In the 17th century the usual term for a woman who has lost her husband was 'relict', so possibly the term 'widow' originally applied to men, but was later adopted by women. Angela in Exmouth ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 18/11/2014 - 23:12 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Widow = Widower I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast and in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who have died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any evidence that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else encountered this in Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a part of the parish clerk's idiolect? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------

Just be aware that it could refer to the widow of just for instance say Richard Craunch whose name is not known, in a shortened entry. It sounds improbable, but it could, and can happen. I've said before the author of the entry is the only one who knows exactly what he meant. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kathryn Barnett via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:43 AM To: "'David L. Langenberg'" <gallienus@mac.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Widow = Widower > Hello David, > > Yes, I can report seeing instances in Devon PRs where a male is referred > to > as a 'widow' or 'widdow'. > > I found one on the weekend in the South Huish records in 1614 - "Richard > Craunch, widow". > > Regards > > Kathryn > > Adelaide > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of David L. Langenberg via > Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2014 9:43 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Widow = Widower > > I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast > and > in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who > have > died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I just > checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any evidence > that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else encountered this in > Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a > part of the parish clerk's idiolect? > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Word Origin and History for widower noun, mid-14c extended from widow. The Old English masc. form was widewa. Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper ~~ Edna - Ottawer

It could be any reason, local dialect to spelling being shortened. As we are aware it's down to who the author was in that time. Not many people could write over 300 years ago. We have to be thankful to those that could despite any errors, and spelling mistakes. Since there was not a dictionary available to most people. -------------------------------------------------- From: "David L. Langenberg via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:12 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Widow = Widower > I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast > and in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who > have died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I > just checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any > evidence that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else > encountered this in Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of > "widower"? Or else a part of the parish clerk's idiolect? > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

It could be a short-form when a considerable amount of writing has to be done. Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: David L. Langenberg via Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:12 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Widow = Widower I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast and in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who have died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any evidence that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else encountered this in Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a part of the parish clerk's idiolect? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA

I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast and in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who have died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any evidence that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else encountered this in Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a part of the parish clerk's idiolect? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA

Hello Tom, I have a John EDMONDS of Churston Ferrers in Devon who married at St Mabyn in 1684 to Margery LUGGER. So I suspect that it would not be unreasonable to think that your Thomas MITCHELL could have married a lass from either Brixton or Stoke Fleming. What strikes me as odd about the two marriages you mentioned is that the Vicar has not recorded that Thomas was from " St Agnes " . In 1745 in Brixton the Vicar has written that a wife of Richard SHINTON ?? [hard to read] Jane .......? is from the Parish of Plymouth, so this Vicar is recording such matters. But he does not record this against the marriage of Thomas MITCHEL [very hard to read her name on my fiche anyway] in 1745. There are children baptized [Susanna 1748 & Elizabeth 1751] to Thomas MITCHIL [sic][ MITCHEL] and Susanna at Brixton. A Susanna MITCHELL was buried at Brixton 10 May 1754. If the above was wife Susanna, then I did not find a re-marriage for Thomas after 1754 in Brixton. I also did not find him buried there, although the only other MITCHELL buried was a Philippa in 1783. Mind you I could have missed him, not all entries are clear. May I suggest that you try to get hold of the Exeter Marriage Licence Films through LDS and check to see if he married by Licence. I have looked through my transcriptions, but I may have missed him when I tried to extract all that I could from the South Hams area at the time. I hope the above helps. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Liz & Tom Thompson via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:17 AM To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Thomas Mitchell of St Agnes, Cornwall > Hello, > > Earlier this year St Agnes Museum bought a tiny book on the Life and > Experience of Thomas Mitchell of St Agnes. It describes his experiences > in > the marines during the Spanish War in 1740 and the War with France in > 1744. > It was published in 1803, when he was 86. I have transcribed the book > for > the benefit of our Members, but I am now trying to research his BMD > details. > > I have found his baptism and burial details in the St Agnes Parish > records, > but am struggling with his marriage since he got married in or around > Plymouth. > > He was baptised in St Agnes in March 1717, but left home aged 22, so > possibly in 1739/40. He says that he was in America in about March 1743, > when he learned that war had been declared on France. He then returned to > England (journey time?) and was sent to sea again fighting the French, > returning injured to Plymouth where he spent 3 months in hospital. On > recovery he "entered into the marriage state", and was soon sent off to > Portsmouth. From there he sailed for the West Indies, calling at Plymouth > en route, and where he left his wife with her parents. I guess that he > continued to the West Indies, and on hearing that peace had been declared > (when was that?), sailed home again, i.e. a double crossing of the > Atlantic. > At Plymouth he "found his wife and child with her father, her mother > having > died". So he must have been away at least 9 months. He then returned to > St > Agnes having been away for eight years and ten months, i.e. he got home in > 1748/49. > > Now, returning to my search, on Familysearch I have found a possible > marriage to a Susanna Tregelly in Brixton (just east of Plymouth) on 24 > December 1747 which would fit the above timetable. Taking advantage of > the > free weekend on FMP, I also found a Sarah Board of Stoke Fleming for 24 > May > 1749, which might just fit. But I wonder if that is too far from Plymouth, > given the roads and transport of the time. I also wonder how they might > have met, given the distance. > > Does anyone have access to any Devon records that might throw up any other > possibilities? If I could confirm the marriage maybe I could find her > parents which might lead me to his daughter's name. The book indicates > that > she was aged 50+ in 1803, giving a possible birthdate of 1748/50, which > might also tie in. > > In the St Agnes Parish records I have found a Thomas Mitchell burial in > September 1808 which would tie in with the book. However, I can't find a > burial for a Susanna Mitchell in St Agnes, although there is one for a > Nancy > Mitchell which would also tie in. So, would Nancy be a diminutive form of > Susanna? Nor can I find a burial for a Sarah Mitchell. > > It has been suggested that perhaps his wife died and he remarried. > However, > he became very religious so I think he would have mentioned such a > traumatic > event in his life story. Another possibility is that his wife may have > returned to the Plymouth area on her husband's death, but she must have > been > aged about 75 or 80 if she did. > > I'm sorry if I've bored you all to death, but if anyone can help me tie up > these loose ends, I'd be very grateful. > > Tom Thompson, > St Agnes. > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Daniel, The Germansweek registers are now on Find my Past http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2014/explore-375-years-of-new-devon-parish-records/ There are lots of Avery burials shown. I also have Averys in my family tree. I am stuck on George Avery who was married to Mary Kemp in Iddesleigh in 1807. Regards Ruth On 18 Nov 2014, at 09:02, Danial Taylor via wrote: > Hello All > I have tried desperately to obtain the Burial records for the Church of St German, Germansweek to no avail. I need to know that my ancestors are buried there! I know my grandfather is buried there, Harold Avery 1911-1999 and I have been told there are other Avery's in the Churchyard. I have evidence from a 1908 Newspaper article that my 2x Great Grandfather is buried there. > I have contacted the current Churchwarden and she is unable or unwilling to help me. I have even contacted the Church of England website, but their support team were quite rude. I told them both I'd pay for the information! > Can anyone help? I'm not local to Devon as my mother left when she was a teenager. > I'm happy to provide you with any information I have. > Regards > Danial Taylor > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Danial, Registers held for Germansweek in the Devon Heritage Centre are: GERMANSWEEK baptisms 1652-1892, marriages 1654-1837, burials 1654-1992. <http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/councildemocracy/record_office/information_ab out_devon_heritage_services/parish_register_list/dpr_g.htm> Devon Family History Society also has fiche copies of registers and provide a research service at Tree House - see <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/treehouse.htm> Scroll down the page for details under UNABLE TO VISIT DEVON? Use our Tree House Research Service Regards, Maureen Devon FHS 4019 On 18/11/2014 09:02, Danial Taylor via wrote: > Hello All > I have tried desperately to obtain the Burial records for the Church of St German, Germansweek to no avail. I need to know that my ancestors are buried there! I know my grandfather is buried there, Harold Avery 1911-1999 and I have been told there are other Avery's in the Churchyard. I have evidence from a 1908 Newspaper article that my 2x Great Grandfather is buried there. > I have contacted the current Churchwarden and she is unable or unwilling to help me. I have even contacted the Church of England website, but their support team were quite rude. I told them both I'd pay for the information! > Can anyone help? I'm not local to Devon as my mother left when she was a teenager. > I'm happy to provide you with any information I have. > Regards > Danial Taylor

Hello All I have tried desperately to obtain the Burial records for the Church of St German, Germansweek to no avail. I need to know that my ancestors are buried there! I know my grandfather is buried there, Harold Avery 1911-1999 and I have been told there are other Avery's in the Churchyard. I have evidence from a 1908 Newspaper article that my 2x Great Grandfather is buried there. I have contacted the current Churchwarden and she is unable or unwilling to help me. I have even contacted the Church of England website, but their support team were quite rude. I told them both I'd pay for the information! Can anyone help? I'm not local to Devon as my mother left when she was a teenager. I'm happy to provide you with any information I have. Regards Danial Taylor

Dear Listers,, Could anyone please help I believe My Aunty Daisy May died in Devon (Ilfracombe) some time in the early 1960's, I would like to know more of her Family. Last information I have on her was she was Living in Liverpool 8, The Family consisted of Lewis Price Roberts ??? Daisy May Roberts formally Fitzpatrick b Everton Liverpool 1917 Daughter: Patricia Roberts b 1946 Liverpool 8. Daughter: Elizabeth Roberts b 1948 Liverpool 8. I have Birth Certificates on all three females. Could anyone please help. Daisy May was my Fathers Twin Sister, I never recall ever seeing or meeting Lewis, Patricia or Elizabeth as my family immigrated to Australia in 1952. I am the Family Historian and now the oldest Fitzpatrick of this Family. Ron Fitzpatrick

Hi Can you find Samuel Gale who according to his merchant seaman's record was born on 21 Jun 1823 or 27 Jun 1824 in Exeter. In 1839 he is an apprentice on the Jane & Barbara, Bristol. He marries in Bristol in 1851 giving his father as John Gale a farmer. He dies at sea in 1859 and is at sea for the 1841 and 1851 censuses. In the past the baptism of Sandy Gale was suggested but now the record are online he dies age 1. Mike Fisher in Droitwich

Hello, Earlier this year St Agnes Museum bought a tiny book on the Life and Experience of Thomas Mitchell of St Agnes. It describes his experiences in the marines during the Spanish War in 1740 and the War with France in 1744. It was published in 1803, when he was 86. I have transcribed the book for the benefit of our Members, but I am now trying to research his BMD details. I have found his baptism and burial details in the St Agnes Parish records, but am struggling with his marriage since he got married in or around Plymouth. He was baptised in St Agnes in March 1717, but left home aged 22, so possibly in 1739/40. He says that he was in America in about March 1743, when he learned that war had been declared on France. He then returned to England (journey time?) and was sent to sea again fighting the French, returning injured to Plymouth where he spent 3 months in hospital. On recovery he "entered into the marriage state", and was soon sent off to Portsmouth. From there he sailed for the West Indies, calling at Plymouth en route, and where he left his wife with her parents. I guess that he continued to the West Indies, and on hearing that peace had been declared (when was that?), sailed home again, i.e. a double crossing of the Atlantic. At Plymouth he "found his wife and child with her father, her mother having died". So he must have been away at least 9 months. He then returned to St Agnes having been away for eight years and ten months, i.e. he got home in 1748/49. Now, returning to my search, on Familysearch I have found a possible marriage to a Susanna Tregelly in Brixton (just east of Plymouth) on 24 December 1747 which would fit the above timetable. Taking advantage of the free weekend on FMP, I also found a Sarah Board of Stoke Fleming for 24 May 1749, which might just fit. But I wonder if that is too far from Plymouth, given the roads and transport of the time. I also wonder how they might have met, given the distance. Does anyone have access to any Devon records that might throw up any other possibilities? If I could confirm the marriage maybe I could find her parents which might lead me to his daughter's name. The book indicates that she was aged 50+ in 1803, giving a possible birthdate of 1748/50, which might also tie in. In the St Agnes Parish records I have found a Thomas Mitchell burial in September 1808 which would tie in with the book. However, I can't find a burial for a Susanna Mitchell in St Agnes, although there is one for a Nancy Mitchell which would also tie in. So, would Nancy be a diminutive form of Susanna? Nor can I find a burial for a Sarah Mitchell. It has been suggested that perhaps his wife died and he remarried. However, he became very religious so I think he would have mentioned such a traumatic event in his life story. Another possibility is that his wife may have returned to the Plymouth area on her husband's death, but she must have been aged about 75 or 80 if she did. I'm sorry if I've bored you all to death, but if anyone can help me tie up these loose ends, I'd be very grateful. Tom Thompson, St Agnes.

Hi Ron, There is a death entry for a Daisy M ROBERTS transcribed on the FreeBMD index which looks promising. Deaths Sep 1964 Barnstaple Reg. Dist. Volume 7A Page 270 ROBERTS DAISY M aged 47 Barnstaple included Ilfracombe until 1998. It may be worth getting that death certificate as it will provide information on who registered the death which with any luck will be one of the 2 daughters. There is also this entry which may be your Lewis Price ROBERTS, note the different spelling of the first forename. Deaths Mar 1971 Devon Central Volume 7a Page 1030 ROBERTS Lewes Price born 21 May 1903 If he is the right one, then again the death certificate may provide more information on his daughters if they registered the death. Best regards. Mike Rendle Salisbury, UK DFHS 21563 On 17/11/2014 10:26, "Ron Fitzpatrick via" <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: >I believe My Aunty Daisy May died in Devon (Ilfracombe) some time in the >early 1960's, I would like to know more of her Family. > > > >Last information I have on her was she was Living in Liverpool 8, > > > >The Family consisted of > >Lewis Price Roberts ??? > >Daisy May Roberts formally Fitzpatrick b Everton Liverpool 1917 > >Daughter: Patricia Roberts b 1946 Liverpool 8. > >Daughter: Elizabeth Roberts b 1948 Liverpool 8.

Hi Bev FMP has GILLARD NATHANIEL born 1804 buried 1872 England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Kingsbridge, Devon, England GILLARD NATHANIEL born 1832 buried 1876 England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Kingsbridge, Devon, England (also on FreeBMD) and loads of other Nathaniel GILLARD BMDs in that area going back to 1651. Ancestry has over 20 UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 records for Gillard/Jillard in that same area, albeit none for Nathaniel. Most existing Masters applied for automatic certification when new regulations were introduced about 1850 but your Nathaniel might have retired from active seagoing by then. Are either of these deaths that of your Nathaniel, or perhaps father and son? They would have been about 49 and 21 if they married Mary Gunn in 1853. 49 is old enough for a second marriage. 21 is too young to be a Master Mariner if so identified at time of marriage. Regards - Martin -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds via Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 7:39 PM To: elizabeth howard ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 Hi Elizabeth Thanks, I have all that indo, I have since found out that the N. GALLARD was in fact Nicholas GALLARD of the " Gloria ". I have still to track Nathaniel GILLARD, being a mariner I assume he was lost at sea somewhere but his death not found as yet. I will eventually find him. I have no hope at getting at LLoyd's of London. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:38 PM To: "Marie McCulloch" <tegmac@iinet.net.au>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 > Hi Bev , there is a Thomas Edmonds app to Nathaniel Gillard > of Stokenham in 1804 . > However I do think that if the ship itself was lost in its > entirety , then there would have been a Board of Trade enquiry . Ships > were > capital assets and insured , the cargo similarly , and Lloyds of London > would have had a record of what happened . If it is just a man died, > Capt or otherwise, that would have been recorded in the log book and on > the > ship`s muster roll. > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie McCulloch via" <devon@rootsweb.com> > To: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au>; <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; > <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 > > >> My ancestor, a Master Mariner, was supposedly still alive when his >> daughter >> married in January >> 1862. What they did not know was that he had died the month before on his >> ship The George >> at Bonny Banks, off the coast of Nigeria. He died of blood poisoning. He >> was >> buried at sea. >> There is no record of his death so if your man died at sea there may be >> no >> record. In such >> cases I believe the death has to be reported at the next point of call >> and >> by the Captain. >> As he was the Captain then apparently it was not recorded. >> If you can follow up on his career starting with details of the Gloria >> and >> see where that takes you. >> Have you checked overseas deaths index? >> My husband had a good laugh when I found the place of burial as he >> wondered >> how I would find >> his grave........ >> >> Marie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: B. Edmonds via >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:05 PM >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com ; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 >> >> Afternoon all, >> >> I am after the burial place of Nathaniel GILLARD 1823 who married Mary >> [nee >> GUNN] at Chivelstone 11 Aug 1853. >> >> I seem to have lost Nathaniel who was a Mariner. Wife Mary is a widow in >> 1881 at Malborough >> >> On FMP there is this in the Index >> >> Gallard N - 1881 1881 Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 >> Date received 15 Feb 1881 >> Vessel name Gloria >> Departure port Tower Hill in the Bay >> >> Would these names show up on FreeBMD? I do not seem to be able to find >> anything to match GILLARD or GALLARD? Would the name GALLARD be a mistake >> I >> wonder? >> >> Regards >> Bev in Oz >> >> Temp here today 39 deg Celsius , supposed to hotter tomorrow. >> >> PS >> I have lost my printed Character Chart, even though I have a desk top >> one, >> I >> would love a printable one. Has anyone got a URL for it please. >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found this whilst doing a look-up. Not my family. April 14th 1665 were married in the church of Diptford George the sonne of William ARNELL of Hatherleigh and Fflorence the daughter of Richard BEARE of Court. Hope he belongs to someone. Bev

Hi Elizabeth Thanks, I have all that indo, I have since found out that the N. GALLARD was in fact Nicholas GALLARD of the " Gloria ". I have still to track Nathaniel GILLARD, being a mariner I assume he was lost at sea somewhere but his death not found as yet. I will eventually find him. I have no hope at getting at LLoyd's of London. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 9:38 PM To: "Marie McCulloch" <tegmac@iinet.net.au>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 > Hi Bev , there is a Thomas Edmonds app to Nathaniel Gillard > of Stokenham in 1804 . > However I do think that if the ship itself was lost in its > entirety , then there would have been a Board of Trade enquiry . Ships > were > capital assets and insured , the cargo similarly , and Lloyds of London > would have had a record of what happened . If it is just a man died, > Capt or otherwise, that would have been recorded in the log book and on > the > ship`s muster roll. > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie McCulloch via" <devon@rootsweb.com> > To: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au>; <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; > <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 > > >> My ancestor, a Master Mariner, was supposedly still alive when his >> daughter >> married in January >> 1862. What they did not know was that he had died the month before on his >> ship The George >> at Bonny Banks, off the coast of Nigeria. He died of blood poisoning. He >> was >> buried at sea. >> There is no record of his death so if your man died at sea there may be >> no >> record. In such >> cases I believe the death has to be reported at the next point of call >> and >> by the Captain. >> As he was the Captain then apparently it was not recorded. >> If you can follow up on his career starting with details of the Gloria >> and >> see where that takes you. >> Have you checked overseas deaths index? >> My husband had a good laugh when I found the place of burial as he >> wondered >> how I would find >> his grave........ >> >> Marie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: B. Edmonds via >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:05 PM >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com ; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 >> >> Afternoon all, >> >> I am after the burial place of Nathaniel GILLARD 1823 who married Mary >> [nee >> GUNN] at Chivelstone 11 Aug 1853. >> >> I seem to have lost Nathaniel who was a Mariner. Wife Mary is a widow in >> 1881 at Malborough >> >> On FMP there is this in the Index >> >> Gallard N - 1881 1881 Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 >> Date received 15 Feb 1881 >> Vessel name Gloria >> Departure port Tower Hill in the Bay >> >> Would these names show up on FreeBMD? I do not seem to be able to find >> anything to match GILLARD or GALLARD? Would the name GALLARD be a mistake >> I >> wonder? >> >> Regards >> Bev in Oz >> >> Temp here today 39 deg Celsius , supposed to hotter tomorrow. >> >> PS >> I have lost my printed Character Chart, even though I have a desk top >> one, >> I >> would love a printable one. Has anyone got a URL for it please. >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: Richard Jones Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 12:10 PM To: hopper Subject: Re: [DEV] Christopher VANSTONE married Mary Jane VINNICOMBE Hallo Dave and all readers, Thank you very much for your reply. I have meanwhile received a copy of the marriage cert. of 14 May 1870 in Whitestone for the above couple. Whilst the groom's details are as expected, the father of the bride is a David VINNICOMBE, and not the expected/hoped for Robert VINNICOMBE, my gt gt uncle. I have no knowledge of a David and am pretty sure that this is a problem. Whilst awaiting the cert., I had written -- quote Thank you very much for your reply. We now agree that Christopher VANSTONE married twice, the second marriage following the death of his first wife Mary Jane VINNICOMBE who he had married in Exeter in 1870. I have to say that I still am confused. The 1871 census shows Jane living in St Thomas as Mary J Vanstone born in South Zeal in 1839, although I think that should be 1849 and this mistake has caused her age to be wrong. In 1881 as Mary Jane VANSTONE in Exeter, she was born some 30 miles away from South Zeal in South Molton. I ask myself how this person could be the daughter of the person that I believe to be my gt gt uncle, Robert VINNICOMBE b. Collumpton 1800. unquote Now we know that this link is no longer, I wish you all the best in your endeavours. If I come across a David VINNICONBE in future, I will let you know. Best Wishes, Richard in Brighton. -----Original Message----- From: hopper Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 4:02 PM To: Richard Jones ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DEV] Christopher VANSTONE married Mary Jane VINNICOMBE Hi Richard, I have checked with the senior family member and what you say about Christopher Vanstone and his two marriages is correct, we have all the dates Mary Ann Martin who would have been my Wife's grandmother's step Mother. Christopher and her had seven children, a line not followed up. Thank you for pointing out the Mary Jane and Mary Ann connection. We have have sparse information for Mary Jane Vinnicombe, found in the workhouse in South Molton with her Mother. We are unsure of any further connection on the male line! Good luck with Robert and hope you find what you are seeking. sincerely, Dave.

Hi Bev , there is a Thomas Edmonds app to Nathaniel Gillard of Stokenham in 1804 . However I do think that if the ship itself was lost in its entirety , then there would have been a Board of Trade enquiry . Ships were capital assets and insured , the cargo similarly , and Lloyds of London would have had a record of what happened . If it is just a man died, Capt or otherwise, that would have been recorded in the log book and on the ship`s muster roll. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie McCulloch via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au>; <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 > My ancestor, a Master Mariner, was supposedly still alive when his > daughter > married in January > 1862. What they did not know was that he had died the month before on his > ship The George > at Bonny Banks, off the coast of Nigeria. He died of blood poisoning. He > was > buried at sea. > There is no record of his death so if your man died at sea there may be no > record. In such > cases I believe the death has to be reported at the next point of call and > by the Captain. > As he was the Captain then apparently it was not recorded. > If you can follow up on his career starting with details of the Gloria and > see where that takes you. > Have you checked overseas deaths index? > My husband had a good laugh when I found the place of burial as he > wondered > how I would find > his grave........ > > Marie > > -----Original Message----- > From: B. Edmonds via > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:05 PM > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com ; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 > > Afternoon all, > > I am after the burial place of Nathaniel GILLARD 1823 who married Mary > [nee > GUNN] at Chivelstone 11 Aug 1853. > > I seem to have lost Nathaniel who was a Mariner. Wife Mary is a widow in > 1881 at Malborough > > On FMP there is this in the Index > > Gallard N - 1881 1881 Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 > Date received 15 Feb 1881 > Vessel name Gloria > Departure port Tower Hill in the Bay > > Would these names show up on FreeBMD? I do not seem to be able to find > anything to match GILLARD or GALLARD? Would the name GALLARD be a mistake > I > wonder? > > Regards > Bev in Oz > > Temp here today 39 deg Celsius , supposed to hotter tomorrow. > > PS > I have lost my printed Character Chart, even though I have a desk top one, > I > would love a printable one. Has anyone got a URL for it please. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

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