Hi: I have one case where the banns were called in the bride's parish, but the marriage happened in the groom's parish and he used a family alias as his middle name when he got married. Regards, Carol Collins

In 1881 census, William WILLS was working as a foreman in a china shop in Taunton Somerset. WilliamSamuel WILLS was b.1850 Taunton, Somerset. He married Susan JAMES June Qtr 1878, Taunton.The birth of theirdaughter Florence WILLS was registered December Qtr 1879, Taunton.Some time between 1881and 1886, William Wills and his family moved from Taunton to Barnstaple.Susan Wills died in 1886.  Susan WILLSage 34, death registered June Qtr 1886, Barnstaple.What happened to their daughter Florence WILLS?I have not found her in 1891 Census.  Widower WilliamSamuel WILLS age 33, married my grandfather's sister, Jemima ROOK age 30, marriage registered March Qtr 1888 Barnstaple.  By 1891 William and Jemima are living in Barnstaple and have a son, William, born 1889, and later have Ethel May 1892, and Winifred Emmeline 1895.  But no trace of Florence, who should be 12. What happened to her?

True.. I’m also researching ancestors in Lanashire. Until the mid 19thC there was only one Parish Church. Some of the villages/hamlets included in that Parish were well over 3 miles away.. the only route for many years being a coast ‘road’ that frequently flooded. Presumably people did that in their Sunday Best! Staverton distances seem nothing by comparison! On 14 Oct 2014, at 14:03, Brad Rogers via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:16:09 +0100 > Jane Lucas <janelucas@me.com> wrote: > > Hello Jane, > >> Yes, and I guess if you’re a landowner/yeoman farmer you might afford >> to do just that if it’s a bit of a distance. > > Depends what you consider to be "a bit of a distance". Nowadays, people > tend to think of walking a mile as "a long way". When I was a kid, > several of my friends had to travel three miles just to get to the bus > stop for the bus. > > A five mile walk is not much more than an hour, over reasonable > terrain. Mind you, I wouldn't want to walk that sort of distance, cross > country, in my Sunday best. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > Tired of doing day jobs with no thanks for what I do > Do Anything You Wanna Do - Eddie & The Hotrods > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jane Lucas janelucas@me.com 00 44 (0)7 77 55 72 00 4

You’re right! On 14 Oct 2014, at 14:03, liverpud via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Just a hint, instead of putting Brick Walls in the subject line > much better to put family name in CAPS, dates and even a town. > This will grab the attention of listers much more. > > We all have Brick Walls that is why we are on the list. > > All the best, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jane Lucas janelucas@me.com 00 44 (0)7 77 55 72 00 4

Hello Jane, At the bottom of every Devon mailing list message is a link to Genuki Devon. There is a lot of information on Genuki Devon, including what online records are available for each parish and for Devon generally. I would advise anyone who hasn't already done so to visit Genuki Devon and investigate what is there. Devon Record Office also has some background information on Family History research including the coverage of parish records online: http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/councildemocracy/record_office/family_history_3.htm There are all sorts of reasons why people married outside their parish. Usually the marriage took place in the bride's home parish so it may be that that is where she was resident at the time of the marriage (not necessarily where she was born). Her family may have moved there or she may have been a servant in Ashburton. People would have met at local market towns and traded with each other and also the wool trade would have meant that packs of raw wool, spun yarn and woven cloth would have been carried back and forth to supply woolcombers, spinners and weavers and ultimately the markets and ports so it was quite likely that young people from different parishes would meet. Livestock was also taken up to the moors for summer pasture in summer and cattle were taken hundreds of miles by drovers. Have you tried searching A2A for information? I have found documents about some of my ancestors which show that yeoman farmers sometimes owned or leased land in several parishes, sometimes quite a distance apart. I think you mentioned that your Staverton ancestors surname was Searle and an example of a Searle with interests in both Ashburton and Totnes (which is about 3 miles from Staverton) is shown by this document on A2A: Devon Record Office 46/1/1/13 2 December 1796 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: TOTNES Deed of Revocation of Old Uses and appointment of New Thomas Searle of Ashburton, Soapboiler and Sarah his wife Recites that by indentures of Lease and Release of 24 and 25 April 1780. (Marriage Settlement of the said Thomas Searle and Sarah Ireland), granted to Thomas Ireland as Trustee, closes called Reeveshill in Totnes formerly in the possession of Thomas Holman but then of Thomas Searle or his Tenants. Premises now declared to be to the use of Thomas Searle for life and after the decease of Thomas Searle and Sarah his wife, to the survivor of them. Regards, Joy Langdon Devon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 14/10/2014 - 10:39 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Resolving Brick Walls The recent ‘brick wall’ thread has prompted me to think a bit further outside the box when looking at early records. Can anyone help fill in some background concerning the process of recording BMDs? I’m looking at people born mainly in Staverton, Devon. Usually BMD was recorded at Staverton St. Paul. However, I’m wondering if other churches might sometimes have been used? I’ve found at least one marriage as far away as Ashburton which seems right, but why Ashburton? That marriage was a Yeoman farmer from Staverton and names of both families seem to be incorporated in to their childrens names. Circumstantial I know, but maybe the families knew each other. Also, people working the land (as opposed to owning it) would have had to travel presumably if work wasn’t available locally. I’m looking at very early records around the start of recording. I know people didn’t travel as far, but would an Ashburton from Staverton marriage be possible? What about other Parishes close by? Would baptisms etc sometimes take place elsewhere, e.g. Broadhempston, Buckfastleigh. I’m mainly using online sources (FMP & Ancestry), & Devon Record Office. Does anyone know if all the old Registers have been transcribed and put online or if there are still some to go? I sometimes find a single very early (pre 1600) record. But it makes me wonder…. If there’s one, why not more? Possibly the early Staverton registers were in a bad state of preservation, but I don’t know. There are relatively few records between say 1640-1660. I assume that was the Civil War influence. The more I find out the more I realise I need to know! If anyone can point me to some specific reading material for local economic/social history I’d appreciate it. Regards Jane Jane Lucas Devon ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:16:09 +0100 Jane Lucas <janelucas@me.com> wrote: Hello Jane, >Yes, and I guess if you’re a landowner/yeoman farmer you might afford >to do just that if it’s a bit of a distance. Depends what you consider to be "a bit of a distance". Nowadays, people tend to think of walking a mile as "a long way". When I was a kid, several of my friends had to travel three miles just to get to the bus stop for the bus. A five mile walk is not much more than an hour, over reasonable terrain. Mind you, I wouldn't want to walk that sort of distance, cross country, in my Sunday best. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Tired of doing day jobs with no thanks for what I do Do Anything You Wanna Do - Eddie & The Hotrods

Yes, and I guess if you’re a landowner/yeoman farmer you might afford to do just that if it’s a bit of a distance. In the Staverton area there are a few churches that are walking distance too. On 14 Oct 2014, at 12:04, Brad Rogers via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:39:06 +0100 > Jane Lucas via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Jane, > >> St. Paul. However, I’m wondering if other churches might sometimes have >> been used? I’ve > > Another possibility that Mike didn't mention; > > The marrying couple didn't like the local incumbent, so travelled a bit > to find one they did like. > > I'm sure there are other reasons that people can come up with. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > You don't entertain ideas you simply bore them > I Don't Like You - Stiff Little Fingers > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jane Lucas janelucas@me.com 00 44 (0)7 77 55 72 00 4

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:39:06 +0100 Jane Lucas via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Jane, >St. Paul. However, I’m wondering if other churches might sometimes have >been used? I’ve Another possibility that Mike didn't mention; The marrying couple didn't like the local incumbent, so travelled a bit to find one they did like. I'm sure there are other reasons that people can come up with. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You don't entertain ideas you simply bore them I Don't Like You - Stiff Little Fingers

Hi Jane, The subject of "Why did my ancestors get married there ?" has cropped up from time to time on various lists, and has prompted several possibilities. The most popular seemed to be either that it was a big church and could provide the setting for a lavish wedding with many guests, or, completely the opposite, that it was a church sufficiently far removed from where they lived that they could effectively get married in secret. In the latter case, it was not uncommon to find the birth of a child quite soon after the wedding ! Some churches seemed to be popular because they didn't ask too many questions when marrying people. Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Lucas via Sent: 14 October 2014 10:39 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Resolving Brick Walls The recent 'brick wall' thread has prompted me to think a bit further outside the box when looking at early records. Can anyone help fill in some background concerning the process of recording BMDs? I'm looking at people born mainly in Staverton, Devon. Usually BMD was recorded at Staverton St. Paul. However, I'm wondering if other churches might sometimes have been used? I've found at least one marriage as far away as Ashburton which seems right, but why Ashburton? That marriage was a Yeoman farmer from Staverton and names of both families seem to be incorporated in to their childrens names. Circumstantial I know, but maybe the families knew each other. Also, people working the land (as opposed to owning it) would have had to travel presumably if work wasn't available locally. I'm looking at very early records around the start of recording. I know people didn't travel as far, but would an Ashburton from Staverton marriage be possible? What about other Parishes close by? Would baptisms etc sometimes take place elsewhere, e.g. Broadhempston, Buckfastleigh. I'm mainly using online sources (FMP & Ancestry), & Devon Record Office. Does anyone know if all the old Registers have been transcribed and put online or if there are still some to go? I sometimes find a single very early (pre 1600) record. But it makes me wonder.. If there's one, why not more? Possibly the early Staverton registers were in a bad state of preservation, but I don't know. There are relatively few records between say 1640-1660. I assume that was the Civil War influence. The more I find out the more I realise I need to know! If anyone can point me to some specific reading material for local economic/social history I'd appreciate it. Regards Jane Jane Lucas Devon ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The recent ‘brick wall’ thread has prompted me to think a bit further outside the box when looking at early records. Can anyone help fill in some background concerning the process of recording BMDs? I’m looking at people born mainly in Staverton, Devon. Usually BMD was recorded at Staverton St. Paul. However, I’m wondering if other churches might sometimes have been used? I’ve found at least one marriage as far away as Ashburton which seems right, but why Ashburton? That marriage was a Yeoman farmer from Staverton and names of both families seem to be incorporated in to their childrens names. Circumstantial I know, but maybe the families knew each other. Also, people working the land (as opposed to owning it) would have had to travel presumably if work wasn’t available locally. I’m looking at very early records around the start of recording. I know people didn’t travel as far, but would an Ashburton from Staverton marriage be possible? What about other Parishes close by? Would baptisms etc sometimes take place elsewhere, e.g. Broadhempston, Buckfastleigh. I’m mainly using online sources (FMP & Ancestry), & Devon Record Office. Does anyone know if all the old Registers have been transcribed and put online or if there are still some to go? I sometimes find a single very early (pre 1600) record. But it makes me wonder…. If there’s one, why not more? Possibly the early Staverton registers were in a bad state of preservation, but I don’t know. There are relatively few records between say 1640-1660. I assume that was the Civil War influence. The more I find out the more I realise I need to know! If anyone can point me to some specific reading material for local economic/social history I’d appreciate it. Regards Jane Jane Lucas Devon

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/ - a handy site. Edna - Ottawa

Just a hint, instead of putting Brick Walls in the subject line much better to put family name in CAPS, dates and even a town. This will grab the attention of listers much more. We all have Brick Walls that is why we are on the list. All the best, Edna - Ottawa

To Diana Do your Bennett's by any chance originate in Plymouth? Daphne (Aus)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Bennett via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] FW: Catherine Walter - Marriage > > Thanks Elizabeth > > I will follow up both Leatherby and Madders. Co-incidentally her nephew's > farm at Kelly Bray was called 'Madders'. > > Whilst trawling through the 1891 census I found her sister and possibly > her mother, both in employment as servants in St Dominick. Some > catastrophe happened to the family between 1881-1891 - they appeared to > have come on hard times. > > ... Diana > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Elizabeth I will follow up both Leatherby and Madders. Co-incidentally her nephew's farm at Kelly Bray was called 'Madders'. Whilst trawling through the 1891 census I found her sister and possibly her mother, both in employment as servants in St Dominick. Some catastrophe happened to the family between 1881-1891 - they appeared to have come on hard times. ... Diana

Hi, I think this has to be my last posting on this subject.........!!! John son of James bapt C`ton 1767 fits the bill , so stick with the parish registers of C`ton and parishes around......and find the facts. The next step is not to go back onto Ancestry and trawl through inaccurate records and trees made up by various others. I don`t follow the logic of a problem with Simon marrying " a mere 6 years before the bapt of a John Vinnicombe" .There won`t be a milliion Simon Vinnicombes to choose from , so I guess that is why the only one available at the time was chosen.......check it for yourself, how many Simon Vinnicombes can you find ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Jones via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:47 AM Subject: [DEV] Fw: JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 > > > Hallo Elizabeth with copy to Martin Beavis, and All. > > That is a very good question, Elizabeth. Whilst the 'right' John > VINNICOMBE > b. Devon 1767 might well have been found in Collumpton, I cannot be 100 > per cent sure that he is the father of Simon, Robert and William. I am > prepared to believe it with caution but the next step is treading into the > real unknown or realm of make-believe, unless something concrete comes > forward. > The Cullompton birth records offer the answer of a credible Simon born to > a > John but this would > be an assumption that I am not prepared to take. > The choice now on Ancestry across many trees is for Simon and Mary > HAYWARD. > I thank Len HEYWARD > for his contribution but without evidence. Surely there is a very big > problem with this > option in that Simon VINNICOMBE/Mary HAYWARD marriage took place a mere 6 > years > before the baptism of a John VINNICOMBE in Cullompton in 1767. This is a > point > on which my penny has just dropped. > > All other options have > disappeared, including Simon of > Butterleigh. I have asked one researcher why he chose the Mary HAYWARD > solution and > await his response, but don't hold your breath. I ask a wider public which > might even include these > posters the reason for going for Mary HAYWARD, other than gut-feel or > follow-the-leader. > For those who think that I might be preparing to give up - an expression > that I regret using - I am only > interested in building a tree that I can believe in. > > As far as John VINNICOMBE b. 1767 is concerned and his wife, Elizabeth > VESEY, > I need to reflect as to whether Elizabeth is really my gtx3 grandmother, > given Martin's call > for caution with more than one John VINNICOMBE floating about. Certainties > finish, as far as I am concerned, > with the previous generation's Simon and Sarah as my descendants. I have > considered Martin's suggestion about > a possible gravestone for Elizabeth VINICOMB who is listed on the Plymtree > burials for 1935 on 8 Feb of that year. > She did not make the 1841 census, when her husband and sons John and > Simon, > plus William at a different Plymtree > location all appeared. Sometimes I think all this hangs well and logically > together > with Lydia dau-in-law informing about Jones 1841/2 death, Elizabeth's > death > in > 1935 so she is not around for the 1841. > > There is an online list of burial stone inscriptions transcribed by Edgar > Hay, once Vicar of Plymtree, to the end of > the nineteenth century. Elizabeth VINICOMB's inscription does not appear. > I > cannot say if ALL noted transcriptions appear, > or whether it is just a taste. I will email the church wardens and ask the > question. > > In these pages I recently reported my realization of another child for > Simon > and Sarah, i.e. James (maybe named after his > grandfather) in 1830. His absence in the 1841 census that I just mentioned > may be telling, although in those days I suppose > he might have been at work already at the age of 11, even though I have > not found him there yet in 1841 and 1851 as yet. > > Best Wishes to All - Richard in Brighton > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:46 AM > To: Richard Jones ; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 > > Hi Richard and Martin etc. what wonderful > news.......so John was the son of James, now who was James ????? > > > > > Life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, the two gents you have to choose from are Adolphus Frederick Leatherby, or John Madders, and the next step would be to check the 1891 census to see which of these two has a wife Catherine. The 1891 has Adolphus F , aged 43 , Licensed Victualler , living at the Royal Alfred Hotel , William St , Stoke Damerel , b Torpoint, and his wife Catherine , 40, b Holsworthy, and their son, Alfred C aged 19, compositor, b Torpoint. Catherine seems to have been his second wife, his first is Ellen Bean, and he and she are living at Windsor Terrace, Antony, in 1871 , he is a 24 yr old seaman b Torpoint , and she is 20 b Polruan . Catherine Walter is with her family first in Lifton and then Werrington right up to and including the 1881 census but vanishes from thereon.........its not conclusive but it is likely she is the same as Catherine Leatherby . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Bennett via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Cc: <hollowcreek.devon@fsmail.net> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:17 AM Subject: [DEV] FW: Catherine Walter - Marriage > > > Hi, > > I am trying to verify marriage of the above > > Catherine (Kate) Walter > born 1851 Lifton Devon > Father John Walter > Mother Mary Ann > > I think I may have found the marriage in 1887 at Stoke Dameral. Is anyone > able to check the record for me please? > > Thank you > > ... Diana > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I am trying to verify marriage of the above Catherine (Kate) Walter born 1851 Lifton Devon Father John Walter Mother Mary Ann I think I may have found the marriage in 1887 at Stoke Dameral. Is anyone able to check the record for me please? Thank you ... Diana

Hallo Elizabeth with copy to Martin Beavis, and All. That is a very good question, Elizabeth. Whilst the 'right' John VINNICOMBE b. Devon 1767 might well have been found in Collumpton, I cannot be 100 per cent sure that he is the father of Simon, Robert and William. I am prepared to believe it with caution but the next step is treading into the real unknown or realm of make-believe, unless something concrete comes forward. The Cullompton birth records offer the answer of a credible Simon born to a John but this would be an assumption that I am not prepared to take. The choice now on Ancestry across many trees is for Simon and Mary HAYWARD. I thank Len HEYWARD for his contribution but without evidence. Surely there is a very big problem with this option in that Simon VINNICOMBE/Mary HAYWARD marriage took place a mere 6 years before the baptism of a John VINNICOMBE in Cullompton in 1767. This is a point on which my penny has just dropped. All other options have disappeared, including Simon of Butterleigh. I have asked one researcher why he chose the Mary HAYWARD solution and await his response, but don't hold your breath. I ask a wider public which might even include these posters the reason for going for Mary HAYWARD, other than gut-feel or follow-the-leader. For those who think that I might be preparing to give up - an expression that I regret using - I am only interested in building a tree that I can believe in. As far as John VINNICOMBE b. 1767 is concerned and his wife, Elizabeth VESEY, I need to reflect as to whether Elizabeth is really my gtx3 grandmother, given Martin's call for caution with more than one John VINNICOMBE floating about. Certainties finish, as far as I am concerned, with the previous generation's Simon and Sarah as my descendants. I have considered Martin's suggestion about a possible gravestone for Elizabeth VINICOMB who is listed on the Plymtree burials for 1935 on 8 Feb of that year. She did not make the 1841 census, when her husband and sons John and Simon, plus William at a different Plymtree location all appeared. Sometimes I think all this hangs well and logically together with Lydia dau-in-law informing about Jones 1841/2 death, Elizabeth's death in 1935 so she is not around for the 1841. There is an online list of burial stone inscriptions transcribed by Edgar Hay, once Vicar of Plymtree, to the end of the nineteenth century. Elizabeth VINICOMB's inscription does not appear. I cannot say if ALL noted transcriptions appear, or whether it is just a taste. I will email the church wardens and ask the question. In these pages I recently reported my realization of another child for Simon and Sarah, i.e. James (maybe named after his grandfather) in 1830. His absence in the 1841 census that I just mentioned may be telling, although in those days I suppose he might have been at work already at the age of 11, even though I have not found him there yet in 1841 and 1851 as yet. Best Wishes to All - Richard in Brighton -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:46 AM To: Richard Jones ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 Hi Richard and Martin etc. what wonderful news.......so John was the son of James, now who was James ????? Life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

I think it says 'of Prior Quarter, Tiverton' Which looking at genuki page for Tiverton is possible. http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Tiverton/index.html Especially as all other of his Siblings seem to been baptised in Tiverton. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 12/10/2014 13:00, David N Adams via wrote: (If anyone can transcribe the extra words in the Baptism record of Henry Serle, Bickleigh Oct 1788 I would be even more grateful).