Hi, I have found 2 baptisms on the same day for Doris Elizabeth Rundle Watson, one says on the actual page "in the Parish of Upton, Torquay" according to the transcription this is St Mary Upton, the other says on the actual page "in the Parish of S James, Upton Torquay".  The details are the same and both say performed by E B Payne but the one in St Mary says E G Payne Off. Min of the District of S James. Please could anyone tell me if she was baptised twice on the same day, once in the small St James church or are there 2 registers for St Mary church? Thanks Marion

Seeking information on Mathew LUMBERT/LUMBARD around the Axminster area pre 1800 Thanks Philip

Very true - However, the names here would I think have been decided upon by the local Parish Council & the PCC - & the people associated with one would also have been involved with the other. My personal feeling is that he was a worker on the Stoodleigh estate. The estate owner was Hugh Money-Coutts who was in local yeomanry, and went away almost immediately after the start of the war. If Ellis was a single man, an estate worker & from another part of Devon - or Somerset (or a completely different part of the country - a Scottish gamekeeper maybe)- there would be no parish records for him. At least we now know that he was William Ellis, as that is one of the eight names read out each remembrance Sunday (the eighth is of the one death from the parish in WW2). Chris -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers via Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 4:55 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] William ELLIS On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:10:46 -0000 Chris Whitehead via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Chris, >Does anyone have any thoughts on who ELLIS W. was? Whilst not directly relevant to your query, it might help you to know that in other parts of the country names appearing on war memorials were not "vetted" in any consistent way, if at all. Sometimes they were added because somebody local sent in the name. So, the commemorated person may have meant something to them, but not have any local connection other than that one person. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" No guarantee the stimuli must be perceived the same... Gary Gilmore's Eyes - The Adverts ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having carried out a similar exercise in my locality, I discovered that a number of names recorded on the memorial board in our local church were offered by the parents of serviceman who worshipped there even though the serviceman no longer lived in the area. Sent from my iPad

On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 15:10:46 -0000 Chris Whitehead via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Chris, >Does anyone have any thoughts on who ELLIS W. was? Whilst not directly relevant to your query, it might help you to know that in other parts of the country names appearing on war memorials were not "vetted" in any consistent way, if at all. Sometimes they were added because somebody local sent in the name. So, the commemorated person may have meant something to them, but not have any local connection other than that one person. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" No guarantee the stimuli must be perceived the same... Gary Gilmore's Eyes - The Adverts

Our village has a memorial panel in the church with the names of “The men of Stoodleigh parish and estate who laid down their lives and of those who served” in World War I. We (the village history group) are mounting an exhibition to tell something of the lives of the seven men who died. , we know who six of them were – local men, with families in the village or district. The seventh is something of a mystery. He appears on the panel as ELLIS W. A report in the local paper (Tiverton Gazette) at the end of 1914 includes William ELLIS on a list of men already serving. The name ELLIS does not appear in the 1911 census for Stoodleigh; In the 1901 census there is one ELLIS – Florence age 21, from Cornwall, a servant at Stoodleigh court. No ELLIS appears on the voters lists/electoral registers of the time. No ELLIS children were admitted to the village school at any relevant time. We have been unable to find any ELLIS entry on the CWGC website whether or not serving in the Devonshire Regiment (All the other deaths wer of men serving with the Devons, and research on those who returned suggests that many of them were in the Devons, with others in the Royal Marines. Does anyone have any thoughts on who ELLIS W. was? Chris

Hi Julia - Your post aroused my curiosity because in my youth I used to bike-ride in those parts and go fishing just upstream from Weycroft Mill and Manor. Nowadays those properties are a Christian centre, wedding venue and holiday cottages (http://www.task-centre.org.uk/index.php). Going back in time, the Warden/Liddon webpage that Joy found gives plenty of fascinating detail about the marriage of Matthew Liddon and Ann Warden and their children but nothing about Matthew himself except that he was allegedly a Captain from Furzeleigh, Axminster. Captain of what? Does the marriage announcement use that title (as one might expect) or just plain Mr? I expect you have found loads by searching Google for [Liddon Axminster] but the most relevant hits include: Life and Letters of Henry Parry Liddon, the Canon of St Pauls, son of Matthew's naval nephew (?) https://archive.org/details/a610773000johnuoft See pages 1 & 2: "In the early part of the eighteenth century a branch of the Liddon family migrated from Delford [Dulford], near Broadhembury, to Axminster; and there Matthew Liddon [RN, North West Passage] was born in 1791." It sounds like your Liddon were property-owning gentry, but there was, however, already a Liddon family in Axminster, so you might need to distinguish between them, or work out how they might have been related: http://genforum.genealogy.com/lyddon/messages/38.html - pedigree of Liddon family of Axminster Other Google results include: http://www.foda.org.uk/oaths/QS17/2/2/18.htm - 1723, some Liddon were illiterate http://www.foda.org.uk/freeholders/QS7/28/axminster.htm - 1751 Liddon = yeoman, tanner, soapboiler http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Axminster/AxminsterresidentsintheGreatUniversalDirectoryof1794.htm - 1794, search for several Liddon = tanner, farmer, mantua maker (mantua = loose women's gown, as in loose gown, not loose women) http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rPUGAAAAQAAJ - "Furslegh, consisting of about seventy-four acres, was sold in fee, in 1809, to the tenant Mr. Amos Liddon, a surgeon of Axminster" http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13990472 - Liddon, family of Axminster, 1660-1876: deeds, wills and papers (but don't get too excited - no details online) FMP is free this weekend - so Search Records --> dropdown --> Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records search for Last name = Liddon inc name variants, Optional keyword = Axminster, everything else blank --> results from 1681 onwards with several marriages within your timeframe, including some Liddon of Axminster who married elsewhere, but no early baptisms or burials. FMP also has Liddon BMDs in Broadhembury before 1700. Ancestry has facsimile images of several PCC wills that might reveal family relationships: Samuel Liddon, Clothier proved 21 Jun 1742 Axminster, Devon, England Jonathan Liddon 17 Jan 1748 Chard, Somerset, England Amos Liddon, Gent 14 Aug 1782 Axminster, Devon, England William Liddon, Gent 16 Jan 1796 Axminster, Devon, England Grace Lyddon 2 Jan 1772 Chardstock, Dorset, England but the handwriting will be hard to read. If you can manage any transcriptions (either full or abstracted), then it would be nice to put them on Genuki Axminster. Turning to less reliable options, Ancestry has about 25 public trees for the Liddon family of Axminster and Charmouth. Beginning with the Nixon tree, which promises most sources, and then following the Bunter name to the Ledden tree (not the born in the USA Ledden Family Tree!) and the Shelden tree, we derive a possible relationship, that: Amos Liddon (b 1709) was father of Matthew Liddon/Lyddon (b 1727 or 1733) who married Deborah Bunter (b 1730). Their children included (1) John Bunter Liddon (1753-1811) who married Mary Hill (1753-1799), whose children included the Matthew Liddon (b 1792) who became the naval officer on the North West Passage expedition, and (2) the Matthew Liddon (1763-1803) who married Ann Warden (1770-1849). That is a superficial composite - but does seem consistent with the marriage and baptism that Joy reported. And finally, for a few thousand GBP you can buy Liddon family heirlooms: http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/LotDetailsPrintable.aspx?intObjectID=2945505 http://www.rldavids.force9.co.uk/northwest.htm Good hunting! Martin -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 12:00 PM To: Julia Crawley ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] There is a baptism at Axminster 27 Dec 1763, Matthew LIDDON son of Matthew and Deborah: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Q3-GJ7 You can find other baptisms of Matthew and Deborah's children on Familysearch which may provide the link to the nephew you mention. There is a marriage 13 Jun 1748 Upper Cerne, Dorset Matthew Lyddon and Deborah Bunter The Axminster Liddons did have Dorset connections. There is a Sun Fire Office insurance document on National Archives: "Insured Deborah Liddon, Cundlewake, Caundle bishops Dorset, widow. Other property or occupiers: Axminster, Devon (John Bunter Liddon, farmer)" This website says the Liddons were farmers and clothiers: http://www.freshford.com/warden.htm There are several references on the National Archives to Matthew Liddon, Axminster which may refer to his father: A bastardy bond dated 1759 refers to Matthew Liddon of Axminster, chandler. A Deed of Poll dated 1762 and various other documents refer to Matthew Liddon, Axminster, Tanner. (Search the National Archives Discovery for "Liddon Axminster"). Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 03/11/2014 - 10:41 (GMTST) To : DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] Hello list, I am trying to find out more about Matthew Liddon born around 1770 and died about 1802. I don't know where he was born or where he died or who his parents were. He may have been in the Navy. In 1789 in Axminster he married Ann Warden daughter of James Warden of Charmouth and his wife Elizabeth. There was mention of this marriage in one of the newspapers of the time which stated Matthew was of Weycroft House. They had six children - James Warden, Elizabeth, Sophia Jackson, Ann Warden, Lucy and Matthew John. I believe he had a nephew also called Matthew Liddon who accompanied Captain William Parry of Northwest Passage fame and the father of Henry Parry Liddon, Canon of St Paul's. Hoping someone can help. Regards, Julia

They are different churches. St Pauls Church, Devonport was located at the northern end of Morice Street. The foundation stne was laid in 1849 and the register dates from 1851. It was badly damaged in WW11 and finally demolished in 1959. http://www.devonportonline.co.uk/historic_devonport/buildings_historic/st-pauls/st-pauls.aspx St Paul's Stonehouse is on Durnford Street and dates from 1831: http://www.stpauls-stonehouse.org.uk/wordpress2/ The three towns, Plymouth, East stonehouse and Devonport were very close to each other and were merged into one town, the Borough of Plymouth, in 1914. Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 06/11/2014 - 17:00 (GMTST) To : DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] St. Paul Devonport Could someone please tell me if St. Paul Church, Devonport is the same church as St. Paul, East Stonehouse ? A marriage took place in the first in 1868; a baptism (of unrelated person) took place in second in 1885. Thanks Anne ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have any info re. John Westicott & his wife Ann Pyke...they had a son Samuel born 1804 ..John married Anne 20/12/1791 Upton Pyne ..I have been trying to find this info from Devon for so long to no avail ...Hoping someone will be able ro help me in finding this info..Regards ..Lillian QLD Aust

Could someone please tell me if St. Paul Church, Devonport is the same church as St. Paul, East Stonehouse ? A marriage took place in the first in 1868; a baptism (of unrelated person) took place in second in 1885. Thanks Anne

Another list have just pointed out this offer. FindMyPast are offering free access 12:00 GMT Friday 7 Nov until 11.59 on Sunday 11 Nov to coincide with Remembrance Weekend. Current Local subscribers will have access to World records and current World Subscribers with expiry after 11 Nov will have three days added to their subscription. Click link for details http://www.findmypast.co.uk/freeweekend?_ga=1.85387929.1402584443.1396541479 Joy

Hello list, I am trying to find out more about Matthew Liddon born around 1770 and died about 1802. I don't know where he was born or where he died or who his parents were. He may have been in the Navy. In 1789 in Axminster he married Ann Warden daughter of James Warden of Charmouth and his wife Elizabeth. There was mention of this marriage in one of the newspapers of the time which stated Matthew was of Weycroft House. They had six children - James Warden, Elizabeth, Sophia Jackson, Ann Warden, Lucy and Matthew John. I believe he had a nephew also called Matthew Liddon who accompanied Captain William Parry of Northwest Passage fame and the father of Henry Parry Liddon, Canon of St Paul's. Hoping someone can help. Regards, Julia

There is a baptism at Axminster 27 Dec 1763, Matthew LIDDON son of Matthew and Deborah: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Q3-GJ7 You can find other baptisms of Matthew and Deborah's children on Familysearch which may provide the link to the nephew you mention. There is a marriage 13 Jun 1748 Upper Cerne, Dorset Matthew Lyddon and Deborah Bunter The Axminster Liddons did have Dorset connections. There is a Sun Fire Office insurance document on National Archives: "Insured Deborah Liddon, Cundlewake, Caundle bishops Dorset, widow. Other property or occupiers: Axminster, Devon (John Bunter Liddon, farmer)" This website says the Liddons were farmers and clothiers: http://www.freshford.com/warden.htm There are several references on the National Archives to Matthew Liddon, Axminster which may refer to his father: A bastardy bond dated 1759 refers to Matthew Liddon of Axminster, chandler. A Deed of Poll dated 1762 and various other documents refer to Matthew Liddon, Axminster, Tanner. (Search the National Archives Discovery for "Liddon Axminster"). Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 03/11/2014 - 10:41 (GMTST) To : DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] Hello list, I am trying to find out more about Matthew Liddon born around 1770 and died about 1802. I don't know where he was born or where he died or who his parents were. He may have been in the Navy. In 1789 in Axminster he married Ann Warden daughter of James Warden of Charmouth and his wife Elizabeth. There was mention of this marriage in one of the newspapers of the time which stated Matthew was of Weycroft House. They had six children - James Warden, Elizabeth, Sophia Jackson, Ann Warden, Lucy and Matthew John. I believe he had a nephew also called Matthew Liddon who accompanied Captain William Parry of Northwest Passage fame and the father of Henry Parry Liddon, Canon of St Paul's. Hoping someone can help. Regards, Julia ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks To the many people on this list I've been in contact with over the years, this is to advise my changed email addy from any of these former email addys: mafrost@farmside.co.nz mafrost@slingshot.co.nz mafrost@thebarrier.net mafrost@xtra.co.nz to the current one above: mafrost@inspire.net.nz Thought this would be a good chance to relist my interests for newer people to the list. Any help you can give to break the brickwalls below would be much appreciated. My grandparents were Charles Edward FROST and Ann Pearce SKINNER who married at St Lukes, Torquay 23 May 1904. The FROST family goes back to the first Ambrose at Moretonhampstead in the early 1600s and ? one of two at Exeter in the late 1500s Female lines on the FROST side were: (unless otherwise stated dates are birth dates) ALEXANDER, ? Coffinswell back to John pre c 1730 ATKIN, Elizabeth ? Bradworthy c ? 1580 BALL, Stokeinteignhead, back to William, c 1688 BICKFORD, ? Stokeinteignhead, back to Sarah c ? 1690 BUCKENHAM/BUCKINGHAM, Moretonhampstead back to William c ? 1610 CASELY, Thomas and Susanna marr St Marchurch pre 1773 COOKSLEY, Kingswear and Stoke Gabriel back to Roger born c ? 1740 COLLACOT, Grace ? Moretonhampstead c ? 1631 DODD, Anne, ? Chagford c ? 1730 DOUST, Stoke Gabrielback to John c pre 1718 ELLIOT, back to Humphrey born ? 1558 ELSON, Stokeinteignhead back to Richard born c ? 1690 HYNE, Gertrude c 1621, ? Stokeinteignhead PEARCE/PEARSE, South Molton back to Philip 30 Jun 1668. LAKE, Elizabeth, South Molton c 1718 LEAR, Jane, ? St Marychurch, c 1785 LYLES, Stokeinteignhead back John c ? 1685 MANNING, Tormoham back to John c ? 1737 MAY married surname of widow Phillep/Phillepa who married at Alphington 17 Jan 1630. Subequently she married Ambrost FROST - eponymous Frost ancestor at Moretonhampstead. what was Phillep's birth surname? POOKE, Mary, Moretonhampstead, c ? 1645 RENDELL, Stokeinteignhead back to Elias born c? 1590 RICHARDS, Elizabeth Sth Molton 20 Mar 1714 RIDLEY, Jane bap 7 Feb 1769 Truro Cornwall, parents Peter and Mary ? SEWARD, Stokeinteignhead back to Simon c ? 1720 SHAPLAND, Nth Molton back to John 23 Sep 1705 SOPER, Moretonhampstead back to Thomas 9 Jul 1604 possibly connected to Elizabeth CLIFFORD of Ugborough. Proof of this would be great. TUCKER, Elizabeth ? South Molton c 1665 WARD, Joan, Exeter c 1647 WEBBER, Willmot c 1562 WILLS, William ? Stokeinteignhead c ? 1690 WILLS ? Tormoham back to George c ? 1705 YOULDEN/YOULDON, Moretonhampstead back to John c ? 1580 Will list the SKINNER spouse names another time;-) Madalene Frost Taihape NZ

Hi Madalene: I see you have a Mary Pooke (1645) among your interests. Pooke is an old Bovey Tracey name with records to abt 1611. Since you can walk from Bovey to Moreton in a couple of hours, your Mary could well have a Bovey Tracey connection, Mike (in Sydney). -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Madalene Frost via Sent: Monday, 3 November 2014 9:57 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Female spouses on my FROST line Hi folks To the many people on this list I've been in contact with over the years, this is to advise my changed email addy from any of these former email addys: mafrost@farmside.co.nz mafrost@slingshot.co.nz mafrost@thebarrier.net mafrost@xtra.co.nz to the current one above: mafrost@inspire.net.nz Thought this would be a good chance to relist my interests for newer people to the list. Any help you can give to break the brickwalls below would be much appreciated. My grandparents were Charles Edward FROST and Ann Pearce SKINNER who married at St Lukes, Torquay 23 May 1904. The FROST family goes back to the first Ambrose at Moretonhampstead in the early 1600s and ? one of two at Exeter in the late 1500s Female lines on the FROST side were: (unless otherwise stated dates are birth dates) ALEXANDER, ? Coffinswell back to John pre c 1730 ATKIN, Elizabeth ? Bradworthy c ? 1580 BALL, Stokeinteignhead, back to William, c 1688 BICKFORD, ? Stokeinteignhead, back to Sarah c ? 1690 BUCKENHAM/BUCKINGHAM, Moretonhampstead back to William c ? 1610 CASELY, Thomas and Susanna marr St Marchurch pre 1773 COOKSLEY, Kingswear and Stoke Gabriel back to Roger born c ? 1740 COLLACOT, Grace ? Moretonhampstead c ? 1631 DODD, Anne, ? Chagford c ? 1730 DOUST, Stoke Gabrielback to John c pre 1718 ELLIOT, back to Humphrey born ? 1558 ELSON, Stokeinteignhead back to Richard born c ? 1690 HYNE, Gertrude c 1621, ? Stokeinteignhead PEARCE/PEARSE, South Molton back to Philip 30 Jun 1668. LAKE, Elizabeth, South Molton c 1718 LEAR, Jane, ? St Marychurch, c 1785 LYLES, Stokeinteignhead back John c ? 1685 MANNING, Tormoham back to John c ? 1737 MAY married surname of widow Phillep/Phillepa who married at Alphington 17 Jan 1630. Subequently she married Ambrost FROST - eponymous Frost ancestor at Moretonhampstead. what was Phillep's birth surname? POOKE, Mary, Moretonhampstead, c ? 1645 RENDELL, Stokeinteignhead back to Elias born c? 1590 RICHARDS, Elizabeth Sth Molton 20 Mar 1714 RIDLEY, Jane bap 7 Feb 1769 Truro Cornwall, parents Peter and Mary ? SEWARD, Stokeinteignhead back to Simon c ? 1720 SHAPLAND, Nth Molton back to John 23 Sep 1705 SOPER, Moretonhampstead back to Thomas 9 Jul 1604 possibly connected to Elizabeth CLIFFORD of Ugborough. Proof of this would be great. TUCKER, Elizabeth ? South Molton c 1665 WARD, Joan, Exeter c 1647 WEBBER, Willmot c 1562 WILLS, William ? Stokeinteignhead c ? 1690 WILLS ? Tormoham back to George c ? 1705 YOULDEN/YOULDON, Moretonhampstead back to John c ? 1580 Will list the SKINNER spouse names another time;-) Madalene Frost Taihape NZ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Madalene: Thanks - I’ve updated the one use of your email address in GENUKI/Devon, on the article about Place Names. Cheers Brian On 2 Nov 2014, at 22:56, Madalene Frost via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi folks > > To the many people on this list I've been in contact with over the > years, this is to advise my changed email addy from any of these former > email addys: > mafrost@farmside.co.nz > mafrost@slingshot.co.nz > mafrost@thebarrier.net > mafrost@xtra.co.nz > > to the current one above: > mafrost@inspire.net.nz > > Thought this would be a good chance to relist my interests for newer > people to the list. > Any help you can give to break the brickwalls below would be much > appreciated. > > My grandparents were Charles Edward FROST and Ann Pearce SKINNER who > married at St Lukes, Torquay 23 May 1904. > The FROST family goes back to the first Ambrose at Moretonhampstead in > the early 1600s and ? one of two at Exeter in the late 1500s > > Female lines on the FROST side were: (unless otherwise stated dates are > birth dates) > > ALEXANDER, ? Coffinswell back to John pre c 1730 > ATKIN, Elizabeth ? Bradworthy c ? 1580 > BALL, Stokeinteignhead, back to William, c 1688 > BICKFORD, ? Stokeinteignhead, back to Sarah c ? 1690 > BUCKENHAM/BUCKINGHAM, Moretonhampstead back to William c ? 1610 > CASELY, Thomas and Susanna marr St Marchurch pre 1773 > COOKSLEY, Kingswear and Stoke Gabriel back to Roger born c ? 1740 > COLLACOT, Grace ? Moretonhampstead c ? 1631 > DODD, Anne, ? Chagford c ? 1730 > DOUST, Stoke Gabrielback to John c pre 1718 > ELLIOT, back to Humphrey born ? 1558 > ELSON, Stokeinteignhead back to Richard born c ? 1690 > HYNE, Gertrude c 1621, ? Stokeinteignhead > PEARCE/PEARSE, South Molton back to Philip 30 Jun 1668. > LAKE, Elizabeth, South Molton c 1718 > LEAR, Jane, ? St Marychurch, c 1785 > LYLES, Stokeinteignhead back John c ? 1685 > MANNING, Tormoham back to John c ? 1737 > MAY married surname of widow Phillep/Phillepa who married at Alphington > 17 Jan 1630. Subequently she married Ambrost FROST - > eponymous Frost ancestor at Moretonhampstead. what was Phillep's birth > surname? > POOKE, Mary, Moretonhampstead, c ? 1645 > RENDELL, Stokeinteignhead back to Elias born c? 1590 > RICHARDS, Elizabeth Sth Molton 20 Mar 1714 > RIDLEY, Jane bap 7 Feb 1769 Truro Cornwall, parents Peter and Mary ? > SEWARD, Stokeinteignhead back to Simon c ? 1720 > SHAPLAND, Nth Molton back to John 23 Sep 1705 > SOPER, Moretonhampstead back to Thomas 9 Jul 1604 possibly connected to > Elizabeth CLIFFORD of Ugborough. Proof of this would be great. > TUCKER, Elizabeth ? South Molton c 1665 > WARD, Joan, Exeter c 1647 > WEBBER, Willmot c 1562 > WILLS, William ? Stokeinteignhead c ? 1690 > WILLS ? Tormoham back to George c ? 1705 > YOULDEN/YOULDON, Moretonhampstead back to John c ? 1580 > > Will list the SKINNER spouse names another time;-) > > Madalene Frost > Taihape NZ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hi: Oct 2014 No. of pages added/amended: 374 Major additions: • Devon - Church History: Ecclesiastical Antiquities of Devon (1840 - Volume 2) - index • Barnstaple: Will of John Wickey, Admiral (1833) - transcript • Berry Pomeroy: Will of John Yolland (1826) - transcript • Bovey Tracey: Ecclesiastical Antiquities of Devon 1840 - transcript • Bovey Tracey: Bovey Tracey Church Plate 1902 - transcript • Crediton: Articles from Trewman’s Exeter Flying Post 1881 - 1900 - transcript • Lynton: Will of Charlotte Wickey of Lynmouth (1839) - transcript • Shebbear: Will of William Hockin, Gentleman (1779) - transcript • Topsham: Will of Margaret Knight (1791) - transcript • Topsham: Will of William Townson, Leather Cutter (1810) - transcript Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

In case anyone is connected to this lady Julia HOLLOWAY made oath at the burial of Joan EDMUNDS 22 Oct 1709 at Exminster St Martin. Hoping she belongs to someone. I understand in lots of cases a relative was the one who gave oath, but to date I do not have this name in my data base, so maybe a friend. Regards Bev in Oz

Hi Martin and thank you .......I had no idea so it was a sort of bribe !!!! and the recruiting officer got a good portion too ......how interesting that this was in addition and was presumably held until the end of service maybe and formed part of his pension ? I think I must google 53rd Company Royal Marines and see if he did go to sea .. I am still trying to track down his marriage to Sarah of ?Cloverly? It could have taken place anywhere between N Devon and Kent !!!!! and John Hill is hardly the most unusual name !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Beavis via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [DEV] JOHN HILL & SARAH Hi Elizabeth - A belated reply, with a circuitous Devon twist but, yes, he would certainly have known about the Bounty - that was offered as an incentive for men to sign up for military service, in this case for the Royal Navy or Royal Marines. Just Google ["bounty of three pounds" seaman] to get several results of proclamations and statutes, such as this 1779 call for volunteers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dutillieul/ZOtherPapers/NewB&M17Jul1779.html (search page for Bounty). The bounty was in addition to the volunteer's normal wages. The first 12/6 (old money) was paid up front but it's not clear whether the credit balance was immediately available, or subsequently, or payable on discharge. The statutes also provide for death in service payments to widows which would probably include any outstanding bounty. You don't say where you found details of John Hill's 1821 Royal Marine attestation papers but you probably know they are held at Kew: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10032506?descriptiontype=Full&ref=ADM+157/15/149 Note that he served in the 53rd Company Royal Marines and was discharged as an invalid in 1835, age ca 38, consistent with being a Greenwich [naval] Pensioner in the 1851 census. In the 1841 census John and Sarah have a 12-year-old child, so may have married before 1829. I wonder if/where he saw action. If anyone is interested, or has a Royal Marine ancestor, a transcription of a similar 1829 attestation at Chatham can be viewed at http://www.hakluyt.com/PDF/Campbell_Part3_Appendices.pdf Excuse me for drifting a bit off-topic, but that Marine, William K Cunningham, had a fairly uneventful military career until he became Quartermaster Sergeant on HMS Terror during the 1839-43 Antarctic expeditions of James Clark Ross. The Terror and her sister ship the Erebus were of very sturdy construction, which made them suitable for venturing through pack ice, and sailed together on both Arctic and Antarctic voyages, but they were sailing ships, reliant on wind and seamanship. Both were later converted to steam power and embarked on Franklin's ill-fated search for the North-West Passage, during which both vessels and all their crew were lost - until earlier this year when Canadian archaeologists found one of the wrecks. The expedition is well recorded in official reports but Sergeant Cunningham kept a personal daily diary of that epic adventure, now edited and published online by the Hakluyt Society: http://www.hakluyt.com/PDF/Campbell_Part1_Introduction.pdf http://www.hakluyt.com/PDF/Campbell_Part2_Journal.pdf Thereafter Sergeant Cunningham was discharged as an invalid in 1854, became a Greenwich Pensioner and a Yeoman of the Royal Body Guard, eventually dying of cirrhosis of the liver in 1884. There is, however, a Devon connection. The Terror was built at Topsham in 1813, where her voyages are celebated by a special exhibit in Topsham Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Terror_%281813%29 http://www.devonmuseums.net/New-Displays-in-the-Sail-Loft/Latest-News/4/ as told in Ray Girvan's local blog: http://jsbookreader.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/the-terror-of-topsham-perhaps.html http://jsbookreader.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/the-terror-of-topsham-no.html So someone out there has an Nth-great-grandfather who helped to build the Terror. Martin -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard via Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 5:26 PM To: DEVON Subject: [DEV] JOHN HILL & SARAH Hi, in the 1851 census John Hill , b Haddenham , Bucks and his wife Sarah , 52, are living in Gillingham in Kent.........he is a saddler and Greenwich Pensioner, she is born Devonshire , Clonerly , or Cloverly ? My money is on Clovelly ??? At his Attestation in the Royal Marines , John HIll is paid 2shillings and 6d by Capt Philips who recruited him. He seems to have been paid a further 10shillings on Approval which leaves £2.7s.6d credit per ledger. 10th March 1821 . The Attestation form says " he voluntarily enlisted himself for the Bounty of Three Pounds ." Can someone explain this further .......how would John Hill have known of the Bounty , and would he have this credit to draw on during his service ? 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Hi Elizabeth - A belated reply, with a circuitous Devon twist but, yes, he would certainly have known about the Bounty - that was offered as an incentive for men to sign up for military service, in this case for the Royal Navy or Royal Marines. Just Google ["bounty of three pounds" seaman] to get several results of proclamations and statutes, such as this 1779 call for volunteers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dutillieul/ZOtherPapers/NewB&M17Jul1779.html (search page for Bounty). The bounty was in addition to the volunteer's normal wages. The first 12/6 (old money) was paid up front but it's not clear whether the credit balance was immediately available, or subsequently, or payable on discharge. The statutes also provide for death in service payments to widows which would probably include any outstanding bounty. You don't say where you found details of John Hill's 1821 Royal Marine attestation papers but you probably know they are held at Kew: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10032506?descriptiontype=Full&ref=ADM+157/15/149 Note that he served in the 53rd Company Royal Marines and was discharged as an invalid in 1835, age ca 38, consistent with being a Greenwich [naval] Pensioner in the 1851 census. In the 1841 census John and Sarah have a 12-year-old child, so may have married before 1829. I wonder if/where he saw action. If anyone is interested, or has a Royal Marine ancestor, a transcription of a similar 1829 attestation at Chatham can be viewed at http://www.hakluyt.com/PDF/Campbell_Part3_Appendices.pdf Excuse me for drifting a bit off-topic, but that Marine, William K Cunningham, had a fairly uneventful military career until he became Quartermaster Sergeant on HMS Terror during the 1839-43 Antarctic expeditions of James Clark Ross. The Terror and her sister ship the Erebus were of very sturdy construction, which made them suitable for venturing through pack ice, and sailed together on both Arctic and Antarctic voyages, but they were sailing ships, reliant on wind and seamanship. Both were later converted to steam power and embarked on Franklin's ill-fated search for the North-West Passage, during which both vessels and all their crew were lost - until earlier this year when Canadian archaeologists found one of the wrecks. The expedition is well recorded in official reports but Sergeant Cunningham kept a personal daily diary of that epic adventure, now edited and published online by the Hakluyt Society: http://www.hakluyt.com/PDF/Campbell_Part1_Introduction.pdf http://www.hakluyt.com/PDF/Campbell_Part2_Journal.pdf Thereafter Sergeant Cunningham was discharged as an invalid in 1854, became a Greenwich Pensioner and a Yeoman of the Royal Body Guard, eventually dying of cirrhosis of the liver in 1884. There is, however, a Devon connection. The Terror was built at Topsham in 1813, where her voyages are celebated by a special exhibit in Topsham Museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Terror_%281813%29 http://www.devonmuseums.net/New-Displays-in-the-Sail-Loft/Latest-News/4/ as told in Ray Girvan's local blog: http://jsbookreader.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/the-terror-of-topsham-perhaps.html http://jsbookreader.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/the-terror-of-topsham-no.html So someone out there has an Nth-great-grandfather who helped to build the Terror. Martin -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard via Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 5:26 PM To: DEVON Subject: [DEV] JOHN HILL & SARAH Hi, in the 1851 census John Hill , b Haddenham , Bucks and his wife Sarah , 52, are living in Gillingham in Kent.........he is a saddler and Greenwich Pensioner, she is born Devonshire , Clonerly , or Cloverly ? My money is on Clovelly ??? At his Attestation in the Royal Marines , John HIll is paid 2shillings and 6d by Capt Philips who recruited him. He seems to have been paid a further 10shillings on Approval which leaves £2.7s.6d credit per ledger. 10th March 1821 . The Attestation form says " he voluntarily enlisted himself for the Bounty of Three Pounds ." Can someone explain this further .......how would John Hill have known of the Bounty , and would he have this credit to draw on during his service ? He was a saddler by trade and from Buckinghamshire . ----------------------------------------