This continues Julia Crawley's LIDDON thread on Devon-L and her subsequent WARDEN enquiry on Dorset-L, so is copied to both lists, and also to Peter Press of the Pavey Group that maintains the Warden/Liddon page at http://www.freshford.com/warden.htm. Being curious about the identity of James WARDEN, I turned to the middle names of his children, Parks, Weekes and Wharton. I got lucky with PARKS but have not pursued the other two. James Warden was the son of Hugh WARDEN (24, mariner) and Sarah PARKS (21) who married on 5 Oct 1731 at the Collegiate Church of St Katherine by the Tower [of London], both of the Middlesex parish of St Anne's Limehouse. [Ancestry, London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 Birth, Baptism & Christening (image); Ancestry, London and Surrey, England, Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1597-1921 (2 results because of 2 images)] I don't find any record of James's birth/baptism but his mother Sarah was the daughter of William and Hannah Parks for whom Ancestry has Land Tax Records in St Anne, Limehouse (William 1767, Hannah 1781-1785) and full-text images of both their PCC Wills, neither of which mention any children. William's will (probate 1768) was very short, leaving everything to Hannah. I'm not very good at reading this old handwriting so do check my superficial interpretation of Hannah's will (1788) but it appears the principal beneficiaries were "James Warden of Charmouth in the county of Dorset Esquire the nephew of my late husband Captain William Parks Deceased" to whom she left a lifetime interest in her London properties, upon whose death they passed to "his son William Weekes Wharton Warden". She also made specific bequests to "Mrs Elizabeth Newell Warden wife of the said James Warden" (£100), to "Susannah Parks Warden the daughter of the said James Warden", to William Weekes Wharton Warden, to Ann Warden", and to various cousins whose JACKSON(?) surname might identify Hannah's maiden name. So James WARDEN's uncle, William PARKS, had a sister (most probably Sarah) who married a WARDEN (most probably Hugh). It seems that James followed his father's maritime profession and joined the Navy and that his Charmouth family inherited from his mother's side. As for Captain William PARKS - Captain of what? A google for "Lieut James Warden" finds a few results about his early career as a coastal Customs officer, apprehending smugglers on the east coast in command of HM Cutter "Adventure", including his presence in the Edinburgh port of Leith around 1764/66 (which may become relevant later). Despite commanding the vessel, it seems he was not certified as a competent Master and never achieved the rank of Captain. http://www.ageofnelson.org/MichaelPhillips/info.php?ref=5007 Online accounts of his subsequent wartime gallantry have a whiff of hyperbole but he appears to have served in the Downs Squadron guarding the Straits of Dover, protecting British shipping fromFrench privateers and blockading neutral ships from supplying military goods to French ports. http://tinyurl.com/Syrett-RNinEW - search for Wells or browse pages 100-109 His most auspicious(?) exploit appears to have been the taking of a Spanish vessel in 1779, for which a London merchant then sued the Admiralty for the loss of his legitimate cargo. http://www.bristolfamilyhistory.co.uk/pistols-at-dawn/ There are various accounts of the duel in which he died, a possible composite version being that it arose from a quarrel with his neighbour Norman Bond in which James threatened to shoot Bond's dogs that might have been taking game from his land. An alternative account was published in 1881 in the Western Antiquary, which also includes the full text of the awful poem on his tombstone, allegedly penned by his wife Eliza, together with an OTT inscription suggesting that Eliza played the merry widow before eventually finding redemption just before she died (though I suspect she may well have written that herself). http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook/The_Western_Antiquary_v1_1000544553#99 James WARDEN's PCC will of 1792 reveals not only that he effectively disinherited his son William Weekes Wharton WARDEN to the tune of just 20 pounds a year, with strings attached, but that he disowned and humiliated "my daughter Susannah Parks Liddon wife of William Liddon one shilling only". (I have seen that wording before, in a Devonshire STOOKE will: "to the [un-named] wife of my deceased brother one shilling only". Was that a commonly used device?) The main beneficiary was his wife Elizabeth who got all the Charmouth properties, the residual beneficiary being his younger daughter Ann, wife of Matthew LIDDON of Axminster. It would be interesting to know why James fell out with two of his children. By contrast, Elizabeth's PCC will of 1798 demonstrates her apparently cordial relationship with all three of her step-children. Ancestry also has the 1856 PCC will of William Weekes Wharton WARDEN of Chichester, Commander in the Royal Navy. in which his beneficiaries are his wife Elizabeth and daughters Sarah Ann WARDEN and Harriet Elizabeth wife of Samuel FORWARD "for her separate use free from the debts of her present or any future husband". A few years earlier, the 1851 census of Chichester has William Warden (80, Commander RN, born Edinglevigh, Scotland), Elizh Warden (68, wife, born KENT) and J A Warden (actually S[arah] A[nn] Warden, dau, 40 unm, born Axminster, Devon). I have not found any record of William's birth/baptism but his various 1856 death notices on BNA give his age as 90, implying born ca 1766, and Edingvleigh is probably Edinburgh, consistent with his father's presence in the nearby port of Leith about that time. In 1851 Samuel and Harriet FORWARD were living in Charmouth, he 60, born Axminster, army half pay, she 43 born St Oswyth, Devon, but later censuses correct her birthplace to St Osyth, Essex. The Warden/Liddon web page has William married to a different wife Mary Slinn. Was she a first wife? Finally, I concur with Julia's comments about James's first wife Betty/Elizabeth but still find no record of such marriage prior to the birth of their eldest child. I don't intend to pursue this disfunctional family any further so had better sign off now. The bottom line is that James Warden was not a nice man and probably got what was coming to him, but is a wonderful character to have in any family tree. Regards - Martin Beavis

Dear Martin: Many thanks. I had not seen the statement you quote - I had worked only from the document listing given later in Colin Chapman’s book. Now that I know what I am looking for I have done further searches of the PWDRO catalogue, and of the A2A in the National Archives copies of the Devon archive catalogues, and have found references to 1670 Turkish prisoner listings for the parishes of Yealmpton (at Plymouth), Colyton and Dartington (at Exeter), and Littleham nr Bideford (at Barnstaple) but nothing for Coldridge/Coleridge. I’ve written to PWDRO to see if they can help. Cheers Brian On 7 Mar 2015, at 22:15, Martin Beavis via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Brian - Chapman's Pre-1841 publication is a searchable Google Book, in which your Coldridge 1760 is a listing of named Coleridge (sic) contributors to a fund for the release of English prisoners of war held captive in Turkey. > http://tinyurl.com/Pre-1841-Chapman > Search for Devon and go to page 19. See also > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~adrianp/shobbrook/shob1to4.html > The original record held in Plymouth sounds similar to those in your Genuki listings of contributors to the rebuilding of St Paul's Cathedral > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/StPauls/ > > Regards - Martin Beavis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Hockie via > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:27 PM > To: 'Brian Randell' ; devon@rootsweb.com > Cc: 'Colin Chapman' > Subject: Re: [DEV] Finding an early Coldridge(?) census > > Brian, > > Any chance it is this form A2A: > > Title: List of addresses - apparently householders on whom militia could be > billeted > Reference: 272 A/PO 293 > Date: 1678 > Held by: Devon Heritage Centre (South West Heritage Trust), not > available at The National Archives > Language: English > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Randell via > Sent: 05 March 2015 18:09 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Cc: Colin Chapman; Brian Randell > Subject: [DEV] Finding an early Coldridge(?) census > > Hi: > > I'm seeking help in locating a document that is listed in Colin Chapman's > book "Pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings in the British Isles" as > "Coldridge 1670". This is not for my personal research, but rather it is in > connection with the long-running GENUKI/Devon project to make available > Devon's pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings - see > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/Pre-1841Census.html. > > Colin's book does not indicate which archive holds Coldridge 1670, but I've > checked with him and learned that he had been told (some thirty years ago, > when he was preparing the first edition of his book) that it was held in the > Plymouth Archives. > > Colin has now checked the PWDRO online catalogue > (http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/archivescatalogue) and cannot locate a Coldridge > 1670 file. To quote his message to me: > > "I see that there is a mention of an almost identical reference for > Yealmpton (ref 731) for 1670, so I am inclined to believe that I was > misinformed that the listing was for Coleridge/Coldridge, and it should be > for Yealmpton. (Though how anyone could confuse Coleridge/Coldridge with > Yealmpton, I have no idea!). I have not been in touch with the folk in > Plymouth, as I have only just found the possible answer to the dilemma, so I > cannot be 100% certain of this. Also I will not have a chance in the near > future to personally look at the original document in Plymouth." > > I've also done some searching of the PWDRO catalogue, and of the A2A > catalogue (now part of TNA's Discovery catalogue) - but without success. > > I already have a kind offer from Ros Haywood to transcribe the Coldridge > 1670 document if it can be found. (Ros transcribed Ottery St Mary 1700 for > me some time ago.) > > Is there anyone who will be visiting the PWDRO in the near future who would > like to try to solve this mystery for us (Just possibly the PWDRO staff > might be able to throw some light on this mystery.)? > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 > FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

----- Original Message ----- From: Don hamlyn To: DEVON-D-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 7:21 PM Subject: Fw: subscribe SEALEY family ----- Original Message ----- From: Don hamlyn To: DEVON-D-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 3:07 PM Subject: SEALEY family Seeking information about two men named Edward Sealey and their families of Teignmouth, Devon. I believe that they are father and son but have failed to establish a link between them. I am looking for birth/baptism and marriage of Edward senior born about 1765 and birth/baptism and death of Edward junior and any other information relating to these two and their families. It is possible Edward junior was born 1799 (information from UK Merchant Navy Seamen Records 1835-1941) Both men are recorded in the 1841 census At Back Lane, East Teignmouth was Edward Sealy 70 Gardener Mary Ann Sealy 68 At Willow Street, West Teignmouth was Edward Sealey 40 Mariner Lydia Sealey 40 also children, George 3 Elizabeth 11 Esther 5 Hariet 1 By the time of the 1851 census both Edwards, Mary and Harriet had died Edward senior died 20th January 1842 aged 76 (death certificate, informant was Elizabeth MURCH) In 1851 census At Chapel Street, West Teignmouth Lydia Seally Head W 54 F Charwoman Dover Hester " Dau U 15 F Teignmouth Thos " Son 8 M Teignmouth Harriet " Dau 4 F Teignmouth (Note Harriet above is the second child so named, first Harriet having died) Lydia's maiden name was DEAL, she and Edward were married at St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent, 18th November, 1821. They had children in Kent before moving to Teignmouth early 1830's. Lydia was a widow by 1851 (census) but Edward Sealey junior's death does not appear in civil registration BMD's. There are many variants in the spelling of the name Sealey including beginning with a Z. Thanks in anticipation for any information. Don Hamlyn

Hi Brian - Chapman's Pre-1841 publication is a searchable Google Book, in which your Coldridge 1760 is a listing of named Coleridge (sic) contributors to a fund for the release of English prisoners of war held captive in Turkey. http://tinyurl.com/Pre-1841-Chapman Search for Devon and go to page 19. See also http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~adrianp/shobbrook/shob1to4.html The original record held in Plymouth sounds similar to those in your Genuki listings of contributors to the rebuilding of St Paul's Cathedral http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/StPauls/ Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 6:27 PM To: 'Brian Randell' ; devon@rootsweb.com Cc: 'Colin Chapman' Subject: Re: [DEV] Finding an early Coldridge(?) census Brian, Any chance it is this form A2A: Title: List of addresses - apparently householders on whom militia could be billeted Reference: 272 A/PO 293 Date: 1678 Held by: Devon Heritage Centre (South West Heritage Trust), not available at The National Archives Language: English Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Randell via Sent: 05 March 2015 18:09 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Colin Chapman; Brian Randell Subject: [DEV] Finding an early Coldridge(?) census Hi: I'm seeking help in locating a document that is listed in Colin Chapman's book "Pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings in the British Isles" as "Coldridge 1670". This is not for my personal research, but rather it is in connection with the long-running GENUKI/Devon project to make available Devon's pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings - see http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/Pre-1841Census.html. Colin's book does not indicate which archive holds Coldridge 1670, but I've checked with him and learned that he had been told (some thirty years ago, when he was preparing the first edition of his book) that it was held in the Plymouth Archives. Colin has now checked the PWDRO online catalogue (http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/archivescatalogue) and cannot locate a Coldridge 1670 file. To quote his message to me: "I see that there is a mention of an almost identical reference for Yealmpton (ref 731) for 1670, so I am inclined to believe that I was misinformed that the listing was for Coleridge/Coldridge, and it should be for Yealmpton. (Though how anyone could confuse Coleridge/Coldridge with Yealmpton, I have no idea!). I have not been in touch with the folk in Plymouth, as I have only just found the possible answer to the dilemma, so I cannot be 100% certain of this. Also I will not have a chance in the near future to personally look at the original document in Plymouth." I've also done some searching of the PWDRO catalogue, and of the A2A catalogue (now part of TNA's Discovery catalogue) - but without success. I already have a kind offer from Ros Haywood to transcribe the Coldridge 1670 document if it can be found. (Ros transcribed Ottery St Mary 1700 for me some time ago.) Is there anyone who will be visiting the PWDRO in the near future who would like to try to solve this mystery for us (Just possibly the PWDRO staff might be able to throw some light on this mystery.)? Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul: I’d seen this entry, and dismissed it given the fact that the date differed, and that it seemed to be a list of addresses rather than names. However, if anyone seeing this and then visiting the DHC could take a quick look at 272 A/PO 293 and let me know of its contents I’d be very grateful. Many thanks Cheers Brian On 5 Mar 2015, at 18:27, Paul Hockie <paul.hockie@talk21.com> wrote: > Brian, > > Any chance it is this form A2A: > > Title: List of addresses - apparently householders on whom militia could be > billeted > Reference: 272 A/PO 293 > Date: 1678 > Held by: Devon Heritage Centre (South West Heritage Trust), not > available at The National Archives > Language: English > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Randell via > Sent: 05 March 2015 18:09 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Cc: Colin Chapman; Brian Randell > Subject: [DEV] Finding an early Coldridge(?) census > > Hi: > > I'm seeking help in locating a document that is listed in Colin Chapman's > book "Pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings in the British Isles" as > "Coldridge 1670". This is not for my personal research, but rather it is in > connection with the long-running GENUKI/Devon project to make available > Devon's pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings - see > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/Pre-1841Census.html. > > Colin's book does not indicate which archive holds Coldridge 1670, but I've > checked with him and learned that he had been told (some thirty years ago, > when he was preparing the first edition of his book) that it was held in the > Plymouth Archives. > > Colin has now checked the PWDRO online catalogue > (http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/archivescatalogue) and cannot locate a Coldridge > 1670 file. To quote his message to me: > > "I see that there is a mention of an almost identical reference for > Yealmpton (ref 731) for 1670, so I am inclined to believe that I was > misinformed that the listing was for Coleridge/Coldridge, and it should be > for Yealmpton. (Though how anyone could confuse Coleridge/Coldridge with > Yealmpton, I have no idea!). I have not been in touch with the folk in > Plymouth, as I have only just found the possible answer to the dilemma, so I > cannot be 100% certain of this. Also I will not have a chance in the near > future to personally look at the original document in Plymouth." > > I've also done some searching of the PWDRO catalogue, and of the A2A > catalogue (now part of TNA's Discovery catalogue) - but without success. > > I already have a kind offer from Ros Haywood to transcribe the Coldridge > 1670 document if it can be found. (Ros transcribed Ottery St Mary 1700 for > me some time ago.) > > Is there anyone who will be visiting the PWDRO in the near future who would > like to try to solve this mystery for us (Just possibly the PWDRO staff > might be able to throw some light on this mystery.)? > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 > FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Brian, Any chance it is this form A2A: Title: List of addresses - apparently householders on whom militia could be billeted Reference: 272 A/PO 293 Date: 1678 Held by: Devon Heritage Centre (South West Heritage Trust), not available at The National Archives Language: English Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Randell via Sent: 05 March 2015 18:09 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Colin Chapman; Brian Randell Subject: [DEV] Finding an early Coldridge(?) census Hi: I'm seeking help in locating a document that is listed in Colin Chapman's book "Pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings in the British Isles" as "Coldridge 1670". This is not for my personal research, but rather it is in connection with the long-running GENUKI/Devon project to make available Devon's pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings - see http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/Pre-1841Census.html. Colin's book does not indicate which archive holds Coldridge 1670, but I've checked with him and learned that he had been told (some thirty years ago, when he was preparing the first edition of his book) that it was held in the Plymouth Archives. Colin has now checked the PWDRO online catalogue (http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/archivescatalogue) and cannot locate a Coldridge 1670 file. To quote his message to me: "I see that there is a mention of an almost identical reference for Yealmpton (ref 731) for 1670, so I am inclined to believe that I was misinformed that the listing was for Coleridge/Coldridge, and it should be for Yealmpton. (Though how anyone could confuse Coleridge/Coldridge with Yealmpton, I have no idea!). I have not been in touch with the folk in Plymouth, as I have only just found the possible answer to the dilemma, so I cannot be 100% certain of this. Also I will not have a chance in the near future to personally look at the original document in Plymouth." I've also done some searching of the PWDRO catalogue, and of the A2A catalogue (now part of TNA's Discovery catalogue) - but without success. I already have a kind offer from Ros Haywood to transcribe the Coldridge 1670 document if it can be found. (Ros transcribed Ottery St Mary 1700 for me some time ago.) Is there anyone who will be visiting the PWDRO in the near future who would like to try to solve this mystery for us (Just possibly the PWDRO staff might be able to throw some light on this mystery.)? Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: I’m seeking help in locating a document that is listed in Colin Chapman’s book "Pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings in the British Isles” as “Coldridge 1670”. This is not for my personal research, but rather it is in connection with the long-running GENUKI/Devon project to make available Devon’s pre-1841 Censuses & Population Listings - see http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/Pre-1841Census.html. Colin’s book does not indicate which archive holds Coldridge 1670, but I’ve checked with him and learned that he had been told (some thirty years ago, when he was preparing the first edition of his book) that it was held in the Plymouth Archives. Colin has now checked the PWDRO online catalogue (http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/archivescatalogue) and cannot locate a Coldridge 1670 file. To quote his message to me: "I see that there is a mention of an almost identical reference for Yealmpton (ref 731) for 1670, so I am inclined to believe that I was misinformed that the listing was for Coleridge/Coldridge, and it should be for Yealmpton. (Though how anyone could confuse Coleridge/Coldridge with Yealmpton, I have no idea!). I have not been in touch with the folk in Plymouth, as I have only just found the possible answer to the dilemma, so I cannot be 100% certain of this. Also I will not have a chance in the near future to personally look at the original document in Plymouth.” I’ve also done some searching of the PWDRO catalogue, and of the A2A catalogue (now part of TNA’s Discovery catalogue) - but without success. I already have a kind offer from Ros Haywood to transcribe the Coldridge 1670 document if it can be found. (Ros transcribed Ottery St Mary 1700 for me some time ago.) Is there anyone who will be visiting the PWDRO in the near future who would like to try to solve this mystery for us (Just possibly the PWDRO staff might be able to throw some light on this mystery.)? Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

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Not my family [STRAY] St John the Baptist, Gloucester, Gloucestershire 15 August 1722 Daniel READ of Plymouth in ye County of Devon Wooll-Comber was buried. Bev

Hi Joy: On 28 Feb 2015, at 13:05, Joy Langdon via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > For Brian Randell re Devon Wills Project, > Whilst searching for something on the Cornwall Record Office online catalogue I came across the following (I couldn't see them indexed on the Devon Wills Project, Brian): > Archdeaconry of Cornwall, Probate Court: > Ref No AP/A/241 Will of Joan Adams, widow, of Lamerton 1643, Manuscript 2 pieces, Administration and inventory > Ref No AP/A/271b Will of Humphrey Axworthy of Lamerton 1647, Manuscript 2 pieces, Administration and inventory > and > Rashleigh family of Menabilly: > Ref No R/5629 Will of Henry Doidge of Sydenham Damerell 1733, Manuscript 1 piece > Joy Langdon Many thanks - I’ve added these into the DWP database, ready for the next rebuild. I don’t know how we missed these, unless they are new additions to the cRO catalogue. Cheers Brian -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hi: Feb 2015 No. of pages added/amended: 54 Major additions: • Devon - Bibliography: Bibliotheca Devoniensis (1852) - index • Devon - Biography: Catalogue of an Exhibition of Portraits of Departed Worthies Connected with the Counties of Devon and Cornwall (1873) - index • Devon - Court Records: Inquests Taken into Suspicious or Unexplained Deaths for 1876-1880 - transcript • Devon - Court Records: Inquests Taken into Suspicious or Unexplained Deaths for 1881-1885 - transcript • Devon - Description and Travel: The Fairest County of England (1883) - index • Devon - Description and Travel: The Shire of Sea Kings (1912) - index • Devon - Military History: Historical Records of the 1st Devon Militia (1897) - index to Introduction and Chapter I • Devon - Military History: Historical Records of the 1st Devon Militia (1897) - index to Chapters II-XV • Devon - Military History: Historical Record of the Forty-sixth or the South Devonshire Regiment of Foot (1851) - index • Barnstaple: Inhabitants of Barnstaple taken by the Constables 19th July 1803 - transcript • Exeter: Will of Martha Gover (1830) - transcript • Exeter: Will of Martha Gover (1830) - transcript • Littleham (Near Exmouth): Will of Ann Oulton (1830) - transcript • Okehampton: The early descent of Devonshire estates belonging to the honours of Mortain and Okehampton (1906) - transcript • Stoke Damerel: Will of Aaron Strugnell, Quarterman (1799) - index • Topsham: Will of Susanna Webber (1823) - transcript • Topsham: Johnathan otherwise Jonathan Ostler (1849) - transcript Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Not my family, not sure if I have posted this as a stray before this Clifton, nr Bristol, Gloucestershire MI John FRANCIS, late carpenter of His Majesty's Ship Naslau, of Plymouth, died at Hotwells 3 Dec 1783 aged 34. Bev

Thank you.Teresa, I'll add those sites to a list I'm generating from everyone's help on here.  I've been doing a little work over the years but found there are many places to look that I wasn't aware of.  What stimulated my interest again is I've signed up for a Trafalger guided tour throughout Devon and Cornwall that will take place in early May and it would be nice to see where some of my ancestors' started. On Saturday, February 28, 2015 12:01 PM, Teresa Goatham via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Have you got a copy of the Squibb name file from the Keith Matthews collection? - see https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/keith/s.php. I got one for one name I'm interested in, and have found it very interesting / useful. It's a little cryptic but there is a glossary on the mun website. I found refs to crew lists and similar at the National Archives (Kew) which aren't indexed in TNA catalogue. I see you're in the USA so how useful that is to you I don't know - depends on whether you know anyone who shares your interest who could visit Kew or are prepared to pay. Also has entries from PRs (or maybe BTs) - for some Devon parishes at least, probably of less value with so many Devon and Dorset PRs being online (though I did find a few extras that I didn't know of due to mis-transcriptions on FMP, and for a parish for a period the PRs don't survive - hence Keith Matthews must have been using some kind of transcipt). Teresa On 27/02/2015 08:00, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Squibbs via"<devon@rootsweb.com> > To:<DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:52 PM > Subject: [DEV] Squibb/Squib > > >> >My great, great grand parents, William and Caroline Squibb arrived in the >> >fishing village of Carbonear, Newfoundland around the mid 1840's. Since >> >there were many ships sailing from the Devon and Dorset areas for fishing >> >in Newfoundland, and their descendents were all involved in that trade, I >> >am assuming they were from that part of England. >> >Along with them were William's brother John, and his wife Jane. Records of >> >William's and Caroline's deaths indicate they were born around 1826 to >> >1828. >> > >> >Is there anyone in this list familiar with my ancestors? I haven't found >> >any birth or marriage information as of yet. >> >Ronald SquibbsFlorida (USA) ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is the entry on the CRO catalogue which definitely says "of Lamerton": http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=7&dsqSearch=%28%28text%29%3D%27axworthy%27%29 Possibly a transcription error? Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 28/02/2015 - 15:55 (GMTST) To : Devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Humphrey Axworthy - Will of 1647 For Joy Hi I do not doubt your information Joy but I have the Will for Humphrey AXWORTHY (1647) and the Will is for Launceston where he was from. He was the son of Richard AXWORTHIE whose Will of 1643 I also have. Of course there could be two Humphrey's. The Will is extremely faint. Kind regards Malcolm Hitchens ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you got a copy of the Squibb name file from the Keith Matthews collection? - see https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/keith/s.php. I got one for one name I'm interested in, and have found it very interesting / useful. It's a little cryptic but there is a glossary on the mun website. I found refs to crew lists and similar at the National Archives (Kew) which aren't indexed in TNA catalogue. I see you're in the USA so how useful that is to you I don't know - depends on whether you know anyone who shares your interest who could visit Kew or are prepared to pay. Also has entries from PRs (or maybe BTs) - for some Devon parishes at least, probably of less value with so many Devon and Dorset PRs being online (though I did find a few extras that I didn't know of due to mis-transcriptions on FMP, and for a parish for a period the PRs don't survive - hence Keith Matthews must have been using some kind of transcipt). Teresa On 27/02/2015 08:00, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Squibbs via"<devon@rootsweb.com> > To:<DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:52 PM > Subject: [DEV] Squibb/Squib > > >> >My great, great grand parents, William and Caroline Squibb arrived in the >> >fishing village of Carbonear, Newfoundland around the mid 1840's. Since >> >there were many ships sailing from the Devon and Dorset areas for fishing >> >in Newfoundland, and their descendents were all involved in that trade, I >> >am assuming they were from that part of England. >> >Along with them were William's brother John, and his wife Jane. Records of >> >William's and Caroline's deaths indicate they were born around 1826 to >> >1828. >> > >> >Is there anyone in this list familiar with my ancestors? I haven't found >> >any birth or marriage information as of yet. >> >Ronald SquibbsFlorida (USA)

For Joy Hi I do not doubt your information Joy but I have the Will for Humphrey AXWORTHY (1647) and the Will is for Launceston where he was from. He was the son of Richard AXWORTHIE whose Will of 1643 I also have. Of course there could be two Humphrey's. The Will is extremely faint. Kind regards Malcolm Hitchens

Thank you all for the leads regarding Squibbs in Newfoundland.  I'll be pretty busy attempting to follow them all. Ron On Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:37 AM, Martin Beavis <beavis.history@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hello Ron - Elizabeth is probably right, though John and William may well have reached Carbonear without their parents, perhaps around 1845 as young working men of about 20 and 18.  The "codtalk" link that I gave refers to support ships bringing men fron Topsham to Newfoundland.  You should, of course, try to disprove my speculative long shot.  I tried but could not find those brothers John or William in any census or marriages in Dorset, though I did find West Lulworth marriages of three Squibb daughters, Maryanne, Jane and Sarah in 1852, 1856 and 1858, all with father John, labourer, so it looks like those parents and daughters remained in that area but not the sons.  You can contact a Dorset SQUIBB researcher viahttp://www.thedorsetpage.com/genealogy/names/ Alternatively, your SQUIBB may have arrived in Carbonear from elsewhere in Newfoundland, or as you speculate Massachusetts.  You have probably googled [Squibb Newfoundland] but one result from the Trinity Historical Society refers to Justice Francis Squibb in 1729 (as in Gion's post).  He would have been an educated man, consistent with references elsewhere to the SQUIBB gentry of Dorset.  That society might have other useful information.  According to "codtalk" Trinity was settled by immigrants from Poole (see also Wikipedia) which coincidentally(?) happens to be the nearest port to West Lulworth.http://www.trinityhistoricalsociety.com/chronology_of_selected_historica.htm And there is a 2001 work of fiction, "Midshipman Squibb and the Battle for St. John's" set in 1762, which must surely take it's title from the real Newfoundland family of that time.  The author is a naval historian from Newfoundland and may have research notes of interest.http://www.historicnavalfiction.com/book-title-index/m/3858-midshipman-squibb-and-the-battle-for-st-john-s There were election riots in Carbonear about 1840.  Do Canadian archives have electoral rolls from that time?   Finally, getting closer to  home in Devon, Google Books has an interesting "Family Names of the Island of Newfoundland" which is not as parochial as it sounds.  The long Introduction includes comprehensive derivations and variations of very many British surnames, as well as those occurring in Newfoundland.  Significantly, but perhaps not surprisingly, about 22% of all English surnames in Newfoundland are traceable to Devon, by far the most of any other county, with Dorset in second place at about 6% (page xxxvii).    The SQUIBB name is attributed to Dorset with an earliest occurrence in 1730 in Trinity (page 489).  Names are searchable - I discover, for example, that the BAVIS of Newfoundland were originally BEAVIS of Devon.  http://tinyurl.com/NFsurnames Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: The Squibbs via Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:34 PM To: elizabeth howard ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Squibb/Squib  Thank you Martin and Elizabeth.  I did visit with distant cousins at Carbonear 1-1/2 years ago and we've all run into the same brick wall.  William and Caroline's first child was born there in November 1847. There is some thinking that they may have been married in the fishing area of Massachusetts, but I haven't looked into that yet.  There is no record of their marriage in the Anglican church records in Newfoundland, but all of their children's baptisms are listed. Do either of you know what was considered "full age" for marriage back then?Ron       On Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:54 AM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote:                         Hi,  if William and Caroline were born circa 1827 , and in Carbonear in circa 1845 they would have been very young so perhaps moved with their parents.  Are there no other older Squibbs in Carbonear ?  I tried the UK 1841 census and found several Williams in Dorset and Hampshire but I would think their marriages must have been in Carbonear etc.    life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///----- Original Message ----- From: "The Squibbs via" <devon@rootsweb.com>To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:52 PMSubject: [DEV] Squibb/Squib  > My great, great grand parents, William and Caroline Squibb arrived in the > fishing village of Carbonear, Newfoundland around the mid 1840's. Since > there were many ships sailing from the Devon and Dorset areas for fishing > in Newfoundland, and their descendents were all involved in that trade, I > am assuming they were from that part of England.> Along with them were William's brother John, and his wife Jane. Records of > William's and Caroline's deaths indicate they were born around 1826 to > 1828.>> Is there anyone in this list familiar with my ancestors? I haven't found > any birth or marriage information as of yet.> Ronald SquibbsFlorida (USA)>> ------------------------------------------> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ )> and> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )> List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------------------The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ )andthe Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ )List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For Brian Randell re Devon Wills Project, Whilst searching for something on the Cornwall Record Office online catalogue I came across the following (I couldn't see them indexed on the Devon Wills Project, Brian): Archdeaconry of Cornwall, Probate Court: Ref No AP/A/241 Will of Joan Adams, widow, of Lamerton 1643, Manuscript 2 pieces, Administration and inventory Ref No AP/A/271b Will of Humphrey Axworthy of Lamerton 1647, Manuscript 2 pieces, Administration and inventory and Rashleigh family of Menabilly: Ref No R/5629 Will of Henry Doidge of Sydenham Damerell 1733, Manuscript 1 piece Joy Langdon

Hello Ron - Elizabeth is probably right, though John and William may well have reached Carbonear without their parents, perhaps around 1845 as young working men of about 20 and 18. The "codtalk" link that I gave refers to support ships bringing men fron Topsham to Newfoundland. You should, of course, try to disprove my speculative long shot. I tried but could not find those brothers John or William in any census or marriages in Dorset, though I did find West Lulworth marriages of three Squibb daughters, Maryanne, Jane and Sarah in 1852, 1856 and 1858, all with father John, labourer, so it looks like those parents and daughters remained in that area but not the sons. You can contact a Dorset SQUIBB researcher via http://www.thedorsetpage.com/genealogy/names/ Alternatively, your SQUIBB may have arrived in Carbonear from elsewhere in Newfoundland, or as you speculate Massachusetts. You have probably googled [Squibb Newfoundland] but one result from the Trinity Historical Society refers to Justice Francis Squibb in 1729 (as in Gion's post). He would have been an educated man, consistent with references elsewhere to the SQUIBB gentry of Dorset. That society might have other useful information. According to "codtalk" Trinity was settled by immigrants from Poole (see also Wikipedia) which coincidentally(?) happens to be the nearest port to West Lulworth. http://www.trinityhistoricalsociety.com/chronology_of_selected_historica.htm And there is a 2001 work of fiction, "Midshipman Squibb and the Battle for St. John's" set in 1762, which must surely take it's title from the real Newfoundland family of that time. The author is a naval historian from Newfoundland and may have research notes of interest. http://www.historicnavalfiction.com/book-title-index/m/3858-midshipman-squibb-and-the-battle-for-st-john-s There were election riots in Carbonear about 1840. Do Canadian archives have electoral rolls from that time? Finally, getting closer to home in Devon, Google Books has an interesting "Family Names of the Island of Newfoundland" which is not as parochial as it sounds. The long Introduction includes comprehensive derivations and variations of very many British surnames, as well as those occurring in Newfoundland. Significantly, but perhaps not surprisingly, about 22% of all English surnames in Newfoundland are traceable to Devon, by far the most of any other county, with Dorset in second place at about 6% (page xxxvii). The SQUIBB name is attributed to Dorset with an earliest occurrence in 1730 in Trinity (page 489). Names are searchable - I discover, for example, that the BAVIS of Newfoundland were originally BEAVIS of Devon. http://tinyurl.com/NFsurnames Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: The Squibbs via Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:34 PM To: elizabeth howard ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Squibb/Squib Thank you Martin and Elizabeth. I did visit with distant cousins at Carbonear 1-1/2 years ago and we've all run into the same brick wall. William and Caroline's first child was born there in November 1847. There is some thinking that they may have been married in the fishing area of Massachusetts, but I haven't looked into that yet. There is no record of their marriage in the Anglican church records in Newfoundland, but all of their children's baptisms are listed. Do either of you know what was considered "full age" for marriage back then? Ron On Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:54 AM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi, if William and Caroline were born circa 1827 , and in Carbonear in circa 1845 they would have been very young so perhaps moved with their parents. Are there no other older Squibbs in Carbonear ? I tried the UK 1841 census and found several Williams in Dorset and Hampshire but I would think their marriages must have been in Carbonear etc. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Squibbs via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:52 PM Subject: [DEV] Squibb/Squib > My great, great grand parents, William and Caroline Squibb arrived in the > fishing village of Carbonear, Newfoundland around the mid 1840's. Since > there were many ships sailing from the Devon and Dorset areas for fishing > in Newfoundland, and their descendents were all involved in that trade, I > am assuming they were from that part of England. > Along with them were William's brother John, and his wife Jane. Records of > William's and Caroline's deaths indicate they were born around 1826 to > 1828. > > Is there anyone in this list familiar with my ancestors? I haven't found > any birth or marriage information as of yet. > Ronald SquibbsFlorida (USA) > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message