Hi: FindMyPast recently bought Origins.net, with whom we had an agreement that they would provide a *free* search facility based on the Devon Wills Project (DWP). For the present this is still available at http://www.origins.net/NationalWills/Search/devon/searchdevonwills.aspx. FindMyPast have now announced the availability of their initial version of a *free* search facility for DWP. Their brief announcement, which can currently be found at: http://blog.findmypast.com/fridays/ states: > Devon Wills Index 1163-1999 › > The Devon Wills Index 1163-1999 contains over 250,000 records proved by 30 courts. Many probate records for the county of Devon and the Diocese of Exeter were lost in 1942, when the Probate Registry was destroyed in the bombing during the Exeter Blitz of WWII. The index reveals where copies, transcripts, abstracts or extracts of original testamentary documents may be found and if they have survived. Each record includes a transcript of the original record that will list the testator’s names, the year of probate, place and any additional notes as well as court details, document form, source and reference code. The search facility itself is at: http://search.findmypast.com/search-world-Records/devon-wills-index-1163-1999?_ga=1.19258552.1436735098.1372010672 Registration is needed to see the full results of any search, but no subscription is needed. We are aware of some issues regarding this initial version of FMP’s search facility and its explanatory pages - hopefully these will be resolved soon. Rest assured that the web-page version of DWP will continue to be available in GENUKI/Devon, at http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonWillsProject/ Let me remind everyone that DWP is the result of a co-operation involving the Devon Family History Society, Devon Heritage Services, GENUKI/Devon, and the Plymouth and West Devon RO, and the dedicated efforts of a large band of volunteers. Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

My ancestor, a Master Mariner, was supposedly still alive when his daughter married in January 1862. What they did not know was that he had died the month before on his ship The George at Bonny Banks, off the coast of Nigeria. He died of blood poisoning. He was buried at sea. There is no record of his death so if your man died at sea there may be no record. In such cases I believe the death has to be reported at the next point of call and by the Captain. As he was the Captain then apparently it was not recorded. If you can follow up on his career starting with details of the Gloria and see where that takes you. Have you checked overseas deaths index? My husband had a good laugh when I found the place of burial as he wondered how I would find his grave........ Marie -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds via Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:05 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com ; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 Afternoon all, I am after the burial place of Nathaniel GILLARD 1823 who married Mary [nee GUNN] at Chivelstone 11 Aug 1853. I seem to have lost Nathaniel who was a Mariner. Wife Mary is a widow in 1881 at Malborough On FMP there is this in the Index Gallard N - 1881 1881 Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Date received 15 Feb 1881 Vessel name Gloria Departure port Tower Hill in the Bay Would these names show up on FreeBMD? I do not seem to be able to find anything to match GILLARD or GALLARD? Would the name GALLARD be a mistake I wonder? Regards Bev in Oz Temp here today 39 deg Celsius , supposed to hotter tomorrow. PS I have lost my printed Character Chart, even though I have a desk top one, I would love a printable one. Has anyone got a URL for it please. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whose will? Many are now on line and freely downloadable. Tell me what you can and I'll see what I can do. For Brian. http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/family-history http://prov.vic.gov.au/provguide-23 Many of these are on line to view the scanned images and free to download and there are others than can only be viewed at the PROV reading room. Over the past few years more and more have been digitised and made available for free. Quite probable there and many Devonians in there. Alan. On 11/11/14 03:28, Terry Leaman via wrote: > Does anyone on the list visit North Melbourne reading room at Public > Record Office Victoria and could look at a 1938 will for me please?. > > Terry > > > North Melbourne reading room at Public Record Office Victoria. - See > more at: > http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/wills-and-probate#sthash.SEuv3WWP.dpuf > North Melbourne reading room at Public Record Office Victoria. - See > more at: > http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/wills-and-probate#sthash.SEuv3WWP.dpuf > North Melbourne reading room at Public Record Office Victoria. - See > more at: > http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/wills-and-probate#sthash.SEuv3WWP.dpuf > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Afternoon all, I am after the burial place of Nathaniel GILLARD 1823 who married Mary [nee GUNN] at Chivelstone 11 Aug 1853. I seem to have lost Nathaniel who was a Mariner. Wife Mary is a widow in 1881 at Malborough On FMP there is this in the Index Gallard N - 1881 1881 Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Date received 15 Feb 1881 Vessel name Gloria Departure port Tower Hill in the Bay Would these names show up on FreeBMD? I do not seem to be able to find anything to match GILLARD or GALLARD? Would the name GALLARD be a mistake I wonder? Regards Bev in Oz Temp here today 39 deg Celsius , supposed to hotter tomorrow. PS I have lost my printed Character Chart, even though I have a desk top one, I would love a printable one. Has anyone got a URL for it please.

David, Have you checked the 1939 registration card "census" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Registration_Act_1939 . The records are held by the National Archives and extracts are expensive and require a Freedom of Information request. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Danial Taylor via Sent: 14 November 2014 10:24 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] How to locate someone who went missing Hello I have a great grand uncle named Alfred George Rudall. He has no known death certificate or burial words. The last information I have of his whereabouts is from a newspaper clipping written by his father William George Rudall in 1927 reporting him missing. He was born in 1884, St Thomas Exeter. His parents lived on Paris Street in Exeter. I believe their house is now an Age Concern Shop. Any help would be marvellous Danial Taylor Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Danial, Does the newspaper clipping indicate that he has recently gone missing, or could he have been missing for a few years? The reason I ask is that there is an entry in the Ellis Island records showing an Alfred Rudall going into the USA in 1922. Info from: < http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger> Best wishes, Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Danial Taylor via Sent: 14 November 2014 10:24 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] How to locate someone who went missing Hello I have a great grand uncle named Alfred George Rudall. He has no known death certificate or burial words. The last information I have of his whereabouts is from a newspaper clipping written by his father William George Rudall in 1927 reporting him missing. He was born in 1884, St Thomas Exeter. His parents lived on Paris Street in Exeter. I believe their house is now an Age Concern Shop. Any help would be marvellous Danial Taylor Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I have a great grand uncle named Alfred George Rudall. He has no known death certificate or burial words. The last information I have of his whereabouts is from a newspaper clipping written by his father William George Rudall in 1927 reporting him missing. He was born in 1884, St Thomas Exeter. His parents lived on Paris Street in Exeter. I believe their house is now an Age Concern Shop. Any help would be marvellous Danial Taylor Sent from my iPhone

Hi Joy: Thanks for posting this - I’ve added a link to the diary from the Kelly page in GENUKIU/Devon, ready for the next upload to the server. Cheers Brian Randell On 13 Nov 2014, at 16:24, Joy Langdon via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Here are several WW1 related websites that may be of interest to someone. > The International Red Cross have made their WW1 Prisoners of War index cards available: > http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/ > The Imperial War Museum are inviting people to add photos and information about their relatives who fought in WW1 to their database: > https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/ > The diaries of Margaret Kelly of Kelly House near Tavistock are being put online day by day 100 years after the entry. > http://kelly-house.co.uk/margarets-ww1-diary-100-years/ > Joy > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brian.randell

Here are several WW1 related websites that may be of interest to someone. The International Red Cross have made their WW1 Prisoners of War index cards available: http://grandeguerre.icrc.org/ The Imperial War Museum are inviting people to add photos and information about their relatives who fought in WW1 to their database: https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/ The diaries of Margaret Kelly of Kelly House near Tavistock are being put online day by day 100 years after the entry. http://kelly-house.co.uk/margarets-ww1-diary-100-years/ Joy

Hi Norman, If you're lucky, the search engine that you use for searching online records may support wild cards. Family Search does, for example. You could then search for F*L, which will find names that start with F, finish with L and have any number of undefined characters in between. I tried it with Richard F*L born Devon between 1650 and 1685 and it gave 48 results, which doesn't take long to scan down. Best wishes, Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of norman full via Sent: 12 November 2014 23:33 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Variations of the surname "Full" Good morning, For some time I have been searching unsuccessfully for the parents & birth of Richard Full who married Susanna crossing at Woodland in 1700 In trawling through FMP recently, I discovered many variations of the spelling & wondered if this may have contributed to my problem. In the parishes near Woodland, the following names appeared: Ashburton- Fawell, Fawl, Feal, Fewell, Foal, Foall, Foll, Fowel, Fowell; Broadhempston- Fall; Staverton- Faul, Foal; Torbryan- Fawell; Woodland - Fall. It seems like an overwhelming job to research these variations to see if they are could be connected . I wonder if anyone could offer any bright ideas. I would be very grateful. Thank you Norman Full ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning, For some time I have been searching unsuccessfully for the parents & birth of Richard Full who married Susanna crossing at Woodland in 1700 In trawling through FMP recently, I discovered many variations of the spelling & wondered if this may have contributed to my problem. In the parishes near Woodland, the following names appeared: Ashburton- Fawell, Fawl, Feal, Fewell, Foal, Foall, Foll, Fowel, Fowell; Broadhempston- Fall; Staverton- Faul, Foal; Torbryan- Fawell; Woodland - Fall. It seems like an overwhelming job to research these variations to see if they are could be connected . I wonder if anyone could offer any bright ideas. I would be very grateful. Thank you Norman Full

Hi Thelma, Believe that they had at least 3 more children. Philip 1813-1887 Henry 1815-1839 Amy 1817- All 3 were baptised in Pilton, Henry is buried in Pilton. Philip's 2nd marriage took place in 1845 in London, Father given as Thomas Challacombe who's occupation is Tanner. (Image on Ancestry). Philip dies in Reigate, Surrey. Lucy Challacombe - buried Pilton, January 15th 1837, Aged 60. (Image on FindMyPast). Tim Treeby DFHS (13926) On 12/11/2014 01:25, Thelma Hartman via wrote: > Hello > > I am hoping that someone might be able to provide some clues or leads to the > following couple. > > Thomas Challacombe born about 1780, location and parents unknown. Some > online family tress indicate that he passed away in 1885 which I am pretty > sure is incorrect. On July 30 1804 he married Lucy Rogers in Heanton > Punchardon (possibly in St. Augustine's). Lucy is recorded in some online > trees as having passed away in 1834 (with no sources). > > Thomas and his wife Lucy would have at least two children: > 1. Lucy Challacombe, baptised on Jan 26 1806 in Bishops Tawton. Some records > indicate that she passed away in 1881 without providing any sources. > 2. Thomas Challacombe, baptised on Apr 19 1807 in Bishops Tawton. > > I can find no possible leads for this couple or their two known children > after 1807. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Sincerely > > Thelma

The Banns Registers have the following: Pilton 15th, 22nd, 29th July 1804 thomas Challacombe of this parish and Louisa Rogers sojourner in the parish of Heanton Puncharden There is a baptism at Pilton 29 Jun 1779 thomas Challacombe son of William and Ann. Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 12/11/2014 - 01:25 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Thomas Challacombe and Lucy Rogers, married 1804 in Heanton Punchardon Hello I am hoping that someone might be able to provide some clues or leads to the following couple. Thomas Challacombe born about 1780, location and parents unknown. Some online family tress indicate that he passed away in 1885 which I am pretty sure is incorrect. On July 30 1804 he married Lucy Rogers in Heanton Punchardon (possibly in St. Augustine's). Lucy is recorded in some online trees as having passed away in 1834 (with no sources). Thomas and his wife Lucy would have at least two children: 1. Lucy Challacombe, baptised on Jan 26 1806 in Bishops Tawton. Some records indicate that she passed away in 1881 without providing any sources. 2. Thomas Challacombe, baptised on Apr 19 1807 in Bishops Tawton. I can find no possible leads for this couple or their two known children after 1807. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Thelma PS I have a fair bit about Lucy's parents and siblings and would be glad to share or compare information. Here is a brief summary: Lucy's parents were John Rogers (1743 - 1810) son of George Rogers and Mary Le) and Ann Hutchings (1745 - 1805) daughter of Thomas Hutchings and unknown. Lucy's siblings were: 1. Mary Ann Rogers (1778 - 1867), wife of John Chugg. 2. Elizabeth Rogers (1784 - 1859), no information or sources for her death and any possible marriage. 3. Ann Rogers (1788 - 1871), wife of Thomas Tucker. 4. Philip Rogers (1791 - 1845, husband of Jane Manley. His wife and children would immigrate to Canada after his death. 5. John Rogers (1795 - 1871), husband of Elizabeth Jordan. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thelma, Both Familysearch and Findmypast have Thomas Challacombes and variants born in the parishes neighbouring  Heanton Punchardon in the late 1700's including one born in Pilton in 1779.I could not find any census records that matched but Lucy there was a death in Pilton in 1837. I suggest you start by working your way through the Familysearch and Findmypast references by a process of elimination. Online trees should be treated with with suspicion and should be independantly verified. This is a regular topic on most forums. The Thomas of 1885 may be any of the 20+ Thomases born in the 19th century in Devon. Cheers Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Thelma Hartman via <devon@rootsweb.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2014, 1:25 Subject: [DEV] Thomas Challacombe and Lucy Rogers, married 1804 in Heanton Punchardon Hello I am hoping that someone might be able to provide some clues or leads to the following couple. Thomas Challacombe born about 1780, location and parents unknown. Some online family tress indicate that he passed away in 1885 which I am pretty sure is incorrect. On July 30 1804 he married Lucy Rogers in Heanton Punchardon (possibly in St. Augustine's). Lucy is recorded in some online trees as having passed away in 1834 (with no sources). Thomas and his wife Lucy would have at least two children: 1. Lucy Challacombe, baptised on Jan 26 1806 in Bishops Tawton. Some records indicate that she passed away in 1881 without providing any sources. 2. Thomas Challacombe, baptised on Apr 19 1807 in Bishops Tawton. I can find no possible leads for this couple or their two known children after 1807. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Thelma PS I have a fair bit about Lucy's parents and siblings and would be glad to share or compare information. Here is a brief summary: Lucy's parents were John Rogers (1743 - 1810) son of George Rogers and Mary Le) and Ann Hutchings (1745 - 1805) daughter of Thomas Hutchings and unknown. Lucy's siblings were: 1. Mary Ann Rogers (1778 - 1867), wife of John Chugg. 2. Elizabeth Rogers (1784 - 1859), no information or sources for her death and any possible marriage. 3. Ann Rogers (1788 - 1871), wife of Thomas Tucker. 4. Philip Rogers (1791 - 1845, husband of Jane Manley. His wife and children would immigrate to Canada after his death. 5. John Rogers (1795 - 1871), husband of Elizabeth Jordan. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, There is a William ELLIS from Tiverton, who enlisted at Exeter to the Devonshire regiment, service number 11047, he died 23/04/1917. Could he be a possible? Im struggling to find out any background on him... http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1541399/ELLIS,%20WILLIAM Good luck Stuart

Hello I am hoping that someone might be able to provide some clues or leads to the following couple. Thomas Challacombe born about 1780, location and parents unknown. Some online family tress indicate that he passed away in 1885 which I am pretty sure is incorrect. On July 30 1804 he married Lucy Rogers in Heanton Punchardon (possibly in St. Augustine's). Lucy is recorded in some online trees as having passed away in 1834 (with no sources). Thomas and his wife Lucy would have at least two children: 1. Lucy Challacombe, baptised on Jan 26 1806 in Bishops Tawton. Some records indicate that she passed away in 1881 without providing any sources. 2. Thomas Challacombe, baptised on Apr 19 1807 in Bishops Tawton. I can find no possible leads for this couple or their two known children after 1807. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Thelma PS I have a fair bit about Lucy's parents and siblings and would be glad to share or compare information. Here is a brief summary: Lucy's parents were John Rogers (1743 - 1810) son of George Rogers and Mary Le) and Ann Hutchings (1745 - 1805) daughter of Thomas Hutchings and unknown. Lucy's siblings were: 1. Mary Ann Rogers (1778 - 1867), wife of John Chugg. 2. Elizabeth Rogers (1784 - 1859), no information or sources for her death and any possible marriage. 3. Ann Rogers (1788 - 1871), wife of Thomas Tucker. 4. Philip Rogers (1791 - 1845, husband of Jane Manley. His wife and children would immigrate to Canada after his death. 5. John Rogers (1795 - 1871), husband of Elizabeth Jordan.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:31:07 -0500 "David L. Langenberg via" <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello David, >Clovelly as "Clo-VEL-ly," with the accent on the second syllable. Is >that correct? Or is it "CLO-vel-ly," with the accent on the first >syllable, or even some other pronunciation, such as perhaps >"CLOVE-ly"? I, and everyone I know in this area (I live in North Devon), say Clo-VEL-ly. Emphasis on the middle syllable. IOW, your first option. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Gary don't need his eyes to see. Gary and his eyes have parted company Gary Gilmore's Eyes - The Adverts

If you do not get an answer from someone in Melbourne or close by, please let me know as I have a relation in that city who might have time to take a look. Josephine On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Terry Leaman via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Does anyone on the list visit North Melbourne reading room at Public > Record Office Victoria and could look at a 1938 will for me please?. > > Terry > > > North Melbourne reading room at Public Record Office Victoria. - See > more at: > http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/wills-and-probate#sthash.SEuv3WWP.dpuf > North Melbourne reading room at Public Record Office Victoria. - See > more at: > http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/wills-and-probate#sthash.SEuv3WWP.dpuf > North Melbourne reading room at Public Record Office Victoria. - See > more at: > http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/wills-and-probate#sthash.SEuv3WWP.dpuf > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Martin and also Joy [though I have thanked Joy direst] for the input you both have given me. I have spent the last few days sorting and collating all I have found and think the most likely parents of Matthew Liddon [husband of Ann Warden] is Matthew Liddon and Deborah Bunter who married in 1748. Their son Matthew was bap. 1763 in Axminster [familysearch] and I have the names of all their other children. I now have to find absolute proof! I have sent away to the Dorset Record Office for Matthew Liddon's will which was proved in 1803. Hopefully this will be for the husband of Ann Warden and will give his profession. His marriage which was in the Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette of 27 Aug 1789 and stated "Lately was married, at Axminster, Matthew Liddon, Esq., of Weycroft House to Miss Ann Warden, youngest daughter of James Warden esq., of Charmouth". Makes me think he may not have been in the Navy at all. If this is the correct Matthew then he would be the cousin of the Matthew Liddon [1792-1869] of Northwest Passage fame, as another son of Matthew and Deborah was John Bunter Liddon father of said Matthew. Hope this makes sense. Another problem I have is Ann Warden's older sister Hannah Parks Warden married a Liddon as well [?cousin ?brother to Matthew] - William Liddon [c1765-1831]. I haven't verified his parents either or his birth date. They married 1791 at Axminster. He died 19 March 1831 at Kilmington and buried there aged 66. [Source - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette and Devon burials on fmp]. I know this is the right William as when his wife died in Exeter in 1849 at the age of 86 she was reported in the Gentleman's Magazine as being the relict of W. Liddon, Esq., of Kilmington Cottage. His parents could be Matthew and Sarah Liddon [?maiden name] Married 14 Dec 1764 Axminster. William Liddon Bap. 11 Jan 1765 Axminster Siblings - Ann 18 Dec 1766 Elizabeth bap 5 Mar 1773 Sarah 3 May 1771 Ann 28 April 1775 Re the Warden/Liddon webpage - I have seen this and must agree it is so interesting and informative. Matthew Liddon and Ann Warden are my fourth great grandparents and their daughter Ann Warden Liddon and her husband Sir Richard Spencer my third great grandparents. The original paintings of Sir Richard and his wife are at the Old Farm down at Albany in Western Australia which I have been to a number of times. And having mentioned the Warden/Liddon page here lies another problem [and maybe this should be directed to the Dorset list] - Ann Warden and Hannah Parks Warden's mother on many trees is given as Elizabeth Newell Puddicombe [1751-1798] but I don't think this is correct. She was James Warden's second wife and they married in 1779. She had been married firstly to James Crowcher in 1770 in Lyme Regis. He died in 1778 and I don't think there were any children. Ann, Hannah Parks and their brother William Weekes Wharton Warden were all born between 1763 and 1766 when Elizabeth Newell Puddicombe would have been between 12 and 15 years of age!! The baptismal records of Ann and Hannah state they are the daughters of James and Betty Warden and they were baptised at Wyke Regis, Dorset. I haven't found a bap. record for William as yet. Interestingly there is a burial record for Elizabeth wife of James Warden in Wyke Regis in June 1773. Who she was I don't know. And this is where the mistake has been made with both their Christian names being Elizabeth. Originally what roused my curiosity about the real mother of the Warden children was Elizabeth Newell Warden's will written in March 1778 in Axminster and the way she mentioned the bequests eg. "I give and bequeath to Hannah Parks Liddon wife of William Liddon of Axminster gentleman my large India Bureau and Cabinet now at Langmoor.............that belonged to her mother"; "also I give and bequeath to William Weekes Wharton Warden all the clothes that were his late father's................." and "I give and bequeath to Ann Liddon wife of Matthew Liddon of Axminster gentleman a pair of Bracelets the one containing her late father's picture and the other his hair a set of Tea China that belonged to her mother...........". It didn't sound like she was talking about her own children. Martin you mentioned putting transcriptions of wills on Genuki - very happy to do so. I have transcribed the above and also James Warden's will. How do I go about it? I have just remembered a few years ago I sent an article to Genuki Devon I wrote about my gx2 grandmother Grace Cockburn-Campbell [nee Spence] and her connection to Devon which you may be interested in reading. They connect to the Warden/Liddon family by a grand-daughter of Ann Warden Liddon marrying a son of Grace and her husband Alexander Cockburn-Campbell, Thomas Cockburn-Campbell who was born in Exeter in 1845. I think I had better close and I thank you both very much for your help. Regards, Julia -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:36:10 -0000 From: "Martin Beavis" <beavis.history@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] To: <joy.langdon@btinternet.com>, <devon@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <42A763B17DA74A37AFBB530AAA3907C4@Martin2011> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Julia - Your post aroused my curiosity because in my youth I used to bike-ride in those parts and go fishing just upstream from Weycroft Mill and Manor. Nowadays those properties are a Christian centre, wedding venue and holiday cottages (http://www.task-centre.org.uk/index.php). Going back in time, the Warden/Liddon webpage that Joy found gives plenty of fascinating detail about the marriage of Matthew Liddon and Ann Warden and their children but nothing about Matthew himself except that he was allegedly a Captain from Furzeleigh, Axminster. Captain of what? Does the marriage announcement use that title (as one might expect) or just plain Mr? I expect you have found loads by searching Google for [Liddon Axminster] but the most relevant hits include: Life and Letters of Henry Parry Liddon, the Canon of St Pauls, son of Matthew's naval nephew (?) https://archive.org/details/a610773000johnuoft See pages 1 & 2: "In the early part of the eighteenth century a branch of the Liddon family migrated from Delford [Dulford], near Broadhembury, to Axminster; and there Matthew Liddon [RN, North West Passage] was born in 1791." It sounds like your Liddon were property-owning gentry, but there was, however, already a Liddon family in Axminster, so you might need to distinguish between them, or work out how they might have been related: http://genforum.genealogy.com/lyddon/messages/38.html - pedigree of Liddon family of Axminster Other Google results include: http://www.foda.org.uk/oaths/QS17/2/2/18.htm - 1723, some Liddon were illiterate http://www.foda.org.uk/freeholders/QS7/28/axminster.htm - 1751 Liddon = yeoman, tanner, soapboiler http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Axminster/AxminsterresidentsintheGreatUn iversalDirectoryof1794.htm - 1794, search for several Liddon = tanner, farmer, mantua maker (mantua = loose women's gown, as in loose gown, not loose women) http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rPUGAAAAQAAJ - "Furslegh, consisting of about seventy-four acres, was sold in fee, in 1809, to the tenant Mr. Amos Liddon, a surgeon of Axminster" http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13990472 - Liddon, family of Axminster, 1660-1876: deeds, wills and papers (but don't get too excited - no details online) FMP is free this weekend - so Search Records --> dropdown --> Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records search for Last name = Liddon inc name variants, Optional keyword = Axminster, everything else blank --> results from 1681 onwards with several marriages within your timeframe, including some Liddon of Axminster who married elsewhere, but no early baptisms or burials. FMP also has Liddon BMDs in Broadhembury before 1700. Ancestry has facsimile images of several PCC wills that might reveal family relationships: Samuel Liddon, Clothier proved 21 Jun 1742 Axminster, Devon, England Jonathan Liddon 17 Jan 1748 Chard, Somerset, England Amos Liddon, Gent 14 Aug 1782 Axminster, Devon, England William Liddon, Gent 16 Jan 1796 Axminster, Devon, England Grace Lyddon 2 Jan 1772 Chardstock, Dorset, England but the handwriting will be hard to read. If you can manage any transcriptions (either full or abstracted), then it would be nice to put them on Genuki Axminster. Turning to less reliable options, Ancestry has about 25 public trees for the Liddon family of Axminster and Charmouth. Beginning with the Nixon tree, which promises most sources, and then following the Bunter name to the Ledden tree (not the born in the USA Ledden Family Tree!) and the Shelden tree, we derive a possible relationship, that: Amos Liddon (b 1709) was father of Matthew Liddon/Lyddon (b 1727 or 1733) who married Deborah Bunter (b 1730). Their children included (1) John Bunter Liddon (1753-1811) who married Mary Hill (1753-1799), whose children included the Matthew Liddon (b 1792) who became the naval officer on the North West Passage expedition, and (2) the Matthew Liddon (1763-1803) who married Ann Warden (1770-1849). That is a superficial composite - but does seem consistent with the marriage and baptism that Joy reported. And finally, for a few thousand GBP you can buy Liddon family heirlooms: http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/LotDetailsPrintable.aspx?intObjectID=2945 505 http://www.rldavids.force9.co.uk/northwest.htm Good hunting! Martin -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 12:00 PM To: Julia Crawley ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] There is a baptism at Axminster 27 Dec 1763, Matthew LIDDON son of Matthew and Deborah: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Q3-GJ7 You can find other baptisms of Matthew and Deborah's children on Familysearch which may provide the link to the nephew you mention. There is a marriage 13 Jun 1748 Upper Cerne, Dorset Matthew Lyddon and Deborah Bunter The Axminster Liddons did have Dorset connections. There is a Sun Fire Office insurance document on National Archives: "Insured Deborah Liddon, Cundlewake, Caundle bishops Dorset, widow. Other property or occupiers: Axminster, Devon (John Bunter Liddon, farmer)" This website says the Liddons were farmers and clothiers: http://www.freshford.com/warden.htm There are several references on the National Archives to Matthew Liddon, Axminster which may refer to his father: A bastardy bond dated 1759 refers to Matthew Liddon of Axminster, chandler. A Deed of Poll dated 1762 and various other documents refer to Matthew Liddon, Axminster, Tanner. (Search the National Archives Discovery for "Liddon Axminster"). Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 03/11/2014 - 10:41 (GMTST) To : DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] Hello list, I am trying to find out more about Matthew Liddon born around 1770 and died about 1802. I don't know where he was born or where he died or who his parents were. He may have been in the Navy. In 1789 in Axminster he married Ann Warden daughter of James Warden of Charmouth and his wife Elizabeth. There was mention of this marriage in one of the newspapers of the time which stated Matthew was of Weycroft House. They had six children - James Warden, Elizabeth, Sophia Jackson, Ann Warden, Lucy and Matthew John. I believe he had a nephew also called Matthew Liddon who accompanied Captain William Parry of Northwest Passage fame and the father of Henry Parry Liddon, Canon of St Paul's. Hoping someone can help. Regards, Julia

Thanks so much! David On Nov 11, 2014, at 10:31 AM, David L. Langenberg via wrote: > All, > > Perhaps someone from Devon can answer my query definitively. I have been working extensively recently with the Bratton Clovelly parish registers on FindMyPast. I have been pronouncing Clovelly as "Clo-VEL-ly," with the accent on the second syllable. Is that correct? Or is it "CLO-vel-ly," with the accent on the first syllable, or even some other pronunciation, such as perhaps "CLOVE-ly"? I checked with one of the maintainers of the wonderful Bratton Clovelly One-Place Study website (http://brattonclovellyops.com/wp/) and she informs me "I believe that the pronunciation is your first option, Clo-VEL-ly. I'm sure I asked the residents at some point!" I'd really like a second opinion. Thanks in advance. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message