Hello All, We have a distant relation in that Mary Jane Vinnicombe married Christopher Vanstone. On the firer we have little except her birthplace at South Molton where persons using that same surname were baptised, married and died. On Christopher we have his parents and descendants to the present day, are aware there is a vast Vanstone history but no connection has been made so far to other born in the surrounding area of Sampford Courtenay. sincerely, dave. r==================================== Message Received: Oct 09 2014, 10:53 AM From: "elizabeth howard via" To: "Richard Jones" , devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [DEV]  JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 Hi Richard and Martin etc. what wonderful news.......so John was the son of James, now who was James ????? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Jones via" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 8:09 PM Subject: [DEV] JOHN VINNICOMBE born Devon 1767 > Message for Martin Beavis, Elizabeth Howard and for anybody interested. > > Further to my message in Vol.9, issue 349, 8 Oct 2014 08:06h - > > I have not awaited Martin’s reply to my last post mentioned above, because > of some illuminating news just in. Following Elizabeth’s suggestion, I > ordered some time ago an electronic copy, from the DRO, of the Cullompton > PR page with the unclear entry. I received that entry today and – because > the image can be zoomed extra large – I have no doubt that it reads on 16 > Aug 1767 – John, son of James. Thank you, Elizabeth, for that push. I feel > that this makes clear the close relationship that the VINNICOMBEs have > with Cullompton, a next-door parish to Plymtree, not only in John’s b.1767 > case but also of his children. I really feel that Robert was born in > Cullompton, and I agree with Martin about William b.1806. > > In fact, I am in contact with a descendant of William and told him that a > John VINNICOMBE Plymtree baptism is not included in the PRs. I will tell > him about John’s 1767 Cullompton baptism which I believe is the record > that we were looking for, and that – in my opinion - Robert and William > were most likely born there too, and maybe others. In exchange for this > information, I will ask him why he has documented John’s parents as James > VINNICOMB and Mary HAYWARD. > > I also thank Elizabeth for her message further illustrating that the > VINNICOMBEs have been around Cullompton for many decades. > > All the best, Richard in Brighton. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1. COOK Caulker (Darlene Odenwalder) Caulking was/is not a hard job but would have been rather tedious after a long day. It consisted of chinking the seams of the ship boards with oakum to prevent leakage. They used a wooden wedge and wooden mallet to drive the oakum in between the seams of the boards without undue damage to the boards. James Cook was also a caulker there a generation or so before your Richard. See the Genuki Devon "Artificer" project.

Hi Gion Thank you for the information I was not aware of the Artificer project. It appears the family also has ties to Lanteglos, Cornwall, England that's where Richard's father was born. Darlene On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Gion Tobac via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > 1. COOK Caulker (Darlene Odenwalder) > Caulking was/is not a hard job but would have been rather tedious after a > long day. It consisted of chinking the seams of the ship boards with oakum > to prevent leakage. They used a wooden wedge and wooden mallet to drive the > oakum in between the seams of the boards without undue damage to the > boards. James Cook was also a caulker there a generation or so before your > Richard. See the Genuki Devon "Artificer" project. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Go to Rootsweb mailing list for Devon, Unsubscribe and then reSubscribe again. Look below on each e-mail..... It should work fine. Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Rob Russell via Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:12 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] email address change Hi, Sorry to post this to the list but my email provider refuses to accept the admin address given so I am not sure how else to contact the list administrator. I currently subscribe to the mailing list but I am changing my email address, I am not sure how I go about notifying the list of a change of email. Do I need to unsubscribe and re-register or is there another way to change. Look below on each e-mail My current address is rob.russell@talk21.com this will be changing on 1st November to chieflx@hotmail.com any help you can give with this will be much appreciate. Many thanks Rob Russell

Hi, Sorry to post this to the list but my email provider refuses to accept the admin address given so I am not sure how else to contact the list administrator. I currently subscribe to the mailing list but I am changing my email address, I am not sure how I go about notifying the list of a change of email. Do I need to unsubscribe and re-register or is there another way to change. My current address is rob.russell@talk21.com this will be changing on 1st November to chieflx@hotmail.com any help you can give with this will be much appreciate. Many thanks Rob Russell

Hi Martin Thank you so much for all the information, this is so exciting. We knew very little about Richard Cook and you have opened several doors for me. I really appreciate the links! Again Thank you for your help. Kind Regards Darlene On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Martin Beavis via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Darlene > > A quick Google finds: > > (1) This looks like a consortium of Dockyard workers, including Richard > Cook of Devonport, caulker, were transferring a jointly-held lease to a > local tanner: > Access to Archives – Plymouth and West Devon Record Office – Bond Pearce > and Company, Solicitors > > http://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=028-917&cid=10-69#10-69 > [no title] 917/252 1865 > Counterpart lease for 21 years > 1 John Dean, Edward Cock, Andrew Walke, Jacob Fletcher, Peter Lamb and > Samuel Norman, all of Devonport, shipwrights; Richard Cook of Devonport, > caulker; John Thorne, John Truscott, Edward Short, all of Devonport, > joiners; William Maddeford and Richard Blake of Devonport, labourers; > Joseph Thomas of Devonport, sawyer; Richard Kingdon of Devonport, > wheelwright; Abraham Hawkins of Devonport, smith; all at H M Dockyard > 2 Dame Sophia Rogers of Blachford, Cornwood, widow > 3 John Head of Ivybridge, tanner and currier > To John Head with consent of Dame Sophia Rogers, to take water from the > waste and mill leats of the Ivybridge Union Mills > Rent: £7 10s per annum > > (2) http://members.tripod.com/david_cooke/sources/1851b.html > Transcription of the 1851 census that you know about: > Richard Cook 60 caulker at 4 Clowance Lane Stoke Damerel > but have you noticed > Richard Cook 26 caulker at 5 Clowance Lane? > Like father, like son? > > It look very much like your ancestors were caulkers in the RN Dockyard > Devonport. You asked about shipbuilding occupations. Caulker was a > responsible well-paid job involving quality control and supervision: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~penney/shipwrights%20trades%20etc/s_wright%20trade.htm > Note the reference to "oakum, old hemp rope picked loose", described in a > recent WDYTYA as unpleasant hard labour for female prisoners – hence "money > for old rope", albeit not for the prisoners.. > http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/KR&AI_1808/S07_C4_Caulker.html > Job description of a Caulker. Other shipyard occupations are described on > this website. Note that the "Previous" page has similar for Ship > Carpenter, many of them Devonian, to whom the Caulker reported. That was a > very important job – I recall reading that it was a criminal offence to > interfere with the work of a naval Carpenter. > > "Superannuated" is sometimes used for "Pensioner" in census returns, > consistent with your Richard Cook drawing a naval pension at age 70. > Another Google search actually found reference to a " Superannuated > Caulker" > > Regards - Martin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darlene Odenwalder via > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:59 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] COOK Caulker > > Dear List > > I am new to Devon Research. I have found my 3rd great grandfather Richard > Cook (1 Dec. 1790-2 of Jan 1869.) in the 1841,1851,1861 Devon, England, > Census. > > He is listed as a Caulker, even in 1861 when he is seventy years old, he is > listed as a Sup Caulker. ( I am not sure what that is unless it's a > Supervisor or maybe an expert?) I assume they seal the seams in the ship. > > Can someone direct me, to where I can find information on ship building, > information on their different occupations, what was it like to work in > the Ship Yard's in Devon in the 1800's. It sounds like it was a hard life, > if he is still working at seventy. > > They lived at 4 Clowance Lane Stoke Damerel, Devon, England. > > My 2nd great grandmother Jemima COOK (10 Mar 1828-3 Jan 1907) Richard's > youngest daughter came to America in 1856. She is the only one in the > family that we are aware of, who immigrated to the U.S. > > Any help would be very much appreciated > > Kind regards > Darlene > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Darlene A quick Google finds: (1) This looks like a consortium of Dockyard workers, including Richard Cook of Devonport, caulker, were transferring a jointly-held lease to a local tanner: Access to Archives – Plymouth and West Devon Record Office – Bond Pearce and Company, Solicitors http://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=028-917&cid=10-69#10-69 [no title] 917/252 1865 Counterpart lease for 21 years 1 John Dean, Edward Cock, Andrew Walke, Jacob Fletcher, Peter Lamb and Samuel Norman, all of Devonport, shipwrights; Richard Cook of Devonport, caulker; John Thorne, John Truscott, Edward Short, all of Devonport, joiners; William Maddeford and Richard Blake of Devonport, labourers; Joseph Thomas of Devonport, sawyer; Richard Kingdon of Devonport, wheelwright; Abraham Hawkins of Devonport, smith; all at H M Dockyard 2 Dame Sophia Rogers of Blachford, Cornwood, widow 3 John Head of Ivybridge, tanner and currier To John Head with consent of Dame Sophia Rogers, to take water from the waste and mill leats of the Ivybridge Union Mills Rent: £7 10s per annum (2) http://members.tripod.com/david_cooke/sources/1851b.html Transcription of the 1851 census that you know about: Richard Cook 60 caulker at 4 Clowance Lane Stoke Damerel but have you noticed Richard Cook 26 caulker at 5 Clowance Lane? Like father, like son? It look very much like your ancestors were caulkers in the RN Dockyard Devonport. You asked about shipbuilding occupations. Caulker was a responsible well-paid job involving quality control and supervision: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~penney/shipwrights%20trades%20etc/s_wright%20trade.htm Note the reference to "oakum, old hemp rope picked loose", described in a recent WDYTYA as unpleasant hard labour for female prisoners – hence "money for old rope", albeit not for the prisoners.. http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/KR&AI_1808/S07_C4_Caulker.html Job description of a Caulker. Other shipyard occupations are described on this website. Note that the "Previous" page has similar for Ship Carpenter, many of them Devonian, to whom the Caulker reported. That was a very important job – I recall reading that it was a criminal offence to interfere with the work of a naval Carpenter. "Superannuated" is sometimes used for "Pensioner" in census returns, consistent with your Richard Cook drawing a naval pension at age 70. Another Google search actually found reference to a " Superannuated Caulker" Regards - Martin -----Original Message----- From: Darlene Odenwalder via Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:59 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] COOK Caulker Dear List I am new to Devon Research. I have found my 3rd great grandfather Richard Cook (1 Dec. 1790-2 of Jan 1869.) in the 1841,1851,1861 Devon, England, Census. He is listed as a Caulker, even in 1861 when he is seventy years old, he is listed as a Sup Caulker. ( I am not sure what that is unless it's a Supervisor or maybe an expert?) I assume they seal the seams in the ship. Can someone direct me, to where I can find information on ship building, information on their different occupations, what was it like to work in the Ship Yard's in Devon in the 1800's. It sounds like it was a hard life, if he is still working at seventy. They lived at 4 Clowance Lane Stoke Damerel, Devon, England. My 2nd great grandmother Jemima COOK (10 Mar 1828-3 Jan 1907) Richard's youngest daughter came to America in 1856. She is the only one in the family that we are aware of, who immigrated to the U.S. Any help would be very much appreciated Kind regards Darlene ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caulker doesn't only refer to ships. It can also be for Pipe Work and Buildings. He may of course be a supplier of Caulking. It is always difficult to know exactly what is meant when words are not complete. Shortened versions of words will always be a problem for everyone barring the author. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Darlene Odenwalder via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:59 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] COOK Caulker > Dear List > > I am new to Devon Research. I have found my 3rd great grandfather Richard > Cook (1 Dec. 1790-2 of Jan 1869.) in the 1841,1851,1861 Devon, England, > Census. > > He is listed as a Caulker, even in 1861 when he is seventy years old, he > is > listed as a Sup Caulker. ( I am not sure what that is unless it's a > Supervisor or maybe an expert?) I assume they seal the seams in the ship. > > Can someone direct me, to where I can find information on ship building, > information on their different occupations, what was it like to work in > the Ship Yard's in Devon in the 1800's. It sounds like it was a hard > life, > if he is still working at seventy. > > They lived at 4 Clowance Lane Stoke Damerel, Devon, England. > > My 2nd great grandmother Jemima COOK (10 Mar 1828-3 Jan 1907) Richard's > youngest daughter came to America in 1856. She is the only one in the > family that we are aware of, who immigrated to the U.S. > > Any help would be very much appreciated > > Kind regards > Darlene > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Darlene: >He is listed as a Caulker, even in 1861 when he is seventy years >old, he islisted as a Sup Caulker. ( I am not sure what that is >unless it's a Supervisor Or superintendent? There is a little raised squiggle after Sup that could stand for almost any letter. It may be relevant that further up on the same page is a Richard H Cook, aged 34 (so perhaps your Richard's son?) who is described as a Ship Caulker. > It sounds like it was a hard life, if he is still working at seventy. If he simply oversaw others, it would not have been so hard. Anyway, people had to work until they dropped in most cases: no pensions,etc. Unless they went into the workhouse. Regards, John Moore

Dear List I am new to Devon Research. I have found my 3rd great grandfather Richard Cook (1 Dec. 1790-2 of Jan 1869.) in the 1841,1851,1861 Devon, England, Census. He is listed as a Caulker, even in 1861 when he is seventy years old, he is listed as a Sup Caulker. ( I am not sure what that is unless it's a Supervisor or maybe an expert?) I assume they seal the seams in the ship. Can someone direct me, to where I can find information on ship building, information on their different occupations, what was it like to work in the Ship Yard's in Devon in the 1800's. It sounds like it was a hard life, if he is still working at seventy. They lived at 4 Clowance Lane Stoke Damerel, Devon, England. My 2nd great grandmother Jemima COOK (10 Mar 1828-3 Jan 1907) Richard's youngest daughter came to America in 1856. She is the only one in the family that we are aware of, who immigrated to the U.S. Any help would be very much appreciated Kind regards Darlene

John This is the National Archives Guide http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/coroners-inque sts.htm .The National Archives search includes local archives but most of the records have not been indexed by name. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=inquest+AND+Devon . I did a quick search of the British Library and Findmypast newspaper archives but found nothing. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John H Lunceford via Sent: 18 October 2014 16:28 To: Devon List Subject: [DEV] Corner's Inquest I would like to get the information from the inquest of John Husson who dies 24 Oct 1859 at Ford, Townstal, Dartmouth, aged 69. He fell down the stairs. John was a sawyer. I am hoping it might help answer a couple of questions I have on him and the Husson family. Several years ago as I remember, the November1859 issue of the Dartmouth Chronicle was missing that would have had the corner's inquest. Any help would be greatly appreciated. THANK YOU John Lunceford Terre Haute, Indiana ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( <http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS ( <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:DEVON-request@rootsweb.com> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Indeed, substantial transcriptions should be made available for inclusion in GENUKI/Devon, as well as - or indeed instead of - being posted, so as to ensure their continued easy accessibility. (Recall that GENUKI is an archived and searchable virtual library, the continued availability and existence of which does not depend on any single individual.) > > Please do not post extensive transcriptions from documents or publications unless you can demonstrate that you have good reason to believe that you are not offending against either the wishes or the legal rights of the owner, or against copyright. > > Note that if an individual, or an archive, owns a document, then they have every right to constrain someone who they allow to look at or borrow that document, e.g. not to copy this document. (It is on this basis that some Devon parishes are refusing to allow their parish registers to be published online.) 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So when there is any doubt you should request permission beforehand, rather than rely on a narrow and perhaps arguable interpretation of the letter of the law to justify your posting. (This applies particularly to Devon parish register transcriptions, given the sensitivities involved.) > > In summary, all of this is easily understandable by putting oneself in the position of the person or organisation that owns the original information, or that has laboured hard to produce some publication, and considering how some activity would look from this point of view. If you have any questions or concerns about the above rules, please send them directly to Terry or me, rather than to the entire mailing list. Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brian.randell

Good Day, What is the lady apologizing for? Edna - Ottawa Devon-L --- Brian Tandell: I apologize for my mistake. Helen ------------------------------------------

Hi Helen No problem - such a mistake is very easily made. The broadcast critical response that you received was the bigger problem. Cheers Brian Sent from my iPhone - please excuse brevity. On 19 Oct 2014, at 23:54, "Helen via" <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > Brian Tandell: I apologize for my mistake. Helen > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Surely this is off topic. If so it isn't allowed on Devon_L -------------------------------------------------- From: "Helen via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:21 PM To: "Carol Collins" <collinscarol@hotmail.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Devon Clotted Creram > > > > > > > > About 1953, I spent a year in England and my favourite dessert was Devon > Clotted Cream with jello. Of course I came back to Canada with a few > extra > pounds but I did enjoy every bite of that cream. Thanks for the reminder > of > its existence. Helen > > > From: Carol Collins > > Hi: > > I've had a chance to watch the series online over the past few weeks at > Knowledge Network in Canada, and quite enjoyed it. The section about the > making of Devon clotted cream was very interesting. If anyone's > interested, > it's now available on DVD through the BBC: > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Edwardian Farm etc. is a wonderful educational way to learn about Devon and our ancestors, many of whom worked the land. The filming took place in our county of Devon. Thanks Carol for the reminder. Edna - Ottawa

Edwardian Farm and the other series have been available in Ontario through TVO, the educational channel. We have enjoyed the series immensely. Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Carol Collins via Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:31 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Edwardian Farm Hi: I've had a chance to watch the series online over the past few weeks at Knowledge Network in Canada, and quite enjoyed it. The section about the making of Devon clotted cream was very interesting. If anyone's interested, it's now available on DVD through the BBC: http://www.bbcshop.com/history/edwardian-farm-dvd/invt/av9786?source=112_69 In Canada, it's available through Amazon.ca's BBC shop: http://www.amazon.ca/Edwardian-Farm-Import/dp/B00CAT3TCU/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1413748908&sr=1-1&keywords=edwardian+farm Regards, Carol Collins

Hi: I've had a chance to watch the series online over the past few weeks at Knowledge Network in Canada, and quite enjoyed it. The section about the making of Devon clotted cream was very interesting. If anyone's interested, it's now available on DVD through the BBC: http://www.bbcshop.com/history/edwardian-farm-dvd/invt/av9786?source=112_69 In Canada, it's available through Amazon.ca's BBC shop: http://www.amazon.ca/Edwardian-Farm-Import/dp/B00CAT3TCU/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1413748908&sr=1-1&keywords=edwardian+farm Regards, Carol Collins