Thanks Julia and apologies for my delay in getting back to you while I get back online and work through a backlog of good intentions. You can put your transcriptions of the Liddon and Warden wills on GENUKI as e-mail attachments to Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk, perhaps with a note explaining their relationships. I hope they helped you with the LIDDON of Axminster. I noticed in some Google results that an Edward LIDDON MD of Taunton later became the owner of Weycroft Manor and one of the principal landowners around Axminster. Regarding the parents of the William LIDDON who married Hannah Parks WARDEN, FMP has the marriage of Matthew LIDDON and Sarah JAMES at Axminster in 1764. Ancestry's database of Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 has the marriage of James WARDEN and Elizabeth Newell CROUCHER at Chideock, Dorset. The PR image states that both were of that parish and married by Licence on 3 June 1779, but does not give their marital statuses (both of which you know to be widowed). Both signed their names. Ancestry's transcription incorrectly calls her Elizabeth NEWELL and says married by Banns. Ancestry's other database of England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973 also has the marriage of James WARDEN and Elizabeth Newell CROWCHER at Allington, Dorset in 1779 (transcription only, no image). Allington is 3 miles from Chideock so this is evidently another instance of associated parishes with the same vicar/curate making duplicate entries. I'm curious about James Warden RN. Despite the wealth of information on the Warden/Liddon Family page on the freshford server, it actually says very little about who James Warden was, where he was born, who his parents were, or about his early naval career, none of which appears in the public trees. And as you will have noticed, it does not mention his first wife (Elizabet/Betty) and claims his second wife Elizabeth Newell (sic) to be mother of the children by his first marriage, again reflecting those incomplete public trees. The same freshford domain also has another (very similar) Liddon/Warden page stating that James Warden RN lived at Sealands, Charmouth, before purchasing the Manor. Wikipedia has a page on James Warden but with less information than the freshford pages, except for his (alleged) birth year of 1736 (perhaps taken from his tombstone?), but no place of birth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Warden Both Wikipedia and the freshford site would obviously benefit from correction regarding the two marriages, with a bit more about the LIDDON side of the family, in order to better explain the pedigree of the various LIDDON-WARDEN descendents. Neither Ancestry, FMP or FamilySearch offer any credible marriage of James Warden to any Betty or Elizabeth, the nearest being shortly after the birth/baptism of their eldest child, which is not as convincing as you might wish: Ancestry: England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973 James Warden & Elizabeth Duke at Westham,Sussex on 23 Oct 1763. Ancestry (Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812) also has the burial of Elizabeth WARDEN, spouse of James WARDEN at Wyke Regis, Dorset on 23 June 1773. as clearly shown on the associated PR image. There was a WARDEN family in Cranborne, Dorset, but with no online evidence of James. Perhaps he was born and first married outside of Dorset, sometime earlier in his naval career, but settled with his first wife at Wyke Regis owing to its proximity to the naval base in Portland Bay. You might discover more by posting on Dorset-L or contacting the owner of the freshford site. Good luck with your research. Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Julia Crawley via Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:11 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] MATTHEW LIDDON Thank you Martin and also Joy [though I have thanked Joy direst] for the input you both have given me. I have spent the last few days sorting and collating all I have found and think the most likely parents of Matthew Liddon [husband of Ann Warden] is Matthew Liddon and Deborah Bunter who married in 1748. Their son Matthew was bap. 1763 in Axminster [familysearch] and I have the names of all their other children. I now have to find absolute proof! I have sent away to the Dorset Record Office for Matthew Liddon's will which was proved in 1803. Hopefully this will be for the husband of Ann Warden and will give his profession. His marriage which was in the Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette of 27 Aug 1789 and stated "Lately was married, at Axminster, Matthew Liddon, Esq., of Weycroft House to Miss Ann Warden, youngest daughter of James Warden esq., of Charmouth". Makes me think he may not have been in the Navy at all. If this is the correct Matthew then he would be the cousin of the Matthew Liddon [1792-1869] of Northwest Passage fame, as another son of Matthew and Deborah was John Bunter Liddon father of said Matthew. Hope this makes sense. Another problem I have is Ann Warden's older sister Hannah Parks Warden married a Liddon as well [?cousin ?brother to Matthew] - William Liddon [c1765-1831]. I haven't verified his parents either or his birth date. They married 1791 at Axminster. He died 19 March 1831 at Kilmington and buried there aged 66. [Source - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette and Devon burials on fmp]. I know this is the right William as when his wife died in Exeter in 1849 at the age of 86 she was reported in the Gentleman's Magazine as being the relict of W. Liddon, Esq., of Kilmington Cottage. His parents could be Matthew and Sarah Liddon [?maiden name] Married 14 Dec 1764 Axminster. William Liddon Bap. 11 Jan 1765 Axminster Siblings - Ann 18 Dec 1766 Elizabeth bap 5 Mar 1773 Sarah 3 May 1771 Ann 28 April 1775 Re the Warden/Liddon webpage - I have seen this and must agree it is so interesting and informative. Matthew Liddon and Ann Warden are my fourth great grandparents and their daughter Ann Warden Liddon and her husband Sir Richard Spencer my third great grandparents. The original paintings of Sir Richard and his wife are at the Old Farm down at Albany in Western Australia which I have been to a number of times. And having mentioned the Warden/Liddon page here lies another problem [and maybe this should be directed to the Dorset list] - Ann Warden and Hannah Parks Warden's mother on many trees is given as Elizabeth Newell Puddicombe [1751-1798] but I don't think this is correct. She was James Warden's second wife and they married in 1779. She had been married firstly to James Crowcher in 1770 in Lyme Regis. He died in 1778 and I don't think there were any children. Ann, Hannah Parks and their brother William Weekes Wharton Warden were all born between 1763 and 1766 when Elizabeth Newell Puddicombe would have been between 12 and 15 years of age!! The baptismal records of Ann and Hannah state they are the daughters of James and Betty Warden and they were baptised at Wyke Regis, Dorset. I haven't found a bap. record for William as yet. Interestingly there is a burial record for Elizabeth wife of James Warden in Wyke Regis in June 1773. Who she was I don't know. And this is where the mistake has been made with both their Christian names being Elizabeth. Originally what roused my curiosity about the real mother of the Warden children was Elizabeth Newell Warden's will written in March 1778 in Axminster and the way she mentioned the bequests eg. "I give and bequeath to Hannah Parks Liddon wife of William Liddon of Axminster gentleman my large India Bureau and Cabinet now at Langmoor.............that belonged to her mother"; "also I give and bequeath to William Weekes Wharton Warden all the clothes that were his late father's................." and "I give and bequeath to Ann Liddon wife of Matthew Liddon of Axminster gentleman a pair of Bracelets the one containing her late father's picture and the other his hair a set of Tea China that belonged to her mother...........". It didn't sound like she was talking about her own children. Martin you mentioned putting transcriptions of wills on Genuki - very happy to do so. I have transcribed the above and also James Warden's will. How do I go about it? I have just remembered a few years ago I sent an article to Genuki Devon I wrote about my gx2 grandmother Grace Cockburn-Campbell [nee Spence] and her connection to Devon which you may be interested in reading. They connect to the Warden/Liddon family by a grand-daughter of Ann Warden Liddon marrying a son of Grace and her husband Alexander Cockburn-Campbell, Thomas Cockburn-Campbell who was born in Exeter in 1845. I think I had better close and I thank you both very much for your help. Regards, Julia -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:36:10 -0000 From: "Martin Beavis" <beavis.history@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] To: <joy.langdon@btinternet.com>, <devon@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <42A763B17DA74A37AFBB530AAA3907C4@Martin2011> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Julia - Your post aroused my curiosity because in my youth I used to bike-ride in those parts and go fishing just upstream from Weycroft Mill and Manor. Nowadays those properties are a Christian centre, wedding venue and holiday cottages (http://www.task-centre.org.uk/index.php). Going back in time, the Warden/Liddon webpage that Joy found gives plenty of fascinating detail about the marriage of Matthew Liddon and Ann Warden and their children but nothing about Matthew himself except that he was allegedly a Captain from Furzeleigh, Axminster. Captain of what? Does the marriage announcement use that title (as one might expect) or just plain Mr? I expect you have found loads by searching Google for [Liddon Axminster] but the most relevant hits include: Life and Letters of Henry Parry Liddon, the Canon of St Pauls, son of Matthew's naval nephew (?) https://archive.org/details/a610773000johnuoft See pages 1 & 2: "In the early part of the eighteenth century a branch of the Liddon family migrated from Delford [Dulford], near Broadhembury, to Axminster; and there Matthew Liddon [RN, North West Passage] was born in 1791." It sounds like your Liddon were property-owning gentry, but there was, however, already a Liddon family in Axminster, so you might need to distinguish between them, or work out how they might have been related: http://genforum.genealogy.com/lyddon/messages/38.html - pedigree of Liddon family of Axminster Other Google results include: http://www.foda.org.uk/oaths/QS17/2/2/18.htm - 1723, some Liddon were illiterate http://www.foda.org.uk/freeholders/QS7/28/axminster.htm - 1751 Liddon = yeoman, tanner, soapboiler http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Axminster/AxminsterresidentsintheGreatUn iversalDirectoryof1794.htm - 1794, search for several Liddon = tanner, farmer, mantua maker (mantua = loose women's gown, as in loose gown, not loose women) http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rPUGAAAAQAAJ - "Furslegh, consisting of about seventy-four acres, was sold in fee, in 1809, to the tenant Mr. Amos Liddon, a surgeon of Axminster" http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/N13990472 - Liddon, family of Axminster, 1660-1876: deeds, wills and papers (but don't get too excited - no details online) FMP is free this weekend - so Search Records --> dropdown --> Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records search for Last name = Liddon inc name variants, Optional keyword = Axminster, everything else blank --> results from 1681 onwards with several marriages within your timeframe, including some Liddon of Axminster who married elsewhere, but no early baptisms or burials. FMP also has Liddon BMDs in Broadhembury before 1700. Ancestry has facsimile images of several PCC wills that might reveal family relationships: Samuel Liddon, Clothier proved 21 Jun 1742 Axminster, Devon, England Jonathan Liddon 17 Jan 1748 Chard, Somerset, England Amos Liddon, Gent 14 Aug 1782 Axminster, Devon, England William Liddon, Gent 16 Jan 1796 Axminster, Devon, England Grace Lyddon 2 Jan 1772 Chardstock, Dorset, England but the handwriting will be hard to read. If you can manage any transcriptions (either full or abstracted), then it would be nice to put them on Genuki Axminster. Turning to less reliable options, Ancestry has about 25 public trees for the Liddon family of Axminster and Charmouth. Beginning with the Nixon tree, which promises most sources, and then following the Bunter name to the Ledden tree (not the born in the USA Ledden Family Tree!) and the Shelden tree, we derive a possible relationship, that: Amos Liddon (b 1709) was father of Matthew Liddon/Lyddon (b 1727 or 1733) who married Deborah Bunter (b 1730). Their children included (1) John Bunter Liddon (1753-1811) who married Mary Hill (1753-1799), whose children included the Matthew Liddon (b 1792) who became the naval officer on the North West Passage expedition, and (2) the Matthew Liddon (1763-1803) who married Ann Warden (1770-1849). That is a superficial composite - but does seem consistent with the marriage and baptism that Joy reported. And finally, for a few thousand GBP you can buy Liddon family heirlooms: http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/LotDetailsPrintable.aspx?intObjectID=2945 505 http://www.rldavids.force9.co.uk/northwest.htm Good hunting! Martin -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 12:00 PM To: Julia Crawley ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] There is a baptism at Axminster 27 Dec 1763, Matthew LIDDON son of Matthew and Deborah: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Q3-GJ7 You can find other baptisms of Matthew and Deborah's children on Familysearch which may provide the link to the nephew you mention. There is a marriage 13 Jun 1748 Upper Cerne, Dorset Matthew Lyddon and Deborah Bunter The Axminster Liddons did have Dorset connections. There is a Sun Fire Office insurance document on National Archives: "Insured Deborah Liddon, Cundlewake, Caundle bishops Dorset, widow. Other property or occupiers: Axminster, Devon (John Bunter Liddon, farmer)" This website says the Liddons were farmers and clothiers: http://www.freshford.com/warden.htm There are several references on the National Archives to Matthew Liddon, Axminster which may refer to his father: A bastardy bond dated 1759 refers to Matthew Liddon of Axminster, chandler. A Deed of Poll dated 1762 and various other documents refer to Matthew Liddon, Axminster, Tanner. (Search the National Archives Discovery for "Liddon Axminster"). Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 03/11/2014 - 10:41 (GMTST) To : DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802] Hello list, I am trying to find out more about Matthew Liddon born around 1770 and died about 1802. I don't know where he was born or where he died or who his parents were. He may have been in the Navy. In 1789 in Axminster he married Ann Warden daughter of James Warden of Charmouth and his wife Elizabeth. There was mention of this marriage in one of the newspapers of the time which stated Matthew was of Weycroft House. They had six children - James Warden, Elizabeth, Sophia Jackson, Ann Warden, Lucy and Matthew John. I believe he had a nephew also called Matthew Liddon who accompanied Captain William Parry of Northwest Passage fame and the father of Henry Parry Liddon, Canon of St Paul's. Hoping someone can help. Regards, Julia ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FMP transcription has bride's parish as Swanwick, witnesses Clare Rawlins, Thos. Read. No mention of groom's parish. https://familysearch.org/ has baptism: Mary Hammett 13 Dec 1801 Swanage, Dorset, parents William and Anna Hammett. Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 22/12/2014 - 16:12 (GMTST) To : pops.hammett@tesco.net, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [DEV] Hammett Death and Marriage Sorry, I missed a trick last night - Edna had already identified William's first wife as Hannah Rawlins in the will of Thomas Rawlins of Swanage . FMP has marriage of William HAMMETT and Anna RAWLINS at Melcombe Regis, Dorset, in 1801. Transcription, no image. Ancestry has: Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 Name: Wm Hammett Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 2 Sep 1801 Parish: Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England Spouse's Name: Anna Bastias The associated PR image states Wm Hammett of the North Devon Militia of the Parish of B???? and Anna ???? [doubtfully transcribed as Bastias] of the parish of ???? Spinster were married in this Church [MelcombeRegis, Dorset] by Banns, the seventh [not second] day of September 1801. William signed, Anna marked. Witness Clare Raw??? ???? [mother or sister of bride?] Can anyone else help Peter with those two parish names? The will was dated 8 October 1819 so Hannah/Anna Hammett obviously died after that date and before William's second (or possibly third?) marriage in 1835. Regards - Martin -----Original Message----- From: PETER HAMMETT via Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:26 PM To: devon-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Hammett Death and Marriage Does any one have access to BMD's for Torrington and Barnstaple C 1820 - 1840. I am searching for the Death of Ann or Anna or Hannah Hammett wife of William. Some time before 1802 he married Hannah Rawlins but I cannot find her marriage or her death, after she died William remarried probable C1835/8. Any help would be most welcome ...... Peter Hammett in UK ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, I missed a trick last night - Edna had already identified William's first wife as Hannah Rawlins in the will of Thomas Rawlins of Swanage . FMP has marriage of William HAMMETT and Anna RAWLINS at Melcombe Regis, Dorset, in 1801. Transcription, no image. Ancestry has: Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 Name: Wm Hammett Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 2 Sep 1801 Parish: Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England Spouse's Name: Anna Bastias The associated PR image states Wm Hammett of the North Devon Militia of the Parish of B???? and Anna ???? [doubtfully transcribed as Bastias] of the parish of ???? Spinster were married in this Church [MelcombeRegis, Dorset] by Banns, the seventh [not second] day of September 1801. William signed, Anna marked. Witness Clare Raw??? ???? [mother or sister of bride?] Can anyone else help Peter with those two parish names? The will was dated 8 October 1819 so Hannah/Anna Hammett obviously died after that date and before William's second (or possibly third?) marriage in 1835. Regards - Martin -----Original Message----- From: PETER HAMMETT via Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:26 PM To: devon-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Hammett Death and Marriage Does any one have access to BMD's for Torrington and Barnstaple C 1820 - 1840. I am searching for the Death of Ann or Anna or Hannah Hammett wife of William. Some time before 1802 he married Hannah Rawlins but I cannot find her marriage or her death, after she died William remarried probable C1835/8. Any help would be most welcome ...... Peter Hammett in UK ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From DFHS CD for Deanery of Torrington a possible candidate Ann Hammett, buried 13 May 1831, Great Torrington age 68. Roy On 22/12/2014 14:26, PETER HAMMETT via wrote: > Does any one have access to BMD's for Torrington and Barnstaple C 1820 - 1840. > > I am searching for the Death of Ann or Anna or Hannah Hammett wife of William. > > Some time before 1802 he married Hannah Rawlins but I cannot find her marriage or her death, after she died William remarried probable C1835/8. > > Any help would be most welcome ...... Peter Hammett in UK > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great Torrington baptisms : 1813-1839 is available from the Devon FHS. Post 1837 BDM index are included on Findmypast and FreeBMD. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PETER HAMMETT via Sent: 22 December 2014 14:26 To: devon-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Hammett Death and Marriage Does any one have access to BMD's for Torrington and Barnstaple C 1820 - 1840. I am searching for the Death of Ann or Anna or Hannah Hammett wife of William. Some time before 1802 he married Hannah Rawlins but I cannot find her marriage or her death, after she died William remarried probable C1835/8. Any help would be most welcome ...... Peter Hammett in UK ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Answered offline. ian in perth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Carter" devon@rootsweb.com To:"devon@rootsweb.com" Cc: Sent:Mon, 22 Dec 2014 06:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject:[DEV] Probate lookup please Can someone please lookup the Probate entry on ancestry forRev. George EWBANK d.1911and Dr. Edmund Lewis ARCHER D.1941 ThankyouHelen ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any one have access to BMD's for Torrington and Barnstaple C 1820 - 1840. I am searching for the Death of Ann or Anna or Hannah Hammett wife of William. Some time before 1802 he married Hannah Rawlins but I cannot find her marriage or her death, after she died William remarried probable C1835/8. Any help would be most welcome ...... Peter Hammett in UK

It is worth reading the National Archives Research Guide, particularly Section 8 regarding Local Militia Lists and the ballot system. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/armed-forces-1522 -1914.htm Merry Christmas to all. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce via Sent: 22 December 2014 11:27 To: Martin Beavis; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Fwd: North Devon Militia This digitised book may be useful: http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008592614 "Historical records of the 1st Devon Militia (4th Battalion the Devonshire Regiment) : with a notice of the 2nd and North Devon Militia regiments" by Colonel H. Walrond, 4th Batt. the Devonshire Regiment. p423 refers to The North Devon Militia 1758 to its disbandment in 1853 and replacement by the Devon Artillery. Generally Militia, Yeomanry and Volunteers were quite separate organisations (there's often a bit of class distinction going on!) but I'm sure oddities will have occurred. Adrian On 22/12/2014 01:10, Martin Beavis via wrote: > ... the North Devon Militia. Perhaps someone could tell us how those > volunteer/militia units were set up and merged, .... > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This digitised book may be useful: http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008592614 "Historical records of the 1st Devon Militia (4th Battalion the Devonshire Regiment) : with a notice of the 2nd and North Devon Militia regiments" by Colonel H. Walrond, 4th Batt. the Devonshire Regiment. p423 refers to The North Devon Militia 1758 to its disbandment in 1853 and replacement by the Devon Artillery. Generally Militia, Yeomanry and Volunteers were quite separate organisations (there's often a bit of class distinction going on!) but I'm sure oddities will have occurred. Adrian On 22/12/2014 01:10, Martin Beavis via wrote: > ... the North Devon Militia. Perhaps someone could tell us how those > volunteer/militia units were set up and merged, .... >

Thankyou Peter Helen   From: Peter via <devon@rootsweb.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 22 December 2014, 14:41 Subject: Re: [DEV] Probate lookup please Helen, For Ewbank 1911 the only entry seems to this one: EWBANK Arthur George of Brookfield Colyton Devonshire died 29 May 1911 at Torr House Chagford Devonshire Probate London 10 June to Dorothy Margaret Ewbank widow. Effects £1365 12s. 9d. Not certain if this is your man. For Archer 1941: ARCHER Edmond Lewis of Hillcrest Littleham Exmouth Devonshire died 13 January 1941 Probate Llandudno 9 April to Frances Ethel Satchel spinster and Ralph Lewis Archer solicitor. Effects £17310 9s. 4d. HTH Peter Subject: [DEV] Probate lookup please Can someone please lookup the Probate entry on ancestry forRev. George EWBANK d.1911and Dr. Edmund Lewis ARCHER D.1941 ThankyouHelen ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Helen You can now look up all post 1858 wills, for free, at https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate. Once found you can order a copy of the will online. Jack -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helen Carter via Sent: 22 December 2014 06:15 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Probate lookup please Can someone please lookup the Probate entry on ancestry forRev. George EWBANK d.1911and Dr. Edmund Lewis ARCHER D.1941 ThankyouHelen ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martin Thanks for that find Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida On 12/21/2014 8:10 PM, Martin Beavis via wrote: > Yes, Peter - he did get an army pension. The 1851 census of Barnstaple > finds William HAMMETT, age 77 [so born ca 1773/74], Chelsea Pensioner, born > Torrington, with a much younger wife Mary Ann, 46, milliner, born > Barnstaple, and son William, 12, born Barnstaple. I do not find this > family in 1841 or 1861. This couple may be the William HAMMETT and Mary Ann > DOWDLE who married at Barnstaple in 1835. She may have been his second > wife. There may have been older children no longer at home in 1851, and/or > children from an earlier marriage. > > Kenneth: Your John GOOD of 1803 is probably the Private in this 1800 > listing on Genuki > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/MilitiaLists/NorthDevonMilitia1800.html > > I have a passing interest in the North Devon Militia because in 1794 the > veteran Colonel Henry BEAVIS was the first Commander of the Barnstaple > Volunteers. I believe that unit became part of the North Devon Yeomanry and > later the North Devon Militia. Perhaps someone could tell us how those > volunteer/militia units were set up and merged, and where and when they saw > service. I believe the North Devon Militia was used to suppress rioting in > Bideford and may have been used to support Customs officers in Devon and > Cornwall, but did serve overseas in the Boer War. > > Regards - Martin Beavis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Bruce via > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:25 PM > To: PETER HAMMETT ; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Fwd: North Devon Militia > > 1. If you search TNA's Discovery Catalogue for the name "Hammett" in WO > 97/1099, you will find your chap, viz: > Reference: WO 97/1099/18 > Description: > WILLIAM HAMMETT > Born TORRINGTON, Devonshire > Served in Devonshire Militia > Discharged aged 46 > Date: 1792-1819 > > WO 97/1099 is described as "Local Regiments (Militia)" and is within the > discharge documents in the Royal Hospital Chelsea Soldiers' Service > Documents. > > 2. The images of his document (2 pages) can be found on FindMyPast. FMP > records his birthplace and date of original enlistment, plus his service > and description. No family details. > > 3. Bearing in mind that the Army was reluctant to give out "long > service" pensions for regular soldiers, I was quite surprised to find a > member of the militia apparently receiving a pension - classically, > militia men only turned out if they were needed, which doesn't sound > like it would attract a pension. I guess the caveat is that we know > Chelsea had the documents but we have no direct evidence of a pension. > Alternatively it may be that WH was actually embodied (i.e. in uniform) > all the time, which service I guess would count towards a pension. > Certainly Google throws up plenty of references to pensions in the more > senior ranks of the militia. > > Adrian > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Peter thanks for the tip -- I will follow up Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida On 12/21/2014 2:36 PM, Peter J Richardson wrote: > Peter and Kenneth, > > The National Archives have digitized a lot of the Chelsea Pension records in > conjunction with Find My Past. That would probably be a good place to start > if you have not done so. > > My ancestor, George Cockrem b.c.1786 Silverton served in the South > Gloucestershire regiment, so the North Devon were not the only regiment > recruiting in Devon. Once you have established the regiment in which he > served beyond doubt you can then see what regimental records have survived > and where they are. In the case of my ancestor's regiment there are > muster-rolls and payment records held at the National Archives, and from > those I have managed to establish some of where my ancestor served. > > Regards > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Kenneth Scott via > Sent: 21 December 2014 19:10 > To: PETER HAMMETT; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Fwd: North Devon Militia > > Peter: > > I would be interested in knowing your sources for the information on William > Hammett. I have a John Good (gggggrandfather) listed on the Militia List > 1803, Parish of St David's, Exeter but who was born about 1763, probably in > Barnstaple and who was in that city as late as 1788. I wonder if he might > show up on your 1800 or any other lists you have looked at. > > regards > > Kenneth Scott > Dunedin, Florida > > On 12/21/2014 10:56 AM, PETER HAMMETT via wrote: >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >> From: PETER HAMMETT <pops.hammett@tesco.net> >> To: devon-l-@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:49:59 -0000 (UTC) >> Subject: North Devon Militia >> >> Good Afternoon List ...... I wonder if there is anyone who is familiar > with the Devon Militia, I have an interest in William Hammett who served in > the North Devon Militia, he was a Cpl in 1800 and a Sgt in 1819, and I > beleive he was born in Barnstaple C 1777. Can any one help with any info > on this chap ....partcularly with his place/date of birth and any > marriage(s) and children. He appears to have been a long time member of the > militia, so would he have received a pension when he was discharged .... and > did Militia men qualify as Chelsea pentioners ??? > >

Helen, For Ewbank 1911 the only entry seems to this one: EWBANK Arthur George of Brookfield Colyton Devonshire died 29 May 1911 at Torr House Chagford Devonshire Probate London 10 June to Dorothy Margaret Ewbank widow. Effects £1365 12s. 9d. Not certain if this is your man. For Archer 1941: ARCHER Edmond Lewis of Hillcrest Littleham Exmouth Devonshire died 13 January 1941 Probate Llandudno 9 April to Frances Ethel Satchel spinster and Ralph Lewis Archer solicitor. Effects £17310 9s. 4d. HTH Peter Subject: [DEV] Probate lookup please Can someone please lookup the Probate entry on ancestry forRev. George EWBANK d.1911and Dr. Edmund Lewis ARCHER D.1941 ThankyouHelen

Can someone please lookup the Probate entry on ancestry forRev. George EWBANK d.1911and Dr. Edmund Lewis ARCHER D.1941 ThankyouHelen

Yes, Peter - he did get an army pension. The 1851 census of Barnstaple finds William HAMMETT, age 77 [so born ca 1773/74], Chelsea Pensioner, born Torrington, with a much younger wife Mary Ann, 46, milliner, born Barnstaple, and son William, 12, born Barnstaple. I do not find this family in 1841 or 1861. This couple may be the William HAMMETT and Mary Ann DOWDLE who married at Barnstaple in 1835. She may have been his second wife. There may have been older children no longer at home in 1851, and/or children from an earlier marriage. Kenneth: Your John GOOD of 1803 is probably the Private in this 1800 listing on Genuki http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/MilitiaLists/NorthDevonMilitia1800.html I have a passing interest in the North Devon Militia because in 1794 the veteran Colonel Henry BEAVIS was the first Commander of the Barnstaple Volunteers. I believe that unit became part of the North Devon Yeomanry and later the North Devon Militia. Perhaps someone could tell us how those volunteer/militia units were set up and merged, and where and when they saw service. I believe the North Devon Militia was used to suppress rioting in Bideford and may have been used to support Customs officers in Devon and Cornwall, but did serve overseas in the Boer War. Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce via Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:25 PM To: PETER HAMMETT ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Fwd: North Devon Militia 1. If you search TNA's Discovery Catalogue for the name "Hammett" in WO 97/1099, you will find your chap, viz: Reference: WO 97/1099/18 Description: WILLIAM HAMMETT Born TORRINGTON, Devonshire Served in Devonshire Militia Discharged aged 46 Date: 1792-1819 WO 97/1099 is described as "Local Regiments (Militia)" and is within the discharge documents in the Royal Hospital Chelsea Soldiers' Service Documents. 2. The images of his document (2 pages) can be found on FindMyPast. FMP records his birthplace and date of original enlistment, plus his service and description. No family details. 3. Bearing in mind that the Army was reluctant to give out "long service" pensions for regular soldiers, I was quite surprised to find a member of the militia apparently receiving a pension - classically, militia men only turned out if they were needed, which doesn't sound like it would attract a pension. I guess the caveat is that we know Chelsea had the documents but we have no direct evidence of a pension. Alternatively it may be that WH was actually embodied (i.e. in uniform) all the time, which service I guess would count towards a pension. Certainly Google throws up plenty of references to pensions in the more senior ranks of the militia. Adrian ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1. If you search TNA's Discovery Catalogue for the name "Hammett" in WO 97/1099, you will find your chap, viz: Reference: WO 97/1099/18 Description: WILLIAM HAMMETT Born TORRINGTON, Devonshire Served in Devonshire Militia Discharged aged 46 Date: 1792-1819 WO 97/1099 is described as "Local Regiments (Militia)" and is within the discharge documents in the Royal Hospital Chelsea Soldiers' Service Documents. 2. The images of his document (2 pages) can be found on FindMyPast. FMP records his birthplace and date of original enlistment, plus his service and description. No family details. 3. Bearing in mind that the Army was reluctant to give out "long service" pensions for regular soldiers, I was quite surprised to find a member of the militia apparently receiving a pension - classically, militia men only turned out if they were needed, which doesn't sound like it would attract a pension. I guess the caveat is that we know Chelsea had the documents but we have no direct evidence of a pension. Alternatively it may be that WH was actually embodied (i.e. in uniform) all the time, which service I guess would count towards a pension. Certainly Google throws up plenty of references to pensions in the more senior ranks of the militia. Adrian

Peter and Kenneth, The National Archives have digitized a lot of the Chelsea Pension records in conjunction with Find My Past. That would probably be a good place to start if you have not done so. My ancestor, George Cockrem b.c.1786 Silverton served in the South Gloucestershire regiment, so the North Devon were not the only regiment recruiting in Devon. Once you have established the regiment in which he served beyond doubt you can then see what regimental records have survived and where they are. In the case of my ancestor's regiment there are muster-rolls and payment records held at the National Archives, and from those I have managed to establish some of where my ancestor served. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Scott via Sent: 21 December 2014 19:10 To: PETER HAMMETT; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Fwd: North Devon Militia Peter: I would be interested in knowing your sources for the information on William Hammett. I have a John Good (gggggrandfather) listed on the Militia List 1803, Parish of St David's, Exeter but who was born about 1763, probably in Barnstaple and who was in that city as late as 1788. I wonder if he might show up on your 1800 or any other lists you have looked at. regards Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida On 12/21/2014 10:56 AM, PETER HAMMETT via wrote: > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: PETER HAMMETT <pops.hammett@tesco.net> > To: devon-l-@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:49:59 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: North Devon Militia > > Good Afternoon List ...... I wonder if there is anyone who is familiar with the Devon Militia, I have an interest in William Hammett who served in the North Devon Militia, he was a Cpl in 1800 and a Sgt in 1819, and I beleive he was born in Barnstaple C 1777. Can any one help with any info on this chap ....partcularly with his place/date of birth and any marriage(s) and children. He appears to have been a long time member of the militia, so would he have received a pension when he was discharged .... and did Militia men qualify as Chelsea pentioners ??? >

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: PETER HAMMETT <pops.hammett@tesco.net> To: devon-l-@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:49:59 -0000 (UTC) Subject: North Devon Militia Good Afternoon List ...... I wonder if there is anyone who is familiar with the Devon Militia, I have an interest in William Hammett who served in the North Devon Militia, he was a Cpl in 1800 and a Sgt in 1819, and I beleive he was born in Barnstaple C 1777. Can any one help with any info on this chap ....partcularly with his place/date of birth and any marriage(s) and children. He appears to have been a long time member of the militia, so would he have received a pension when he was discharged .... and did Militia men qualify as Chelsea pentioners ??? Thank you all for any help .... and Best Wishes for XMAS ..... Peter Hammett in UK

Peter: I would be interested in knowing your sources for the information on William Hammett. I have a John Good (gggggrandfather) listed on the Militia List 1803, Parish of St David's, Exeter but who was born about 1763, probably in Barnstaple and who was in that city as late as 1788. I wonder if he might show up on your 1800 or any other lists you have looked at. regards Kenneth Scott Dunedin, Florida On 12/21/2014 10:56 AM, PETER HAMMETT via wrote: > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: PETER HAMMETT <pops.hammett@tesco.net> > To: devon-l-@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:49:59 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: North Devon Militia > > Good Afternoon List ...... I wonder if there is anyone who is familiar with the Devon Militia, I have an interest in William Hammett who served in the North Devon Militia, he was a Cpl in 1800 and a Sgt in 1819, and I beleive he was born in Barnstaple C 1777. Can any one help with any info on this chap ....partcularly with his place/date of birth and any marriage(s) and children. He appears to have been a long time member of the militia, so would he have received a pension when he was discharged .... and did Militia men qualify as Chelsea pentioners ??? > > Thank you all for any help .... and Best Wishes for XMAS ..... Peter Hammett in UK > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >