Hi, Cornwall might be a possibility and the registers not surviving earlier than 1700 might also be. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy & John Smith via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:07 AM Subject: [DEV] Burridges of Crediton > > > Thanks Elizabeth. > > Yes there are a lot of Burridges (allowing for a myriad of spellings!) in > and around Crediton. > > I just can't seem to find a baptism for Hugh! > > Based on his marriage in 1721, he could have been born any time from > around > 1680 to 1700. > > In fact the only Hugh Burridges I can find are from his marriage onwards - > ie his son, grandson, gt-grandson. > > This is my current brick wall, if anyone can find a baptism for Hugh I > will > be ecstatic! > > > > I sent this in reply to Elizabeth's answer , but it doesn't seem to have > reached the list - should I have "replied to all" > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Devon treasure hunter discovered 22,000 Roman coins: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29399437 Fascinating article, but who would actually own these coins? Edna - sunny Ottawa

I picked up what amounts to a press release at the NDRO today. I shall repeat it in full (only two paras): "The future of the North Devon Record Office is being considered by Devon County Council, as part of their wider plans for the development of Barnstaple Library. The Council has yet to make a final decision, and a paper will be going to a DCC cabinet meeting in October. This is likely to include a recommendation for a 6 week period of public consultation relating to the layout of facilities in Barnstaple Library. The Trust will be as helpful as it is able to be in the matter of future archive services for the North Devon area. The extent to which the Trust can be involved will be subject to the level of funding provided by DCC for such services in the grant agreement between DCC and the Trust. The Trust is keen to develop relationships with heritage organisations in North Devon." My reading of this is that it has been re-re-written and cut about to say not very much. However it does acknowledge that the Trust has some sort of responsibility for archives in North Devon. We are back several months in deciding the future of the library (again!) and on their plans hang those of the NDRO. The Trust will get involved only as long as DCC pay up.I am guessing that the last sentence was once going to say something more explicit and now is meaningless. I suspect they mean they want to develop stronger links to the Athenaeum! What we must do is take advantage of the consultation period to make our views known (again). Lobby county councillors I think would be good. Use the facility as much as possible to keep footfall high. Jon Frayne

Hi Bev - No CD here but FMP has the Banns you have already seen, indicating both parties are widowed, but no subsequent marriage, not Chivelstone nor Stokenham, nor anywhere else in Devon that FMP have digitized yet. But FMP does have several burials of William HATHERLEY from 1779 onwards including one at Stokenham on 9 May 1780. Regards - Martin -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds via Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:02 AM To: DEVON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Elizabeth ROGERS of Chivelstone and William HATHERLING [orHATHERLY] I am wondering if anyone has a ROGERS marriage printout from DFHS and could see if there is a Marriage between a Elizabeth ROGERS, and William HATHERLING in 1774. I have just about worn my CD Rom drive out putting CD's in/out trying to find a marriage. I have a feeling his name could bet HATHERLY and that they did not marry at all, but there is a Banns Notice in Stokenham for them. ---------------------------------

Hi Richard, My Wife grandmother was Mary Ann Vinnicombe born about 1848 in South Molton, she married Christoper Vanstone, 14th. May, 1870, and they had four children then settling in and around Exeter. We know no more about her! Two of us have extensive information about the Vanstone families and we both descend from what appears to be different branches which may be of no interest to you. I had a quick look at my aged Vinnicombe file and saw there are 13 in Exeter phone book. There is also Vearncombe and one Vinniecombe. We were looking recent for a David Vinnicombe who was supposedly a relative of ours aged u/k. Thought this may help! Dave. ======================================== Message Received: Sep 24 2014, 09:08 AM From: "Richard Jones via" To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE b.1767 in Devon. Hallo Martin, I thank you very much for your long email of 18 Sept 14 which was extremely helpful and has stopped me in my tracks. I went for a long weekend to Scotland on Friday morning, hence could not rep[y until I came back. The message I send yesterday (Monday) has bounced back as too large, including your long message to me as point of reference. Anyhow, my message reflected on the veracity of my non-public tree before getting to John VINNICOMBE b. 1767. I am 100 per cent sure that I have the correct records for my grandmother Alice Maud VINNICOMBE b.Payhembury 1876 and great grandfather Richard VINNICOMBE b. Bradninch 1842. My source is unambiguous documentation and family memory. Richard’s father, according to his BC, was a Simon VINNICOMBE. I am reasonably happy that I have the right Simon who married Sarah PLEASE b. Kentisbeare, and who fits in with the subsequent censuses and death, i.e.. my gt grandfather’s mother is documented as Sarah VINNICOMBE who died in Plymtree in 1891. The VINNICOMBE/PLEASE marriage took place in Broadhembury on 21 Jan 1830. So far, I have been unable to identify another Simon who foots the bill. Possible contestants for Simon with the double Plymtree baptism are: Simon V. bp 1 Jun 1794 to Simon and Elizabeth in slightly further away Whimple and bp 1 May 1803 to Simon and Ann in Plympton Erl? However, they would have to have married a Sarah to fit in with the following generation. As far as the 1841 census is concerned, I had taken the 45 yr. old John, brother of Simon, to be the one born on 01 Oct 1794 in Plymtree to John and Elizabeth (Vesey) and who was to marry Lydia Selway, the eventual informant of John’s 1842 death. . I saw no need to look in other parishes as this John fitted well. I have the Book of Plymtree which on page 145 confirms, rightly or wrongly, that the occupants of Perhams Green Cottage were Simon and John and their families, including their father John and younger brother Robert. Of the two other Cullompton baptisms that you mention, I prefer the Plymtree one in 1794 just mentioned for John, but feel that the Robart one in 1800 in Cullompton is a distinct possibility of being John’s b. abt 1767’s son. So in the 1841 census John was born 1794 in Plymtree and Robert could well have been born in 1800 in Cullompton. These two birth dates are not too close. I think that the Cullompton John born 1797 was not the John who appeared in the 1841 census and promptly died thereafter because the age at death was 75, thereby fitting a 1767 birth. I think that I have answered a part of your Boolean question in that I feel that I am quite probably descended John VINNICOMBE who married Elizabeth VESEY and that there is only one John VINNICOMBE – not a young and an old one. The fact that I believe that two JOHN’S are not involved, precludes the possibility of Simon and John/Robert having different fathers, so that the Book of Plymtree may well be right. Whilst there are still checks to be made, I am quietly optimistic that Simon’s b.Plymtree 1797 father is John b. 1767 in Devon. I would be interest to hear where you contest my thinking and will revert to more of your email at a later stage. I cannot thank you enough for your detailed analysis, which is highly appreciated. These thanks go also to all Listers who have joined in this thread. I apologize to anyone who thought that they should have received a fairer hearing from me. Y am not including your initial message as, due to its length, it might block the acceptance of this message. Best Wishes, Richard from Brighton. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Bev Huish Episcopi is a village and civil parish in Somerset, England, situated on the outskirts of Langport, 4 miles (6.4 km) south west of Somerton in the South Somerset district. The parish has a population of 2,095, and includes the hamlets of Pibsbury and Wearne. Regards Terry -------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Edmonds via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:19 PM To: <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Devon STRAYS in Cheshire [NUTCOMBE/PARR/HYNE/SPURRY] > Looking through old notes/files and found these tucked away and can barely > read my own scribble. > > Cheshire Parish Records [It seems I found these at LDS at some stage and > noted them] > > Richard NUTCOMBE, of Nutcombe House, in p. Cleyhanger [co.Devon], gent, & > Mrs Rebecca NORTHOVER [dau of John NORTHOVER, gent] 14 Dec. 1659 > > Huish Episcopi [have no idea about this!!!, must be a church/place?] > George PARR, of Exminster, co. Devon & Mary FOSTER of Auber 8 May 1702 > > > > Mr. Thomas HYNE, of Aller, co. Devon & Mrs Mary HODY, of N........... 28 > Apr > 1690 at Northover > > George SPURRY, of Hallcom Rogass [sic] Holcombe Rogus, co. Devon, & Ann > LEY > of L.......... 17 Apr 1744 at Langport > > Regards > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I am trying to sort out Burridges from Crediton & hoping for some help please? I have Hugh BURRIDGE marrying Phillis DENTFORD in 1721. I can't find a baptism for Hugh or Phillis/Phillipa anywhere in Devon. There isn't an OPC for Crediton so I am wondering if anyone has access to the original records which might show if they were from Crediton or elsewhere? Also if there were witnesses who might be family? There are 3 baptisms for children to them: Hugh 1722, Sarah 1727, Mary 1730. Big gap between Hugh & Sarah makes me wonder if there was another child? Then there is a Phillipa Burridge marrying a John Geret in Crediton in 1736. Did Hugh die? Is Phillipa a widow, or just another Phillipa I can't find a baptism for? Thanks Judy South Australia --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi , there are Burrage , Burrige, and Burridge in the 1723 Oath rolls and in the 1711-1799 Freeholders lists . The earliest of the latter in Crediton is Robert, yeoman, but there are also two Johns in Topsham and a Samuel in Tiverton. this is 1721 and 1733. There are quite a number in both transcripts so they are somewhere close by !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy & John Smith via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:54 AM Subject: [DEV] BURRIDGEs of Crediton > Hi all > > I am trying to sort out Burridges from Crediton & hoping for some help > please? > > I have Hugh BURRIDGE marrying Phillis DENTFORD in 1721. > > I can't find a baptism for Hugh or Phillis/Phillipa anywhere in Devon. > > There isn't an OPC for Crediton so I am wondering if anyone has access to > the original records which might show if they were from Crediton or > elsewhere? > > Also if there were witnesses who might be family? > > There are 3 baptisms for children to them: Hugh 1722, Sarah 1727, Mary > 1730. > > Big gap between Hugh & Sarah makes me wonder if there was another child? > > Then there is a Phillipa Burridge marrying a John Geret in Crediton in > 1736. > > Did Hugh die? Is Phillipa a widow, or just another Phillipa I can't find > a > baptism for? > > Thanks > > Judy > > South Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Afternoon, I am wondering if anyone has a ROGERS marriage printout from DFHS and could see if there is a Marriage between a Elizabeth ROGERS, and William HATHERLING in 1774. I have just about worn my CD Rom drive out putting CD's in/out trying to find a marriage. I have a feeling his name could bet HATHERLY and that they did not marry at all, but there is a Banns Notice in Stokenham for them. Any help much appreciated. Regards Bev Edmonds

Looking through old notes/files and found these tucked away and can barely read my own scribble. Cheshire Parish Records [It seems I found these at LDS at some stage and noted them] Richard NUTCOMBE, of Nutcombe House, in p. Cleyhanger [co.Devon], gent, & Mrs Rebecca NORTHOVER [dau of John NORTHOVER, gent] 14 Dec. 1659 Huish Episcopi [have no idea about this!!!, must be a church/place?] George PARR, of Exminster, co. Devon & Mary FOSTER of Auber 8 May 1702 Mr. Thomas HYNE, of Aller, co. Devon & Mrs Mary HODY, of N........... 28 Apr 1690 at Northover George SPURRY, of Hallcom Rogass [sic] Holcombe Rogus, co. Devon, & Ann LEY of L.......... 17 Apr 1744 at Langport Regards Bev

I can't thank you all enough Edna, Tim and Joy... The mists have cleared and I suddenly find the family all comes together. I'm amazed at how quickly you found all those names and dates. I've been looking for ages but seemed to be wallowing in a mass of confusing names/dates etc.. and found myself going off at tangents. I'm so grateful. Hope I can help out in the future. I've been watching this list for a while but haven't found anything to contribute yet.. Thanks again Jane, Devon > On 27 Sep 2014, at 21:01, Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Jane was frequently referred to as Jenny (still is in my family). It is the "pet" version like Maggie or Meg for Margaret, Betsy for Elizabeth or Sally for Sarah. Likewise, Tamsin is the West Country version of Thomasina and is found frequently in Cornwall and Devon. > > If you look on Family search, William and Jane/Jenny baptised the following children at Wembury > Mary 07 Jul 1816 > Emanuel 12 Apr 1818 (buried 16 Dec 1818) > Richard 07 Nov 1819 > Betsy 03 Mar 1822 (buried 28 Apr 1826) > Harriet 13 Jun 1824 (buried 04 Apr 1826) > Thomasine 25 May 1828 > Betsy 28 Feb 1830 > Maria 28 May 1832 > > William Harvey married Jane Willis at Wembury 15 Dec 1815 > > I think that William and Jane are the couple living as servants at Modbury in 1851. Jane's birthplace is given as Wembury and the Jane Willis baptism you have found with parents Richard and Tamy fits. Weddings usually took place in the bride's parish. William was born at Broadhempston. > > In 1861 I think Jane is a widow, a boarder with Maria Harvey age 27 born Wembury at Maddisons Cottage, 1 Catherine St, St Andrew, Plymouth. Also in the household are Samson Rogers age 11 and Richard Rogers age 21, both described as relation and born Brixton. In 1851 There is a Maria Harvey age 18 born Wembury living at 28 Bilbury Street, Charles the Martyr, Plymouth occupation dressmaker. With her is a visitor Harriet Luxton, age 18, milliner born Wembury. > > Joy > ----Original message---- > From : devon@rootsweb.com > Date : 27/09/2014 - 17:55 (GMTST) > To : devon@rootsweb.com > Subject : [DEV] Susan Harvey > > Hi > > Hope I’ve clicked the right email address here. This is my first post. > > I’m trying to establish parents for Susan Harvey, born 1835 Wembury Devon. She’s my 2nd Gt. Grandmother. She married William B Searle in Stoke Damerel, 1857. They had moved to Yeovil, Somerset by 1861 and later to Liverpool. > > I’d like to find Susan’s parents. She always says in Census data that she was born in Wembury, Devon. There’s only baptism record one that fits the dates; Susan Harvey, daughter of William & Jenny, bapt 25 January 1835, Wembury, Devon. > > Trying to find her parents is more complex. In the 1841 Census, Wembury Mills, Wembury, Plympton St Mary, I find a suitable Susan Harvey date wise with William and Jane Harvey … both born about 1796. Siblings, Betsy 1830, Mira (Maria?) 1832. > > In 1851 I find a Susan Harvey in Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, with Tamsen Mills Harvey, Betsy Harvie or Howie, all servants at 18 Gasking Street. > > There are a couple of options for residence of the parents in 1851, but nothing conclusive. William might be widowed and living at Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, or he might be living in Modbury with Jane as a servant. > > I can make a story out of the Tamsen Mills (Willis?) Harvey/Betsy… as I’ve found a Jane Willis, right age with mother Tamie, and a Thomas and Elizabeth, parents of William. Tamsen also appears as Thomasina Willis Harvey on her baptism record. All the girls, except Susan have their mother named as Jane. > > So, have I just put together a nice story, or could this be the family of my ancestor Susan Harvey? I’m not happy with the fact that Maria disappears between 1841 and 1851 and appears to be replaced with Tamsin. I can’t help thinking that maybe my Susan Harvey had nothing to do with this Harvey/Willis family. > > I can’t see the wood for the trees here! Any help in clarifying the family gratefully received. > > Sorry if this is an overlong email.. please do say if I need to be more clear or more brief. > > Thanks > > Jane > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jane was frequently referred to as Jenny (still is in my family). It is the "pet" version like Maggie or Meg for Margaret, Betsy for Elizabeth or Sally for Sarah. Likewise, Tamsin is the West Country version of Thomasina and is found frequently in Cornwall and Devon. If you look on Family search, William and Jane/Jenny baptised the following children at Wembury Mary 07 Jul 1816 Emanuel 12 Apr 1818 (buried 16 Dec 1818) Richard 07 Nov 1819 Betsy 03 Mar 1822 (buried 28 Apr 1826) Harriet 13 Jun 1824 (buried 04 Apr 1826) Thomasine 25 May 1828 Betsy 28 Feb 1830 Maria 28 May 1832 William Harvey married Jane Willis at Wembury 15 Dec 1815 I think that William and Jane are the couple living as servants at Modbury in 1851. Jane's birthplace is given as Wembury and the Jane Willis baptism you have found with parents Richard and Tamy fits. Weddings usually took place in the bride's parish. William was born at Broadhempston. In 1861 I think Jane is a widow, a boarder with Maria Harvey age 27 born Wembury at Maddisons Cottage, 1 Catherine St, St Andrew, Plymouth. Also in the household are Samson Rogers age 11 and Richard Rogers age 21, both described as relation and born Brixton. In 1851 There is a Maria Harvey age 18 born Wembury living at 28 Bilbury Street, Charles the Martyr, Plymouth occupation dressmaker. With her is a visitor Harriet Luxton, age 18, milliner born Wembury. Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 27/09/2014 - 17:55 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Susan Harvey Hi Hope I’ve clicked the right email address here. This is my first post. I’m trying to establish parents for Susan Harvey, born 1835 Wembury Devon. She’s my 2nd Gt. Grandmother. She married William B Searle in Stoke Damerel, 1857. They had moved to Yeovil, Somerset by 1861 and later to Liverpool. I’d like to find Susan’s parents. She always says in Census data that she was born in Wembury, Devon. There’s only baptism record one that fits the dates; Susan Harvey, daughter of William & Jenny, bapt 25 January 1835, Wembury, Devon. Trying to find her parents is more complex. In the 1841 Census, Wembury Mills, Wembury, Plympton St Mary, I find a suitable Susan Harvey date wise with William and Jane Harvey … both born about 1796. Siblings, Betsy 1830, Mira (Maria?) 1832. In 1851 I find a Susan Harvey in Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, with Tamsen Mills Harvey, Betsy Harvie or Howie, all servants at 18 Gasking Street. There are a couple of options for residence of the parents in 1851, but nothing conclusive. William might be widowed and living at Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, or he might be living in Modbury with Jane as a servant. I can make a story out of the Tamsen Mills (Willis?) Harvey/Betsy… as I’ve found a Jane Willis, right age with mother Tamie, and a Thomas and Elizabeth, parents of William. Tamsen also appears as Thomasina Willis Harvey on her baptism record. All the girls, except Susan have their mother named as Jane. So, have I just put together a nice story, or could this be the family of my ancestor Susan Harvey? I’m not happy with the fact that Maria disappears between 1841 and 1851 and appears to be replaced with Tamsin. I can’t help thinking that maybe my Susan Harvey had nothing to do with this Harvey/Willis family. I can’t see the wood for the trees here! Any help in clarifying the family gratefully received. Sorry if this is an overlong email.. please do say if I need to be more clear or more brief. Thanks Jane ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If William and John were brothers see previous message then the William living in Modbury seems a good bet, as there is both a William Harvey and a John Harvey bapt in Broadhempston, son's of William and Mary Harvey, which tie in with ages given. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 27/09/2014 17:55, Jane Lucas via wrote: > There are a couple of options for residence of the parents in 1851, but nothing conclusive. William might be widowed and living at Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, or he might be living in Modbury with Jane as a servant. > >

Hi Jane Baptisms in Wembury 1816 HARVEY Mary - William & Jane (Late Willis) 1818 HARVEY Emanuel - William & Jane (Late Willis) 1819 HARVEY Richard - William & Jane (Late Willis) 1822 HARVEY Betsy - William & Jenny (Late Willis) 1824 HARVEY Harriet - William & Jenny 1828 HARVEY Thomasine Willis - Wm & Jane 1830 HARVEY Betsy - William & Jane 1832 HARVEY Maria - William & Jane 1835 Harvey Susan - William & Jenny Burials in Wembury 1818 HARVEY - Emanuel - 8 Months 1826 HARVEY - Betsey - 4 Yrs 1826 HARVEY - Harriet - 1 Yr Have only shown children of William and Jane (Jenny), there is also children of a John Harvey and Betsey (Nee Willis). Would suggest that Betsey and Jane are sisters and possibly John and William are brothers. William Harvey marries Jane Willis in Wembury 1815 John Harvey marries Betsey Harvey in Plymouth St Andrew in 1820. Hope this helps Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 27/09/2014 17:55, Jane Lucas via wrote: > Hi > > Hope I’ve clicked the right email address here. This is my first post. > > I’m trying to establish parents for Susan Harvey, born 1835 Wembury Devon. She’s my 2nd Gt. Grandmother. She married William B Searle in Stoke Damerel, 1857. They had moved to Yeovil, Somerset by 1861 and later to Liverpool. > > I’d like to find Susan’s parents. She always says in Census data that she was born in Wembury, Devon. There’s only baptism record one that fits the dates; Susan Harvey, daughter of William& Jenny, bapt 25 January 1835, Wembury, Devon. > > Trying to find her parents is more complex. In the 1841 Census, Wembury Mills, Wembury, Plympton St Mary, I find a suitable Susan Harvey date wise with William and Jane Harvey … both born about 1796. Siblings, Betsy 1830, Mira (Maria?) 1832. > > In 1851 I find a Susan Harvey in Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, with Tamsen Mills Harvey, Betsy Harvie or Howie, all servants at 18 Gasking Street. > > There are a couple of options for residence of the parents in 1851, but nothing conclusive. William might be widowed and living at Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, or he might be living in Modbury with Jane as a servant. > > I can make a story out of the Tamsen Mills (Willis?) Harvey/Betsy… as I’ve found a Jane Willis, right age with mother Tamie, and a Thomas and Elizabeth, parents of William. Tamsen also appears as Thomasina Willis Harvey on her baptism record. All the girls, except Susan have their mother named as Jane. > > So, have I just put together a nice story, or could this be the family of my ancestor Susan Harvey? I’m not happy with the fact that Maria disappears between 1841 and 1851 and appears to be replaced with Tamsin. I can’t help thinking that maybe my Susan Harvey had nothing to do with this Harvey/Willis family. > > I can’t see the wood for the trees here! Any help in clarifying the family gratefully received. > > Sorry if this is an overlong email.. please do say if I need to be more clear or more brief. > > Thanks > > Jane > >

FMP 25 January 1835, Susan Harvey bapt daughter of William (Husbandman) and Jenny.. Place, Wembury, Residence, Knighton, Devon. Knighton is now a suburb of Wembury, nr Plymouth.. so I think I’m right with Wembury not Membury! Cheers Jane On 27 Sep 2014, at 18:47, liverpud via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The year is 1835. > > Susan Harvey daughter of William and Jenny Harvey > bapt. Jany 25. 1835 Membury (#347). > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Hope I’ve clicked the right email address here. This is my first post. I’m trying to establish parents for Susan Harvey, born 1835 Wembury Devon. She’s my 2nd Gt. Grandmother. She married William B Searle in Stoke Damerel, 1857. They had moved to Yeovil, Somerset by 1861 and later to Liverpool. I’d like to find Susan’s parents. She always says in Census data that she was born in Wembury, Devon. There’s only baptism record one that fits the dates; Susan Harvey, daughter of William & Jenny, bapt 25 January 1835, Wembury, Devon. Trying to find her parents is more complex. In the 1841 Census, Wembury Mills, Wembury, Plympton St Mary, I find a suitable Susan Harvey date wise with William and Jane Harvey … both born about 1796. Siblings, Betsy 1830, Mira (Maria?) 1832. In 1851 I find a Susan Harvey in Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, with Tamsen Mills Harvey, Betsy Harvie or Howie, all servants at 18 Gasking Street. There are a couple of options for residence of the parents in 1851, but nothing conclusive. William might be widowed and living at Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, or he might be living in Modbury with Jane as a servant. I can make a story out of the Tamsen Mills (Willis?) Harvey/Betsy… as I’ve found a Jane Willis, right age with mother Tamie, and a Thomas and Elizabeth, parents of William. Tamsen also appears as Thomasina Willis Harvey on her baptism record. All the girls, except Susan have their mother named as Jane. So, have I just put together a nice story, or could this be the family of my ancestor Susan Harvey? I’m not happy with the fact that Maria disappears between 1841 and 1851 and appears to be replaced with Tamsin. I can’t help thinking that maybe my Susan Harvey had nothing to do with this Harvey/Willis family. I can’t see the wood for the trees here! Any help in clarifying the family gratefully received. Sorry if this is an overlong email.. please do say if I need to be more clear or more brief. Thanks Jane

The year is 1835. Susan Harvey daughter of William and Jenny Harvey bapt. Jany 25. 1835 Membury (#347). Edna - sunny Ottawa

Susan Harvey daughter of William and Jenny Harvey bapt. Jany 25. 1834 Membury (#347). Edna - sunny Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:55 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Susan Harvey Hi Hope I’ve clicked the right email address here. This is my first post. I’m trying to establish parents for Susan Harvey, born 1835 Wembury Devon. She’s my 2nd Gt. Grandmother. She married William B Searle in Stoke Damerel, 1857. They had moved to Yeovil, Somerset by 1861 and later to Liverpool. I’d like to find Susan’s parents. She always says in Census data that she was born in Wembury, Devon. There’s only baptism record one that fits the dates; Susan Harvey, daughter of William & Jenny, bapt 25 January 1835, Wembury, Devon. Trying to find her parents is more complex. In the 1841 Census, Wembury Mills, Wembury, Plympton St Mary, I find a suitable Susan Harvey date wise with William and Jane Harvey … both born about 1796. Siblings, Betsy 1830, Mira (Maria?) 1832. In 1851 I find a Susan Harvey in Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, with Tamsen Mills Harvey, Betsy Harvie or Howie, all servants at 18 Gasking Street. There are a couple of options for residence of the parents in 1851, but nothing conclusive. William might be widowed and living at Plymouth, Charles the Martyr, or he might be living in Modbury with Jane as a servant. I can make a story out of the Tamsen Mills (Willis?) Harvey/Betsy… as I’ve found a Jane Willis, right age with mother Tamie, and a Thomas and Elizabeth, parents of William. Tamsen also appears as Thomasina Willis Harvey on her baptism record. All the girls, except Susan have their mother named as Jane. So, have I just put together a nice story, or could this be the family of my ancestor Susan Harvey? I’m not happy with the fact that Maria disappears between 1841 and 1851 and appears to be replaced with Tamsin. I can’t help thinking that maybe my Susan Harvey had nothing to do with this Harvey/Willis family. I can’t see the wood for the trees here! Any help in clarifying the family gratefully received. Sorry if this is an overlong email.. please do say if I need to be more clear or more brief. Thanks Jane

Hello all, First, let me say thanks again for the brilliant help recently received on this group, it demolished a long standing brick wall. What it also did, was open up a whole new mystery. :-) So to summarise, I was stuck trying to find a birth record for Emma Toose, a great great grandmother, born 1843 in Ottery St Mary. Thanks to help received here, it turns out her birth was registered as Emma TooseDudd. Her father was Robert TooseDudd, her mother Jane. I suspect these would be the Robert Dudd and Jane Prigg, married Ottery St Mary, 13th January 1828. We then get a perplexing mish-mash of births, with different naming conventions. The following comes from the original parish records. Jane Toose, baptised May 4th 1828, daughter of Robert and Jane Toose of Sandhill Street, Ottery St Mary. James Dudd, baptised March 21st 1830, son of Robert and Jane Dudd of Sandhill Street, Ottery St Mary. Robert TooseDudd, baptised February 3rd 1833, son of Robert and Jane Dudd of Sandhill Street, Ottery St Mary. Robert passed away as an infant, and was buried as Robert Toose (of Sandhill Street), August 31st, 1834. Elizabeth Toose Deb, baptised July 12th 1835, daughter of Robert and Jane Deb of Sandhill Street, Ottery St Mary. ("Deb" I think we can safely put down to an error by the officiating priest.) Mary, born 1838. Can only find her on the census records, but she does seem to be a daughter of Robert and Jane. Ann TwoseDudd, baptised January 10th 1841, daughter of Robert and Jane of Holcombe. Emma TooseDudd, baptised June 18th 1843, daughter of Robert TooseDudd and Jane, of Higher Holcombe. Louisa Toose, baptised December 25th 1847, daughter of Robert and Jane of Yonder Street. Frank Toose-Dudd, baptised February 9th 1851, son of Robert and Jane Toose-Dudd of Sandhill Street. So this last one is an interesting one, as the Toose-Dudd is hyphenated and entered in the surname box, where on prior records, the Toose part was given as a middle name. Amongst a few other relevant records, I also have the following intriguing entries. Mary Toose Dudd, burial May 12th 1850, aged 27, which would put her birth at about 1823. That pre-dates the marriage of Robert and Jane in 1828, so who is this Toose-Dudd? Jane Dudd, buried October 30th 1856 of Mill Street, aged 49. This could well be Robert Wife, Mary Prigg, The record has an interesting observation "Otherwise Twose", which is the only "official" statement I have so far that indicates they were going by both names. I'd be very interested to hear any theories as to what Robert and Jane were up to with the random variations on their names, and there children. Emma had decided to drop Dudd by the time of her marriage and on recording the birth of her children. Hope the above will be of interest to any researchers following in my footsteps. Regards, John

Thank you so much for all your help. Especially Martin for taking so much time and effort sorting out the information. I have been struggling with the tree because I have little experience and there have been numerous problems with dates and spelling of names. Mary Ann Dobb (nee Venn) was Elizabeth Ann Thomas (nee Dobb) grandmother not mother as is shown on the 1911 census. I sent for Elizabeth's birth certificate as the dates did not make sense to me. One of my relatives ask me to make the Ancestry tree private because of this. I found Mary Ann Dobb working with her daughter Ann on the 1861 census as servants (Head Walker). Then in 1871 with her daughter Sarah in the same household. Sarah Dobb was Elizabeth Ann Dobb's mother. Elizabeth Ann married Alfred Herbert Thomas and Mary Ann Dobb died in their house in Teignmouth where my grandmother Elfreda Thomas was born (married name Coles). I will now try to confirm the dates and places you have given for James Dobb as I hit a brick wall with him. Thanks again for all your help. Jenny.