I’ve been following the posts to the list re VINNICOMBE..though not closely as I don’t have anything to offer. Apologies, I’ve deleted the original post so don’t know who it was. However, I came across this when searching for something else. It comes from: Devon Quarter Sessions - Midsummer 1834 [DRO-QS32/119] Transcribed by Brian Brasset Devonshire - Midsummer Sessions - Tues July 1st, 1834 - Calendar Vinnicombe Benjamine Convicted January 19th 1819 - Dangerous and Insane for want of sureties. Hope I’m not impugning family honour! I came across it because a family name of mine is on there somewhere! It may not be the same family but thought I’d forward it. Jane Lucas Devon

Hi Richard and Martin etc. what wonderful news.......so John was the son of James, now who was James ????? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Jones via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 8:09 PM Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 > Message for Martin Beavis, Elizabeth Howard and for anybody interested. > > Further to my message in Vol.9, issue 349, 8 Oct 2014 08:06h - > > I have not awaited Martin’s reply to my last post mentioned above, because > of some illuminating news just in. Following Elizabeth’s suggestion, I > ordered some time ago an electronic copy, from the DRO, of the Cullompton > PR page with the unclear entry. I received that entry today and – because > the image can be zoomed extra large – I have no doubt that it reads on 16 > Aug 1767 – John, son of James. Thank you, Elizabeth, for that push. I feel > that this makes clear the close relationship that the VINNICOMBEs have > with Cullompton, a next-door parish to Plymtree, not only in John’s b.1767 > case but also of his children. I really feel that Robert was born in > Cullompton, and I agree with Martin about William b.1806. > > In fact, I am in contact with a descendant of William and told him that a > John VINNICOMBE Plymtree baptism is not included in the PRs. I will tell > him about John’s 1767 Cullompton baptism which I believe is the record > that we were looking for, and that – in my opinion - Robert and William > were most likely born there too, and maybe others. In exchange for this > information, I will ask him why he has documented John’s parents as James > VINNICOMB and Mary HAYWARD. > > I also thank Elizabeth for her message further illustrating that the > VINNICOMBEs have been around Cullompton for many decades. > > All the best, Richard in Brighton. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, Just a point worthy of note, the Mary who married James VINNICOMB could quite possibly have been a Mary HEYWARD. Generally, the family of HEYWARD comprised most of the family of that name in Devon. The HAYWARDs were primarily a Gloucester family. The HEYWARDs were generally 'centred' around the villages situated around the east and northeast of Dartmoor, and had been so for hundreds of years. Regards Len -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Jones via Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2014 6:09 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 Message for Martin Beavis, Elizabeth Howard and for anybody interested. Further to my message in Vol.9, issue 349, 8 Oct 2014 08:06h - I have not awaited Martin’s reply to my last post mentioned above, because of some illuminating news just in. Following Elizabeth’s suggestion, I ordered some time ago an electronic copy, from the DRO, of the Cullompton PR page with the unclear entry. I received that entry today and – because the image can be zoomed extra large – I have no doubt that it reads on 16 Aug 1767 – John, son of James. Thank you, Elizabeth, for that push. I feel that this makes clear the close relationship that the VINNICOMBEs have with Cullompton, a next-door parish to Plymtree, not only in John’s b.1767 case but also of his children. I really feel that Robert was born in Cullompton, and I agree with Martin about William b.1806. In fact, I am in contact with a descendant of William and told him that a John VINNICOMBE Plymtree baptism is not included in the PRs. I will tell him about John’s 1767 Cullompton baptism which I believe is the record that we were looking for, and that – in my opinion - Robert and William were most likely born there too, and maybe others. In exchange for this information, I will ask him why he has documented John’s parents as James VINNICOMB and Mary HAYWARD. I also thank Elizabeth for her message further illustrating that the VINNICOMBEs have been around Cullompton for many decades. All the best, Richard in Brighton. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Dave, Please excuse the delayed reply to your msg mentioning the grandmother of your wife born about 166 years ago in South Molton who you name as Mary Anne VINNICOMBE who married Christopher VANSTONE [bmd St Thomas Jun 1870 5b 127]. I think that you will find that this marriage was to Mary Jane VINNICOMBE under that bmd reference. In the 1881 census and married by then as Mary Jane VANSTONE, she confirms to have been born in South Molton. I can find no record of this birth un that district. Mary Ann VINNICOMBE, on the other hand, married in Tiverton District [Cullompton?] either James Hawkins in Jun 1868, John Henry Harding or Frederick John Willey in Dec 1872. I feel that she is the daughter of Robert VINNICOMBE and Mary COLES and granddaughter of the elusive John VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767, but more work needs to be done on it. I was informed today by the Devon Record Office that there is a 16 August 1767 John VINNICOMBE baptism in Cullompton, and there is a suitable one there too for his son Robert on 30 Nov 1800.. I am sorry to say that I have no record of a David VIN-N-ICOMBE. In fact, there is only one person who could fit the bill; David certainly was not a fashionable name. That person (not in my tree) was born David William Cappell VINNICOMBE Honiton Jun 1864. I cannot trace a marriage or death for him. Regretfully unable to help with this person. Thank you for approachinng me, With Best Wishes, Richard in Brighton ================= Hi Richard, My Wife grandmother was Mary Ann Vinnicombe born about 1848 in South Molton, she married Christoper Vanstone, 14th. May, 1870, and they had four children then settling in and around Exeter. We know no more about her! Two of us have extensive information about the Vanstone families and we both descend from what appears to be different branches which may be of no interest to you. I had a quick look at my aged Vinnicombe file and saw there are 13 in Exeter phone book. There is also Vearncombe and one Vinniecombe. We were looking recent for a David Vinnicombe who was supposedly a relative of ours aged u/k. Thought this may help! Dave.

Message for Martin Beavis, Elizabeth Howard and for anybody interested. Further to my message in Vol.9, issue 349, 8 Oct 2014 08:06h - I have not awaited Martin’s reply to my last post mentioned above, because of some illuminating news just in. Following Elizabeth’s suggestion, I ordered some time ago an electronic copy, from the DRO, of the Cullompton PR page with the unclear entry. I received that entry today and – because the image can be zoomed extra large – I have no doubt that it reads on 16 Aug 1767 – John, son of James. Thank you, Elizabeth, for that push. I feel that this makes clear the close relationship that the VINNICOMBEs have with Cullompton, a next-door parish to Plymtree, not only in John’s b.1767 case but also of his children. I really feel that Robert was born in Cullompton, and I agree with Martin about William b.1806. In fact, I am in contact with a descendant of William and told him that a John VINNICOMBE Plymtree baptism is not included in the PRs. I will tell him about John’s 1767 Cullompton baptism which I believe is the record that we were looking for, and that – in my opinion - Robert and William were most likely born there too, and maybe others. In exchange for this information, I will ask him why he has documented John’s parents as James VINNICOMB and Mary HAYWARD. I also thank Elizabeth for her message further illustrating that the VINNICOMBEs have been around Cullompton for many decades. All the best, Richard in Brighton.

A message for Martin Beavis and anyone interested: Hallo Martin - 1)I thank you again for you continued interest in this case. I happily read that you agree that John VINNICOMBE baptised Plymtree 26 Oct 1794 and Simon there on 7 Jan 1798 are ‘most probably’ brothers, sons of the same John VINNICOMBE who was not, as alleged in many public trees, born – or at least baptised - in Plymtree. I welcome the questioning and testing of my conclusions because that can only strengthen the veracity of my tree. I am about to decide that Robert, baptised Cullompton 1799, as kindly transcribed by Elizabeth Howard, was their brother.aAs already mentioned, I had already pencilled him in as marrying Mary COLES in Bradninch in 1848, a couple Robert+Mary appearing in all the Collumpton censuses after his appearing with his father and brothers [?] in the 1841 census in Plymtree until his death in 1875. Mary COLES [servant at time of marriage]was born in Bickleigh in 1823, so why did they not marry there or in Cullompton, I wonder? There was a certain family connection with Bradninch about that time because my great grandfather Richard VINNICOMBE was born there in 1842, so his father Simon - Robert’s, probable brother - was living there at this juncture also. Am I manipulating the ‘facts’ to suit my own fantasies? The Bradninch VINNICOME/COLES marriage cert. shows conformly that Robert’s father was a John VINNICOMBE, husbandman. It shows that Robert and Mary were resident in Bradninch at the time and that a Richard VINNICOMBE was a witness. I am not aware of any minimum age for witnesses at that time; other than the vicar needing to believe that young witnesses realized what was going on. My gt grandfather Richard, born in Bradninch, was only 6 years old at the time. His father Simon put his mark to the BC on which his mother Sarah’s name is spelt PLAICE, 2) I thank you for telling readers about the 1849 article concerning Simon VINNICOMBE in The Exeter and Plymouth Gazette. I am sorry to admit that I downloaded it two years ago but failed to tell you as it had slipped my mind, although it played a major part in leading me to conclude that this Simon b.1797 Plymtree was/is my gt gt grandfather. This, in conjunction, with the 1851 Plymtree census with my grandfather Richard’s brothers Samuel, George, Emanuel – all born in Plymtree and and John born in Cullompton, all of which you have already confirmed. But only weeks ago, I discovered that an older brother was baptised in Plymtree to Simon and Sarah on 20 Jun 1830- James. I cannot, as yet, find him after that. 3) I have ordered a copy of the baptism recorded 16 Aug 1767 in Cullompton of unclear name, perhaps John/James, as suggested by Elizabeth. The year is, of course, spot on. 4] Turning to the problem with the 1851 census. For Plymtree it shows John VINACOMBE as 53 and not 55 as you inadvertently said, so born 1798, leaving a ‘mere’ 4 year gap. Quoted half a century after the event by people who couldn’t write/make notes, I do not think that this is alarming at all. Be all this as it may, I am for the Plymtree baptism option plus Lydia because, as far as I see it, John and Lydia were living in Plymtree in 1841 together with Simon, Robert and John senior, Elizabeth his wife having died in Plymtree some six years earlier. This other John VENICOMBE and Ellen, as you rightly say, were living in Cullompton at that same time. This is how I see it at this moment 5) Do you really feel that there is a chance that the gravestone of Elizabeth VINNICOMBE who died in 1835 still exists and, even less likely, has a legible inscription? I am highly sceptical. This burial is nor included in the Devon FHS Listings 1813-1837 under VIN-N-ICOMBE, but it may be included under other spelling-s. It is very clear in the PR, as you know. I have just read the chapter on churchyards and cemeteries in Marl Herber’s Ancestral Trails and am not quite so sceptical now. However, I think that before perhaps taking this further, I need to think carefully whether Elizabeth VESEY was Simon VINNICOMBE’s {b.1797 in Plymtree) mother. Without a positive answer to that question, I have no connection to the VESEYs. 6) Having put the cat amongst the pidgeons by pointing out publicly that John VINNICOMBE b.1767 was not baptised in Plymtree, I doubt whether the many tree owners who unwittingly alleged this to be true, will uniformly start to reflect that fact when news spreads. I do not share your belief that someone thinks they know something, leading them to name John VINNICOMBE’s parents as James VINNICOMB and Mary HAYWARD. The same would go for other quoted parents. I do not see myself as someone who requires other Ancestry customers to justify their postings, having had negative reactions or no reactions in the past With that, I will conclude, reverting on the John VINNICOMBE’s children’s Collumpton baptisms at a later stage. Thanks again and Best Wishes, Richard.

Hi , I am sure Martin checked the NA site, but there is a Simon Vinicombe , Ship`s name HMS Phoebe, pay book number ML 60 Rank Private, marine, relation wife Elizabeth , alloted 1798. And a Simon Vinicombe apprenticed to John Blackmore 1673 Cullompton Parish Overseers. Same source James Crosse is apprenticed to James Vinicombe in 1792. . Ottery St Mary overseers have William Sanders apprenticed to John Vinicombe, yeoman, 1757. Sarah Baker apprenticed to John Vinicombe Cullompton overseers 1760 . and a sad John Vinicombe 9 1/4 apprenticed to John Bastin , for Otterton South farm. 1830. None of the above answers any part of where and when John V was bapt but it does indicate that this family were in and around C`ton for many decades. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Hi Martin and Richard , I am often wrong , I don`t think any transcriber is 100% accurate nor expects to be so James ? son of James V bapt 16 Aug 1767 could well be Johes , Jno , the ? is the worry !!!! it is very conveniently the right year and right father for John . Maybe a quick email to DRO to ask for a check on the original register might sort this out once and for all . I have never been too concerned about the ages fitting precisely the dates of birth /bapt , the ancestors had no idea how old they were and rarely celebrated birthdays until mid Victorian times so a few years + - is I think quite reasonable , and I am perfectly sure that they weren`t too picky about the place . But wonderful to find the court case , aren`t the newspapers a joy ......... life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Beavis via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: "Richard Jones" <richard.jones813@ntlworld.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE b.1767 in Devon. > Hi Richard – In response to your last post I've revisited your Vinecombe > families, with an interesting outcome, but first a couple of errata: > > When I listed the Cullompton baptisms of > 1st Jan 1760, James son of James Vinicomb > 1st Jan 1760, James son of James Vinicomb > 16th Aug 1767, James[?] son of James Vinicomb > the second line should have read > 20th May 1764, James son of James Vinicomb > that being the 1764 baptism to which I referred. > > And my apologies to Elizabeth for overlooking her transcriptions of > Cullompton burials after 1773. Her subsequent identification of > John Vinnicombe buried Cullompton 17th Nov 1812 > suggests an adult death (not "son of ...") and may be the > John son of Simon Vinicomb baptised Cullompton 27th Aug 1755 > or any other John whose birth/baptism we have not found > > Returning to your mail, I agree that the John Vinicombe, s of John & > Elizabeth, born 1 Oct 1794, baptised Plymtree 26 Oct 1794 > is most probably the brother of > Simon Vinicombe, s. of John and Elizabeth, born 11 Sept 1797, private > baptized 14 Sept 1797, baptised Plymtree 7 Jan 1798 > and that > Robart, son of John Vinnicombe, born 30th Oct 1800, baptised Cullompton > 30th Nov 1800 > could well be their brother, if (but only if?) John and Elizabeth were by > then living in Cullompton. > > The 1851 Plymtree census has Simon Vinacombe 55, born Plymtree (ca > 1795/96), husband of Sarah, father of Richard, age 7, born Bradninch (ca > 1843/44) - which matches your ancestors of those names, albeit not quite > matching their ages. > > There is a problem with the 1851 census. For Plymtree it lists John > VINACOMBE 55, husband of Lydia, as born Cullompton, though he may have > been baptised at Plymtree, but his age is not quite right for the John > baptised at Plymtree in 1794. Whereas for Cullompton it lists John > VENICOMBE, born Cullompton, 55 and wife Ellen (46, born Plymtree) and 2 > children, but both these 55-year-olds have the right age and birthplace > and seem right for the John VINNICOMBE, son of John, born 9th Dec 1797, > baptised Cullompton 24 Dec 1797. So we cannot be sure which John married > Lydia and which married Ellen. But John and Ellen were resident in > Cullompton from 1841 through 1861, suggesting that John is the 1797 > Cullompton baptism, and (as you believe) that the John who married Lydia > is the 1794 Plymtree baptism. > > Edgar Hay's transcription of the Plymtree Parish Registers includes > Vinicombe, Elizabeth, of Upper Weaver [Plymtree], age 63, buried 8 Feb > 1835 > I assume her to be the same Elizabeth VOYSEY/VEYSEY, bapt 1771, who > married John VINICOMBE in 1791, in which case it might be interesting, > even crucial, to read any inscription on her gravestone, if indeed it has > survived, especially if it also mentions any husband, John or otherwise, > who died before, during or after December 1841. > > Cullompton baptisms for "son/dau of John Vinnicombe" include > 24th Dec 1797, John born 9th > 13th Oct 1799, William born 28th Sept > 30th Nov 1800, Robart born 30th Oct > 1st May 1803, Sarah born 13th April > 25th June 1803, William born 17th May > - probably the Plymtree born William who also appears in the 1841 and 1851 > Plymtree censuses ? > 25th Dec 1805, John born 29th Nov > 24th April 1808, Elizabeth born 8th > 3rd Feb 1811, Henry born 23rd Jan > > The two 1803 baptisms obviously identify two different fathers John > Vinnicombe. And the father John Vinnicombe of the Collumpton baptisms in > 1797 and 1808 cannot be the father John Vinicombe of the Plymtree baptisms > in 1797/8 and 1808. So there were at least two John Vin(n)icombe, one of > them married to Elizabeth, fathering children between 1791 and 1808, who > were born and/or baptised at Plymtree and/or Cullompton - but not > necessarily born and baptised in the same place. There may be births and > baptisms elsewhere. > > One outstanding issue concerning your original enquiry about the birth of > the John Vinnicombe who married Elizabeth Veysey is that a very large > number of Ancestry trees have his parents as > James Vinnicomb & Mary Hayward married 24 Oct 1759 Cullompton > for which I found no evidence. There has obviously been extensive copying > but someone must think they know something we don't, which I think you > should seek to disprove or confirm. > > As a afterthought I searched the BNA, not expecting much because Ag Labs > usually don't get in the papers unless they have a very nasty accident or > a criminal record, but hit the jackpot. The Exeter and Plymouth Gazette > of 22 December 1849 reported a court hearing "Collumpton v Plymtree" in > which the overseers of Cullompton sought an order for the removal to > Plymtree of a pauper, Simon Vinnicombe, his wife and four children, who > had no right of settlement despite having lived in Cullompton for just > over six years. This Simon had been born in Plymtree, apprenticed there > to farmer John Squire, after whose death he worked for in Blackborough (a > hamlet near Cullompton), and married at Broadhembury in 1840. The > overseers of Plymtree challenged that application, citing a recent change > in the poor law. The case was adjourned. Assuming that marriage date of > 1840 to be wrongly reported, this matches your VINNICOMBE/PLEASE marriage > at Broadhembury in 1830 (for which FMP has the spelling PLEACE). I could > not find any outcome in later editions of the paper but it seems that the > magistrates ruled in favour of Cullompton because that family was > subsequently resident in Plymtree during the 1851 census. I think this > well confirms your identification of the Simon in the 1841 census. > > That wasn't my only surprise. The same page of the Exeter and Plymouth > Gazette reported the "brutal assault" of a young female called Vinicombe > by four ruffians between Colyton Raleigh and Bicton, who after tearing off > her clothes "completed their diabolical purpose" before a local butcher > came to her rescue. Her assailants were identified as all men of > Otterton, one a married man with two children, another a soldier, and were > committed for trial. Again, I found no record of the trial or sentence. > This unfortunate victim of crime was evidently in the wrong place at the > wrong time – and geographically in the wrong place to be one of the > Vinnicombe families of Plymtree and Cullompton. I don't suppose anyone > out there is harbouring a dark family secret about their Yuletide rapist > from Otterton? Not expecting an answer! > > Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Jones via > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE b.1767 in Devon. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Edna This explains the situation in England http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_trove#England_and_Wales_common_law note " it belonged to him or her[19][20] or persons claiming through him or her such as descendants" Mike -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of liverpud via Sent: 30 September 2014 15:28 To: DEVON-L Subject: [DEV] Devon Treasure Trove Devon treasure hunter discovered 22,000 Roman coins: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29399437 Fascinating article, but who would actually own these coins? Edna - sunny Ottawa ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Terry , Holsworthy is what I have been waiting for !!!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Leaman via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: [DEV] Special Offers & New CDs in Devon FHS Shop See the shop for two new CDs- Holsworthy Deanery and Devonian Year books 1914-1919 http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/product_list.php?cat_id=5 PLUS SPECIAL OFFER for 4th to 31st October. Many of the £15 CDs have been reduced to £10.00 and FOUR have been reduced to just £5.00 (deaneries of Tavistock, Plympton, Totnes & Tamerton) Holsworthy Deanery includes Abbots Bickington Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1770-1833 Bur: 1813-1837 Ashwater Bapt: 1813-1841 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Black Torrington Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Bradford Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1705-1837 Bradworthy Bapt: 1813-1838 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Bridgerule Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Clawton Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1800-1837 Cookbury Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1841 Halwill Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1843 Hollacombe Bapt: 1813-1898 Mar: 1757-1837 Bur: 1813-1852 Holsworthy Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1860 Bur: 1813-1837 Holsworthy Weslyan Bapt: 1812-1831 Luffincott Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1814-1840 Milton Damerel Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1761-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Pancrasweek Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Pyworthy Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1838 Sutcombe Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1800-1837 Tetcott Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1836 Bur: 1813-1837 Thornbury Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 West Putford Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1838 Terry ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All. A bit more. First, for some reason, I see on the Rootsweb summary page that my post seems to have mashed Toose and Dudd into one name, losing the space for some reason. 2nd, I've got two likely candidates for the baptism of Robert Toose. First, a Robert Toose was baptised June 1st 1788 in Aylesbeare, which is just a few miles from Ottery St Mary. Mother only listed on the LDS website transcript, a Mary, so that strikes me as a strong possibility, given that perhaps his father was a Dudd. (I've obtained a photocopy of the original baptism record and there's no comment as to a possible father.) Then there is Robert Dudd born 1789, father Nicholas & mother Joan in Culmstock. I wasn't so keen on this one as Culmstock is a way away from Ottery St Mary, but, if I do a search on the name Dudd in Devonshire, there's not many, though there is a cluster in about the right smack bang in the correct period in Culmstock. In my mind, it's still not nearly as compelling as the Aylesbeare birth, but I won't dismiss it out of hand.   Just to further complicate matters, I have also found a burial in 1850 for the a Louisa Tooze Dudd in Ottery St Mary.   She was 27, so that puts her dob as circa 1823. She is a mystery. I've hunted high and low for record of her baptism, but nothing to be found. So I've no idea how she fits into the jigsaw. Regards, John

Thanks Brian. Terry On 05/10/2014 21:00, Brian Randell wrote: > Hi Terry: > > Many thanks - I’ve added details of the new Deanery CD to all the relevant parish pages in GENUKI/Devon. > > Cheers > > Brian > > > On 5 Oct 2014, at 18:14, Terry Leaman via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Abbots Bickington Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1770-1833 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Ashwater Bapt: 1813-1841 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Black Torrington Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Bradford Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1705-1837 >> >> Bradworthy Bapt: 1813-1838 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Bridgerule Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Clawton Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1800-1837 >> >> Cookbury Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1841 >> >> Halwill Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1843 >> >> Hollacombe Bapt: 1813-1898 Mar: 1757-1837 Bur: 1813-1852 >> >> Holsworthy Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1860 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Holsworthy Weslyan Bapt: 1812-1831 >> >> Luffincott Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1814-1840 >> >> Milton Damerel Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1761-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Pancrasweek Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Pyworthy Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1838 >> >> Sutcombe Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1800-1837 >> >> Tetcott Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1836 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> Thornbury Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 >> >> West Putford Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1838 > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 > FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > >

Hi Terry: Many thanks - I’ve added details of the new Deanery CD to all the relevant parish pages in GENUKI/Devon. Cheers Brian On 5 Oct 2014, at 18:14, Terry Leaman via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Abbots Bickington Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1770-1833 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Ashwater Bapt: 1813-1841 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Black Torrington Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Bradford Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1705-1837 > > Bradworthy Bapt: 1813-1838 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Bridgerule Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Clawton Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1800-1837 > > Cookbury Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1841 > > Halwill Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1843 > > Hollacombe Bapt: 1813-1898 Mar: 1757-1837 Bur: 1813-1852 > > Holsworthy Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1860 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Holsworthy Weslyan Bapt: 1812-1831 > > Luffincott Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1814-1840 > > Milton Damerel Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1761-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Pancrasweek Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Pyworthy Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1838 > > Sutcombe Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1800-1837 > > Tetcott Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1836 Bur: 1813-1837 > > Thornbury Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 > > West Putford Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1838 -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hi Richard – In response to your last post I've revisited your Vinecombe families, with an interesting outcome, but first a couple of errata: When I listed the Cullompton baptisms of 1st Jan 1760, James son of James Vinicomb 1st Jan 1760, James son of James Vinicomb 16th Aug 1767, James[?] son of James Vinicomb the second line should have read 20th May 1764, James son of James Vinicomb that being the 1764 baptism to which I referred. And my apologies to Elizabeth for overlooking her transcriptions of Cullompton burials after 1773. Her subsequent identification of John Vinnicombe buried Cullompton 17th Nov 1812 suggests an adult death (not "son of ...") and may be the John son of Simon Vinicomb baptised Cullompton 27th Aug 1755 or any other John whose birth/baptism we have not found Returning to your mail, I agree that the John Vinicombe, s of John & Elizabeth, born 1 Oct 1794, baptised Plymtree 26 Oct 1794 is most probably the brother of Simon Vinicombe, s. of John and Elizabeth, born 11 Sept 1797, private baptized 14 Sept 1797, baptised Plymtree 7 Jan 1798 and that Robart, son of John Vinnicombe, born 30th Oct 1800, baptised Cullompton 30th Nov 1800 could well be their brother, if (but only if?) John and Elizabeth were by then living in Cullompton. The 1851 Plymtree census has Simon Vinacombe 55, born Plymtree (ca 1795/96), husband of Sarah, father of Richard, age 7, born Bradninch (ca 1843/44) - which matches your ancestors of those names, albeit not quite matching their ages. There is a problem with the 1851 census. For Plymtree it lists John VINACOMBE 55, husband of Lydia, as born Cullompton, though he may have been baptised at Plymtree, but his age is not quite right for the John baptised at Plymtree in 1794. Whereas for Cullompton it lists John VENICOMBE, born Cullompton, 55 and wife Ellen (46, born Plymtree) and 2 children, but both these 55-year-olds have the right age and birthplace and seem right for the John VINNICOMBE, son of John, born 9th Dec 1797, baptised Cullompton 24 Dec 1797. So we cannot be sure which John married Lydia and which married Ellen. But John and Ellen were resident in Cullompton from 1841 through 1861, suggesting that John is the 1797 Cullompton baptism, and (as you believe) that the John who married Lydia is the 1794 Plymtree baptism. Edgar Hay's transcription of the Plymtree Parish Registers includes Vinicombe, Elizabeth, of Upper Weaver [Plymtree], age 63, buried 8 Feb 1835 I assume her to be the same Elizabeth VOYSEY/VEYSEY, bapt 1771, who married John VINICOMBE in 1791, in which case it might be interesting, even crucial, to read any inscription on her gravestone, if indeed it has survived, especially if it also mentions any husband, John or otherwise, who died before, during or after December 1841. Cullompton baptisms for "son/dau of John Vinnicombe" include 24th Dec 1797, John born 9th 13th Oct 1799, William born 28th Sept 30th Nov 1800, Robart born 30th Oct 1st May 1803, Sarah born 13th April 25th June 1803, William born 17th May - probably the Plymtree born William who also appears in the 1841 and 1851 Plymtree censuses ? 25th Dec 1805, John born 29th Nov 24th April 1808, Elizabeth born 8th 3rd Feb 1811, Henry born 23rd Jan The two 1803 baptisms obviously identify two different fathers John Vinnicombe. And the father John Vinnicombe of the Collumpton baptisms in 1797 and 1808 cannot be the father John Vinicombe of the Plymtree baptisms in 1797/8 and 1808. So there were at least two John Vin(n)icombe, one of them married to Elizabeth, fathering children between 1791 and 1808, who were born and/or baptised at Plymtree and/or Cullompton - but not necessarily born and baptised in the same place. There may be births and baptisms elsewhere. One outstanding issue concerning your original enquiry about the birth of the John Vinnicombe who married Elizabeth Veysey is that a very large number of Ancestry trees have his parents as James Vinnicomb & Mary Hayward married 24 Oct 1759 Cullompton for which I found no evidence. There has obviously been extensive copying but someone must think they know something we don't, which I think you should seek to disprove or confirm. As a afterthought I searched the BNA, not expecting much because Ag Labs usually don't get in the papers unless they have a very nasty accident or a criminal record, but hit the jackpot. The Exeter and Plymouth Gazette of 22 December 1849 reported a court hearing "Collumpton v Plymtree" in which the overseers of Cullompton sought an order for the removal to Plymtree of a pauper, Simon Vinnicombe, his wife and four children, who had no right of settlement despite having lived in Cullompton for just over six years. This Simon had been born in Plymtree, apprenticed there to farmer John Squire, after whose death he worked for in Blackborough (a hamlet near Cullompton), and married at Broadhembury in 1840. The overseers of Plymtree challenged that application, citing a recent change in the poor law. The case was adjourned. Assuming that marriage date of 1840 to be wrongly reported, this matches your VINNICOMBE/PLEASE marriage at Broadhembury in 1830 (for which FMP has the spelling PLEACE). I could not find any outcome in later editions of the paper but it seems that the magistrates ruled in favour of Cullompton because that family was subsequently resident in Plymtree during the 1851 census. I think this well confirms your identification of the Simon in the 1841 census. That wasn't my only surprise. The same page of the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette reported the "brutal assault" of a young female called Vinicombe by four ruffians between Colyton Raleigh and Bicton, who after tearing off her clothes "completed their diabolical purpose" before a local butcher came to her rescue. Her assailants were identified as all men of Otterton, one a married man with two children, another a soldier, and were committed for trial. Again, I found no record of the trial or sentence. This unfortunate victim of crime was evidently in the wrong place at the wrong time – and geographically in the wrong place to be one of the Vinnicombe families of Plymtree and Cullompton. I don't suppose anyone out there is harbouring a dark family secret about their Yuletide rapist from Otterton? Not expecting an answer! Martin -----Original Message----- From: Richard Jones via Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE b.1767 in Devon.

See the shop for two new CDs- Holsworthy Deanery and Devonian Year books 1914-1919 http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/product_list.php?cat_id=5 PLUS SPECIAL OFFER for 4th to 31st October. Many of the £15 CDs have been reduced to £10.00 and FOUR have been reduced to just £5.00 (deaneries of Tavistock, Plympton, Totnes & Tamerton) Holsworthy Deanery includes Abbots Bickington Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1770-1833 Bur: 1813-1837 Ashwater Bapt: 1813-1841 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Black Torrington Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Bradford Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1705-1837 Bradworthy Bapt: 1813-1838 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Bridgerule Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Clawton Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1800-1837 Cookbury Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1841 Halwill Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1843 Hollacombe Bapt: 1813-1898 Mar: 1757-1837 Bur: 1813-1852 Holsworthy Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1860 Bur: 1813-1837 Holsworthy Weslyan Bapt: 1812-1831 Luffincott Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1814-1840 Milton Damerel Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1761-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Pancrasweek Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Pyworthy Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1837 Bur: 1813-1838 Sutcombe Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1800-1837 Tetcott Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1755-1836 Bur: 1813-1837 Thornbury Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1756-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 West Putford Bapt: 1813-1840 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1838 Terry

No confusion at my end but unfortunately no connection either. Sent from my iPad > On 3 Oct 2014, at 13:31, Keith Searle <ksearle@btinternet.com> wrote: > > I meant to say that details on my family- a bit out of date can be found at > http://www.searle-family.co.uk/index.htm > > Kind regards > > Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Lucas [mailto:janelucas@me.com] > Sent: 01 October 2014 21:57 > To: CKeith Searle; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Michael Hooper - Exmouth - Glenorchy Records > > And also apologise for using it to contact same name.. But you're the first > 'active' Searle I've come across. I'm researching my Searle family, > Staverton, Devon. Prob no relation to you but worth asking? > > >> On 1 Oct 2014, at 21:32, CKeith Searle via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Sorry to use the list as a finding aid but if Michael Hooper is on >> this list could he get in touch please. I want to respond to his kind >> offer to provide transcripts of Glenorchy Chapel, Exmouth registers >> but the email address he gave me just keeps bouncing back. >> >> >> >> >> >> Keith Searle >> >> >> >> OPC for Littleham, Woodbury and Withycombe Raleigh >> >> >> >> >> >> <a href="http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/keith-searle/25/534/277"> >> >> <img >> src="https://static.licdn.com/scds/common/u/img/webpromo/btn_viewmy_16 >> 0x25.p ng" width="160" height="25" border="0" alt="View Keith Searle's >> profile on LinkedIn"> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4037/8316 - Release Date: 10/03/14 > > >

I meant to say that details on my family- a bit out of date can be found at http://www.searle-family.co.uk/index.htm Kind regards Keith -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas [mailto:janelucas@me.com] Sent: 01 October 2014 21:57 To: CKeith Searle; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Michael Hooper - Exmouth - Glenorchy Records And also apologise for using it to contact same name.. But you're the first 'active' Searle I've come across. I'm researching my Searle family, Staverton, Devon. Prob no relation to you but worth asking? > On 1 Oct 2014, at 21:32, CKeith Searle via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Sorry to use the list as a finding aid but if Michael Hooper is on > this list could he get in touch please. I want to respond to his kind > offer to provide transcripts of Glenorchy Chapel, Exmouth registers > but the email address he gave me just keeps bouncing back. > > > > > > Keith Searle > > > > OPC for Littleham, Woodbury and Withycombe Raleigh > > > > > > <a href="http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/keith-searle/25/534/277"> > > <img > src="https://static.licdn.com/scds/common/u/img/webpromo/btn_viewmy_16 > 0x25.p ng" width="160" height="25" border="0" alt="View Keith Searle's > profile on LinkedIn"> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4037/8316 - Release Date: 10/03/14

Going through some of my files, found this: To Canada 1872-74 Anthony Bampton Badcock Pascoe Penny Greenaway Vinnicombe Worth With thanks to Devon Family History No. 53 Feb. 1990 Edna - Ottawa

To Betty, Robin and Ruth, I have read your various e-mail contributions to the Vanstone topic and sadly I have not recorded any of their names as they are all new to me. Thanks you all for responding. sincerely, Dave. ======================================== Message Received: Oct 02 2014, 09:49 AM From: "Robin Border via" To: "Betty Galloway" , devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [DEV] Christopher Vanstone I have an Ann Vanstone Chubb (1842-1909) She was the dau of Fanny Vanstone (1805-1886) and John Chubb (1805 - 1875). She married James Border (1843 - 1896) in 1867 Hope this helps Robin Border On 2 Oct 2014, at 02:44, Betty Galloway via wrote: > Hi Ruth, > The only Anne Vanstone I have was born in 1839 and was the dau. of John > Vanstone and Susanna Youlden. She was probaly born in Inwardleigh. John > had a brother James Vanstone born abt 1823 in Hatherleigh. They were the > sons of Richard Vanstone and Jane Ward and their occupations were > carpenters They seemed to have very large families > Betty > On 10/1/2014 3:48 PM, Ruth Wilson wrote: >> Hi Bettty, >> >> My immediate Vanstone ancestor was Ann Vanstone who was baptised at Broadwoodkelly on 23 Mar 1791. She married William Pedrick on 20 Feb 1812 at Hatherleigh church. >> William was a blacksmith and in 1851 a James Vanstone was his apprentice (aged 19 born Hatherleigh). I haven't yet worked out how James is related to Ann but I would guess there is some relationship. They were living at 14 Conduit Street, Hatherleigh. >> I would be interested to know if this fits in with your Vanstone family. >> >> Thank you >> >> Ruth >> On 1 Oct 2014, at 18:03, Betty Galloway via wrote: >> >>> My husband had Vanstone ancestors from the Hatherleigh area >>> Betty >>> On 9/30/2014 8:19 AM, Ruth Wilson via wrote: >>>> Hi Dave, >>>> >>>> You say you have extensive information about the Vanstone family. Do either of the branches you researched come from Broadwoodkelly?. I have a Christopher Vanstone (1786 - 1810) and his nephew Christopher Vanstone (bap 1810) both baptised in Broadwoodkelly. It is not a particularly common name so I wondered if there was a family link. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Ruth >>>> On 29 Sep 2014, at 21:18, hopper via wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Richard, >>>>> >>>>> My Wife grandmother was Mary Ann Vinnicombe born about 1848 in South Molton, she married Christoper Vanstone, 14th. May, 1870, and they had four children then >>>>> settling in and around Exeter. We know no more about her! >>>>> >>>>> Two of us have extensive information about the Vanstone families and we both descend from what appears to be different branches which may be of no interest to you. >>>>> >>>>> I had a quick look at my aged Vinnicombe file and saw there are 13 in Exeter phone book. There is also Vearncombe and one Vinniecombe. >>>>> >>>>> We were looking recent for a David Vinnicombe who was supposedly a relative of ours aged u/k. >>>>> >>>>> Thought this may help! >>>>> >>>>> Dave. >>>>> ======================================== >>>>> Message Received: Sep 24 2014, 09:08 AM >>>>> From: "Richard Jones via" >>>>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>>>> Cc: >>>>> Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE b.1767 in Devon. >>>>> >>>>> Hallo Martin, >>>>> >>>>> I thank you very much for your long email of 18 Sept 14 which was extremely helpful and has stopped me in my tracks. I went for a long weekend to Scotland on Friday >>>>> morning, hence could not rep[y until I came back. The message I send yesterday (Monday) has bounced back as too large, including your long message to me as point >>>>> of reference. Anyhow, my message reflected on the veracity of my non-public tree before getting to John VINNICOMBE b. 1767. I am 100 per cent sure that I have the >>>>> correct records for my grandmother Alice Maud VINNICOMBE b.Payhembury 1876 and great grandfather Richard VINNICOMBE b. Bradninch 1842. My source is >>>>> unambiguous documentation and family memory. >>>>> >>>>> Richard’s father, according to his BC, was a Simon VINNICOMBE. I am reasonably happy that I have the right Simon who married Sarah PLEASE b. Kentisbeare, and >>>>> who fits in with the subsequent censuses and death, i.e.. my gt grandfather’s mother is documented as Sarah VINNICOMBE who died in Plymtree in 1891. The >>>>> VINNICOMBE/PLEASE marriage took place in Broadhembury on 21 Jan 1830. So far, I have been unable to identify another Simon who foots the bill. Possible >>>>> contestants for Simon with the double Plymtree baptism are: Simon V. bp 1 Jun 1794 to Simon and Elizabeth in slightly further away Whimple and bp 1 May 1803 to >>>>> Simon and Ann in Plympton Erl? However, they would have to have married a Sarah to fit in with the following generation. >>>>> >>>>> As far as the 1841 census is concerned, I had taken the 45 yr. old John, brother of Simon, to be the one born on 01 Oct 1794 in Plymtree to John and Elizabeth (Vesey) >>>>> and who was to marry Lydia Selway, the eventual informant of John’s 1842 death. . I saw no need to look in other parishes as this John fitted well. I have the Book of >>>>> Plymtree which on page 145 confirms, rightly or wrongly, that the occupants of Perhams Green Cottage were Simon and John and their families, including their father >>>>> John and younger brother Robert. Of the two other Cullompton baptisms that you mention, I prefer the Plymtree one in 1794 just mentioned for John, but feel that the >>>>> Robart one in 1800 in Cullompton is a distinct possibility of being John’s b. abt 1767’s son. So in the 1841 census John was born 1794 in Plymtree and Robert could >>>>> well have been born in 1800 in Cullompton. These two birth dates are not too close. I think that the Cullompton John born 1797 was not the John who appeared in the >>>>> 1841 census and promptly died thereafter because the age at death was 75, thereby fitting a 1767 birth. >>>>> >>>>> I think that I have answered a part of your Boolean question in that I feel that I am quite probably descended John VINNICOMBE who married Elizabeth VESEY and >>>>> that there is only one John VINNICOMBE – not a young and an old one. The fact that I believe that two JOHN’S are not involved, precludes the possibility of Simon and >>>>> John/Robert having different fathers, so that the Book of Plymtree may well be right. Whilst there are still checks to be made, I am quietly optimistic that Simon’s >>>>> b.Plymtree 1797 father is John b. 1767 in Devon. >>>>> >>>>> I would be interest to hear where you contest my thinking and will revert to more of your email at a later stage. I cannot thank you enough for your detailed analysis, >>>>> which is highly appreciated. These thanks go also to all Listers who have joined in this thread. I apologize to anyone who thought that they should have received a fairer >>>>> hearing from me. Y am not including your initial message as, due to its length, it might block the acceptance of this message. >>>>> >>>>> Best Wishes, Richard from Brighton. >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>>>> and >>>>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>>> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>> message >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>>>> and >>>>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>>> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>>> and >>>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Madeline: I think it must be a problem with your browser or email system. I checked and clicking on Denise Hunt’s name in the sentence identifying her as the OPC in the Sampford Courtenay page brought up an email window on my browser containing her address: onlinepcdevon@virginmedia.com Cheers Brian Randell On 2 Oct 2014, at 09:57, Madeline Jane Taylor <contact@genuki.org.uk> wrote: > Dear Brian Randell, > This originates from the Devon Sampford Courtenay page > [ http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/SampfordCourtenay/index.html ] > The user is at host86-164-111-128.range86-164.btcentralplus.com, > using browser Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/37.0.2062.124 Safari/537.36. > and spent 180 seconds composing their message. > > Sorry I cannot bring up an e-mail address for Dennis Hunt the opc for Sampford Courtenay > > From, > Madeline Jane Taylor <janeanddavetaylor@hotmail.com> School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brian.randell