Peter, Just a thought. My experience is that once you enlist and the name has been transferred to the muster, it usually (but not always, stays the same, as it is copied from one quarter to the next. I have examples of Anglicised Irish surnames that run from enlistment to collection of a pension (WO22). Soldiers(and sailors), even back then, had a number within the regiment and it is one way of separating those with the same or similar names. Paperwork, until discharge, remained the responsibility of the regiment and paperwork post discharge would require the sight of the discharge papers. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter J Richardson via Sent: 18 June 2015 19:01 To: elizgh@btinternet.com; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello Elizabeth, Thanks for the feedback. Although Mary Ann was literate (and signed COCHRANE on her marriage certificate), I think the differences between the names could be down to varying local accents, phonetics and illiteracy. You are correct that WO 100/15a (the 1815 death record) records Simon's name as COCKRANE, however, WO25/358 which I just downloaded from Ancestry's "Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900" records him as Simon COCKRAM. Both documents give his birthplace as Silverton, Devon. I was pointed to another record today which is on FindMyPast and records him as being Symon COCKRAM in the 28th Foot Regiment "Army of Reserve" in Chudleigh in 1803 (Napoleonic War Records 1775 - 1817, ref E182/208 Volume 8). I have also been to Kew myself and abstracted out payrolls for Simon spelled COCHRANE from WO12/4430 which place him in Ireland between 3rd July 1814 and when he sailed for Ostend in 1815. The Irish marriage licence bond, which I acknowledge as having being a long shot, is in the name of COCHERAM, but there were not many Simons around in 1814 - and for that matter having ordered the names print from the DFHS there do not seem to have been many COCHRANEs in Devon. The names I ordered do not appear to include the baptism in Uffculme so thanks for that, and I will have to investigate further, but although she seemed very unsure of her age Mary was quite consistent in recording her birthplace as being Silverton and it is the age thing (census data infers varying birthdates between 1815 and 1821) rather than the name variations which make me wonder whether Simon was really her father. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: elizgh@btinternet.com [mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 18 June 2015 17:08 To: Peter J Richardson; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi, I think this is a bit of a long shot.........There is certainly a Sergeant Simon Cockrane of the 28th Regt on the Waterloo medal roll in Capt Richard Kelly`s company . I cannot find a bapt for a Mary Ann Cochrane dau of Simon and ? there is a Mary Ann bapt in Uffculme dau of John , about the right time 1816/1817 . There is a Simon Cockram bapt Silverton in 1786 son of Mary . If you have him marrying Mary Cosgrave in Ireland , then it is possible he is Simon Cochrane rather than Cockram . If he is Simon Cockram, it is possible that Graham Parnell the OPC of Silverton may have more on him . Discovery National Archives has no Simon Cockram or Cochrane or Cockrane in the WO series . -----Original Message----- From: Peter J Richardson via Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:11 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello all, My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, Somerset. Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who died 200 years ago this week? Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion 28th Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). During that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with a licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died of Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. As one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of an archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the Records Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now and whether it is available to view please? 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Hello Elizabeth, Thanks for the feedback. Although Mary Ann was literate (and signed COCHRANE on her marriage certificate), I think the differences between the names could be down to varying local accents, phonetics and illiteracy. You are correct that WO 100/15a (the 1815 death record) records Simon's name as COCKRANE, however, WO25/358 which I just downloaded from Ancestry's "Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900" records him as Simon COCKRAM. Both documents give his birthplace as Silverton, Devon. I was pointed to another record today which is on FindMyPast and records him as being Symon COCKRAM in the 28th Foot Regiment "Army of Reserve" in Chudleigh in 1803 (Napoleonic War Records 1775 - 1817, ref E182/208 Volume 8). I have also been to Kew myself and abstracted out payrolls for Simon spelled COCHRANE from WO12/4430 which place him in Ireland between 3rd July 1814 and when he sailed for Ostend in 1815. The Irish marriage licence bond, which I acknowledge as having being a long shot, is in the name of COCHERAM, but there were not many Simons around in 1814 - and for that matter having ordered the names print from the DFHS there do not seem to have been many COCHRANEs in Devon. The names I ordered do not appear to include the baptism in Uffculme so thanks for that, and I will have to investigate further, but although she seemed very unsure of her age Mary was quite consistent in recording her birthplace as being Silverton and it is the age thing (census data infers varying birthdates between 1815 and 1821) rather than the name variations which make me wonder whether Simon was really her father. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: elizgh@btinternet.com [mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 18 June 2015 17:08 To: Peter J Richardson; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi, I think this is a bit of a long shot.........There is certainly a Sergeant Simon Cockrane of the 28th Regt on the Waterloo medal roll in Capt Richard Kelly`s company . I cannot find a bapt for a Mary Ann Cochrane dau of Simon and ? there is a Mary Ann bapt in Uffculme dau of John , about the right time 1816/1817 . There is a Simon Cockram bapt Silverton in 1786 son of Mary . If you have him marrying Mary Cosgrave in Ireland , then it is possible he is Simon Cochrane rather than Cockram . If he is Simon Cockram, it is possible that Graham Parnell the OPC of Silverton may have more on him . Discovery National Archives has no Simon Cockram or Cochrane or Cockrane in the WO series . -----Original Message----- From: Peter J Richardson via Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:11 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello all, My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, Somerset. Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who died 200 years ago this week? Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion 28th Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). During that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with a licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died of Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. As one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of an archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the Records Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now and whether it is available to view please? Thanks in advance Regards Peter

Hi, I think this is a bit of a long shot.........There is certainly a Sergeant Simon Cockrane of the 28th Regt on the Waterloo medal roll in Capt Richard Kelly`s company . I cannot find a bapt for a Mary Ann Cochrane dau of Simon and ? there is a Mary Ann bapt in Uffculme dau of John , about the right time 1816/1817 . There is a Simon Cockram bapt Silverton in 1786 son of Mary . If you have him marrying Mary Cosgrave in Ireland , then it is possible he is Simon Cochrane rather than Cockram . If he is Simon Cockram, it is possible that Graham Parnell the OPC of Silverton may have more on him . Discovery National Archives has no Simon Cockram or Cochrane or Cockrane in the WO series . -----Original Message----- From: Peter J Richardson via Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:11 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello all, My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, Somerset. Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who died 200 years ago this week? Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion 28th Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). During that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with a licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died of Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. As one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of an archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the Records Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now and whether it is available to view please? Thanks in advance Regards Peter ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello all, My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, Somerset. Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who died 200 years ago this week? Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion 28th Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). During that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with a licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died of Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. As one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of an archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the Records Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now and whether it is available to view please? Thanks in advance Regards Peter

fantastic many many thanks On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:37 AM, John C. Stone via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have just added a post regarding the Stones of Yarcombe Devon and many > parishes around Wiveliscombe at the website shown below. > > -- > John C. Stone II > New Hampshire & Vermont, USA > jcstone2@gmail.com > www.stone-rhodes.org > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Lyn Tregilgas*

I have just added a post regarding the Stones of Yarcombe Devon and many parishes around Wiveliscombe at the website shown below. -- John C. Stone II New Hampshire & Vermont, USA jcstone2@gmail.com www.stone-rhodes.org

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=S7s4AQAAMAAJ Large Index Put Devon on the box on the left and click " Go ". All References to Devon will come up. Bev

Jeff, In other counties I would agree, get the local copy of the birth registration. In Devon you may struggle. You will see on the page that Tim sent a link to that you need a day and month as well as year, and I guess you probably don't have these. When I tried to get a death cert a few years ago and found the online form meant I had to enter an exact date I tried phoning up. I've got certs from other places, centralised in Kent, a local part-time office in Norfolk. Both very helpful, willing to search a whole quarter and to check other details. For the Devon record I could do much better than a Quarter, I knew the burial date, almost certainly no more than a week after death. But the Devon office were most unhelpful. The only way I could get a cert from them was (as they pointed out) by getting the GRO copy which would give me the date! So be ready to plead your special case i.e. not being able to get the GRO copy. Failing that, a couple of other possibilities. As you probably know the 1871 census does NOT show that William had a brother Francis, just that his grandmother had a grandson with the name. Could easily be a 1st cousin. But I do think his presence helps Whilst some people are entered twice in censuses, it isn't very commone and given that Mary Ann in the 2 census entries differs by 8 years in age and has different occupation, and the William differs by 2 years in age and has different birthplaces it is highly unlikely here. WIth many PR entries now on FMP you need to use that if you can. FreeBMD has a Wm Hy born Q3 1863, Tiverton has a bap which confirms he was the son of Jas & Mary A. You can rule that family out. Back to Francis. FMP also has bap of Francis. It was at an Anglican Church - although you can't assume William had the same mother, it does suggest the family were CoE and Wm Tho's will also most likely have been baptised in an Anglican Church. No baptism obvious on FMP. A lot are mis-transcribed, you could check browse images in possible parishes. But as he was born Oakford it may be significant that FMP only has Oakford bap to 1853. Looking at the DHC listing they only hold the Oakford baptism register to 1853. I guess the register from then on still in use and you need to contact the parish and ask it they can help you. You can find a contact here: http://www.achurchnearyou.com/oakford-st-peter/ And something you may have already tried, but if I were you I would look for every entry for William Thomas and the 2 women one of whom you think most likely his mother in all the censuses. One might in old age be living with him and shown as mother or aunt. Or oa child of his might have been with them. Whe you asked 'suggest next move' you mentioned having no parents [plural] - but no that I've noticed has mentioned the father; if William was as seems likely illegitimate then the father is unlikely to be named on birth certificate or baptism register, though occasionally mentioned in the latter. If the father was a married man in 1862 it is unlikely it would have led to divorce. I see Joy has found a probable marriage for Mary Ann; if she was the mother, then the father could be who she married though so long after it's a bit doubtful - unless he'd been away in the forces or working overseas etc. You could look for a will of the possible father / step-father. One of my ancestors had a sister born 1843, but their parents didn't marry till he was on the way in 1846. For ages I didn't know if they shared a father, but I say their father because he claimed the daughter as his natural daughter in his will (plus one born before the marriage to his second wife!) I've never worked out why - too old to be an apprentice, not a job to take him away ... Their may have been an order for the father to pay maintenance - at that date I think cases were dealt with in the petty sessions, afraid I don't have any experience of researching these, others on list probably have so maybe ask again once you've seen what a birth cert and / or baptism register show. Also, not cheap, but you could try to look for male-line descendants for a Y DNA test with descendants / relations of his mother's husband. Teresa On 06/06/2015 14:45, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >On 5 Jun 2015, at 21:41, Paul Hockie via<devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> > >> >Jeff, >> > >> >Remember that the original entry is made and kept at the local office. A >> >copy is sent to the GRO who in turn index it. This index is then transcribed >> >by Freereg, FMP etc. There is plenty of room for error. >> > >> >I have had a look at FMP which has 3 entries for William: >> > >> >Last name First name Born Died Event Record set >> >Location >> >RENDELL WILLIAM THOMAS 1862 - 1862 England & Wales >> >births 1837-2006 Tiverton, Devon, England >> >RENDELL WILLIAM T 1862 1942 1942 England & >> >Wales deaths 1837-2007 Tiverton, Devon, England >> >RENDELL WILLIAM THOMAS - - 1887 England & Wales >> >marriages 1837-2008 Tiverton, Devon, England >> > >> >The image confirms his birth as March quar; 1862 5b 463 >> > >> >I also had a look at the census. In 1871 he seems to be living in Uffculme >> >with his Grandmother Elizabeth and possible mother Mary Ann, unmarried. He >> >also has a brother Francis age 2. It also gives his place of birth as >> >Oakford. >> >Interestingly 1871 and 1881 have a William Rendell b 1864 in Tiverton, the >> >son of James and Mary Ann Rendell. A quick search indicates James married >> >Mary Ann Crossway in 1862. There is a possibility that MaryAnn and William >> >were staying with her mother in law at census time and were double recorded. >> >James and Mary Anne were married in October 1862 so when William was born he >> >would be illegitimate and no entry for a father on his birth certificate >> >(and if he kept it, on his wedding certificate. The birth certificate would >> >be for William Crossland. When his parents married he could apply for a >> >birth certificate as Rendell. He was probably always known as Rendell. >> >I am not sure how these transactions were put through the books but the >> >original entry would probably be deleted and a replacement or new entry >> >made. >> > >> >As a starter my recommendation would be to apply for copy entries for >> >William and Francis from the Devon Office. There entries should be properly >> >annotated. I would also try and find the christening entry for Oakford. Then >> >try and piece together the various Rendells of Tiverton. >> > >> >Cheers >> > >> >Paul >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> >Behalf Of Tim Treeby (Genealogy) via >> >Sent: 05 June 2015 19:12 >> >To:devon@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [DEV] Birth Cert; >> > >> >As the Index looks to be a fairly modern typed version, rather than an >> >original version. >> >Possible that whoever typed up that Index page misread the original page >> >number, so that that birth is not actually on that page but a different one. >> >Not sure what GRO check if full Index Reference given. As possible they >> >don't do any further checking if full Ref given. But would need to check >> >with GRO. >> > >> >The other thing is you could try the Local registration service see >> >https://new.devon.gov.uk/registrationservice/certificates/apply-for-a-copy-c >> >ertificate >> > >> >Tim Treeby >> >DFHS 13926 >> > >>> >>On 05/06/2015 06:19, Jeff Butler via wrote: >>> >>Hello >>> >>Just received a reply for UK Registrar General on my application for a >> >birth cert; of William Thomas Rendell born March quar; 1862 5b 463 telling >> >me there is no birth cert; How and Why would that be when the birth reg; >> >shows him, no miss spellings.At the moment we have no parents only >> >grandparents. >>> >>Suggest next move. >>> >>Jeff

Please excuse the off topic email, but I use Windows Live Mail to read my emails. It uploads them from my server when I log on to WLM using POP3. It also tells you if any mail has gone into the Junk email file. I don't though get any problems with [DEV] mail going into the Junk file.

Hello I am also getting my Devon List notices delivered to my Spam folder Thank you Regards Anna On 6 June 2015 at 20:08, Len Heyward via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Folks; > > > > In the last day and a half, most of my Devon List mail is arriving in my > Trash Folder instead of in the Inbox. Nothing has changed at this end. > Are > there any other Australian list members experiencing the same problem. > > > > Regards > > > > Len Heyard > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Len I ask that question last week, I am in Tassie not all go but most of them end up in the junk box, then you have to drag them back Regards Jeff

Hi Folks; In the last day and a half, most of my Devon List mail is arriving in my Trash Folder instead of in the Inbox. Nothing has changed at this end. Are there any other Australian list members experiencing the same problem. Regards Len Heyard

On 6 Jun 2015 at 23:53, Anna Bell via wrote: > Hello > I am also getting my Devon List notices delivered to my > Spam folder What e-mail program are you using? I see you are using a gmail address -- are you reading them on the web? If so, it may be something you need to take up with Google, but I'll check my spam folder to see if any have gone there. -- Keep well, Steve & Val Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Phone: 073-759-0353 (cell) 012-333-6727 (landline)

Hi, BINGO !!! And add to that , Edmund married twice , Elizabeth his first wife was buried in 1783 aged 33 , St Sepulchre , and he married Elizabeth Browne in 1784 at St Andrew`s Holborn . Edmund may be buried in 1805 at Spa Fields, Clerkenwell , aged 56 . It says he is Countess of Huntingdon`s Connection . So following the non-conformist lead perhaps , there is a Betty dau of Edmund and Mary Roebuck born March 30th and bapt April 3rd 1798 in Liversedge , Yorkshire . This is a huge leap of conjecture ....... Where does Desborough come in ? was there a Roebuck /Desborough marriage ? -----Original Message----- From: Deborah O'Brien via Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 2:03 PM To: 'mike smith' ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP Add to that - Isaac and first wife Mary baptised a son Edmund Desborough ROEBUCK at Stoke Damerel 8 Dec 1816 and buried him there 15th Dec 1816 aged 1 month. This was before the first marriage but it looks as though the child may have been named for his grandfather. Regards, Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mike smith via Sent: 06 June 2015 12:28 To: elizgh; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP Hello , Can't thank you enough. His wife (I now know is his widow )died in Malta in 1838. The rest seems to fit,will try and find his burial. Once again many thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizgh via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: "Deborah O'Brien" <deborahobrien166@btinternet.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 11:47 AM Subject: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Add to that - Isaac and first wife Mary baptised a son Edmund Desborough ROEBUCK at Stoke Damerel 8 Dec 1816 and buried him there 15th Dec 1816 aged 1 month. This was before the first marriage but it looks as though the child may have been named for his grandfather. Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mike smith via Sent: 06 June 2015 12:28 To: elizgh; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP Hello , Can't thank you enough. His wife (I now know is his widow )died in Malta in 1838. The rest seems to fit,will try and find his burial. Once again many thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizgh via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: "Deborah O'Brien" <deborahobrien166@btinternet.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 11:47 AM Subject: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello , Can't thank you enough. His wife (I now know is his widow )died in Malta in 1838. The rest seems to fit,will try and find his burial. Once again many thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizgh via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: "Deborah O'Brien" <deborahobrien166@btinternet.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 11:47 AM Subject: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi, the National Archives online catalogue is only going to add to your worries !!! there is an ADM document ADM 29/19/82 , which contains the details of Isaac Roebuck`s service , Rank, Gunner, born London, age on entry 16, dates served 30 Nov 1794 - 16 July 1837 , date and type of application Greenwich 11 July 1838 . Presumably he is applying for his pension . Sorry about London which even in 1778 the year approx of his birth , would have been an over populated place , but he has an unusual name so you still have hope . Ancestry has a bapt of an Isaac Roebuck at St Sepulchre , Holborn , 2 Feb 1779 . son of Edmund and Elizabeth Roebuck . And further Ancestry have a complete service history of Isaac which seems to tie him into Plymouth at the times he is marrying his widows. He starts his service in Woolwich in 1794 in the Ambuscade as a 2nd class boy and ends in Malta Hospital in July 1837 . And I now see that he is DD in July 1837 which means Discharged Dead. So presumably the application for a pension would have been made by his widow . Worth getting that ADM document . If this is your Isaac , then Edmund and Elizabeth ( Parker) married at St Sepulchre 29 Nov 1772 . -----Original Message----- From: Deborah O'Brien via Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 10:36 AM To: 'mike smith' ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP An Isaac ROEBUCK, gunner, married in 1817 in Stoke Damerel to a Mary ELLARD, Widow. Mary ROEBUCK died aged 35 and was buried in Stoke Damerel 6 March 1826. The signature on the marriage entry looks very similar to that for the 1828 marriage to Sarah PHILP (not PHILIP) who was also a Widow. Regards, Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mike smith via Sent: 06 June 2015 10:17 To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP Hello List, I have a marriage of Isaac Roebuck to Sarah Philip on 7th May 1828 in Stoke Damerel. They were I know in Malta in 1833 (Mr Isaac Roebuck was a gunner in the Navy). My question is,does anyone know where Isaac came from? His son,who was born in Malta in 1833, was blessed with the name Charles Pelican Arthur Roebuck Hope someone can help. regards Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Jeff, Francis Richard Rendell, the other grandson with Elizabeth on the 1871 census, was baptised at Uffculme 13th Dec 1868 and was the base born son of Mary Ann Rendell. On the 1881 census the only Rendell born at Oakford c1862 is Thomas Rendell, farm servant at Corks Farm, Uffculme. This could be William because there is some evidence in later censuses that he used his midlle name in preference to William. William was listed on the 1901 census as Thomas Rendell (the details of wife Elizabeth and son James match those on the 1891 census) and on the 1911 census William has written Thomas in full and there is a capital W inserted before it placed over the line between columns as if he put it there as an afterthought. I found the following in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette 19 Jun 1942: The funeral took place in Uplowman Churchyard on Saturday of Mr William Thomas Rendell of Staple Gate, a well known and much respected parishioner, whose death in the Tiverton Hospital followed a very short illness. Deceased, who was aged 80, had resided in Uplowman for over 40 years and for over 24 years was employed on the land at Uplowman Court by the late Mr C J Rabjohns. The service was conducted by Rev J B Brunskill (Rector). The family mourners were Mr James Rendell, Tidcombe, Miss Mary Rendell, Mr Albert Rendell and Pte. Winnie Rendell (A.T.S.) (sons and daughters). The widow was unable to attend through indisposition, and she was being cared for by her daughter-in-law, Mrs James Rendell. Two grandsons of the deceased, Spr. W Rendell R.E. and O.S. H. Rendell RN are on active service. I think Mary Ann may have married William Potter at Uffculme in 1871. Bride's father's name is William. There is an Online Parish Clerk for Uffculme willing to do lookups - see Genuki Devon for contact details: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Uffculme/index.html#Genealogy Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 05/06/2015 - 11:38 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Birth Cert; Hi Terry Yes I sent what freeebdm had William Thomas Rendell 5b 463 Tiverton. Had a look at all births for that quarter not one William Thomas . On his marriage cert; his fathers name is blank. His grandmother Elizabeth Rendell nee Burnett had two daughters Mary Ann and Elizabeth which makes me think it may be one of them. Jeff Why is it that all devon@rootsweb mail that I get go's straight into my junk email box ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An Isaac ROEBUCK, gunner, married in 1817 in Stoke Damerel to a Mary ELLARD, Widow. Mary ROEBUCK died aged 35 and was buried in Stoke Damerel 6 March 1826. The signature on the marriage entry looks very similar to that for the 1828 marriage to Sarah PHILP (not PHILIP) who was also a Widow. Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mike smith via Sent: 06 June 2015 10:17 To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] ROEBUCK/PHILIP Hello List, I have a marriage of Isaac Roebuck to Sarah Philip on 7th May 1828 in Stoke Damerel. They were I know in Malta in 1833 (Mr Isaac Roebuck was a gunner in the Navy). My question is,does anyone know where Isaac came from? His son,who was born in Malta in 1833, was blessed with the name Charles Pelican Arthur Roebuck Hope someone can help. regards Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, I have a marriage of Isaac Roebuck to Sarah Philip on 7th May 1828 in Stoke Damerel. They were I know in Malta in 1833 (Mr Isaac Roebuck was a gunner in the Navy). My question is,does anyone know where Isaac came from? His son,who was born in Malta in 1833, was blessed with the name Charles Pelican Arthur Roebuck Hope someone can help. regards Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus