Hello Jenny I think your persons of interest are: (1) James son of William & Mary DOBB, baptised Tawstock, February 26 1809 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukdevon/TawstockBaptisms.htm See also http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukdevon/TawstockBurials.htm These web pages have transcriptions of Tawstock baptisms and burials including lots of DOBB from 1754 to 1812 (which are not yet digitised and uploaded to FMP) but there is no companion page for marriages (though GoogleBooks lists a DFHS transcription in print). Tawstock is near Barnstaple. (2) Mary Ann VENN Baptism year 1819 Birth date 19 Sep 1819 Father George VENN, Labourer, Mother Elizabeth Baptism place Heavitree, Residence East Wonford FMP DFHS transcription, no image James and Mary married at Exeter Cathedral on 20 Dec 1835. The FMP transcription and image indicate they were both resident within the parochial precinct known as The Close, suggesting James had moved from the Barnstaple area to Exeter. James and Mary DOBB appear in the 1841 census of Broadclyst, with 3 children all born in Devon (the eldest James, born ca 1836/37). In the 1851 census of West Teignmouth, they appear as DOBBS, James age 42 (born 1808/09) and Mary Ann age 38 (born 1812/13) with 6 children (having had at least 7, all except the youngest born Broadclyst). The birth places of James and Mary Ann are "Not Known", which I suppose means not disclosed to the enumerator. James is a Labourer. The second youngest child is Richard born Broadclyst, age 3 (born 1847/48). The 1861 census of Woodbury, St Thomas, has James DABB, married, born Tawstock, age 52 (born 1808/09) and also Richard DABB, 12, born Broadclyst, both listed as lodger and carter, = same father and son as in 1851. In the 1861 census of West Teignmouth, Mary Ann DOBBS married, born [illegible, but anonymously annotated as Exeter], age 47 so born ca 1813/14 and daughter Ann born Broadclyst, age 22, born ca 1838/39, are house servants in West Teignmouth. So James and Mary Ann may have been living apart, for personal or economic reasons, or James and Richard might have been lodging overnight while on the road (think HGV drivers). The 1861 census of St Sidwell, Exeter has James DOBB born Exeter, age 24 so born ca 1836/37, wife Elizabeth and children born Barnstaple and Exeter. This is probably James, eldest son of James and Mary Ann. The Q1 1866 death of James DOBB in Newton Abbot RD [FreeBMD] is consistent with death in West Teignmouth parish, but not with birth in 1809. The age of 52 in the image of the typeset record may be a mis-reading of 57 (i.e. born 1809) during the compilation of that volume. I think you need to see the a copy of his death certificate. FreeBMD also has the death of a (probably related) James DOBB in Q3 1860 in Barnstaple RD, which some public trees wrongly cite as evidence of the death of the James in the subsequent 1861 census. The 1861 census of East Teignmouth is quite interesting. The 17-year-old unmarried daughter Sarah is head of household, a laundress, living with her 10-year-old brother Charles. I see from your public Thomas Family Tree on Ancestry that Sarah had an illegitimate child, Elizabeth Ann DOBB, in the Newton Abbot workhouse in February 1864. In the 1871 census of West Teignmouth, Mary Ann DOBB, widow, born Heavitree, age 55 (born 1815/16) and her daughter Sarah, born Broadclyst age 26 (born 1844/45) are servants in the same household as in 1861. Sarah apparently married soon after. Her daughter Elizabeth Ann does not seem to be in the 1871 census, but by 1881 is living in the Plymouth household of her (re-married) uncle John DOBB, china dealer. In the 1881 census of West Teignmouth, Mary Ann DOBB, 65, and an Elizabeth DOBB, 33, widow, born Dawlish (ca 1848), are both living as servants in the same household as in 1861 and 1871. The 1871 census reveals that Elizabeth to be the widow of Richard DOBB born 1824, i.e. the daughter-in-law of Mary Ann DOBB. In the 1891 census of East Teignmouth, Mary A DOBB, 74, is living in the household of her married niece Elizabeth Ann THOMAS (nee DOBB, born 1864). Mary Ann DOBB died 3 Nov 1891 at Teignmouth, probate granted to her son James DOBB, china dealer [Ancestry]. As mentioned above, I have seen your public tree and assume your private one is very much the same for this branch of your family. I believe my proposed identification of James and Mary Ann is consistent with all that census data, but please do double-check everything. Finally, FAO Brian - those Tawstock Baptisms and Burials are not linked on GENUKI Tawstock. Regards - Martin -----Original Message----- From: Philip Austin via Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:12 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] James Dobb I'm looking for the birth and death dates for my gg-grandfather James Dobb. I found: Birth 1809 Broad Clyst, Devon but Tawstock shown on 1861 census. Marriage to Mary Ann Venn; Saint Peter Cathedral, Exeter, 1835 20th Dec. Children James 1837-1920, Ann 1839-1891,William 1840-1915, John1842-1915,Sarah1844-?,Richard1848-1877,Charles1850-1923. Death Might be 1866 Jan Age: 57 Newton Abbot, Devon Dead before 1871 census as wife shown as widow. Jenny

Jenny, Thanks for the explanation. Just some thoughts. It is interesting to note that on the 1851 census, when the family is together, that 5 of the children were born at Broad Clyst and only the youngest Charles was born at West Teignmouth. On this census both James and Mary have "Not Known" for their birthplace so don't understand that. In 1861 when they seem to be living apart (Mary Ann and daughter Ann are servants in West Teignmouth and James and son Richard are lodging at Woodbury) their birthplaces are recorded. Mary Ann has birthplace as Exeter (seems sensible as that is where they were married) and James is recorded as Tawstock. As son Richard is correctly recorded as Broad Clyst there is no reason to assume that James birthplace is also not correctly recorded. So I agree the assumption should be he was born in Tawstock. However, you should explore why they were living in Broad Clyst for several years and if there is family connection that might have lead to him being baptised there. Regards Peter

Always good to check through Genuki sites ~~ http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Broadclyst/#ChurchRecords mentioned at the bottom of each e-mail. Edna - sunny Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Peter via Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:05 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] James Dobb Jenny, Thanks for the explanation. Just some thoughts. It is interesting to note that on the 1851 census, when the family is together, that 5 of the children were born at Broad Clyst and only the youngest Charles was born at West Teignmouth. On this census both James and Mary have "Not Known" for their birthplace so don't understand that. In 1861 when they seem to be living apart (Mary Ann and daughter Ann are servants in West Teignmouth and James and son Richard are lodging at Woodbury) their birthplaces are recorded. Mary Ann has birthplace as Exeter (seems sensible as that is where they were married) and James is recorded as Tawstock. As son Richard is correctly recorded as Broad Clyst there is no reason to assume that James birthplace is also not correctly recorded. So I agree the assumption should be he was born in Tawstock. However, you should explore why they were living in Broad Clyst for several years and if there is family connection that might have lead to him being baptised there. Regards Peter

Thank you for your help Peter. I will check my dates. The age error might have been a typo on my part. I did not realise I had put my tree details on the email; not good with computers. My email kept bouncing back as it was too long (4 attempts) so I was not sure what I finally put! There are family reasons I had to make the tree private. A request from one of my relatives. Are the answers on rootsweb allowed to be to be more than 20kb but not the questions? Jenny. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 07:45:43 +0100 From: "Peter" <peterj.martin@lineone.net> Subject: Re: [DEV] James Dobb To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003701cfd88c$5456a7e0$fd03f7a0$@martin@lineone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Jenny, (I'm not sure why you provided a URL to a private tree that we cannot access.) You say death might be 1866 age 57. Assuming you have him on the 1861 census so we know he died between 1861 and 1871 then there only appears to be one registration found by FreeBMD: Deaths Mar 1866 (>99%) - Dobb James 52 Newton A. 5b 103 (Age 52 not 57) Peter Hi I'm looking for the birth and death dates for my gg-grandfather James Dobb. I found: Birth 1809 Broad Clyst, Devon but Tawstock shown on 1861 census. Marriage to Mary Ann Venn; Saint Peter Cathedral, Exeter, 1835 20th Dec. Children James 1837-1920, Ann 1839-1891,William 1840-1915, John1842-1915,Sarah1844-?,Richard1848-1877,Charles1850-1923. <http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/47863190/person/12952206149/fact/220530338 353> Death Might be 1866 Jan Age: 57 Newton Abbot, Devon Dead before 1871 census as wife shown as widow. Jenny ------------------------------ To contact the DEVON list administrator, send an email to DEVON-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DEVON mailing list, send an email to DEVON@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DEVON Digest, Vol 9, Issue 335 *************************************

Hi Jenny, (I'm not sure why you provided a URL to a private tree that we cannot access.) You say death might be 1866 age 57. Assuming you have him on the 1861 census so we know he died between 1861 and 1871 then there only appears to be one registration found by FreeBMD: Deaths Mar 1866 (>99%) - Dobb James 52 Newton A. 5b 103 (Age 52 not 57) Peter Hi I'm looking for the birth and death dates for my gg-grandfather James Dobb. I found: Birth 1809 Broad Clyst, Devon but Tawstock shown on 1861 census. Marriage to Mary Ann Venn; Saint Peter Cathedral, Exeter, 1835 20th Dec. Children James 1837-1920, Ann 1839-1891,William 1840-1915, John1842-1915,Sarah1844-?,Richard1848-1877,Charles1850-1923. <http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/47863190/person/12952206149/fact/220530338 353> Death Might be 1866 Jan Age: 57 Newton Abbot, Devon Dead before 1871 census as wife shown as widow. Jenny

Hi I'm looking for the birth and death dates for my gg-grandfather James Dobb. I found: Birth 1809 Broad Clyst, Devon but Tawstock shown on 1861 census. Marriage to Mary Ann Venn; Saint Peter Cathedral, Exeter, 1835 20th Dec. Children James 1837-1920, Ann 1839-1891,William 1840-1915, John1842-1915,Sarah1844-?,Richard1848-1877,Charles1850-1923. <http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/47863190/person/12952206149/fact/220530338 353> Death Might be 1866 Jan Age: 57 Newton Abbot, Devon Dead before 1871 census as wife shown as widow. Jenny

Hi Bill and Elizabeth, This is the confirmation of the baptism of Michael Snr. Baptisms 1703 Dec27 Mary d/o Michael Cook baptised born 13th Dec. 1707 Mar 17 Michael s/o Michael Cook baptised 1711 Jun 18 Philip and John s/o Michael Cook baptised 1714 Apl 9 Mary d/o Michael Cook baptised 1716 Apl 30 George s/o Michael Cook/Mary his wife at Bicton Marriages 1702 Mar 17 Michael Cook and Mary Carter at Bicton 1755 Jun 20 John Earland = Mary Cook at Otterton As you correctly say, Michael Jnr was not married in Otterton/Bicton/East Budleigh/Colaton Raleigh. Roz Hickman OPC Otterton -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard via Sent: 24 September 2014 12:06 To: William Cooke; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Brickwall - Marriage of Michael Cooke Hi Bill, how do you know he was bapt in Otterton in 1707 ? The link might be the Rolle estates , Otterton was the Bicton estate and St Giles was the Stevenstone estate......so he could have worked and married in any of the Rolle parishes between the two . Not helpful I know. Have you tried any other N Devon parishes like Torrington , like Huish, Merton , Heanton Punchardon etc ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Cooke via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:40 PM Subject: [DEV] Brickwall - Marriage of Michael Cooke > Hello, list: > > Looking for the marriage of my ggggg-grandfather Michael Cooke to > Margaret. > > Michael Cooke was baptised in Otterton, Devon in 1707. About 1741 he > moved his family to St Giles in the Wood where my gggg-grandfather > George was baptised in 1742. From gravestones at St Giles in the Wood, I > know there were two older siblings. Neither was baptised at St Giles. > > Michael, son of Michael and Margaret, died in 1747 at the age of seven. > His sister Rebecca married in 1761, so was likely older than Michael. > > The Online Parish Clerk (OPC) for Otterton was not able to find the > marriage or the baptisms. My best guess is the marriage and baptisms > occurred in one of the neighbouring parishes. Unfortunately many of > these parishes are not included in the International Geneaological Index > (IGI) or have an OPC. Nor are the records available through Findmypast. > > I've been researching my family history for 14 years but still haven't > managed to knock down this brickwall. > > Cheers, > > Bill Cooke > Ontario, Canada > OPCSt Giles in the Wood, Yarnscombe, High Bickington, Atherington, and > Tawstock > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukdevon/StGilesOPC.htm > <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eukdevon/StGilesOPC.htm> > http://stalkingdeadpeople.blogspot.ca > <http://stalkingdeadpeople.blogspot.ca/> > > Researching: > > BUDD, Dolton > BULLEID, Dolton, Hatherleigh > BRAGINTON, St Giles in the Wood > COOKE, High Bickington, St Giles in the Wood, Otterton > LEWIS, Charles > LOVEBAND, Yarnscombe > MADGE, Meeth > MOCK, Braunton, Ilfracombe > ROLLE, Bicton, St Giles in the Wood, Petrockstowe > SNELL, St Giles in the Wood > TANTON, St Giles in the Wood > VICARY, Great Torrington > VODDEN, St Giles in the Wood > WALKEY, Great Torrington > WALL, Stoke Damerel > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4025/8265 - Release Date: 09/23/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4025/8265 - Release Date: 09/23/14

Hi Bill, how do you know he was bapt in Otterton in 1707 ? The link might be the Rolle estates , Otterton was the Bicton estate and St Giles was the Stevenstone estate......so he could have worked and married in any of the Rolle parishes between the two . Not helpful I know. Have you tried any other N Devon parishes like Torrington , like Huish, Merton , Heanton Punchardon etc ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Cooke via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:40 PM Subject: [DEV] Brickwall - Marriage of Michael Cooke > Hello, list: > > Looking for the marriage of my ggggg-grandfather Michael Cooke to > Margaret. > > Michael Cooke was baptised in Otterton, Devon in 1707. About 1741 he > moved his family to St Giles in the Wood where my gggg-grandfather > George was baptised in 1742. From gravestones at St Giles in the Wood, I > know there were two older siblings. Neither was baptised at St Giles. > > Michael, son of Michael and Margaret, died in 1747 at the age of seven. > His sister Rebecca married in 1761, so was likely older than Michael. > > The Online Parish Clerk (OPC) for Otterton was not able to find the > marriage or the baptisms. My best guess is the marriage and baptisms > occurred in one of the neighbouring parishes. Unfortunately many of > these parishes are not included in the International Geneaological Index > (IGI) or have an OPC. Nor are the records available through Findmypast. > > I've been researching my family history for 14 years but still haven't > managed to knock down this brickwall. > > Cheers, > > Bill Cooke > Ontario, Canada > OPCSt Giles in the Wood, Yarnscombe, High Bickington, Atherington, and > Tawstock > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukdevon/StGilesOPC.htm > <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eukdevon/StGilesOPC.htm> > http://stalkingdeadpeople.blogspot.ca > <http://stalkingdeadpeople.blogspot.ca/> > > Researching: > > BUDD, Dolton > BULLEID, Dolton, Hatherleigh > BRAGINTON, St Giles in the Wood > COOKE, High Bickington, St Giles in the Wood, Otterton > LEWIS, Charles > LOVEBAND, Yarnscombe > MADGE, Meeth > MOCK, Braunton, Ilfracombe > ROLLE, Bicton, St Giles in the Wood, Petrockstowe > SNELL, St Giles in the Wood > TANTON, St Giles in the Wood > VICARY, Great Torrington > VODDEN, St Giles in the Wood > WALKEY, Great Torrington > WALL, Stoke Damerel > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On 23 Sep 2014 at 23:41, Joy Langdon wrote: > I don't know where they are in 1861 but I think Elizabeth's children both > married in Stoke Damerel in 1864. Thanks very much for this. It gave me enough clues to find this possible record for 1861 on this site: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1055915?page=1 Ozibird Report 30 Jun 2008 01:21 I think this may be William. 1861 England Census Name: William Thimmin Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Son Father's Name: Edward Mother's Name: Elizth Gender: Male Where born: Devonport, Devon, England Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Devonport County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: 52 Cannon St Occupation: waterman Registration district: Stoke Damerel Sub registration district: Morice ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 203 Household Members: Name Age Edward Greeneway 40 [definitely Edward] - stonecutter; Cornwall Elizth Greeneway 46 - needlewoman; Devonport Elizth Thimmin 22 - servant; Devonport William Thimmin 18 -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Hallo Martin, I thank you very much for your long email of 18 Sept 14 which was extremely helpful and has stopped me in my tracks. I went for a long weekend to Scotland on Friday morning, hence could not rep[y until I came back. The message I send yesterday (Monday) has bounced back as too large, including your long message to me as point of reference. Anyhow, my message reflected on the veracity of my non-public tree before getting to John VINNICOMBE b. 1767. I am 100 per cent sure that I have the correct records for my grandmother Alice Maud VINNICOMBE b.Payhembury 1876 and great grandfather Richard VINNICOMBE b. Bradninch 1842. My source is unambiguous documentation and family memory. Richard’s father, according to his BC, was a Simon VINNICOMBE. I am reasonably happy that I have the right Simon who married Sarah PLEASE b. Kentisbeare, and who fits in with the subsequent censuses and death, i.e.. my gt grandfather’s mother is documented as Sarah VINNICOMBE who died in Plymtree in 1891. The VINNICOMBE/PLEASE marriage took place in Broadhembury on 21 Jan 1830. So far, I have been unable to identify another Simon who foots the bill. Possible contestants for Simon with the double Plymtree baptism are: Simon V. bp 1 Jun 1794 to Simon and Elizabeth in slightly further away Whimple and bp 1 May 1803 to Simon and Ann in Plympton Erl? However, they would have to have married a Sarah to fit in with the following generation. As far as the 1841 census is concerned, I had taken the 45 yr. old John, brother of Simon, to be the one born on 01 Oct 1794 in Plymtree to John and Elizabeth (Vesey) and who was to marry Lydia Selway, the eventual informant of John’s 1842 death. . I saw no need to look in other parishes as this John fitted well. I have the Book of Plymtree which on page 145 confirms, rightly or wrongly, that the occupants of Perhams Green Cottage were Simon and John and their families, including their father John and younger brother Robert. Of the two other Cullompton baptisms that you mention, I prefer the Plymtree one in 1794 just mentioned for John, but feel that the Robart one in 1800 in Cullompton is a distinct possibility of being John’s b. abt 1767’s son. So in the 1841 census John was born 1794 in Plymtree and Robert could well have been born in 1800 in Cullompton. These two birth dates are not too close. I think that the Cullompton John born 1797 was not the John who appeared in the 1841 census and promptly died thereafter because the age at death was 75, thereby fitting a 1767 birth. I think that I have answered a part of your Boolean question in that I feel that I am quite probably descended John VINNICOMBE who married Elizabeth VESEY and that there is only one John VINNICOMBE – not a young and an old one. The fact that I believe that two JOHN’S are not involved, precludes the possibility of Simon and John/Robert having different fathers, so that the Book of Plymtree may well be right. Whilst there are still checks to be made, I am quietly optimistic that Simon’s b.Plymtree 1797 father is John b. 1767 in Devon. I would be interest to hear where you contest my thinking and will revert to more of your email at a later stage. I cannot thank you enough for your detailed analysis, which is highly appreciated. These thanks go also to all Listers who have joined in this thread. I apologize to anyone who thought that they should have received a fairer hearing from me. Y am not including your initial message as, due to its length, it might block the acceptance of this message. Best Wishes, Richard from Brighton.

Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for thinking to look at the original, I had not thought of that. I do not like the typed transcripts, open to too many mistakes. In any case I think Henry EDMONDS married Jane CARPENTER now and not Archibaild Jane EDGAR after all. I would also believe that Jane dropped the name Archibaild if it did exist. I need to do more digging just to be sure, but naturally do not want to buy the certificate. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:32 AM To: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Archibald Jane EDGAR = Henry EDMONDS Axminster 1877 > Hi, I just found this on Freebmd and clicked on the > glasses icon and got into the original entry in the original book of > marriages , the typed official GRO book and it is clearly Archibaild , > with an i , and of course no such name exists .........I don`t know where > you go from there ......apart from expensively buying the certificate > which you don`t want to do .......the Freebmd transcribers have > transcribed it exactly as it is . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds via" <devon@rootsweb.com> > To: <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com>

Probably the only way that you will find this detail is to hope either someone has the microfiche of the local villages, or it needs a trip to the Exeter Public Records Office, and sit there looking through their microfiche. Either way it's pot luck if you will get a result. I've tried both methods, and still have not found the information I need. Both, on more than one occasion. -------------------------------------------------- From: "William Cooke via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:40 PM To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Brickwall - Marriage of Michael Cooke > Hello, list: > > Looking for the marriage of my ggggg-grandfather Michael Cooke to > Margaret. > > Michael Cooke was baptised in Otterton, Devon in 1707. About 1741 he > moved his family to St Giles in the Wood where my gggg-grandfather > George was baptised in 1742. From gravestones at St Giles in the Wood, I > know there were two older siblings. Neither was baptised at St Giles. > > Michael, son of Michael and Margaret, died in 1747 at the age of seven. > His sister Rebecca married in 1761, so was likely older than Michael. > > The Online Parish Clerk (OPC) for Otterton was not able to find the > marriage or the baptisms. My best guess is the marriage and baptisms > occurred in one of the neighbouring parishes. Unfortunately many of > these parishes are not included in the International Geneaological Index > (IGI) or have an OPC. Nor are the records available through Findmypast. > > I've been researching my family history for 14 years but still haven't > managed to knock down this brickwall. > > Cheers, > > Bill Cooke > Ontario, Canada > OPCSt Giles in the Wood, Yarnscombe, High Bickington, Atherington, and > Tawstock > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukdevon/StGilesOPC.htm > <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eukdevon/StGilesOPC.htm> > http://stalkingdeadpeople.blogspot.ca > <http://stalkingdeadpeople.blogspot.ca/> > > Researching: > > BUDD, Dolton > BULLEID, Dolton, Hatherleigh > BRAGINTON, St Giles in the Wood > COOKE, High Bickington, St Giles in the Wood, Otterton > LEWIS, Charles > LOVEBAND, Yarnscombe > MADGE, Meeth > MOCK, Braunton, Ilfracombe > ROLLE, Bicton, St Giles in the Wood, Petrockstowe > SNELL, St Giles in the Wood > TANTON, St Giles in the Wood > VICARY, Great Torrington > VODDEN, St Giles in the Wood > WALKEY, Great Torrington > WALL, Stoke Damerel > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know where they are in 1861 but I think Elizabeth's children both married in Stoke Damerel in 1864. There is a marriage Stoke Damerel Aug 23 1837 of William Shimmin, mariner, and Elizabeth Davy. William's father is Thomas, tailor and Elizabeth's father is John, mariner. Elizabeth Mary Ann Shimming was baptised at Stoke Damerel 03 July 1839. Elizabeth Shimmin married George William Rogers, seaman, Stoke Damerel 10 Nov 1864. Witnesses were Mary Westlake and Frederick Greenway. William Shimmin married Mary Westlake Stoke Damerel 15 Nov 1864. Witnesses Benjamin Baker and Wm Symons. William's occupation is servant but on the 1881 census he is a Stoker in the Royal Navy. Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 23/09/2014 - 17:22 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] GREENAWAY and SHINHAM According to FreeBMD Edmund GREENAWAY and Elizabeth SHINHAM married in or around Plymouth in the June Quarter, 1850. I suspect that this Edmund GREENAWAY (or GREENWAY) was the one baptised at Blisland, Cornwall on 6 Feb 1825. No doubt this could be confirmed by ordering the marriage certificate, but I have not been able to find either of them in the 1851 census, which must about been less than a year after their marriage. I could not find them in the 1861 census either. Edmund turns up in 1871 as a stone mason in Luxulyan, Cornwall, where he appears to have died in 1874. In that census he is described as a widower. SHINHAM seems to be an unusual name, and may have been a misspelling, perhaps a mistranscription, which again could be ascertained from the marriage certificate, but I wonder if anyone can suggest reasons why they cannot be found in the census in 1851. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 23 Sep 2014 at 20:51, Genealogy wrote: > FMP have copy of marriage entry > Married May 21 1850. > Edmund Greenaway, Bachelor, aged 28, Stonemason son of Richard Greenaway > Stonemason Elizabeth Shinham, Widow, aged 29, daughter of John Davy Mariner. Thanks very much! > > Possible entry on 1851 Census in Stoke Dameral shows > Edmund Greenway, 31, Head, Labourer, Cornwall > Elizabeth Greenway, 33, Wife, Cornwall > Elizabeth, 13, Daughter, Devonport Devon > William, 8, Son, Devonport Devon > > Ref is HO107 - Piece 1882 - Folio 36 - Page 66. It does indeed. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

FMP have copy of marriage entry Married May 21 1850. Edmund Greenaway, Bachelor, aged 28, Stonemason son of Richard Greenaway Stonemason Elizabeth Shinham, Widow, aged 29, daughter of John Davy Mariner. Possible entry on 1851 Census in Stoke Dameral shows Edmund Greenway, 31, Head, Labourer, Cornwall Elizabeth Greenway, 33, Wife, Cornwall Elizabeth, 13, Daughter, Devonport Devon William, 8, Son, Devonport Devon Ref is HO107 - Piece 1882 - Folio 36 - Page 66. Hope this helps. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 23/09/2014 17:22, Steve Hayes via wrote: > According to FreeBMD Edmund GREENAWAY and Elizabeth SHINHAM married in or > around Plymouth in the June Quarter, 1850. > > I suspect that this Edmund GREENAWAY (or GREENWAY) was the one baptised at > Blisland, Cornwall on 6 Feb 1825. No doubt this could be confirmed by > ordering the marriage certificate, but I have not been able to find either of > them in the 1851 census, which must about been less than a year after their > marriage. I could not find them in the 1861 census either. > > Edmund turns up in 1871 as a stone mason in Luxulyan, Cornwall, where he > appears to have died in 1874. In that census he is described as a widower. > > SHINHAM seems to be an unusual name, and may have been a misspelling, perhaps > a mistranscription, which again could be ascertained from the marriage > certificate, but I wonder if anyone can suggest reasons why they cannot be > found in the census in 1851.

With a bit of luck you may be able to find the Axminster baptism records. Genuki has the following for Axminster: Parish Registers going back to 1559 are held in the Devon Record Office - for details see Parish Registers in the Devon Record Office. Transcripts of the Parish Registers going back to 1598, and of the Bishops' Transcripts going back to 1606, are held in a special collection in the Westcountry Studies Library - for details see Parish Registers in the Devon & Cornwall Record Society's Collection. Axminster baptisms run up to 1973. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard via Sent: 23 September 2014 15:33 To: B. Edmonds; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Archibald Jane EDGAR = Henry EDMONDS Axminster 1877 Hi, I just found this on Freebmd and clicked on the glasses icon and got into the original entry in the original book of marriages , the typed official GRO book and it is clearly Archibaild , with an i , and of course no such name exists .........I don`t know where you go from there ......apart from expensively buying the certificate which you don`t want to do .......the Freebmd transcribers have transcribed it exactly as it is . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:37 AM Subject: [DEV] Archibald Jane EDGAR = Henry EDMONDS Axminster 1877 >I am now attacking the Axminster Marriages [EDMONDS] between 1865-1881 and > found 4 entries. I can only seem to track the Thomas 1876. > > The below 1891 census seems to connect Jane CARPENTER to Charles Augustus > LOUD, which leaved Henry EDMONDS who married Archibald Jane EDGAR. > > Does anyone have the Archibald Jane LOUD in the Tree, what became of them? > Rather a weird name for a girl, I am guessing she went by the name Jane. > Bev > > Marriages Axminster Dec 1877 > Jane CARPENTER > Archibald Jane EDGAR > Henry EDMONDS > Charles Augustus LOUD > > > > Civil Parish: Axminster Ecclesiastical Parish: Axminster > Folio: 44 Page: 15 Schedule: 90 > Address: Castle Hill - Small Shop > > Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where > Born Remarks LOUD Charles A. Head M M 76 Green Grocer (Not-Empr/empee) > Devon - Shute > LOUD Jane Wife M F 51 Devon - Musbury > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to FreeBMD Edmund GREENAWAY and Elizabeth SHINHAM married in or around Plymouth in the June Quarter, 1850. I suspect that this Edmund GREENAWAY (or GREENWAY) was the one baptised at Blisland, Cornwall on 6 Feb 1825. No doubt this could be confirmed by ordering the marriage certificate, but I have not been able to find either of them in the 1851 census, which must about been less than a year after their marriage. I could not find them in the 1861 census either. Edmund turns up in 1871 as a stone mason in Luxulyan, Cornwall, where he appears to have died in 1874. In that census he is described as a widower. SHINHAM seems to be an unusual name, and may have been a misspelling, perhaps a mistranscription, which again could be ascertained from the marriage certificate, but I wonder if anyone can suggest reasons why they cannot be found in the census in 1851. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Hello, list: Looking for the marriage of my ggggg-grandfather Michael Cooke to Margaret. Michael Cooke was baptised in Otterton, Devon in 1707. About 1741 he moved his family to St Giles in the Wood where my gggg-grandfather George was baptised in 1742. From gravestones at St Giles in the Wood, I know there were two older siblings. Neither was baptised at St Giles. Michael, son of Michael and Margaret, died in 1747 at the age of seven. His sister Rebecca married in 1761, so was likely older than Michael. The Online Parish Clerk (OPC) for Otterton was not able to find the marriage or the baptisms. My best guess is the marriage and baptisms occurred in one of the neighbouring parishes. Unfortunately many of these parishes are not included in the International Geneaological Index (IGI) or have an OPC. Nor are the records available through Findmypast. I've been researching my family history for 14 years but still haven't managed to knock down this brickwall. Cheers, Bill Cooke Ontario, Canada OPCSt Giles in the Wood, Yarnscombe, High Bickington, Atherington, and Tawstock http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukdevon/StGilesOPC.htm <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eukdevon/StGilesOPC.htm> http://stalkingdeadpeople.blogspot.ca <http://stalkingdeadpeople.blogspot.ca/> Researching: BUDD, Dolton BULLEID, Dolton, Hatherleigh BRAGINTON, St Giles in the Wood COOKE, High Bickington, St Giles in the Wood, Otterton LEWIS, Charles LOVEBAND, Yarnscombe MADGE, Meeth MOCK, Braunton, Ilfracombe ROLLE, Bicton, St Giles in the Wood, Petrockstowe SNELL, St Giles in the Wood TANTON, St Giles in the Wood VICARY, Great Torrington VODDEN, St Giles in the Wood WALKEY, Great Torrington WALL, Stoke Damerel --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi, I just found this on Freebmd and clicked on the glasses icon and got into the original entry in the original book of marriages , the typed official GRO book and it is clearly Archibaild , with an i , and of course no such name exists .........I don`t know where you go from there ......apart from expensively buying the certificate which you don`t want to do .......the Freebmd transcribers have transcribed it exactly as it is . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:37 AM Subject: [DEV] Archibald Jane EDGAR = Henry EDMONDS Axminster 1877 >I am now attacking the Axminster Marriages [EDMONDS] between 1865-1881 and > found 4 entries. I can only seem to track the Thomas 1876. > > The below 1891 census seems to connect Jane CARPENTER to Charles Augustus > LOUD, which leaved Henry EDMONDS who married Archibald Jane EDGAR. > > Does anyone have the Archibald Jane LOUD in the Tree, what became of them? > Rather a weird name for a girl, I am guessing she went by the name Jane. > Bev > > Marriages Axminster Dec 1877 > Jane CARPENTER > Archibald Jane EDGAR > Henry EDMONDS > Charles Augustus LOUD > > > > Civil Parish: Axminster Ecclesiastical Parish: Axminster > Folio: 44 Page: 15 Schedule: 90 > Address: Castle Hill - Small Shop > > Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where > Born Remarks LOUD Charles A. Head M M 76 Green Grocer (Not-Empr/empee) > Devon - Shute > LOUD Jane Wife M F 51 Devon - Musbury > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I am now attacking the Axminster Marriages [EDMONDS] between 1865-1881 and found 4 entries. I can only seem to track the Thomas 1876. The below 1891 census seems to connect Jane CARPENTER to Charles Augustus LOUD, which leaved Henry EDMONDS who married Archibald Jane EDGAR. Does anyone have the Archibald Jane LOUD in the Tree, what became of them? Rather a weird name for a girl, I am guessing she went by the name Jane. Bev Marriages Axminster Dec 1877 Jane CARPENTER Archibald Jane EDGAR Henry EDMONDS Charles Augustus LOUD Civil Parish: Axminster Ecclesiastical Parish: Axminster Folio: 44 Page: 15 Schedule: 90 Address: Castle Hill - Small Shop Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks LOUD Charles A. Head M M 76 Green Grocer (Not-Empr/empee) Devon - Shute LOUD Jane Wife M F 51 Devon - Musbury