > Ontario, Canada > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Budleigh Salterton War Memorial http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Budleigh%20Salterton/BudleighSaltertonWarMemorial1914to1918.htm Edna - Ottawa

Hi Joy, I have not followed this thread, could this be the family ? 1841 CensusPiece: HO107/226 Place: Hayridge -Devon Enumeration District: 12 Civil Parish: Plymtree Ecclesiastical Parish: Plymtree Folio: 8 Page: 10 Address: Normans Green ________________________________ Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks VINNICOMBE John M 45 Ag. Lab. Devon VINNICOMBE Lydia F 42 Devon VINNICOMBE Harriet F 5 Devon VINNICOMBE Mary F 1 Devon VINNICOMBE Joseph M 1 Devon VINNICOMBE John M 74 Ag. Lab. Devon VINNICOMBE Robert M 42 Ag. Lab. Devon Information from FREECEN Steve Dinham

Library & Archives Canada http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/canadian-expeditionary-force.aspx Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard via Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:57 AM To: DEVON Subject: [DEV] LORNE ARTHUR HUGHES Hi, I am compiling biographies of all the WW1 soldiers who are on the Budleigh Salterton War Memorial and as usual have found several very unlikely Saltertonians. Does anyone in Canada have access to anything which could give me the background to Lorne Arthur Hughes, he is a Lce Corp 25th Bttn Canadian Inf son of Robert and Bessie of Nova Scotia . He died aged 19 in July 1917 and is commemorated in Loos British Cemetary . Can anyone find a link with Devon ? http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/canadian-expeditionary-force.aspx

Hello Richard, Never say never! If you search the surrounding parishes for all possible baptisms you might get lucky and find the magic phrase "of Plymtree" on the record (as with the note "of Marazion" on Juliana Vinicombe's baptism). That is why it is important to see the original image - often notes aren't transcribed. Also, there was a tendency to use the same names in families and sometimes one particular family stands out as the most likely because of the similarity of names. I have several dead ends where the family moved parishes and there are several possibie baptisms to choose from. I have solved some of them in the past by finding supporting evidence. It is important not to get tunnel vision and to thoroughly check out all the siblings in every generation (including who the daughters married). Sometimes a family member appears as a lodger with one of them in a census or several may have ended up in one particular parish or married people from a neighbouring parish which often indicates that there are family connections in that parish and it is the one where the family originated. If their children follow the same naming pattern as your own ancestor's children then that helps to support the theory that the first boy is named after the paternal grandfather, the frst girl is named after the maternal grandmother and you start looking for a baptism with those parental names. Other members of the family may even have helpfully added the grand! mother's maiden name as one of their children's middle name. Marriage witnesses are another source of information. I don't add people to my tree until I am confident I have enough supporting evidence but I keep notes about the various possibles and revisit them every now and then to see if any new data has come online. Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 17/09/2014 - 21:53 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] THE PEDIGREE MINEFIELD Hallo again Terry and All; Thank you very much for your very valid observations and examples on pedigrees. I had effectively given up any more research on JohnVINNICOMBE and on his son Robert. I chose to say on rootsweb that John died in 1842 which was provable because the death cert. quoted that his dau-in-law Lydia SELWAY was the informant. Some trees were showing an earlier death. Maybe, inadvisably said that ‘maybe someone could enlighten me’. I am truly grateful for the reaction received, but I have decided to call it a day with John VINNICOMBE as I will never be able to prove which baptism belongs to the John who married Elizabeth VESEY. Equally, I shall steer clear of his son Robert about which the only provable facts are that he existed (1841 census) and that he was born in Devon. With best wishes, Richard (Brighton)

----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 17/09/2014 - 21:53 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] THE PEDIGREE MINEFIELD Hallo again Terry and All; Thank you very much for your very valid observations and examples on pedigrees. I had effectively given up any more research on JohnVINNICOMBE and on his son Robert. I chose to say on rootsweb that John died in 1842 which was provable because the death cert. quoted that his dau-in-law Lydia SELWAY was the informant. Some trees were showing an earlier death. Maybe, inadvisably said that ‘maybe someone could enlighten me’. I am truly grateful for the reaction received, but I have decided to call it a day with John VINNICOMBE as I will never be able to prove which baptism belongs to the John who married Elizabeth VESEY. Equally, I shall steer clear of his son Robert about which the only provable facts are that he existed (1841 census) and that he was born in Devon. With best wishes, Richard (Brighton) I think that with so many people out there making pedigrees, many of which unfortunately, are completely inaccurate, it's starting to get to be a real minefield. The point being don't guess because one likes the nice scenario one sees. I have mentioned before of finding an ancestor named Elizabeth Tozer shown as married to the great great grandfather (he never actually existed) of the person she really married of the same name. The mistake is so obvious as she would have been at the very least well over 140 on her death. Yet this error is appearing in many on line pedigrees for my family. Why do people never take a date clue from one ancestor, and calculate someone else's possible age from that persons death date. If it can't possible be right then it isn't. I've often seen silly details of dates entered against people. It's doubtful, improbable, but not likely that an 8 year old girl will be the wife of someone when their first child is born. As with one couple I recently noticed in a pedigree. It doesn't in many cases take a lot of research to prove some items. On many a pedigree Sir John St. Aubyn, 5th Baronet married Juliana Vinicombe on the 25 June 1822 at Saint Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England. This is as far as I can find out a fact I can't fault. However dates attached to this information are wildly in accurate as to both their birth dates. Some sources show Julianna born at Marazion, Cornwall, England in 1769 to Martin Vinicombe and Margaret Polgrean. Juliana is shown as having had 9 children the youngest when she was 12 according to some dates. Further research shows that all these children were born before the marriage, and that Juliana was said to be 40 (53 in my maths from some dates) at her marriage. However since she is always credited as being the mother of these 9 children in numerous pedigrees on pay for research sites, as well as others some usually completely reliable, she may have originally been a long term Mistress, whom he later married, and certainly was more than 12 as an earlier date for her birth was found. This was also backed up by Sir John also having five other children by another mistress Martha Nicholls. But try putting this all together from one wild pedigree doesn't really work. Even with all the available information on this couple I still can't be sure any of the information is even 50% correct, due to all the conflicting details. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Cher, and All, Thank you for your message for me to go to Great Britain and get among the real facts and documents and don’t give up! I am very happy that you have had successful research trips here. I am not giving up because it is all too difficult. I am doing it because it is impossible to say that a baptism in village ‘x‘ or ‘y’ is the baptism of John VINNICOMBE’ who later married Elizabeth VESEY in Plymtree, unless this knowledge has been passed down within your own family. I do not take the word of other researchers without checking or doing it myself. Several other researchers carry on the VINNICOMBE line beyond John born Devon 1767. How can they be sure that James VINNICOMBE born Butterliegh is John’s father? Maybe they are right, but I do not wish to copy this. Maybe it is likely, but that is different to fact. So there you have it from my point of view.Thanks again for the advice, Richard, in Brighton, Great Britain. Richard: Rather than give up, why not check out the "real" parish registers?? Why would anyone take the word of other researchers as you have quoted here as being totally inaccurate? I don't believe anything I haven't found myself. I strongly urge every researcher to go to the home parish of their ancestors and do the work yourself - well, the county record office these days as few parish churches still hold their own records. I am a pensioner with only my pension to live on, but I go to England (Devon and Cornwall) once every five years to do my own research - no one can tell me its too expensive - I've proved its not. It's the only way to research your family. Once, in the record office at Exeter, I found a book written years and years ago about my ancestral parish - and there they were, all of my kin listed in it. Its the sort of find no one would have unless they were at the repository that carries that sort of thing. Go to Gr. Britain and do your research among "fantastic" documents, so that you can get the "real" facts!!! Sher Ontario, Canada

Hallo again Terry and All; Thank you very much for your very valid observations and examples on pedigrees. I had effectively given up any more research on JohnVINNICOMBE and on his son Robert. I chose to say on rootsweb that John died in 1842 which was provable because the death cert. quoted that his dau-in-law Lydia SELWAY was the informant. Some trees were showing an earlier death. Maybe, inadvisably said that ‘maybe someone could enlighten me’. I am truly grateful for the reaction received, but I have decided to call it a day with John VINNICOMBE as I will never be able to prove which baptism belongs to the John who married Elizabeth VESEY. Equally, I shall steer clear of his son Robert about which the only provable facts are that he existed (1841 census) and that he was born in Devon. With best wishes, Richard (Brighton) I think that with so many people out there making pedigrees, many of which unfortunately, are completely inaccurate, it's starting to get to be a real minefield. The point being don't guess because one likes the nice scenario one sees. I have mentioned before of finding an ancestor named Elizabeth Tozer shown as married to the great great grandfather (he never actually existed) of the person she really married of the same name. The mistake is so obvious as she would have been at the very least well over 140 on her death. Yet this error is appearing in many on line pedigrees for my family. Why do people never take a date clue from one ancestor, and calculate someone else's possible age from that persons death date. If it can't possible be right then it isn't. I've often seen silly details of dates entered against people. It's doubtful, improbable, but not likely that an 8 year old girl will be the wife of someone when their first child is born. As with one couple I recently noticed in a pedigree. It doesn't in many cases take a lot of research to prove some items. On many a pedigree Sir John St. Aubyn, 5th Baronet married Juliana Vinicombe on the 25 June 1822 at Saint Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England. This is as far as I can find out a fact I can't fault. However dates attached to this information are wildly in accurate as to both their birth dates. Some sources show Julianna born at Marazion, Cornwall, England in 1769 to Martin Vinicombe and Margaret Polgrean. Juliana is shown as having had 9 children the youngest when she was 12 according to some dates. Further research shows that all these children were born before the marriage, and that Juliana was said to be 40 (53 in my maths from some dates) at her marriage. However since she is always credited as being the mother of these 9 children in numerous pedigrees on pay for research sites, as well as others some usually completely reliable, she may have originally been a long term Mistress, whom he later married, and certainly was more than 12 as an earlier date for her birth was found. This was also backed up by Sir John also having five other children by another mistress Martha Nicholls. But try putting this all together from one wild pedigree doesn't really work. Even with all the available information on this couple I still can't be sure any of the information is even 50% correct, due to all the conflicting details.

Hallo Bev and All! Many thanks for your hint. I had a similar case where my great uncle Percy VINNICOMBE b. 1883 in Buckerell, who I did not know existed, turned up as a 7 year old living with his maternal HITCHCOCK grandparents in the 1901 census in Awliscombe with the magic word ‘grandson’. I believe that I have searched all other parts of the family, where a link would be provable. In reply to another email, my answer is going to explain that I have decided to call it a day on researching John VINNICOMBE’s past before his marriage to Elizabeth VESEY, because of there being little or no hope of proving that my findings are the correct or not. Thanks all the same. It is appreciated. Richard from Brighton. . Hello Richard, Has it occurred to you to trace all the possible John VINNICOMBE'S and their families?[I am sure you have] You may not find the link until you get to the grandchildren [who they are staying with in census etc] I could not find my William EDMONDS c 1766 until I got to the 1901 census when a grandchild was staying somewhere or other where I did not expect him to be and was classed as a nephew or similar [forget now]. I was then able to scoot half way across Devon, and sure enough William was found in that Parish [not on-line at that time] Bev

I noticed that this marriage is in FMP twice, once for Boyd's Index and once for the registers. Only the register entry has an image attached, but both seem to have come independently to the conclusion it is Searle. There are a number of entries for Searle and variants for both Ottery St Mary and the groom's given parish Buckerell around this time. Further corroboration may come from tracking down the Bishop's Transcripts. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter via Sent: 17 September 2014 08:18 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] OTTERRY ST MARY MARRIAGE Adrian. FMP transcribes it as Searle which looking at the image seems correct. Peter I have a copy of the page from the parish register showing that Joane BASTONE daughter of Edward BASTONE married John (?) at Ottery St Mary on 30 March 1709. Unfortunately I have been unable to decipher her husbands surname or where he came from. Can anyone help, please? Adrian ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard: Rather than give up, why not check out the "real" parish registers?? Why would anyone take the word of other researchers as you have quoted here as being totally inaccurate? I don't believe anything I haven't found myself. I strongly urge every researcher to go to the home parish of their ancestors and do the work yourself - well, the county record office these days as few parish churches still hold their own records. I am a pensioner with only my pension to live on, but I go to England (Devon and Cornwall) once every five years to do my own research - no one can tell me its too expensive - I've proved its not. It's the only way to research your family. Once, in the record office at Exeter, I found a book written years and years ago about my ancestral parish - and there they were, all of my kin listed in it. Its the sort of find no one would have unless they were at the repository that carries that sort of thing. Go to Gr. Britain and do your research among "fantastic" documents, so that you can get the "real" facts!!! Sher Ontario, Canada At 09:53 PM 17/09/2014 +0100, you wrote: >Hallo again Terry and All; Thank you very much for your very valid >observations and examples on pedigrees. I had effectively given up any >more research on JohnVINNICOMBE and on his son Robert. I chose to say on >rootsweb that John died in 1842 which was provable because the death cert. >quoted that his dau-in-law Lydia SELWAY was the informant. Some trees were >showing an earlier death. Maybe, inadvisably said that ‘maybe someone >could enlighten me’. I am truly grateful for the reaction received, but >I have decided to call it a day with John VINNICOMBE as I will never be >able to prove which baptism belongs to the John who married Elizabeth >VESEY. Equally, I shall steer clear of his son Robert about which the only >provable facts are that he existed (1841 census) and that he was born in >Devon. With best wishes, Richard (Brighton) I think that with so many >people out there making pedigrees, many of which unfortunately, are >completely inaccurate, it's starting to get to be a real minefield. The >point being don't guess because one likes the nice scenario one sees. I >have mentioned before of finding an ancestor named Elizabeth Tozer shown >as married to the great great grandfather (he never actually existed) of >the person she really married of the same name. The mistake is so obvious >as she would have been at the very least well over 140 on her death. Yet >this error is appearing in many on line pedigrees for my family. Why do >people never take a date clue from one ancestor, and calculate someone >else's possible age from that persons death date. If it can't possible be >right then it isn't. I've often seen silly details of dates entered >against people. It's doubtful, improbable, but not likely that an 8 year >old girl will be the wife of someone when their first child is born. As >with one couple I recently noticed in a pedigree. It doesn't in many cases >take a lot of research to prove some items. On many a pedigree Sir John >St. Aubyn, 5th Baronet married Juliana Vinicombe on the 25 June 1822 at >Saint Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England. This is as far as I can find >out a fact I can't fault. However dates attached to this information are >wildly in accurate as to both their birth dates. Some sources show >Julianna born at Marazion, Cornwall, England in 1769 to Martin Vinicombe >and Margaret Polgrean. Juliana is shown as having had 9 children the >youngest when she was 12 according to some dates. Further research shows >that all these children were born before the marriage, and that Juliana >was said to be 40 (53 in my maths from some dates) at her marriage. >However since she is always credited as being the mother of these 9 >children in numerous pedigrees on pay for research sites, as well as >others some usually completely reliable, she may have originally been a >long term Mistress, whom he later married, and certainly was more than 12 >as an earlier date for her birth was found. This was also backed up by Sir >John also having five other children by another mistress Martha Nicholls. >But try putting this all together from one wild pedigree doesn't really >work. 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I think the parish is Buckerell Margaret in Honiton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: "Peter" <peterj.martin@lineone.net>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] OTTERRY ST MARY MARRIAGE > Hello Peter > > Thank you very much for your help. I agree, it does look like Searle. > > I am still having problems deciphering the name of the parish John came > from. It looks like Bur...th. Unfortunately it does not look like any of > the parishes listed under Devon in GENUKI. > > Adrian > > On 17/09/2014 08:18, Peter via wrote: >> Adrian. >> >> FMP transcribes it as Searle which looking at the image seems correct. >> >> Peter >> >> >> I have a copy of the page from the parish register showing that Joane >> BASTONE daughter of Edward BASTONE married John (?) at Ottery St Mary on >> 30 March 1709. Unfortunately I have been unable to decipher her husbands >> surname or where he came from. >> >> Can anyone help, please? >> >> Adrian >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 17 September 2014 08:01, <devon-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:47:07 +0100 > From: Adrian <adrianp7@talktalk.net> > Subject: [DEV] OTTERRY ST MARY MARRIAGE > To: Devon List <devon@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <54192E6B.2070100@talktalk.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I have a copy of the page from the parish register showing that Joane > BASTONE daughter of Edward BASTONE married John (?) at Ottery St Mary on > 30 March 1709. Unfortunately I have been unable to decipher her husbands > surname or where he came from. > > Can anyone help, please? > > Adrian > At first glance I thought it was John STARK, but FMP has him transcribed as John SEARLE and I think I agree. Incidentally, I have BAST*N ancestors on Ottery. Earliest so far is Richard BASSTONE, my great x6 grandfather, who married Elizabeth PERRY in 1736. The Parish Registers on FMP are a priceless resource for Devon research! Maureen Kenchington Researching: Waycott, Fewings, Piper, Burgoyne, Johns, Phillips, Paddon, Streat; Morrish, Rowd*n, Pike, Lowder, Flood, Parsons and others. All in glorious Devon! Member of the Guild of One Name Studies (Waycott) http://www.one-name.org/profiles/waycott

Hello Peter Thank you very much for your help. I agree, it does look like Searle. I am still having problems deciphering the name of the parish John came from. It looks like Bur...th. Unfortunately it does not look like any of the parishes listed under Devon in GENUKI. Adrian On 17/09/2014 08:18, Peter via wrote: > Adrian. > > FMP transcribes it as Searle which looking at the image seems correct. > > Peter > > > I have a copy of the page from the parish register showing that Joane > BASTONE daughter of Edward BASTONE married John (?) at Ottery St Mary on > 30 March 1709. Unfortunately I have been unable to decipher her husbands > surname or where he came from. > > Can anyone help, please? > > Adrian >

Hi, Ancestry has a bapt of a John Hicks Harris son of Sampson and Dorothy Harris on 4th May 1777 in Stoke Dameral ,in their England , Select Marriages records. and it seems from a further search that Sampson Harris married Dorothy Courts in 1756 in Cardinham Cornwall . The Ancestry tree has Sampson`s parents as Richard and Mary Harris. There is also a marriage of a John Harris to Elizabeth Hicks , in July 1800 at Stoke Damerel. , but there are also marriages of John Harris in Stoke Damerel to Mary , Eleanor, Susanna, Hannah etc You could buy the Deanery of the Three Towns cd from the DFHS or you could get a printout of all John Harris marriages from DFHS from 1754 - 1837 . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Dixon via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:58 AM Subject: [DEV] John Hicks Harris > Please can anyone help me out with the marriage of John Hicks Harris ? He > was born in Stoke Damerel in 1777 and I am trying to tie him to the birth > of Sampson Harris in 1812 in Stoke Damerel. thank you for your help. > sue > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Terry, Regarding Juliana Vinicombe St Aubyn, 1769 seems to be the correct birth date. The 1851 census gives Juliana's age as 81 and her birthplace as Marazion. This fits with a baptism 04 Jun 1769 at St Hilary, parents Martin and Margaret. Note on the register says baptised at Marazion. http://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3700649 There is an article in the Royal Cornwall Gazette 27 June 1856: Crowan, on Wednesday June 25th, the relict of the late Sir John St Aubyn, of Clowance, was buried in the vault at the church in Crowan. The coffin was a plain black cloth covered one on the outside, enclosing a lead one, and was brought from London the previous day. The brass breastplate had engraved on it "Dame Juliana St Aubyn, died June 14th aged 87". Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 17/09/2014 - 06:03 (GMTST) To : richard.jones813@ntlworld.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE BORN DEVON 1767 On many a pedigree Sir John St. Aubyn, 5th Baronet married Juliana Vinicombe on the 25 June 1822 at Saint Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England. This is as far as I can find out a fact I can't fault. However dates attached to this information are wildly in accurate as to both their birth dates. Some sources show Julianna born at Marazion, Cornwall, England in 1769 to Martin Vinicombe and Margaret Polgrean. Juliana is shown as having had 9 children the youngest when she was 12 according to some dates. Further research shows that all these children were born before the marriage, and that Juliana was said to be 40 (53 in my maths from some dates) at her marriage. However since she is always credited as being the mother of these 9 children in numerous pedigrees on pay for research sites, as well as others some usually completely reliable, she may have originally been a long term Mistress, whom he later married, and certainly was more than 12 as an earlier date for her birth was found. This was also backed up by Sir John also having five other children by another mistress Martha Nicholls. But try putting this all together from one wild pedigree doesn't really work. Even with all the available information on this couple I still can't be sure any of the information is even 50% correct, due to all the conflicting details. --------------------------------------------------

Please can anyone help me out with the marriage of John Hicks Harris ? He was born in Stoke Damerel in 1777 and I am trying to tie him to the birth of Sampson Harris in 1812 in Stoke Damerel. thank you for your help. sue

Adrian. FMP transcribes it as Searle which looking at the image seems correct. Peter I have a copy of the page from the parish register showing that Joane BASTONE daughter of Edward BASTONE married John (?) at Ottery St Mary on 30 March 1709. Unfortunately I have been unable to decipher her husbands surname or where he came from. Can anyone help, please? Adrian