Adrian, It's uptonpine ie Upton Pyne. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Adrian via Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:04 AM To: Devon List Subject: [DEV] NEWTON ST CYRES MARRIAGE 1671 James COCKES and Agnes ELLOTT were married in the parish church of Newton St Cyres on 21 May 1671. James came from the parish but Agnes did not. I have been unable (once again!) to decipher the name of her home parish. Can anyone help me, please? Adrian ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Denise Thank you very much for your help. Adrian On 26/01/2015 10:04, Denise Hunt wrote: > It s Upton Pine nowadays spelt Upton Pyne > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 26 Jan 2015, at 09:04, Adrian via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> James COCKES and Agnes ELLOTT were married in the parish church of >> Newton St Cyres on 21 May 1671. James came from the parish but Agnes did >> not. >> >> I have been unable (once again!) to decipher the name of her home parish. >> >> Can anyone help me, please? >> >> Adrian >>

It s Upton Pine nowadays spelt Upton Pyne Sent from my iPad > On 26 Jan 2015, at 09:04, Adrian via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > James COCKES and Agnes ELLOTT were married in the parish church of > Newton St Cyres on 21 May 1671. James came from the parish but Agnes did > not. > > I have been unable (once again!) to decipher the name of her home parish. > > Can anyone help me, please? > > Adrian > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James COCKES and Agnes ELLOTT were married in the parish church of Newton St Cyres on 21 May 1671. James came from the parish but Agnes did not. I have been unable (once again!) to decipher the name of her home parish. Can anyone help me, please? Adrian

Hi Charles, Obtaining the birth certificate of one of the children will confirm the mother's surname and is the most reliable way to find the information but I have found some circumstantial evidence that supports the John Hawker/Mary Ann Harris marriage at Marylebone 12 May 1837 as the likely one. Firstly the date (1823) eliminates the Mary Ann Stockton/John Hawker marriage if Mary Ann was born c1817. On the 1841 census a William and Susan Harris are listed in the same household at Chelsea as John and Mary Ann Hawker, both are aged about 20 (1841 census ages are rounded down). Possibly Mary Ann's siblings? Do you have access to FindMyPast? I have found a newspaper account 21 Mar 1857 of Mary Ann's inquest which mentions a brother in law Frederick Tranckle. There are several baptisms at Chelsea with parents Frederick and Susan Tranckle on Familysearch and on FreeBMD the names Susan Harris and Frederick Alexander Traenckle are included in the list of Marriages Sep 1851 at Lambeth. The inquest gave a verdict "the deceased died suddenly from extravasion of blood in the brain". I haven't been able to find the Tranckles in any of the census returns. Regards, Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 25/01/2015 - 08:39 (GMTST) To : peterj.martin@lineone.net, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [DEV] Baptism of Mary Ann Stockton circa 1817 in Bideford Thank you Peter,for your reply.There is a Mary Ann Hawker,who married a John Hawker,shown in the 1851 census,age 34 born Bideford.I have two marriages and was trying to find Mary Ann's maiden name.I have a child's details so will send for their birth certificate. Once again thanks for your reply,regards,Charles. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Peter,for your reply.There is a Mary Ann Hawker,who married a John Hawker,shown in the 1851 census,age 34 born Bideford.I have two marriages and was trying to find Mary Ann's maiden name.I have a child's details so will send for their birth certificate. Once again thanks for your reply,regards,Charles.

Charles, The event doesn't seem to exist. Where does the reference come from? Peter Subject: [DEV] Baptism of Mary Ann Stockton circa 1817 in Bideford In order to conduct a process of elimination,I would be grateful if sks could check for the above event. Regards,Charles.

In order to conduct a process of elimination,I would be grateful if sks could check for the above event. Regards,Charles.

Just a quick note to say that we will be closed to the public from 5 p.m. next Friday, 30th January, until 10 a.m. on Tuesday 17th February. In Barnstaple, the North Devon Local Studies Centre will be partially open, with local studies and library material, along with microform copies of original archives, available throughout the period, with the exception of Wednesdays, when the office is closed as usual. There will be no access to orginal records.Terry

Hi Joy, were you happy with the result of the marriage info ? are they the right ones ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: "Susan Young" <zandara@cogeco.ca>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 > Hi Susan, > > Thanks, I found the marriage from the Familysearch website so I have > already seen the transcription (and forwarded it to the FMP Customer > Services). > > Unfortunately, because I am a full time carer for someone who cannot be > left alone and only get a few hours a week free when someone sits in for > me, I am not likely to be visiting a Family History Centre in the near > future. > > Regards, > > Joy Langdon > > > ----Original message---- >>From : devon@rootsweb.com > Date : 23/01/2015 - 14:46 (GMTST) > To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com, > peter@basingstokecircuit.net > Subject : Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 > > Hi Joy, > > First, here is the direct link to the familysearch.org transcript of the > Worden/Bickle marriage: > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCS5-1DR > > Second, you have to be signed in on a computer at a Family History Centre > in > order to be able to click through the "Digital Folder Number" link to the > image. You can also access the digital folder by going to this link on > the > familysearch.org website and scrolling down to find the matching folder > number and clicking on that link: > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1804330/waypoints > > But, most importantly, you must be signed in at a Family History Centre to > their proprietary web portal in order to view the images of the registers. > > I hope this helps. > > Sincerely, > Susan D. Young > St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada > zandara@cogeco.ca > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Susan, Thanks, I found the marriage from the Familysearch website so I have already seen the transcription (and forwarded it to the FMP Customer Services). Unfortunately, because I am a full time carer for someone who cannot be left alone and only get a few hours a week free when someone sits in for me, I am not likely to be visiting a Family History Centre in the near future. Regards, Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 23/01/2015 - 14:46 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com, peter@basingstokecircuit.net Subject : Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 Hi Joy, First, here is the direct link to the familysearch.org transcript of the Worden/Bickle marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCS5-1DR Second, you have to be signed in on a computer at a Family History Centre in order to be able to click through the "Digital Folder Number" link to the image. You can also access the digital folder by going to this link on the familysearch.org website and scrolling down to find the matching folder number and clicking on that link: https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1804330/waypoints But, most importantly, you must be signed in at a Family History Centre to their proprietary web portal in order to view the images of the registers. I hope this helps. Sincerely, Susan D. Young St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada zandara@cogeco.ca ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not specifically related to Devon, but I am looking for a William MANN who died after 1943 in Qld. For all those who think and wonder what happened in the colony of Australia in the early years. Do not give up if the family tale says " that he jumped ship ". He may very well have done so. Bev The Queenslander (Brisbane, Qld. : 1866 - 1939) (about) Previous issue Saturday 2 November 1889 An old resident of the colony named William Mann died on Saturday in the Hospital at the age of 63 years. He had been thirty-nine yean in the colony, and had had a somewhat varied career. He came to Australia as the master of a vessel at about the time when the gold mania had assumed its most pronounced form in the Southern colony. His crew, attracted by the prospect which was offered them of making a fortune in a very short time, deserted the ship, and unable to replace them Mr. Mann was left stranded. He gave his vessel up and made his way to Queensland. He was chiefly engaged in railway bridge building and sub-contracting, and has worked on almost every line in the colony. He left aFix this text grown-up family of four.

Hi Joy, First, here is the direct link to the familysearch.org transcript of the Worden/Bickle marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCS5-1DR Second, you have to be signed in on a computer at a Family History Centre in order to be able to click through the "Digital Folder Number" link to the image. You can also access the digital folder by going to this link on the familysearch.org website and scrolling down to find the matching folder number and clicking on that link: https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.org/recapi/sord/collection/1804330/waypoints But, most importantly, you must be signed in at a Family History Centre to their proprietary web portal in order to view the images of the registers. I hope this helps. Sincerely, Susan D. Young St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada zandara@cogeco.ca

There is always a possibility that he may have been one of these but there isn't any circumstantial evidence to support the identification so it will be hard to prove it. The naming patterns of the children, for instance, are quite different and neither John nor later generations have any link to Liskeard or Poundstock whereas they do appear in the parishes 5 miles around Broadwoodwidger (Kelly, where John married and baptised his children is about 3 miles from Broadwoodwidger). The name Lancelot is very unusual and exotic for the Worden family and I just think it would be a huge coincidence if two Worden families within 3 miles of each other named a child Lancelot and weren't related, especially as the name appears to originate in the maternal family of the earlier John Worden. As it is John Worden c1753 remains a brick wall. Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 22/01/2015 - 20:05 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com, beavis.history@yahoo.co.uk Subject : Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 There is a baptism of a John Worden 8 Apr 1753 at Liskeard, son of John & Rebecca which is from the Jago Transcripts on the cornwall-opc database. There is another one 16 Nov 1754 at Poundstock to Richard & Mary from the bishop transcripts. Whether either of these are relevant will need further investigation. Peter Harris -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon via Sent: 22 January 2015 19:42 To: Martin Beavis; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 Thanks Martin, There is also a marriage at Broadwoodwidger 1721 of Lancelot Beckle and Margaret Daw. The name Lancelot is quite unusual so I don't think it is too reckless to assume that the John Worden who baptised a son Lancelot at Kelly in 1786 could be a descendant of William Worden and Margaret Bickle who also baptised a son Lancelot. I have looked for a John Worden baptism c1753in Cornwall with no luck so far. I am hoping that the marriage location is a parish that hasn't yet been transcribed and I can ask DRO to look for me. Regard, Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 22/01/2015 - 17:53 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 Joy - If Lancelot might be a clue, then FMP has BICKLE, Lancelott 1665 Devon Baptisms, Germansweek, Devon, England in the same general area of west Devon. Possible grandfather of Margaret BICKLE? Lots of WORDEN and BICKLE over the border in Cornwall. Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:10 PM To: Devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 There is a marriage on Familysearch 1746 of William Worden and Margaret Bickle. No other information about date or place given. The note says the index and image is on Findmypast but I can't find it! Can anyone tell me the date and location of this marriage? I think this may be the William and Margaret Worden who baptised several children at Broadwoodwidger between 1751 and 1761 including Lancelot 1759. I am looking for a baptism of John Worden c1754. John also named a child Lancelot (the only other Lancelot Worden I have found) and his oldest son and daughter were named William and Margaret so I am wondering if he was also the son of the above couple. There is also a suitable gap between William and Margaret's first child's baptism in 1751 and the next in 1759. Thanks, Joy Langdon ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a baptism of a John Worden 8 Apr 1753 at Liskeard, son of John & Rebecca which is from the Jago Transcripts on the cornwall-opc database. There is another one 16 Nov 1754 at Poundstock to Richard & Mary from the bishop transcripts. Whether either of these are relevant will need further investigation. Peter Harris -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon via Sent: 22 January 2015 19:42 To: Martin Beavis; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 Thanks Martin, There is also a marriage at Broadwoodwidger 1721 of Lancelot Beckle and Margaret Daw. The name Lancelot is quite unusual so I don't think it is too reckless to assume that the John Worden who baptised a son Lancelot at Kelly in 1786 could be a descendant of William Worden and Margaret Bickle who also baptised a son Lancelot. I have looked for a John Worden baptism c1753in Cornwall with no luck so far. I am hoping that the marriage location is a parish that hasn't yet been transcribed and I can ask DRO to look for me. Regard, Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 22/01/2015 - 17:53 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 Joy - If Lancelot might be a clue, then FMP has BICKLE, Lancelott 1665 Devon Baptisms, Germansweek, Devon, England in the same general area of west Devon. Possible grandfather of Margaret BICKLE? Lots of WORDEN and BICKLE over the border in Cornwall. Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:10 PM To: Devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 There is a marriage on Familysearch 1746 of William Worden and Margaret Bickle. No other information about date or place given. The note says the index and image is on Findmypast but I can't find it! Can anyone tell me the date and location of this marriage? I think this may be the William and Margaret Worden who baptised several children at Broadwoodwidger between 1751 and 1761 including Lancelot 1759. I am looking for a baptism of John Worden c1754. John also named a child Lancelot (the only other Lancelot Worden I have found) and his oldest son and daughter were named William and Margaret so I am wondering if he was also the son of the above couple. There is also a suitable gap between William and Margaret's first child's baptism in 1751 and the next in 1759. Thanks, Joy Langdon ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Martin, There is also a marriage at Broadwoodwidger 1721 of Lancelot Beckle and Margaret Daw. The name Lancelot is quite unusual so I don't think it is too reckless to assume that the John Worden who baptised a son Lancelot at Kelly in 1786 could be a descendant of William Worden and Margaret Bickle who also baptised a son Lancelot. I have looked for a John Worden baptism c1753in Cornwall with no luck so far. I am hoping that the marriage location is a parish that hasn't yet been transcribed and I can ask DRO to look for me. Regard, Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 22/01/2015 - 17:53 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 Joy - If Lancelot might be a clue, then FMP has BICKLE, Lancelott 1665 Devon Baptisms, Germansweek, Devon, England in the same general area of west Devon. Possible grandfather of Margaret BICKLE? Lots of WORDEN and BICKLE over the border in Cornwall. Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:10 PM To: Devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 There is a marriage on Familysearch 1746 of William Worden and Margaret Bickle. No other information about date or place given. The note says the index and image is on Findmypast but I can't find it! Can anyone tell me the date and location of this marriage? I think this may be the William and Margaret Worden who baptised several children at Broadwoodwidger between 1751 and 1761 including Lancelot 1759. I am looking for a baptism of John Worden c1754. John also named a child Lancelot (the only other Lancelot Worden I have found) and his oldest son and daughter were named William and Margaret so I am wondering if he was also the son of the above couple. There is also a suitable gap between William and Margaret's first child's baptism in 1751 and the next in 1759. Thanks, Joy Langdon ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for trying Elizabeth. I got a very unhelpful reply from FMP, I quote: "There can be various reasons why a record cannot be found online - not recorded as expected, indexing, different area, criteria entered etc. We have checked for the record and using the details provided have not been able to locate the record. We would suggest that you try different variations of the names when carrying out this search." I replied that I have tried all sort of alternatives including trawling through every marriage for 1746 in the Devon collection with groom with first name John. I attached a link to the FamilySearch record but have not heard anything since. I will try contacting Familysearch. Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 22/01/2015 - 16:22 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 Hi Joy , I wish I could have found this for you but FMP has no marriage that I can find of a Wm Worden or similar , nor of Margaret Bickle , though there is a particularly fertile Margery Bickle who the vicar records as having "second" , " third " bastard child , but although she or another Margery does marry its to Arthur . so no help to anyone . And there are Johns but again not B`widger , although North Lew and the nearby parishes Bridestowe , Marystow etc are tempting . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <Devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:10 PM Subject: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 > There is a marriage on Familysearch 1746 of William Worden and Margaret > Bickle. No other information about date or place given. The note says > the index and image is on Findmypast but I can't find it! Can anyone tell > me the date and location of this marriage? > I think this may be the William and Margaret Worden who baptised several > children at Broadwoodwidger between 1751 and 1761 including Lancelot 1759. > I am looking for a baptism of John Worden c1754. John also named a child > Lancelot (the only other Lancelot Worden I have found) and his oldest son > and daughter were named William and Margaret so I am wondering if he was > also the son of the above couple. There is also a suitable gap between > William and Margaret's first child's baptism in 1751 and the next in 1759. > Thanks, > Joy Langdon > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joy - If Lancelot might be a clue, then FMP has BICKLE, Lancelott 1665 Devon Baptisms, Germansweek, Devon, England in the same general area of west Devon. Possible grandfather of Margaret BICKLE? Lots of WORDEN and BICKLE over the border in Cornwall. Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:10 PM To: Devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 There is a marriage on Familysearch 1746 of William Worden and Margaret Bickle. No other information about date or place given. The note says the index and image is on Findmypast but I can't find it! Can anyone tell me the date and location of this marriage? I think this may be the William and Margaret Worden who baptised several children at Broadwoodwidger between 1751 and 1761 including Lancelot 1759. I am looking for a baptism of John Worden c1754. John also named a child Lancelot (the only other Lancelot Worden I have found) and his oldest son and daughter were named William and Margaret so I am wondering if he was also the son of the above couple. There is also a suitable gap between William and Margaret's first child's baptism in 1751 and the next in 1759. Thanks, Joy Langdon ------------------------------------------

Hi Joy , I wish I could have found this for you but FMP has no marriage that I can find of a Wm Worden or similar , nor of Margaret Bickle , though there is a particularly fertile Margery Bickle who the vicar records as having "second" , " third " bastard child , but although she or another Margery does marry its to Arthur . so no help to anyone . And there are Johns but again not B`widger , although North Lew and the nearby parishes Bridestowe , Marystow etc are tempting . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <Devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:10 PM Subject: [DEV] William WORDEN and Margaret BICKLE marriage 1746 > There is a marriage on Familysearch 1746 of William Worden and Margaret > Bickle. No other information about date or place given. The note says > the index and image is on Findmypast but I can't find it! Can anyone tell > me the date and location of this marriage? > I think this may be the William and Margaret Worden who baptised several > children at Broadwoodwidger between 1751 and 1761 including Lancelot 1759. > I am looking for a baptism of John Worden c1754. John also named a child > Lancelot (the only other Lancelot Worden I have found) and his oldest son > and daughter were named William and Margaret so I am wondering if he was > also the son of the above couple. There is also a suitable gap between > William and Margaret's first child's baptism in 1751 and the next in 1759. > Thanks, > Joy Langdon > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marie, I have found a lot about him in Trove but only about his time in Australia. I can find nothing about him being a Deserter in the Police Gazettes. Regards Gordon Bennett -----Original Message----- From: Marie McCulloch [mailto:tegmac@iinet.net.au] Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2015 9:38 AM To: elizabeth howard; Gordon Bennett; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] JOHN BENNETT If you cannot find him in Trove - remember they are not all done yet - then try the Police Gazettes - they mention deserters Marie -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard via Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:14 AM To: Gordon Bennett ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] JOHN BENNETT Hi, Euphrates appears not to be an HMS , there was one commissioned in 1847 but cancelled in 1849 , and a further one launched in 1863. ( Wikipedia) However there was an Indiaman Euphrates working between Australia and India and the West Indies in 1852 and Smith and Rodger of Govan launched a Euphrates , an iron clad cargo/passenger ship in 1854 . So I would imagine that your ancestor`s Euphrates would have been a commercial cargo/passenger ship . I had hoped to find him in the NA ADM lists of service records or on Britishnewspaperarchive .. or even on Trove .....desertion was usually noted . The marriage certificate of 1852 should have a note of the fathers names of bride and groom . Or perhaps the marriage register would have that information or some useful witness names. And any further Australian certificates are usually most generous in their lists of information about the deceased for instance . I have chased a John Bennett over hill and dale for many decades and know just how difficult they are to pin down , and you have a helpful list giving you three at least who might be THE one !!!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message -----