Sorry Ken; I don't have any of the WILLS names, etc., you mention. Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ozanne via Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 8:32 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] WILLS family of Devon Len, I'm interested. My most recent WILLS was Rebecca, who married Nicholas Littlejohns 20-5-1759, Tetcott daughter of Robert WILLS and Rebecca BURGIN. I have some further ancestry for all of these, if we can match up. Best, Ken > From: "Len Heyward" <lhe6246@bigpond.com> > Reply-To: Len Heyward <lhe6246@bigpond.com>, devon@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:08:32 +1100 > To: "'Fenella Rook Smith'" <allennef@yahoo.ca>, <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DEV] William WILLS, Susan WILLS, Florence WILLS, Barnstaple. > > Fenella; > > If you can ever connect to the WILLS family of Devon (they may already > be connected??), please get in touch. I have a great deal of Devon > WILLS data thanks to Bill WILLS. > > Regards > > Len Heyward ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:03:44 -0400 liverpud via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Just a hint, instead of putting Brick Walls in the subject line > much better to put family name in CAPS, dates and even a town. > This will grab the attention of listers much more. > > We all have Brick Walls that is why we are on the list. > Thanks for saying that Edna, all to often I delete messages with 'meaningless' subject lines unread. mik

Hi Jane It sounds like you do not know the parents of your Henry GOULD who married Charity BRYANT, presumably not identified in FMP's transcription of that marriage. Nor are there any early Bishops Tawton baptisms on FMP as yet but I found a few elsewhere on FamilySearch (also on Ancestry) but made no link to Bishops Tawton so I'll relegate that data to the end of this message. I went looking for apprentices on A2A and discovered a GOULD family skeleton: Bishops Tawton Parish, North Devon Record Office 1469A/PO 148/7 1804 Maintenance Order - Mary MANLEY,singlewoman of Bishops Tawton, mother - Henry GOULD,carpenter of Bishops Tawton,father http://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=821-1469a&cid=-1#-1 Who was the carpenter father Henry? Was he perhaps your Henry born ca 1758, or perhaps the Henry baptised in 1769, and/or perhaps already a married man? FamilySearch: England Births and Christenings Name: Henry Gould MANLY Gender: Male Christening Date: 08 Jul 1804 Christening Place: BISHOPS TAWTON,DEVON,ENGLAND Mother's Name: Mary Manly Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05034-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 916815 I have not found anything more about the son. But I did google "Henry Gould Manley" and found a Manl[e]y Henry Gould born 1862 in Australia, so perhaps he emigrated, changed his name to GOULD, and named his son Manley after his mother? All very speculative. The same Bishops Tawton A2A record includes 1755 Willm. Snow apprenticed to Thos.Gould 1810 Elizabeth Gould,age 8,daughter of Henry and Ann Gould apprenticed to Fras.Pilcher for Smythians 1811 Elizabeth Gould,age 9,daughter of Henry and Ann Gould apprenticed to Robt.Edger Tyte,blacksmith So who was this Henry, married to Ann, probably ca 1800? And a 9-year-old female blacksmith? And how was Thomas GOULD related to Abraham and Henry? I've just seen Paul's response - looks very cogent - possibly another skeleton in the family closet! I was going to ask if you knew of any carpenters in the family but did a quick google and found your previous Devon-L thread from 2004 http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DEVON/2004-07/1089653693 which answers two of Paul's questions and confirms that Henry (husband of Charity) was indeed a carpenter (and so perhaps the father of Mary Manley's base child). And it is Henry's age 16 at his confirmation in mid-1773 that points to his birth ca 1756/57. And, no, I've not gone looking into any of the several public trees - they are mostly indexed as Henry GOULD, born 1869, married 1782 = age 13. Regards - Martin APPENDIX - Finally, here are the copied and pasted Exeter St Thomas and Broad Clyst data, for which I found no link to Bishops Tawton. Is it possible that your Henry, born ca 1758, might be the son bapt 1757 of this Robert and Elizabeth? England Marriages, 1538-1973 Name: Robert Gould Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Adams Event Date: 03 Dec 1749 Event Place: St. Thomas The Apostle'S, Exter, Devon, England Marital Status: Unknown Spouse's Marital Status: Unknown Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01494-0 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 916844 , Reference ID: yr 1743-1773 p 4 Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05053-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 916843, 916844 Next an 8-year gap with no baptisms, no live births? England Births and Christenings Name: Henry Gould ??????????????????? Christening Date: 21 Apr 1757 Christening Place: SAINT THOMAS THE APOSTLE,EXETER,DEVON,ENGLAND Father's Name: Robert Gould Mother's Name: Elizabeth Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05053-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 916843, 916844 And another big gap England Births and Christenings Name: Mary Gould Christening Date: 04 Dec 1767 Christening Place: RAME BY PLYMOUTH,CORNWALL,ENGLAND Father's Name: Robert Gould Mother's Name: Elizabeth Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P02266-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 90265 England Births and Christenings Name: Thomas Gould Christening Date: 11 Nov 1770 Christening Place: SAINT THOMAS THE APOSTLE,EXETER,DEVON,ENGLAND Father's Name: Robert Gould Mother's Name: Elizabeth Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05053-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 916843, 916844 England Births and Christenings Name: Elizabeth Gould Christening Date: 29 Sep 1774 Christening Place: SAINT THOMAS THE APOSTLE,EXETER,DEVON,ENGLAND Father's Name: Robert Gould Mother's Name: Elizabeth Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05053-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 916843, 916844 But I've not found anything to link that Robert and Elizabeth with Bishops Tawton. There is another possible Henry England Births and Christenings Name: Henry Gould Christening Date: 01 Jun 1755 Christening Place: BROAD CLYST,DEVON,ENGLAND Father's Name: Nicholas Gould Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05000-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 916761, 916762 England Deaths and Burials Henry Gould Burial Date: 14 May 1837 Burial Place: St. Thomas, Devon, England Death Place: Devon, England Age: 82 Birth Date: 1755 Marital Status: Unknown Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B03186-0 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 916844 , Reference ID: 28994 P49 ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:07 PM To: 'janegould' ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry GOULD b1758 ?Bishops Tawton Jane, I am interested to know where you found the confirmation record and have you seen the original. Similarly have you seen the original of Henry b 1769 baptism entry and Abraham / Charity marriage in 1758. These will hold clues as to transcription errors and may hold additional information. Familysearch has indexed the parish of Bishops Tawton and Abraham and Charity are the only Gould family producing children in 1750-1770. Henry Goulds on Familysearch born around 1758 are one born 1755 in Broad Clyst and one born 1757 St Thomas Exeter neither of which are handy for Bishops Tawton. There is, however an Abraham Gould born in Broad Clyst at the right time and who was possibly married previously. Possibilities may be that Henry b 1757/8 son of Abraham/Charity m 1758 may have been born illegitimate and the later baptism was to christen him as a Gould or that Henry was the son of a previous marriage who was, in effect, being adopted to give him residential rights in Bishops Tawton. If you want to find the neighbouring parishes down load Parloc http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ParLocDL.html. There is an LDS Family History Centre in Newcastle which can order microfilms from their collection, many of which are not online. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of janegould via Sent: 15 October 2014 08:42 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Henry GOULD b1758 ?Bishops Tawton Good morning Henry Gould is my brick wall. He was born in about 1758, was confirmed in Bishops Tawton aged 16 in 1773, and married Charity Briant/Bryant in Bishops Tawton in 1782. To have been confirmed he must have been baptised somewhere, but I cannot find a suitable baptism for him. There is a Henry Gould baptised in 1769 in Bishops Tawton who was the son of Abraham and Charity Gould but all their other children seem to have been baptised as infants. Does anyone know which of the surrounding parish registers are yet to be transcribed as he doesn't appear on Ancestry or FMP. Fingers crossed.... Jane Gould in Whitley Bay. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers via Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:12 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Marriages in different parishes On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:35:19 +0000 Carol Collins via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Carol, >Hi: I have one case where the banns were called in the bride's parish, Banns were/are called in two parishes; The bride's and the groom's. Quite often, this isn't apparent because bride and groom come from the same parish. Another possibility being that the banns from one of the parishes are either no longer extant, or not available to view online. >but the marriage happened in the groom's parish and he used a family >alias as his middle name when he got married. Regards, Carol Adding, removing or changing name isn't too uncommon either. Makes for interesting(1) research. (1) By that, I mean annoyingly tricky at times. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Your father was a megalomaniac, you've got an insane brother Pure Mania - The Vibrators ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you… I should have read that advice ..I avoided capitals as am used to being told it is SHOUTING! No excuse for the vague title I’m afraid. On 15 Oct 2014, at 23:29, Brian Randell via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi: > > Let me try and head off a protracted discussion of this issue by providing this little extract from the Devon Frequently asked Questions page: > >> 20. Are there other general rules regarding posting to the DEVON mailing list? >> . . . >> Make sure that you use an informative subject line on any message to the DEVON mailing list - messages headed "Help", "New Subscriber", "My Brick Wall", etc., might well escape the attention of readers who might be able to help. Similarly, adherence to the common genealogical convention of giving surnames in CAPITAL letters is strongly recommended. > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > > On 15 Oct 2014, at 23:11, mick via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:03:44 -0400 >> liverpud via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> Just a hint, instead of putting Brick Walls in the subject line >>> much better to put family name in CAPS, dates and even a town. >>> This will grab the attention of listers much more. >>> >>> We all have Brick Walls that is why we are on the list. >>> >> >> Thanks for saying that Edna, all to often I delete messages with 'meaningless' subject lines unread. >> >> mik >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 > FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jane Lucas janelucas@me.com 00 44 (0)7 77 55 72 00 4

Hi: Let me try and head off a protracted discussion of this issue by providing this little extract from the Devon Frequently asked Questions page: > 20. Are there other general rules regarding posting to the DEVON mailing list? > . . . > Make sure that you use an informative subject line on any message to the DEVON mailing list - messages headed "Help", "New Subscriber", "My Brick Wall", etc., might well escape the attention of readers who might be able to help. Similarly, adherence to the common genealogical convention of giving surnames in CAPITAL letters is strongly recommended. Cheers Brian Randell On 15 Oct 2014, at 23:11, mick via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:03:44 -0400 > liverpud via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Just a hint, instead of putting Brick Walls in the subject line >> much better to put family name in CAPS, dates and even a town. >> This will grab the attention of listers much more. >> >> We all have Brick Walls that is why we are on the list. >> > > Thanks for saying that Edna, all to often I delete messages with 'meaningless' subject lines unread. > > mik > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Jane, I am interested to know where you found the confirmation record and have you seen the original. Similarly have you seen the original of Henry b 1769 baptism entry and Abraham / Charity marriage in 1758. These will hold clues as to transcription errors and may hold additional information. Familysearch has indexed the parish of Bishops Tawton and Abraham and Charity are the only Gould family producing children in 1750-1770. Henry Goulds on Familysearch born around 1758 are one born 1755 in Broad Clyst and one born 1757 St Thomas Exeter neither of which are handy for Bishops Tawton. There is, however an Abraham Gould born in Broad Clyst at the right time and who was possibly married previously. Possibilities may be that Henry b 1757/8 son of Abraham/Charity m 1758 may have been born illegitimate and the later baptism was to christen him as a Gould or that Henry was the son of a previous marriage who was, in effect, being adopted to give him residential rights in Bishops Tawton. If you want to find the neighbouring parishes down load Parloc http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ParLocDL.html. There is an LDS Family History Centre in Newcastle which can order microfilms from their collection, many of which are not online. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of janegould via Sent: 15 October 2014 08:42 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Henry GOULD b1758 ?Bishops Tawton Good morning Henry Gould is my brick wall. He was born in about 1758, was confirmed in Bishops Tawton aged 16 in 1773, and married Charity Briant/Bryant in Bishops Tawton in 1782. To have been confirmed he must have been baptised somewhere, but I cannot find a suitable baptism for him. There is a Henry Gould baptised in 1769 in Bishops Tawton who was the son of Abraham and Charity Gould but all their other children seem to have been baptised as infants. Does anyone know which of the surrounding parish registers are yet to be transcribed as he doesn't appear on Ancestry or FMP. Fingers crossed.... Jane Gould in Whitley Bay. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers via Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:12 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Marriages in different parishes On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:35:19 +0000 Carol Collins via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Carol, >Hi: I have one case where the banns were called in the bride's parish, Banns were/are called in two parishes; The bride's and the groom's. Quite often, this isn't apparent because bride and groom come from the same parish. Another possibility being that the banns from one of the parishes are either no longer extant, or not available to view online. >but the marriage happened in the groom's parish and he used a family >alias as his middle name when he got married. Regards, Carol Adding, removing or changing name isn't too uncommon either. Makes for interesting(1) research. (1) By that, I mean annoyingly tricky at times. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Your father was a megalomaniac, you've got an insane brother Pure Mania - The Vibrators ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Len, I'm interested. My most recent WILLS was Rebecca, who married Nicholas Littlejohns 20-5-1759, Tetcott daughter of Robert WILLS and Rebecca BURGIN. I have some further ancestry for all of these, if we can match up. Best, Ken > From: "Len Heyward" <lhe6246@bigpond.com> > Reply-To: Len Heyward <lhe6246@bigpond.com>, devon@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:08:32 +1100 > To: "'Fenella Rook Smith'" <allennef@yahoo.ca>, <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DEV] William WILLS, Susan WILLS, Florence WILLS, Barnstaple. > > Fenella; > > If you can ever connect to the WILLS family of Devon (they may already be > connected??), please get in touch. I have a great deal of Devon WILLS data > thanks to Bill WILLS. > > Regards > > Len Heyward

Hi Jane, I can't see any phone number. Terry On 15/10/2014 12:25, Jane Lucas via wrote: > Is there a way of deleting my phone number from this Post? I didn’t mean to include it in my reply to Bev. > Sorry.. > > On 15 Oct 2014, at 11:46, Jane Lucas via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Morning Bev >> >> Thank you for that. I didn’t know you could purchase PRs and BRs.. I have the Deanery of Ipplepen CD, but they go from 1756 for marriages and 1813 for bapt and burial. And of course are transcriptions not original image. I also have the Searle single name BMDs purchased from DFHS. >> >> Original images would be great, and was only saying the other day how you really need to go through yourself page by page. But perhaps I misunderstood you? >> >> I too have found entries that don’t appear on FMP but that was on the microfiche at the DRO. >> >> I agree, FMP do a great job in the main, but I’ve had some howlers… a birth record transcription being attached to a burial page being the best. I had no idea what I was looking at, but luckily I had a copy with me when I was at the DRO and someone helped out. But very confusing. >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> On 14 Oct 2014, at 22:36, beverley via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> Morning all >>> >>> My advise would be to try and get the Staverton and Ashburton Pr's, both the >>> church records and the BT's which can be purchased at the DRO [if any parish >>> that you need is not on FMP]. You will quite often find that not all entries >>> make it onto Familysearch/FMP etc. For instance if the person transcribing >>> the page cannot read the entry then it is not recorded, but you might be >>> sufficiently savvy enough to be able to pick that it is your name. I have >>> come across countless entries that are almost impossible to read but in many >>> cases the faint writing can pick out a few letters, just enough for you to >>> get some sort of info. >>> I have also discovered that FMP, although doing a marvelous job overall have >>> many mistakes in their indexes, some quite bazaar in fact, so again one >>> would need to go through the whole set page by page in case your name was >>> mis-transcribed and or the names having been mixed up with the entry below >>> it. >>> In many cases the BT's can be read in the parts that the Pr's cannot be read >>> and vice versa. >>> >>> Ashburton and Staverton have a huge amount of names from either parish >>> within their church records. South Brent is another parish favoured by many. >>> >>> Good luck with the SEARLE family. >>> >>> Bev >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >>> http://www.avast.com >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you so much, Joy, I think you have found the right family. Eliza (maiden name James) Walmsley is Susan Wills' sister, and took young Florence in when her mother died. I'm very happy that Florence is found!I wonder if she ever visited her father? It's a long way between Barnstaple (and Landkey where her father lived in 1901), and Lancashire. Fenella From: Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btinternet.com> To: Fenella Rook Smith <allennef@yahoo.ca>; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] William WILLS, Susan WILLS, Florence WILLS, Barnstaple. Did Susan have a sister called Eliza born c1850?  In 1891 there is a Florence Wills aged 11, born Taunton, living in Blackburn, Lancashire, listed as neice in the household of James Walmsley born Blackburn and Eliza Walmsley (born Donyatt, Somerset which is Susan's birthplace on the 1881 census).  There is a marriage Sep 1886 Blackburn which includes a James Walmsley and Eliza James in the list. Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 14/10/2014 - 18:58 (GMTST) To : DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] William WILLS, Susan WILLS, Florence WILLS, Barnstaple. In 1881 census, William WILLS was working as a foreman in a china shop in Taunton Somerset. WilliamSamuel WILLS was b.1850 Taunton, Somerset. He married Susan JAMES June Qtr 1878, Taunton.The birth of theirdaughter Florence WILLS was registered December Qtr 1879, Taunton.Some time between 1881and 1886, William Wills and his family moved from Taunton to Barnstaple.Susan Wills died in 1886.  Susan WILLSage 34, death registered June Qtr 1886, Barnstaple.What happened to their daughter Florence WILLS?I have not found her in 1891 Census.  Widower WilliamSamuel WILLS age 33, married my grandfather's sister, Jemima ROOK age 30, marriage registered March Qtr 1888 Barnstaple.  By 1891 William and Jemima are living in Barnstaple and have a son, William, born 1889, and later have Ethel May 1892, and Winifred Emmeline 1895.  But no trace of Florence, who should be 12. What happened to her? ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there a way of deleting my phone number from this Post? I didn’t mean to include it in my reply to Bev. Sorry.. On 15 Oct 2014, at 11:46, Jane Lucas via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Morning Bev > > Thank you for that. I didn’t know you could purchase PRs and BRs.. I have the Deanery of Ipplepen CD, but they go from 1756 for marriages and 1813 for bapt and burial. And of course are transcriptions not original image. I also have the Searle single name BMDs purchased from DFHS. > > Original images would be great, and was only saying the other day how you really need to go through yourself page by page. But perhaps I misunderstood you? > > I too have found entries that don’t appear on FMP but that was on the microfiche at the DRO. > > I agree, FMP do a great job in the main, but I’ve had some howlers… a birth record transcription being attached to a burial page being the best. I had no idea what I was looking at, but luckily I had a copy with me when I was at the DRO and someone helped out. But very confusing. > > Jane > > > > On 14 Oct 2014, at 22:36, beverley via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> >> Morning all >> >> My advise would be to try and get the Staverton and Ashburton Pr's, both the >> church records and the BT's which can be purchased at the DRO [if any parish >> that you need is not on FMP]. You will quite often find that not all entries >> make it onto Familysearch/FMP etc. For instance if the person transcribing >> the page cannot read the entry then it is not recorded, but you might be >> sufficiently savvy enough to be able to pick that it is your name. I have >> come across countless entries that are almost impossible to read but in many >> cases the faint writing can pick out a few letters, just enough for you to >> get some sort of info. >> I have also discovered that FMP, although doing a marvelous job overall have >> many mistakes in their indexes, some quite bazaar in fact, so again one >> would need to go through the whole set page by page in case your name was >> mis-transcribed and or the names having been mixed up with the entry below >> it. >> In many cases the BT's can be read in the parts that the Pr's cannot be read >> and vice versa. >> >> Ashburton and Staverton have a huge amount of names from either parish >> within their church records. South Brent is another parish favoured by many. >> >> Good luck with the SEARLE family. >> >> Bev >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning Bev Thank you for that. I didn’t know you could purchase PRs and BRs.. I have the Deanery of Ipplepen CD, but they go from 1756 for marriages and 1813 for bapt and burial. And of course are transcriptions not original image. I also have the Searle single name BMDs purchased from DFHS. Original images would be great, and was only saying the other day how you really need to go through yourself page by page. But perhaps I misunderstood you? I too have found entries that don’t appear on FMP but that was on the microfiche at the DRO. I agree, FMP do a great job in the main, but I’ve had some howlers… a birth record transcription being attached to a burial page being the best. I had no idea what I was looking at, but luckily I had a copy with me when I was at the DRO and someone helped out. But very confusing. Jane On 14 Oct 2014, at 22:36, beverley via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Morning all > > My advise would be to try and get the Staverton and Ashburton Pr's, both the > church records and the BT's which can be purchased at the DRO [if any parish > that you need is not on FMP]. You will quite often find that not all entries > make it onto Familysearch/FMP etc. For instance if the person transcribing > the page cannot read the entry then it is not recorded, but you might be > sufficiently savvy enough to be able to pick that it is your name. I have > come across countless entries that are almost impossible to read but in many > cases the faint writing can pick out a few letters, just enough for you to > get some sort of info. > I have also discovered that FMP, although doing a marvelous job overall have > many mistakes in their indexes, some quite bazaar in fact, so again one > would need to go through the whole set page by page in case your name was > mis-transcribed and or the names having been mixed up with the entry below > it. > In many cases the BT's can be read in the parts that the Pr's cannot be read > and vice versa. > > Ashburton and Staverton have a huge amount of names from either parish > within their church records. South Brent is another parish favoured by many. > > Good luck with the SEARLE family. > > Bev > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jane Lucas janelucas@me.com 00 44 (0)7 77 55 72 00 4

Ask Brian Randall or Mr. Leaman, they seem to run the site. Also, update your particulars. Edna - Ottawa

Fenella; If you can ever connect to the WILLS family of Devon (they may already be connected??), please get in touch. I have a great deal of Devon WILLS data thanks to Bill WILLS. Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fenella Rook Smith via Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2014 4:59 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] William WILLS, Susan WILLS, Florence WILLS, Barnstaple. In 1881 census, William WILLS was working as a foreman in a china shop in Taunton Somerset. WilliamSamuel WILLS was b.1850 Taunton, Somerset. He married Susan JAMES June Qtr 1878, Taunton.The birth of theirdaughter Florence WILLS was registered December Qtr 1879, Taunton.Some time between 1881and 1886, William Wills and his family moved from Taunton to Barnstaple.Susan Wills died in 1886. Susan WILLSage 34, death registered June Qtr 1886, Barnstaple.What happened to their daughter Florence WILLS?I have not found her in 1891 Census. Widower WilliamSamuel WILLS age 33, married my grandfather's sister, Jemima ROOK age 30, marriage registered March Qtr 1888 Barnstaple. By 1891 William and Jemima are living in Barnstaple and have a son, William, born 1889, and later have Ethel May 1892, and Winifred Emmeline 1895. But no trace of Florence, who should be 12. What happened to her? ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning Henry Gould is my brick wall. He was born in about 1758, was confirmed in Bishops Tawton aged 16 in 1773, and married Charity Briant/Bryant in Bishops Tawton in 1782. To have been confirmed he must have been baptised somewhere, but I cannot find a suitable baptism for him. There is a Henry Gould baptised in 1769 in Bishops Tawton who was the son of Abraham and Charity Gould but all their other children seem to have been baptised as infants. Does anyone know which of the surrounding parish registers are yet to be transcribed as he doesn't appear on Ancestry or FMP. Fingers crossed.... Jane Gould in Whitley Bay. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers via Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:12 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Marriages in different parishes On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:35:19 +0000 Carol Collins via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Carol, >Hi: I have one case where the banns were called in the bride's parish, Banns were/are called in two parishes; The bride's and the groom's. Quite often, this isn't apparent because bride and groom come from the same parish. Another possibility being that the banns from one of the parishes are either no longer extant, or not available to view online. >but the marriage happened in the groom's parish and he used a family >alias as his middle name when he got married. Regards, Carol Adding, removing or changing name isn't too uncommon either. Makes for interesting(1) research. (1) By that, I mean annoyingly tricky at times. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Your father was a megalomaniac, you've got an insane brother Pure Mania - The Vibrators ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:35:19 +0000 Carol Collins via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Carol, >Hi: I have one case where the banns were called in the bride's parish, Banns were/are called in two parishes; The bride's and the groom's. Quite often, this isn't apparent because bride and groom come from the same parish. Another possibility being that the banns from one of the parishes are either no longer extant, or not available to view online. >but the marriage happened in the groom's parish and he used a family >alias as his middle name when he got married. Regards, Carol Adding, removing or changing name isn't too uncommon either. Makes for interesting(1) research. (1) By that, I mean annoyingly tricky at times. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Your father was a megalomaniac, you've got an insane brother Pure Mania - The Vibrators

Morning all My advise would be to try and get the Staverton and Ashburton Pr's, both the church records and the BT's which can be purchased at the DRO [if any parish that you need is not on FMP]. You will quite often find that not all entries make it onto Familysearch/FMP etc. For instance if the person transcribing the page cannot read the entry then it is not recorded, but you might be sufficiently savvy enough to be able to pick that it is your name. I have come across countless entries that are almost impossible to read but in many cases the faint writing can pick out a few letters, just enough for you to get some sort of info. I have also discovered that FMP, although doing a marvelous job overall have many mistakes in their indexes, some quite bazaar in fact, so again one would need to go through the whole set page by page in case your name was mis-transcribed and or the names having been mixed up with the entry below it. In many cases the BT's can be read in the parts that the Pr's cannot be read and vice versa. Ashburton and Staverton have a huge amount of names from either parish within their church records. South Brent is another parish favoured by many. Good luck with the SEARLE family. Bev --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

To Edna in Ottawa! I totally disagree with you on this point Edna. If I see a heading with a name that does not concern me I do not look at the email, but a heading saying 'Brick Walls' or similar gets my attention immediately! On 15 October 2014 06:04, thalauafu <dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jane, I have found that in many instances the marriage was in the > village where the bride lived or came from, and it was very, very common > for a groom to find his bride to be in a village anything up to 10 miles > from where he lived. Ashburton is approximately 6 miles from Staverton, > and therefore fits into this category perfectly. I am currently > researching a family in rural Essex, and most of the brides come from such > villages. It is almost as if this cuts out the possibility of > inter-marriage, and also widens the scope for a suitable wife. > > On 14 October 2014 23:37, Jane Lucas via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> True.. I’m also researching ancestors in Lanashire. Until the mid 19thC >> there was only one Parish Church. Some of the villages/hamlets included in >> that Parish were well over 3 miles away.. the only route for many years >> being a coast ‘road’ that frequently flooded. Presumably people did that in >> their Sunday Best! >> >> Staverton distances seem nothing by comparison! >> >> On 14 Oct 2014, at 14:03, Brad Rogers via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:16:09 +0100 >> > Jane Lucas <janelucas@me.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hello Jane, >> > >> >> Yes, and I guess if you’re a landowner/yeoman farmer you might afford >> >> to do just that if it’s a bit of a distance. >> > >> > Depends what you consider to be "a bit of a distance". Nowadays, people >> > tend to think of walking a mile as "a long way". When I was a kid, >> > several of my friends had to travel three miles just to get to the bus >> > stop for the bus. >> > >> > A five mile walk is not much more than an hour, over reasonable >> > terrain. Mind you, I wouldn't want to walk that sort of distance, cross >> > country, in my Sunday best. >> > >> > -- >> > Regards _ >> > / ) "The blindingly obvious is >> > / _)rad never immediately apparent" >> > Tired of doing day jobs with no thanks for what I do >> > Do Anything You Wanna Do - Eddie & The Hotrods >> > >> > ------------------------------------------ >> > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> > and >> > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> > List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> Jane Lucas >> janelucas@me.com >> 00 44 (0)7 77 55 72 00 4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Jane, I have found that in many instances the marriage was in the village where the bride lived or came from, and it was very, very common for a groom to find his bride to be in a village anything up to 10 miles from where he lived. Ashburton is approximately 6 miles from Staverton, and therefore fits into this category perfectly. I am currently researching a family in rural Essex, and most of the brides come from such villages. It is almost as if this cuts out the possibility of inter-marriage, and also widens the scope for a suitable wife. On 14 October 2014 23:37, Jane Lucas via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > True.. I’m also researching ancestors in Lanashire. Until the mid 19thC > there was only one Parish Church. Some of the villages/hamlets included in > that Parish were well over 3 miles away.. the only route for many years > being a coast ‘road’ that frequently flooded. Presumably people did that in > their Sunday Best! > > Staverton distances seem nothing by comparison! > > On 14 Oct 2014, at 14:03, Brad Rogers via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:16:09 +0100 > > Jane Lucas <janelucas@me.com> wrote: > > > > Hello Jane, > > > >> Yes, and I guess if you’re a landowner/yeoman farmer you might afford > >> to do just that if it’s a bit of a distance. > > > > Depends what you consider to be "a bit of a distance". Nowadays, people > > tend to think of walking a mile as "a long way". When I was a kid, > > several of my friends had to travel three miles just to get to the bus > > stop for the bus. > > > > A five mile walk is not much more than an hour, over reasonable > > terrain. Mind you, I wouldn't want to walk that sort of distance, cross > > country, in my Sunday best. > > > > -- > > Regards _ > > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > > Tired of doing day jobs with no thanks for what I do > > Do Anything You Wanna Do - Eddie & The Hotrods > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > Jane Lucas > janelucas@me.com > 00 44 (0)7 77 55 72 00 4 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Did Susan have a sister called Eliza born c1850? In 1891 there is a Florence Wills aged 11, born Taunton, living in Blackburn, Lancashire, listed as neice in the household of James Walmsley born Blackburn and Eliza Walmsley (born Donyatt, Somerset which is Susan's birthplace on the 1881 census). There is a marriage Sep 1886 Blackburn which includes a James Walmsley and Eliza James in the list. Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 14/10/2014 - 18:58 (GMTST) To : DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] William WILLS, Susan WILLS, Florence WILLS, Barnstaple. In 1881 census, William WILLS was working as a foreman in a china shop in Taunton Somerset. WilliamSamuel WILLS was b.1850 Taunton, Somerset. He married Susan JAMES June Qtr 1878, Taunton.The birth of theirdaughter Florence WILLS was registered December Qtr 1879, Taunton.Some time between 1881and 1886, William Wills and his family moved from Taunton to Barnstaple.Susan Wills died in 1886.  Susan WILLSage 34, death registered June Qtr 1886, Barnstaple.What happened to their daughter Florence WILLS?I have not found her in 1891 Census.  Widower WilliamSamuel WILLS age 33, married my grandfather's sister, Jemima ROOK age 30, marriage registered March Qtr 1888 Barnstaple.  By 1891 William and Jemima are living in Barnstaple and have a son, William, born 1889, and later have Ethel May 1892, and Winifred Emmeline 1895.  But no trace of Florence, who should be 12. What happened to her? ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As has been pointed out the tradition is that marriages took place in the brides parish . Much of the reasoning behind this is based on the role of the church as the civil power. Banns were read in both brides and grooms church but after the marriage the bride became the responsibility of the grooms parish and he was expected to return there with his new bride. Exceptions required marriage by licence which in turn required a bond to guarantee that the couple were legally entitled to marry and, hence, more costly. A five miles commute (or go courting) to work was not unusual, but many would live on the farms they worked. My ancestors centred round a group of villages in the Culm Valley. Labourers, in particular, would find work in neighbouring parishes often with a tied cottage giving them temporary rights of residence. Many were employed at hiring fairs often to work in neighbouring parishes. Villages close to the parish boundary may attract cross border trade (the nearest pub and shops) and social events. Everyone would meet at the local market town. The whole process ensured jobs/labour, old/young, boy/girl stayed in balance. Where land was involved marriages were still arranged to help keep estates intact. Typically this would be families of equal wealth marrying off daughters to wealthy husbands and keeping the estate intact for the son and heir. The families may live some distance apart. I use a piece of software called Parloc (google it) which will list parishes within a given radius from the "Target" parish. Genuki will show what registers are available and where. Always look at the original registers, banns etc., they may show the parish of the bride or groom where the incumbent wanted to be explicit about them being somebody else's responsibility. Probably not relevant in this case are the various non-conformist registers. Non-conformist "parishes" could cover large areas and tended to be centred on the larger towns. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Lucas via Sent: 14 October 2014 10:39 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Resolving Brick Walls The recent 'brick wall' thread has prompted me to think a bit further outside the box when looking at early records. Can anyone help fill in some background concerning the process of recording BMDs? I'm looking at people born mainly in Staverton, Devon. Usually BMD was recorded at Staverton St. Paul. However, I'm wondering if other churches might sometimes have been used? I've found at least one marriage as far away as Ashburton which seems right, but why Ashburton? That marriage was a Yeoman farmer from Staverton and names of both families seem to be incorporated in to their childrens names. Circumstantial I know, but maybe the families knew each other. Also, people working the land (as opposed to owning it) would have had to travel presumably if work wasn't available locally. I'm looking at very early records around the start of recording. I know people didn't travel as far, but would an Ashburton from Staverton marriage be possible? What about other Parishes close by? Would baptisms etc sometimes take place elsewhere, e.g. Broadhempston, Buckfastleigh. I'm mainly using online sources (FMP & Ancestry), & Devon Record Office. Does anyone know if all the old Registers have been transcribed and put online or if there are still some to go? I sometimes find a single very early (pre 1600) record. But it makes me wonder.. If there's one, why not more? Possibly the early Staverton registers were in a bad state of preservation, but I don't know. There are relatively few records between say 1640-1660. I assume that was the Civil War influence. The more I find out the more I realise I need to know! If anyone can point me to some specific reading material for local economic/social history I'd appreciate it. Regards Jane Jane Lucas Devon ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message