Hi Bev; Just a thought, but if your Nathaniel was the N. GALLARD in the FMP index who was aboard the "Gloria" and died at sea, he may have been buried at sea, or returned to port at Tower Hill, Kingston, Jamaica. Why not take a look at the Kingston, Jamaica, records. Although in all probability, if the vessel had departed Kingston, they most likely would not have turned back, and he would have been buried at sea. However, if he was the Captain, they may have turned back for various reasons. Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds via Sent: Friday, 14 November 2014 5:05 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Nathaniel GILLARD c 1823 & Mary GUNN c 1824 Afternoon all, I am after the burial place of Nathaniel GILLARD 1823 who married Mary [nee GUNN] at Chivelstone 11 Aug 1853. I seem to have lost Nathaniel who was a Mariner. Wife Mary is a widow in 1881 at Malborough On FMP there is this in the Index Gallard N - 1881 1881 Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Date received 15 Feb 1881 Vessel name Gloria Departure port Tower Hill in the Bay Would these names show up on FreeBMD? I do not seem to be able to find anything to match GILLARD or GALLARD? Would the name GALLARD be a mistake I wonder? Regards Bev in Oz Temp here today 39 deg Celsius , supposed to hotter tomorrow. PS I have lost my printed Character Chart, even though I have a desk top one, I would love a printable one. Has anyone got a URL for it please. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did you try: Archer-LDS site - http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-dev.htm Edna - sunny Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: James Butler via Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 12:08 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Dawlish baptsm I wonder if I can ask for some assistance. My great-great- grandmother, Elizabeth ANN Crook, was born in Dolish (sic) on 27 January 1815, according to the family Bible, which appears to be accurate in all respects so far. Her father was William Crook, a coastguard, her mother was born Ann Edwards (according to the information on her death certificate, as supplied by her husband. I understand the Dawlish registers are in the Devon County Record Office. Are transcripts available? Or is someone able to check one day if Elizabeth was christened there, or any sibling information? I have no idea if the parents married there or not, and William later moved to Ireland, as my great-great-grandparents were married in County Londonderry in 1836. Regards James Butler

Hi, The Dawlish registers are online on Find my Past. There is a baptism of an Elizabeth on 16th February 1817 but the parents are William and Mary and the father's occupation is sailor so it may not be your Elizabeth. Ruth On 21 Nov 2014, at 05:08, James Butler via wrote: > I wonder if I can ask for some assistance. > > > > My great-great- grandmother, Elizabeth ANN Crook, was born in Dolish (sic) > on 27 January 1815, according to the family Bible, which appears to be > accurate in all respects so far. > > > > Her father was William Crook, a coastguard, her mother was born Ann Edwards > (according to the information on her death certificate, as supplied by her > husband. > > > > I understand the Dawlish registers are in the Devon County Record Office. > > > > Are transcripts available? Or is someone able to check one day if Elizabeth > was christened there, or any sibling information? I have no idea if the > parents married there or not, and William later moved to Ireland, as my > great-great-grandparents were married in County Londonderry in 1836. > > > > Regards > > > > James Butler > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm 70, and I still get called young man even by people younger than myself. Mind you they do look older than me at times. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Fisher via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:50 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] A Young Man (Ward family) > > Hi Bob > > I would have thought you were a man when you could marry = 14. > I was called a young man from about ten to to fourteen. > > Mike chilly Droitwich > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyu Heather, that would be worth checking as well. I am gathering up the marraiges of the Webbe children as i go as well. thanks Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "hh.in.hants" <hh.in.hants@roccoland.plus.com> To: "'Edie'" <eamca@bigpond.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [DEV] Richard Webber c1762, born? marr Elizabeth tucker, Stogursey, Somerset, England > Hi, > > I don't have any links to your family, but I did live in Stolford back in > the 1980's. Then most Stolford people went to Cannington Parish Church, so > it might be worth checking the parish records. It is a very rural area > with > miles of single track roads. > > Heather > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > >

Hi Bob I would have thought you were a man when you could marry = 14. I was called a young man from about ten to to fourteen. Mike chilly Droitwich

My great grandfather went to work as a porter on the railways at the age of 12 in 1872. My grandfather went down in the mines at the age of 10; his father at the age of 6. Males became men at an earlier age in those days. My grandmother was referring to me at the age of 12 in 1954 as a young man (probably even earlier than that) . Referring to a 12 year old in 1802 as a 'young man' seems quite consistent with the times to my way of thinking. Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida And my grandmother On 11/20/2014 9:12 AM, Bob Brock via wrote: > Can someone tell me if there was any standard for describing someone as "a young man" in a burial register? > > I've found an entry in 1802 described in this way and have one candidate who would have been about 12 years old. This feels too young (my gut feel was to look for someone 16-21), but I'd be interested to know if others have come across such a description and managed to tie it up to a baptism to give a better idea of how this phrase was used. > > I'm currently trying to do a little family reconstruction on the WARD family of Exbourne and Jacobstowe, and would be happy to hear from anyone with family connections to compare notes. There's a possibility of links to families in Bradford and Dolton from what I've found so far. > > > Bob Brock > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can someone tell me if there was any standard for describing someone as "a young man" in a burial register? I've found an entry in 1802 described in this way and have one candidate who would have been about 12 years old. This feels too young (my gut feel was to look for someone 16-21), but I'd be interested to know if others have come across such a description and managed to tie it up to a baptism to give a better idea of how this phrase was used. I'm currently trying to do a little family reconstruction on the WARD family of Exbourne and Jacobstowe, and would be happy to hear from anyone with family connections to compare notes. There's a possibility of links to families in Bradford and Dolton from what I've found so far. Bob Brock

Thanks for that Steve, that is a big possibility. funny but I thought I had just discovered he put a N in the 1841 census but when i looked through my papers I see I had seen that before and noted in 1851 he had put he was born in Somerset, but I hadnt any idea where, so this is useful. I would ssay very possible. He did have a son William. william may have been his first son as well. for some reason he hadnt put richard in the Baptism lineup. He may have been Elziabeths son and had taken his stepfathers surname. I did see on google where a Eliza beth Tucker had a base child and was being removd to Executor she was at Darlington at the time and in the same Google search, there was a Richard Webber poor child being apprenticed at Dartington, so there could be a possiblitly this was mother and son. richard was born 1793 the year of Richard and Elizabeth Tuckers marraige. Ineed to go into it to see if a bastardy report. could just be a coincidence, that there was a Elizabeth Tucker and a child Richard Webber in Darltngton at the same time. Could explain why richard junior wasnt baptised as first child of Richard and Elizabeth at Stogursey though. I know the peson whose Richard that is, he was married at Stogursey and was born at Stogursey as was his wife i 1825, but the baptisem isnt showing there. Richard senior may have misunderstood and wrote N for being born in Parish, which he wasnt. He lived in Stolford. thanks again Steve, I will look into this Edie McArthur ----- Original Message ----- From: steven dinham To: Edie ; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Richard Webber c1762, born? marr Elizabeth tucker, Stogursey, Somerset, England Hi Edie, This could be your Richard Webber. Richard Webber Baptised 5/1/1763, Tolland, Somerset, Son of William and Elizabeth Webber, Tolland is just 3 miles from Stogursey, although, Richard says he was born out of County in 1841, this could have been given by another person or at 75 it could have been a senior moment, I get them now , only in my 60's, in 1851 it says he was born Williton, Stogursey, in June Qtr. he is Buried at the Williton Registration District. Best Wishes Steve Dinham South Wales UK PS In my tree I have Edith Emma Webber b. 1913, Dulverton, Devon Ellen Webber b. 1837 Portsea Hampshire Georgina Webber b. 1851 Combe Florey, Somerset John Webber b. 1730 Ashbrittle Somerset ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Good morning I will forward your e-mail to a member of the Ayshford family that I believe will be able to help you. Regards Graham Parnell, Silverton -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marj via Sent: 19 November 2014 21:29 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Ayshford family I would like to contact the person who wrote the history of the Ayshford family of Ayshford Court near Burlescombe. I am also tracing that family. Regards.. Marj ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I don't have any links to your family, but I did live in Stolford back in the 1980's. Then most Stolford people went to Cannington Parish Church, so it might be worth checking the parish records. It is a very rural area with miles of single track roads. Heather --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

"Relict" is typically used where the husband is named, particularly on memorials. Widow is typically used with the surname of the deceased husband. The Hearth tax is a an example of this as are most death registers i.e. Widow Smith or Sarah widow of John Smith. Civil Registration allows widower as a marital status. A search of Familysearch for the first name "widow" in England gives 50147 hits, of which, 420 are classified as male. Some are obviously misclassifications, particularly amongst the deaths. Some marriages would indicate the male was a widower. Similarly FMP show the forename "widow" does not indicate males for 6000 hits for deaths or marriages (or 3 probably illegitimate births) I would tend to go with Terry's view, that many of the male widows may be the use of the full name rather than just the surname. I would also add villages where the surname was limited it would be used to differentiate which widow had died and the possibility of error. Before coming to any conclusion I would check the original parish record entries for connected births, deaths and marriages. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ANGELA MARKS via Sent: 19 November 2014 10:50 To: David L. Langenberg; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Widow = Widower In the 17th century the usual term for a woman who has lost her husband was 'relict', so possibly the term 'widow' originally applied to men, but was later adopted by women. Angela in Exmouth ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 18/11/2014 - 23:12 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Widow = Widower I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast and in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who have died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any evidence that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else encountered this in Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a part of the parish clerk's idiolect? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Terry, I take your point. To clarify my example, though, the entry went on.... "Richard Craunch widow married Tamsyn Stayrte daughter of[Edw??] Stayrte....." So, in this particular case the author's intention is that Richard's previous wife was dead. Going backwards, 8 months earlier I found the burial record for "Elizabeth, wife of Richard Craunch" Though we should never assume... :-) always check! Regards Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: Terry Blackmore [mailto:Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2014 8:03 PM To: Kathryn Barnett; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Widow = Widower Just be aware that it could refer to the widow of just for instance say Richard Craunch whose name is not known, in a shortened entry. It sounds improbable, but it could, and can happen. I've said before the author of the entry is the only one who knows exactly what he meant. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kathryn Barnett via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:43 AM To: "'David L. Langenberg'" <gallienus@mac.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Widow = Widower > Hello David, > > Yes, I can report seeing instances in Devon PRs where a male is > referred to as a 'widow' or 'widdow'. > > I found one on the weekend in the South Huish records in 1614 - > "Richard Craunch, widow". > > Regards > > Kathryn > > Adelaide > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of David L. Langenberg via > Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2014 9:43 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Widow = Widower > > I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on > FindMyPast and in the late 17th century, I am finding several > instances where men who have died are described as "wddow," where we > would now say "widower." I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary > and it does not provide any evidence that "widow" could also apply to > men. Has anyone else encountered this in Devon records? Might it be > a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a part of the parish > clerk's idiolect? > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Edie, This could be your Richard Webber. Richard Webber Baptised 5/1/1763, Tolland, Somerset, Son of William and Elizabeth Webber,Tolland is just 3 miles from Stogursey, although, Richard says he was born out of County in 1841, this could have been given by another person or at 75 it could have been a senior moment, I get them now , only in my 60's, in 1851 it says he was born Williton, Stogursey, in June Qtr. he is Buried at the Williton Registration District. Best WishesSteve DinhamSouth Wales UK PS In my tree I have Edith Emma Webber b. 1913, Dulverton, DevonEllen Webber b. 1837 Portsea HampshireGeorgina Webber b. 1851 Combe Florey, SomersetJohn Webber b. 1730 Ashbrittle Somerset    

I think you have it correctly Angela. I have come across the use of widow for both genders quite frequently and I think widower is a newer usage and relict was the original form for what we would now call widows. The one issue I would remind people of is that a wife would be referred to as, for instance, Mrs. John Smith, albeit that her own names may have been completely different, so Mrs John Smith widow could indeed refer to the wife/relict of the dead John Smith. My own mother was used to being referred to formally in this way (Mrs Lawrence Frayne) into the 1970s so it did not get touched by feminism for a long time! Jon Frayne -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ANGELA MARKS via Sent: 19 November 2014 10:50 To: David L. Langenberg; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Widow = Widower In the 17th century the usual term for a woman who has lost her husband was 'relict', so possibly the term 'widow' originally applied to men, but was later adopted by women. Angela in Exmouth ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 18/11/2014 - 23:12 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Widow = Widower I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast and in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who have died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any evidence that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else encountered this in Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a part of the parish clerk's idiolect? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello David, Yes, I can report seeing instances in Devon PRs where a male is referred to as a 'widow' or 'widdow'. I found one on the weekend in the South Huish records in 1614 - "Richard Craunch, widow". Regards Kathryn Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David L. Langenberg via Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2014 9:43 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Widow = Widower I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast and in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who have died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any evidence that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else encountered this in Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a part of the parish clerk's idiolect? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to contact the person who wrote the history of the Ayshford family of Ayshford Court near Burlescombe. I am also tracing that family. Regards.. Marj

Hello, I think this may be the first time I have requested our familyof Webbbers over the Devon list. Our Richard Webber died in Stogursey Somerset in 1852 agd 90, he was a fisherman, as was some of his sons, Thomas, Frederick and a son Richard shose baptisem we havent found as yet. The other sons all born in Sotogursey, Somerset, but they appeared to live at Stolford. I have found that on the 1841 Census of Stogursey, Somerset that Richard has N, under born in County, so I am on the search. I have a few possibles that some of you may be related to. Also some of you may belong to the following persons family and moved to Devon. I have a large obit for a family member of ours, I was given when in England in 1989. Death of a Mr. Lewis Albert Webber of Dunster. The obit says he died 22nd November and the obit is dated 29th November 1969. It is headed in large print Noted amily of thatchers. He was a Thatcher as Richards family had been as far back as 1634 at Barnstaple. So if you belong to this family, then you are part of our Tasmanian family. Lewis was born at Stolford, the son of Mr and Mrs Robert Webber. Our Richard. I think Lewis was known as Bert, as the obit mentions that. It also says he was living in Stolford at the time of his enlistment into the royal fusiliers in the 1914-1918. Durint that period his parents moved to Williton. On leaving the fusieliers he rejoined his father in the business. For a while he lived at Kingswood Stogumer, and after his marraige moved to Dunster in 1943. That is just a samll ar tof the information on the obit. there are hundreds of family names on it. Apparently the previous year he had a nasty fall of the roof at Church Steps, Minehead. Anyway if you are a relative or know where Lewis family tree leads back to lease let me know as this is the same family, but I am having trouble getting past Richards marraige. Knowing now he was not born in Somerset and now appears it will be Devon. I found some possibles, here they are off Familysearch. Someone may have better news for me. I have found two possible Richard Webber births in Devon, both with parents Richard and Mary. Ruchard and mary is what our Richard and Elizabeth named their first two children. So have to work on this. Richard Webber christened 16 May 1766 Father Richard, Mother Mary at Stoke Teighnhead, Devon, England. Familysearch batch C05246-1 Richard Webber Christened 29 November 1761, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England, father Richard and Mother Mary, . Familysearch C05246-1, this date matches with the death age of 90 oin 1852 of Richard. Other possibles Richard Webber Christeed 1 May 1762, Redruth, Cornwall, England to William Webber and Elizabeth. Our Richard and Elizabeth tried three times to name and Elizabeth and she died each time. Richard Webber chr 6 July 1766, Dihisham, Devon, england father Thomas Webber, mother jane this next one I think is too late, but not sure Richard We bber chr 27 January St Kew, Cornwall, England, father John Webber, Mother elizabeth thanks for any help Edie McArthur Australia

On 19 Nov 2014 at 20:35, Kathryn Barnett via wrote: > Thanks Terry, > > I take your point. > > To clarify my example, though, the entry went on.... > "Richard Craunch widow married Tamsyn Stayrte daughter of[Edw??] > Stayrte....." > So, in this particular case the author's intention is that Richard's > previous wife was dead. Going backwards, 8 months earlier I found the burial > record for "Elizabeth, wife of Richard Craunch" Perhaps concern about sexist language goes back further than we thought. I've seen males refered to as "Widow" or "Wid" in the marital status column of censuses too. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

I've also found found a number of males referred to as widows. With regard to a Richard being referred to as a widow, don't forget that Richord/Richoard was a female name. Bruce Peeke -----Original Message----- From: Kathryn Barnett via Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:43 AM To: 'David L. Langenberg' ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Widow = Widower Hello David, Yes, I can report seeing instances in Devon PRs where a male is referred to as a 'widow' or 'widdow'. I found one on the weekend in the South Huish records in 1614 - "Richard Craunch, widow". Regards Kathryn Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David L. Langenberg via Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2014 9:43 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Widow = Widower I have been going through the Germansweek parish registers on FindMyPast and in the late 17th century, I am finding several instances where men who have died are described as "wddow," where we would now say "widower." I just checked the Oxford English Dictionary and it does not provide any evidence that "widow" could also apply to men. Has anyone else encountered this in Devon records? Might it be a dialectal variant of "widower"? Or else a part of the parish clerk's idiolect? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message