Hi Bev and all, What I thought would be interesting was a wide study of whether pauper burials increased in the time period of the Stamp Duty in a lot of parishes in Devon. But from your response and other emails on this subject, it sounds like many of the other parishes did not include who was a pauper in the burial registers except during the Stamp Duty, so it would probably take a lot more time and effort, as someone would probably need to go through offline records and see how many poor law records have even survived from that time period - so this is probably not feasible for anyone to do as a small side project. I wish parish chest records were a priority for digitization, but alas, they do not seem to be for most companies. Thanks, Liz Loveland in Massachusetts, US On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 3:13 PM, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > Liz > Stokenham seems to have the word " Pauper " written against several names > from 1785-1794 when it appears to suddenly stop. > Chivelstone starts with one in 1784 and stops at 1794 > South Pool - none recorded > Halwell starts as early as 1788 and seems to finish 1794, could be earlier > as I did not go beyond 1788. > > Bev >

Liz The entry is on my old fiche Thomas MITCHELL and Susanna TREGELLY 24 Dec 1747 Batch 7112410 Looking at the fiche for Brixton confirms what is on Famsearch with no further information. Regards Bev in Oz -------------------------------------------------- From: "Liz & Tom Thompson via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 1:31 AM To: <CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com>; <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; "India List" <INDIA-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] (no subject) > > Hello, > > Apologies in advance for a lengthy email, but I hope it will be of > interest > to all parties. > > I have recently had problems with FamilySearch in trying to relocate some > previous search results, so I wrote to FS, and below are the replies. > > I had located a marriage record for a Thomas Mitchell to a Susanna > Tregelly > at Brixton, Devon, on 24 December 1747. Because it didn't wholly match > what > I hoped to find, I searched around through FS without much more success. > When I tried to go back to the original search it didn't show up. Nor did > a > similar search for Susanna Tregelly. I had also found that when I > searched > for a marriage I got results for everything but. Hence my query to FS. > > --0-- > > We understand your frustration at not being able to replicate a search. We > tried to replicate your findings ourselves and could only find Thomas's > birth record: > > We could find no connection with a Susanna in that date range. We even > searched on our partner site, Ancestry.com and could not find a marriage > record there either. > > We do know that collections come and go according to the laws of the > country > that owns them. This may or may not be the case. We are also having issues > with our search engine and hope to rectify that in the near future. > > As to your second question, church records often include birth, baptism, > marriages and deaths. When the records are digitized, they will digitize > all > of the records they have, therefore there may be other types of records > included in marriage records. > > --0-- > > Hello again, > > Thanks for looking. I don't really follow your logic regarding the laws > of > different countries. Once a record has been released, surely it stays > released. > > I also don't follow your logic regarding the church records. Once a > record > has been digitised, surely a search should pick out what is being searched > for, and not produce a birth record when looking for a marriage. Somehow > the search process is not working. If that is going to happen there's no > point in specifying a particular search option. > > --0-- > > Thank you for responding. We are afraid it is not our logic. We have > quoted > from our knowledge article below. And as we said, it may not be because of > this. Once our search engine is revamped, it should be easier to find > people > more than one time. And that will make us happy, too. Best of luck. > Record access is subject to change. You may see more or fewer records in > FamilySearch.org for several reasons: > FamilySearch does not own the historical records published on the > FamilySearch.org site. Therefore, while we can publish free indexes, we > may > not be able to publish the accompanying images for all users. > > The viewing of records is subject to the laws of political entities and to > the wishes of the record custodians (archives, societies, governments, > etc.); they govern the following viewing privileges. > > Privacy for the records of living people and people within specific time > spans; for example, many countries do not allow the viewing of certain > records until a person has been deceased for 75 years. > Which users can view images. For example, only registered users, or > members > of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the sponsoring > organization). > The place the record can be accessed; for example, only in family history > centers. > Record access will change as the laws that govern records change. Access > to > census records and birth, marriage, death, and other records is determined > by the country, state, or entity that has stewardship over the records. > > To make sure you have access to the most records available, you can do the > following: > Sign in to familysearch.org before your search. (In the upper right corner > of the home page, click Sign in, and sign in with your FamilySearch > account > user name and password.) > Search for records from a family history center. Some records are only > available at family history centers. > Note: There is no limit on the number of users that can view a record at > the > same time. > > Regards, > FamilySearch > > --0-- > > I still don't follow the logic, and I wasn't (on that occasion) trying to > view actual images. It seems a bit like an excuse to me. However, it > seems > we will have to await the updated search engine, unless someone else is > better aware of what is happening! > > Many thanks for your patience, and I hope it helps someone. > > Best wishes, > Tom Thompson. > . > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8709 - Release Date: 12/09/14 >

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When the "new" family search was introduced members interests and similar were moved from the IGI and Predigree Files to "User Submitted Genealogies" and any "hits" are listed at the end of the 1st page of search results, as well as being available through the collections search. The collection results should be treated the same was as Ancestry Family Trees. Typically the do not reference the source and dates and names sometimes seem to be guesses. It is also difficlut to contact the poster unless you are a church member. It is worth checking the film reference  of any Familysearch results to check if it is from a recognised source such as parish register, census etc. I either print or copy any interesting results from Familysearch so I have a reference to the film number. For proven ancestors, at some point, I get a copy of the original to check if there is any further information.. Paul ________________________________ From: Michael Fisher via <devon@rootsweb.com> To: Liz & Tom Thompson <lizandtom65@btinternet.com>; devon@rootsweb.com; CORNISH-GEN@rootsweb.com; India List <INDIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2014, 17:15 Subject: Re: [DEV] (no subject) Hi The entry is still on familysearch but it's in the "contributed IGI" search using https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi/ Mike in windy Droitwich ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi The entry is still on familysearch but it's in the "contributed IGI" search using https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi/ Mike in windy Droitwich

Hello, Apologies in advance for a lengthy email, but I hope it will be of interest to all parties. I have recently had problems with FamilySearch in trying to relocate some previous search results, so I wrote to FS, and below are the replies. I had located a marriage record for a Thomas Mitchell to a Susanna Tregelly at Brixton, Devon, on 24 December 1747. Because it didn't wholly match what I hoped to find, I searched around through FS without much more success. When I tried to go back to the original search it didn't show up. Nor did a similar search for Susanna Tregelly. I had also found that when I searched for a marriage I got results for everything but. Hence my query to FS. --0-- We understand your frustration at not being able to replicate a search. We tried to replicate your findings ourselves and could only find Thomas's birth record: We could find no connection with a Susanna in that date range. We even searched on our partner site, Ancestry.com and could not find a marriage record there either. We do know that collections come and go according to the laws of the country that owns them. This may or may not be the case. We are also having issues with our search engine and hope to rectify that in the near future. As to your second question, church records often include birth, baptism, marriages and deaths. When the records are digitized, they will digitize all of the records they have, therefore there may be other types of records included in marriage records. --0-- Hello again, Thanks for looking. I don't really follow your logic regarding the laws of different countries. Once a record has been released, surely it stays released. I also don't follow your logic regarding the church records. Once a record has been digitised, surely a search should pick out what is being searched for, and not produce a birth record when looking for a marriage. Somehow the search process is not working. If that is going to happen there's no point in specifying a particular search option. --0-- Thank you for responding. We are afraid it is not our logic. We have quoted from our knowledge article below. And as we said, it may not be because of this. Once our search engine is revamped, it should be easier to find people more than one time. And that will make us happy, too. Best of luck. Record access is subject to change. You may see more or fewer records in FamilySearch.org for several reasons: FamilySearch does not own the historical records published on the FamilySearch.org site. Therefore, while we can publish free indexes, we may not be able to publish the accompanying images for all users. The viewing of records is subject to the laws of political entities and to the wishes of the record custodians (archives, societies, governments, etc.); they govern the following viewing privileges. Privacy for the records of living people and people within specific time spans; for example, many countries do not allow the viewing of certain records until a person has been deceased for 75 years. Which users can view images. For example, only registered users, or members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the sponsoring organization). The place the record can be accessed; for example, only in family history centers. Record access will change as the laws that govern records change. Access to census records and birth, marriage, death, and other records is determined by the country, state, or entity that has stewardship over the records. To make sure you have access to the most records available, you can do the following: Sign in to familysearch.org before your search. (In the upper right corner of the home page, click Sign in, and sign in with your FamilySearch account user name and password.) Search for records from a family history center. Some records are only available at family history centers. Note: There is no limit on the number of users that can view a record at the same time. Regards, FamilySearch --0-- I still don't follow the logic, and I wasn't (on that occasion) trying to view actual images. It seems a bit like an excuse to me. However, it seems we will have to await the updated search engine, unless someone else is better aware of what is happening! Many thanks for your patience, and I hope it helps someone. Best wishes, Tom Thompson. .

Liz Stokenham seems to have the word " Pauper " written against several names from 1785-1794 when it appears to suddenly stop. Chivelstone starts with one in 1784 and stops at 1794 South Pool - none recorded Halwell starts as early as 1788 and seems to finish 1794, could be earlier as I did not go beyond 1788. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Liz Loveland via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:25 AM To: "Simons/Mumford" <apes@ntlworld.com> Cc: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Problems in Hartland area c. 1790-91? > Hi Pam and all, > In Hartland whether anyone was marked as a 'pauper' in the burials seemed

Hi Pam and all, In Hartland whether anyone was marked as a 'pauper' in the burials seemed to depend on the official doing the writing. A number of time periods had officials who marked who was being buried as a pauper in Hartland's registers but I've not seen as many pauper burials listed in other times as during the time period I first inquired about. So it does seem that at least in this case, someone who was sympathetic to the parish's residents was helping to defray burial costs of the Stamp Duty, since of course people could not delay burials like they could potentially delay baptisms. It sounds like the vicar in your case was very sympathetic, given that he apparently also helped people who were not actually very poor at the time. It would be interesting for someone to study this and see if this was common in many parishes in Devon. Thanks again for all your answers! Liz Loveland <http://adventuresingenealogy.wordpress.com/> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:26 AM, Simons/Mumford <apes@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Following this thread, I checked the burials for Cheriton Fitzpaine for the > 1780s through to the end of 1790s - I was interested as a possible ancestor > I knew was marked as a P, though the family generally were not that poor. > From 1784 the vicar has marked a considerable number of people as P, and > continues to do so until 1794. Before and after this date, no-one is marked > with a P, so I think he was probably just marking in the register who > didn't > have to pay. > Pam Simons >

Following this thread, I checked the burials for Cheriton Fitzpaine for the 1780s through to the end of 1790s - I was interested as a possible ancestor I knew was marked as a P, though the family generally were not that poor. >From 1784 the vicar has marked a considerable number of people as P, and continues to do so until 1794. Before and after this date, no-one is marked with a P, so I think he was probably just marking in the register who didn't have to pay. Pam Simons -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon via Sent: 06 December 2014 11:58 To: lovelandfamilyhistory@gmail.com Cc: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Problems in Hartland area c. 1790-91? A Stamp Duty of 3d was levied on entries in parish registers from 1783 to 1794 but was exempt for paupers. I don't know what the criteria for paupers was but some clergymen were sympathetic to the poorer parishioners. For the same reason, there are some late baptisms following the period - worth remembering if you have an ancestor whose age on censuses or burials indicates that they were born 1783-94 but you can only find a possible baptism later. The severe winter of 1784 was originally attributed to a "volcanic winter" following an eruption in Iceland but modern research has cast a doubt on this and claims that it was an unusual set of climactic conditions similar to the severe winter of 2009-10. Joy Langdon On Friday, 5 Dec, 2014 at 19:38, Liz Loveland via<devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know if there were any specific widespread problems, possibly economic, in the Hartland area of North Devon circa 1790-91 and/or in the years leading up to that point? I ask because around half of the people listed in Hartland's burial register at that time were described as paupers and I'm curious as to whether anyone knows of specific reason(s) why. I checked R. Pearse Chope's *The Book of Hartland* before posting but didn't find a clear cause in it, though it was interesting to note wood distributed to 52 poor people of Harton during "Severe Snowy Weather" in 1784. Thanks, Liz Loveland in Massachusetts, US lovelandfamilyhistory@gmail.com <http://adventuresingenealogy.wordpress.com/> ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Philip and Bev: I expect this STURE-Loddiswell link will be of little interest. My ancestor Robert STURE of Bovytracy, Collyor, in August 1541, purchased a tenement at Bovey from John and William Kerswell of Loddiswell. I'd been searching for a Bovey Tracey-South Hams link for years when I came upon a reference to the purchase in W G Hoskins' 'Devon', and discovered that several Loddiswell families, e.g Westcott, owned land in Bovey at that time. Bovey, it seems was on a major pack-horse route between North and South Devon. My point is that there seems to have been a great deal more social movement in "those days" than I had thought, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds via Sent: Friday, 5 December 2014 2:19 PM To: Philip Steer; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Steer Philip I have looked at Loddiswell, sections almost unreadable but I did not see any STURE/STEER names, they seem to be present next door at Aveton Gifford though. I am not sure how FMP treat unreadable parts of these fiche, maybe they have access to the BT's? I did make out one name in 1684 and tried it out in FTM and it did not show up so maybe they have not transcribed that section yet. This entry in 1695 In case you want to try there is a John s/o George FURLONGE, Gent bapt 16 Mar 1695. There is also a George s/o George HADY of West Allington bapt abt 30 Apr 1696 I could not find neither on FMP. I know a few weeks back someone was looking at LAVERS, Edward s/o John Aug 1681 Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Philip Steer via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 6:31 AM To: "Devon Mailing List" <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Steer group" <steer-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Steer > At the head of my family tree stands GEORGE STURE - born circa 1684 > and buried 5th May 1760 at Woodleigh. He married ELIZABETH SMYTH in > 1716 at Black Awton. She died in 1719, as did their son, George. > They are described as the wife and the son of George Steer of > Woodleigh. He then married SARAH FOALE at Sherford on 2nd September > 1719. She died in 1754. > > I cannot yet find a George Sture born in 1684, who might fit this > picture. His gravestone shows that he was 76 at death. I would be > very grateful if anyone has a clue as to where he came from. > > Best wishes, > > Philip Steer > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8680 - Release Date: 12/04/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The source was an article published in Geophysical Research Letters 2011, authors Rosanne D'Arrigo, Richard Seager, Jason E. Smerdon, and Edward R. Cook of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University and Allegra N. Le Grande of NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Joy Langdon On Saturday, 6 Dec, 2014 at 14:13, Wayne Shepheard via<devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: I am not sure what modern research Joy refers to but there is no doubt that the eight-month eruption of Laki in Iceland produced enormous quantities of ash and sulphurous gas that spread southeastward across much of Europe, including the eastern part of the UK. Other volcanoes, such as Grimvotn were also active then, and for years after, and added to the toxic clouds. The results were devastated crops, extreme weather events, cold and respiratory problems for those in the path of the poisoned air. There were hundreds of thousands of deaths, mainly in continental Europe. Global climate patterns were disrupted as well with the effects felt throughout the Northern Hemisphere. It is doubtful Hartland, or most of the other Devon parishes would have been affected as western England was out of the main path of the volcanic ash. -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 4:58 AM The severe winter of 1784 was originally attributed to a "volcanic winter" following an eruption in Iceland but modern research has cast a doubt on this and claims that it was an unusual set of climactic conditions similar to the severe winter of 2009-10. Joy Langdon ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you contacted Mrs Susan Martin a member of the Guild of one studies www.one-name.org who has registered the Steer surname -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Steer via Sent: 06 December 2014 21:20 To: 'B. Edmonds'; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Steer Dear Philip and Bev: I expect this STURE-Loddiswell link will be of little interest. My ancestor Robert STURE of Bovytracy, Collyor, in August 1541, purchased a tenement at Bovey from John and William Kerswell of Loddiswell. I'd been searching for a Bovey Tracey-South Hams link for years when I came upon a reference to the purchase in W G Hoskins' 'Devon', and discovered that several Loddiswell families, e.g Westcott, owned land in Bovey at that time. Bovey, it seems was on a major pack-horse route between North and South Devon. My point is that there seems to have been a great deal more social movement in "those days" than I had thought, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds via Sent: Friday, 5 December 2014 2:19 PM To: Philip Steer; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Steer Philip I have looked at Loddiswell, sections almost unreadable but I did not see any STURE/STEER names, they seem to be present next door at Aveton Gifford though. I am not sure how FMP treat unreadable parts of these fiche, maybe they have access to the BT's? I did make out one name in 1684 and tried it out in FTM and it did not show up so maybe they have not transcribed that section yet. This entry in 1695 In case you want to try there is a John s/o George FURLONGE, Gent bapt 16 Mar 1695. There is also a George s/o George HADY of West Allington bapt abt 30 Apr 1696 I could not find neither on FMP. I know a few weeks back someone was looking at LAVERS, Edward s/o John Aug 1681 Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Philip Steer via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 6:31 AM To: "Devon Mailing List" <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Steer group" <steer-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Steer > At the head of my family tree stands GEORGE STURE - born circa 1684 > and buried 5th May 1760 at Woodleigh. He married ELIZABETH SMYTH in > 1716 at Black Awton. She died in 1719, as did their son, George. > They are described as the wife and the son of George Steer of > Woodleigh. He then married SARAH FOALE at Sherford on 2nd September > 1719. She died in 1754. > > I cannot yet find a George Sture born in 1684, who might fit this > picture. His gravestone shows that he was 76 at death. I would be > very grateful if anyone has a clue as to where he came from. > > Best wishes, > > Philip Steer > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8680 - Release Date: 12/04/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a burial for George Haddy 17 Apr 1739 at Loddiswell. I believe he is the same George Haddy baptized at Loddiswell 30 Apr 1696. George & wife Ann had 4 children baptized at Loddiswell On Saturday, December 6, 2014 4:37 PM, Alan Nelson via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Have you contacted Mrs Susan Martin a member of the Guild of one studies www.one-name.org who has registered the Steer surname -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Steer via Sent: 06 December 2014 21:20 To: 'B. Edmonds'; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Steer Dear Philip and Bev: I expect this STURE-Loddiswell link will be of little interest. My ancestor Robert STURE of Bovytracy, Collyor, in August 1541, purchased a tenement at Bovey from John and William Kerswell of Loddiswell. I'd been searching for a Bovey Tracey-South Hams link for years when I came upon a reference to the purchase in W G Hoskins' 'Devon', and discovered that several Loddiswell families, e.g Westcott, owned land in Bovey at that time. Bovey, it seems was on a major pack-horse route between North and South Devon. My point is that there seems to have been a great deal more social movement in "those days" than I had thought, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds via Sent: Friday, 5 December 2014 2:19 PM To: Philip Steer; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Steer Philip I have looked at Loddiswell, sections almost unreadable but I did not see any STURE/STEER names, they seem to be present next door at Aveton Gifford though. I am not sure how FMP treat unreadable parts of these fiche, maybe they have access to the BT's? I did make out one name in 1684 and tried it out in FTM and it did not show up so maybe they have not transcribed that section yet. This entry in 1695 In case you want to try there is a John s/o George FURLONGE, Gent bapt 16 Mar 1695. There is also a George s/o George HADY of West Allington bapt abt 30 Apr 1696 I could not find neither on FMP. I know a few weeks back someone was looking at LAVERS, Edward s/o John Aug 1681 Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Philip Steer via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 6:31 AM To: "Devon Mailing List" <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Steer group" <steer-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Steer > At the head of my family tree stands GEORGE STURE - born circa 1684 > and buried 5th May 1760 at Woodleigh. He married ELIZABETH SMYTH in > 1716 at Black Awton. She died in 1719, as did their son, George. > They are described as the wife and the son of George Steer of > Woodleigh. He then married SARAH FOALE at Sherford on 2nd September > 1719. She died in 1754. > > I cannot yet find a George Sture born in 1684, who might fit this > picture. His gravestone shows that he was 76 at death. I would be > very grateful if anyone has a clue as to where he came from. > > Best wishes, > > Philip Steer > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8680 - Release Date: 12/04/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A Stamp Duty of 3d was levied on entries in parish registers from 1783 to 1794 but was exempt for paupers. I don't know what the criteria for paupers was but some clergymen were sympathetic to the poorer parishioners. For the same reason, there are some late baptisms following the period - worth remembering if you have an ancestor whose age on censuses or burials indicates that they were born 1783-94 but you can only find a possible baptism later. The severe winter of 1784 was originally attributed to a "volcanic winter" following an eruption in Iceland but modern research has cast a doubt on this and claims that it was an unusual set of climactic conditions similar to the severe winter of 2009-10. Joy Langdon On Friday, 5 Dec, 2014 at 19:38, Liz Loveland via<devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know if there were any specific widespread problems, possibly economic, in the Hartland area of North Devon circa 1790-91 and/or in the years leading up to that point? I ask because around half of the people listed in Hartland's burial register at that time were described as paupers and I'm curious as to whether anyone knows of specific reason(s) why. I checked R. Pearse Chope's *The Book of Hartland* before posting but didn't find a clear cause in it, though it was interesting to note wood distributed to 52 poor people of Harton during "Severe Snowy Weather" in 1784. Thanks, Liz Loveland in Massachusetts, US lovelandfamilyhistory@gmail.com <http://adventuresingenealogy.wordpress.com/> ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to John and Joy for the responses. I had posted because I'd wondered if it were a local specific problem but it sounds like the Stamp Duty is a more likely cause of the rise in pauper burials. Am I remembering correctly that there was a little piece on the severe winter of 1784 in the Devon FHS journal maybe a few years ago? Or perhaps I read about it elsewhere at that time. Thanks again, Liz Loveland in Massachusetts, US lovelandfamilyhistory@gmail.com <http://adventuresingenealogy.wordpress.com/> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btinternet.com> wrote: > A Stamp Duty of 3d was levied on entries in parish registers from 1783 to > 1794 but was exempt for paupers. I don't know what the criteria for > paupers was but some clergymen were sympathetic to the poorer > parishioners. For the same reason, there are some late baptisms following > the period - worth remembering if you have an ancestor whose age on > censuses or burials indicates that they were born 1783-94 but you can only > find a possible baptism later. > > The severe winter of 1784 was originally attributed to a "volcanic winter" > following an eruption in Iceland but modern research has cast a doubt on > this and claims that it was an unusual set of climactic conditions similar > to the severe winter of 2009-10. >

Morning all. Apologies for the long winded and very confusing e-mail. Would anyone have the marriage certificate for Edmund HATHERLEIGH to Elizabeth LUKE please in 1878 Plymouth? Marriages Sep 1878 Austen Jacob Davis Plymouth 5b 472HATHERLEIGH Edmund Plymouth 5b 472Luke Elizabeth Plymouth 5b 472WALL Mary Ann Plymouth 5b 472I have a major problem with sorting two families because a Thomas EDMUNDS marries an Elizabeth LUKE on the 16 Jul 1877 at Plymouth St Andrew. You will note that this is 1 year prior to the above marriage HATHERLIGH-LUKE Now, all the children born/bapt to Edmund HATHERLEY/HATHERLEIGH and Elizabeth end up being the children of Thomas EDMUNDS and Elizabeth. The place of living when the children are bapt to Edmund HATHERLEY & Elizabeth is 31 Morley St, Thomas EDMUNDS and Elizabeth are at 31 Morley St in 1891- 1911 Both men were Dockyard workers. Thomas EDMUNDS in all census is born Jersey When Thomas EDMUNDS marries he records his father as John EDMUNDS Shoemaker I cannot find Thomas EDMUNDS in 1861 but there is a John HATHERLY in St Andrew who matches with a son Edmund born Jersey and a son Thomas born Chard [did Thomas get this wrong in Census?] Is Thomas EDMUNDS really Thomas or Edmund HATHERLEY? Half the children are recorded as Hatherley-Edmonds in some Docs. Their births are Registered at HATHERLEY [+variants] Recorded as EDMUNDS in all census, die as HATHERLEY or EDMUNDS. What puzzles me the most is why two MARRIAGES one Thomas EDMUNDS to Elizabeth LUKE in 1877 and the other in 1878 [which is why I would love a certificate] Why are the children living with Thomas EDMUNDS and Elizabeth in all census and at the same time still being Registered/baptied to Edmund HATHERLEY and Elizabeth 1861 Piece: RG9/1444 Place: St Andrew -Devon Enumeration District: 21 Civil Parish: St Andrew Ecclesiastical Parish: St Andrew Folio: 116 Page: 5 Schedule: 203 Address: 6 Peacock Lane Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks HATHERLY John Head M M 56 Cordwainer Devon - Witheridge HATHERLY Rachel Wife M F 51 Somerset - Shepton Mallet HATHERLY William Son - M 13 Cordwainer Somerset - Chard HATHERLY Thomas Son - M 11 Scholar Somerset - Chard HATHERLY Edmund Son - M 8 Scholar Jersey - - You all need a medal for reading this far. Regards Bev

I am not sure what modern research Joy refers to but there is no doubt that the eight-month eruption of Laki in Iceland produced enormous quantities of ash and sulphurous gas that spread southeastward across much of Europe, including the eastern part of the UK. Other volcanoes, such as Grimvotn were also active then, and for years after, and added to the toxic clouds. The results were devastated crops, extreme weather events, cold and respiratory problems for those in the path of the poisoned air. There were hundreds of thousands of deaths, mainly in continental Europe. Global climate patterns were disrupted as well with the effects felt throughout the Northern Hemisphere. It is doubtful Hartland, or most of the other Devon parishes would have been affected as western England was out of the main path of the volcanic ash. -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 4:58 AM The severe winter of 1784 was originally attributed to a "volcanic winter" following an eruption in Iceland but modern research has cast a doubt on this and claims that it was an unusual set of climactic conditions similar to the severe winter of 2009-10. Joy Langdon

Liz: >around half of the people >listed in Hartland's burial register at that time were described as paupers >and I'm curious as to whether anyone knows of specific reason(s) why. I don't know whether this applies to that time and place, but some vicars were more sympathetic than others to their less well-to-do parishioners who were faced with fees for BMD. If they described them as paupers, there was no fee to pay. Regards, John Moore

Hi all, Does anyone know if there were any specific widespread problems, possibly economic, in the Hartland area of North Devon circa 1790-91 and/or in the years leading up to that point? I ask because around half of the people listed in Hartland's burial register at that time were described as paupers and I'm curious as to whether anyone knows of specific reason(s) why. I checked R. Pearse Chope's *The Book of Hartland* before posting but didn't find a clear cause in it, though it was interesting to note wood distributed to 52 poor people of Harton during "Severe Snowy Weather" in 1784. Thanks, Liz Loveland in Massachusetts, US lovelandfamilyhistory@gmail.com <http://adventuresingenealogy.wordpress.com/>

Philip I have looked at Loddiswell, sections almost unreadable but I did not see any STURE/STEER names, they seem to be present next door at Aveton Gifford though. I am not sure how FMP treat unreadable parts of these fiche, maybe they have access to the BT's? I did make out one name in 1684 and tried it out in FTM and it did not show up so maybe they have not transcribed that section yet. This entry in 1695 In case you want to try there is a John s/o George FURLONGE, Gent bapt 16 Mar 1695. There is also a George s/o George HADY of West Allington bapt abt 30 Apr 1696 I could not find neither on FMP. I know a few weeks back someone was looking at LAVERS, Edward s/o John Aug 1681 Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Philip Steer via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 6:31 AM To: "Devon Mailing List" <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Steer group" <steer-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Steer > At the head of my family tree stands GEORGE STURE - born circa 1684 > and buried 5th May 1760 at Woodleigh. He married ELIZABETH SMYTH in > 1716 at Black Awton. She died in 1719, as did their son, George. > They are described as the wife and the son of George Steer of > Woodleigh. He then married SARAH FOALE at Sherford on 2nd September > 1719. She died in 1754. > > I cannot yet find a George Sture born in 1684, who might fit this > picture. His gravestone shows that he was 76 at death. I would be > very grateful if anyone has a clue as to where he came from. > > Best wishes, > > Philip Steer > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4235/8680 - Release Date: 12/04/14 >