I would be very nervous about the census assumption other than as a coincidence. FMP transcribes Farrant as Harrant. This is the 3rd "career" of William Edwards, shoemaker, costermonger and solicitors clerk. Solicitors clerk implies some level of education. he would also have to have been well travelled. "Step" was, at that time, on the list of proscribed relationships. To have a child in such circumstances would be an offence and would have led to imprisonment, especially for a solicitors clerk. Did the birth certificate of Louisa Augusta use the word "formerly". I have seen this used to indicate a previous marriage. Are you sure she was registered as Louise Augusta. The register shows some Louisa A and Louisa. There are 265 Louisa Edwards born 1861 +/- 5 years in the 1871 census. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizgh via Sent: 20 June 2015 16:33 To: Peter J Richardson; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon This Farrant connection makes this incontestable I think . And fibbing was never a bad thing as long as we in the 21st C allow for the fact that our ancestors did fib big time !!! So now Ireland for the Simon Cockram et al , and Mary marriage , and perhaps your luck will hold and one or two of the documents at Kew will actually mention in a throw away note what happened to Simon`s dependents ???? He would also have left a will , a soldiers document on the back of his paybook ????? -----Original Message----- From: Peter J Richardson via Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:19 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello again, Now I this information > In 1841 a Mary Edwards, aged 47, born Ireland, needlewoman is living > at Lower Vine Street, St James with William Edwards aged 20, > Anne Edwards aged 18, Frances Edwards aged 13, Joseph Edwards aged 11 > and Teresa Edwards aged 8 - all born out of county. And > Mary Anne Farrant age 25 needlewoman born outside county my 3xGt grandmother) > Isabella Farrant age 5 months born in county (my 2xGt grandmother) I am wondering and reevaluating about the circumstances surrounding my great grandmother's birth in light of the above. She was registered in Chippenham as being Louisa Augusta Edwards born on 9th October 1861 to William Edwards "solicitor's clerk" and Isabella Edwards formerly Farrant. I think I found William and Isabella in Monmouthshire in 1861 (with William cordwainer age 35 born Bristol and Isabella age 21 born Lyme Regis) shown as husband and wife, but I am wondering now whether William was actually Isabella's step-brother, and I wonder whether he was the "solitictor's clerk" referred to on the birth certificate. I have never found any evidence William and Isabella actually married, and Isabella reverted to the name Farrant and declared herself a spinster when she married Henry HALLON in 1863. Regards Peter ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This Farrant connection makes this incontestable I think . And fibbing was never a bad thing as long as we in the 21st C allow for the fact that our ancestors did fib big time !!! So now Ireland for the Simon Cockram et al , and Mary marriage , and perhaps your luck will hold and one or two of the documents at Kew will actually mention in a throw away note what happened to Simon`s dependents ???? He would also have left a will , a soldiers document on the back of his paybook ????? -----Original Message----- From: Peter J Richardson via Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:19 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello again, Now I this information > In 1841 a Mary Edwards, aged 47, born Ireland, needlewoman is living > at Lower Vine Street, St James with William Edwards aged 20, > Anne Edwards aged 18, Frances Edwards aged 13, Joseph Edwards aged 11 > and Teresa Edwards aged 8 - all born out of county. And > Mary Anne Farrant age 25 needlewoman born outside county my 3xGt grandmother) > Isabella Farrant age 5 months born in county (my 2xGt grandmother) I am wondering and reevaluating about the circumstances surrounding my great grandmother's birth in light of the above. She was registered in Chippenham as being Louisa Augusta Edwards born on 9th October 1861 to William Edwards "solicitor's clerk" and Isabella Edwards formerly Farrant. I think I found William and Isabella in Monmouthshire in 1861 (with William cordwainer age 35 born Bristol and Isabella age 21 born Lyme Regis) shown as husband and wife, but I am wondering now whether William was actually Isabella's step-brother, and I wonder whether he was the "solitictor's clerk" referred to on the birth certificate. I have never found any evidence William and Isabella actually married, and Isabella reverted to the name Farrant and declared herself a spinster when she married Henry HALLON in 1863. Regards Peter ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello again, Now I this information > In 1841 a Mary Edwards, aged 47, born Ireland, needlewoman is living > at Lower Vine Street, St James with William Edwards aged 20, > Anne Edwards aged 18, Frances Edwards aged 13, Joseph Edwards aged 11 > and Teresa Edwards aged 8 - all born out of county. And > Mary Anne Farrant age 25 needlewoman born outside county my 3xGt grandmother) > Isabella Farrant age 5 months born in county (my 2xGt grandmother) I am wondering and reevaluating about the circumstances surrounding my great grandmother's birth in light of the above. She was registered in Chippenham as being Louisa Augusta Edwards born on 9th October 1861 to William Edwards "solicitor's clerk" and Isabella Edwards formerly Farrant. I think I found William and Isabella in Monmouthshire in 1861 (with William cordwainer age 35 born Bristol and Isabella age 21 born Lyme Regis) shown as husband and wife, but I am wondering now whether William was actually Isabella's step-brother, and I wonder whether he was the "solitictor's clerk" referred to on the birth certificate. I have never found any evidence William and Isabella actually married, and Isabella reverted to the name Farrant and declared herself a spinster when she married Henry HALLON in 1863. Regards Peter

Hi Peter I am willing you on to get the right answer BUT I am increasingly in the Cochrane camp being either Irish or Scottish , and not Cockram as in Devon . It may not be resolved until you see both these interesting sounding documents E182 and I would favour Kew for both documents. there isn`t and wasn`t a 28th Army of Reserve , that is a mistranscription for sure 28th regt of reserve maybe , but not an army !!! it is very tantalising !!! And I saw the 1805 enlistment WO 25 but without seeing the original again its not possible to make use of this . Ideally you need to find WHERE he enlisted , if its Ireland then I think that is who he was !!! I wonder why there is no trumpeting ( if you forgive the pun) of a Devonian soldier dying at Waterloo in the Devon papers ? -----Original Message----- From: Peter J Richardson via Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 12:51 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Good morning Elizabeth, Thank-you for your continuing interest and suggestions. Thank-you also to Joy for the further information which I will turn to next. I am curious as to why Mary attracted such news coverage north of the border. I found one article following Joy's prompting where one paper refers to her as "the Heroine of Waterloo". I think it is becoming increasingly clear that Mary was Irish, and possibly Roman Catholic, and whilst Mary's 3rd? husband appears to have been Scottish, I have no reason to think Simon was Scottish. There are some transcription issues with the name COCKRAM? COCKRAN? COCKRANE? but the army documents that I have seen are consistent in recording his birthplace as Silverton, and the census records are consistent in recording their daughter's birthplace as being Silverton, Devon. I also have no reason to suppose that Simon was not C of E (his marriage licence was issued by the Church of Ireland, not the Roman Catholics). I still need to find more about documents E182/208 about a "Symon COCKRAM" of Chudleigh in the 28th Army of Reserve in 1803 and WO25/955 which covers Simon COCKRANE's enlistment on 4th October 1805 which are both on FindMyPast in transcribed form only. The latter document is likely to be at Kew, but I wonder whether the former which is from "Napoleonic War Records 1775 - 1817" might be in Exeter which would probably be sufficient incentive to bring me down to Devon during my planned research week. I have established that there is a C of E baptism for a Simon COCKRAM in Silverton on 25th July 1786, and he was the illegitimate son of another Mary. I suspect that his mother was christened on 20th April 1767, daughter of another Simon and Mary WOODBURY who married at Silverton the preceding year. My suspicion is that Mary chr 1767 went on to marry John KERSLAKE, a weaver, in 1800 and had three further children with him between 1799 and 1803. John and Mary Kerslake were recorded in the 1841 Silverton census and both died within weeks of that census. My thinking at this point is that Sergeant Simon COCKRANE was a Devon man who served with the 28th Regiment of Foot who met Mary COSGRAVE?, an Irish woman, whilst his regiment were stationed there in 1814. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizgh via Sent: 20 June 2015 11:34 To: joy.langdon@btinternet.com; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi , and thanks for this , I would be doing housework but instead thanks to Joy I am engrossed in the women of Waterloo, so much I didn`t know . Do you think the woman mentioned " A shell inflicted two wounds on the wife of an injured sergeant in the 28th as she carried him from the field ..." was Mary Cochrane ? But from the report in the Aberdeen newspaper , I think more and more that this Simon and Mary Cochrane are Scottish or Irish and not Devon . It would help to find Simon Cockram of Silverton and wonder if Graham Parnell the OPC has something more on him And who administered the Waterloo fund ? which again I had never heard of . -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:21 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi Peter, I had also found the Mary Strachan married to William Strachan, tailor and wondered if she had chopped some years off her age when she married a younger man. Another article about Mary - in 1883 she was living at 19 Fouberts Place which is in St James, Westminster. You mention you had not found them in 1871, I think they are at King Street, St James , Westminster, (Ref RG 10 137 78 30), William is 48 and Mary 60. Aberdeen Evening Express 09 Oct 1883 A Female Waterloo Veteran - At one of the London Police Courts Mr S R Abrahams asked the Magistrate if his attention had been called to the case of Mrs Mary Strachan, a respectable old woman, aged 93. Mr Mansfield said it had and he had given her a little assistance. Mr Abrahams said he was glad to hear it, as he considered it a very deserving case. Mr Mansfield was informed that Mrs Strachan's husband had been killed on the field of Waterloo by a spent ball, Mrs Strachan being herself on the field. She is now in receipt of 5s 4d a week from the Waterloo Fund for her support. She has never received Parish Relief and is now in a state of destitution. Her husband belonged to the 28th, once called "The Old Brags". Mr Mansfield ordered the old lady to recieve 18s, for which she appeared very grateful. There is a death registered at Westminster Mar 1882 of William Strachan aged 60 which may be Mary's husband and may explain Mary's destitution in 1883. I found this article about the women at Waterloo which may be of interest to you. http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-women-at-waterloo.htm Thomas Edwards and Mary Cosgrave also baptised daughters at Clifton, Anna 1823, Maria Francisca in 1828 and Ludovica in 1836 and, if I have identified the family correctly in 1841, they had several other children. In 1841 a Mary Edwards, aged 47, born Ireland, needlewoman is living at Lower Vine Street, St James with William Edwards aged 20, Anne Edwards aged 18, Frances Edwards aged 13, Joseph Edwards aged 11 and Teresa Edwards aged 8 - all born out of county. Kind regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 19/06/2015 - 10:05 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real find . I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d per week !!!! Notice that in the various very good programmes this week on Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the women of Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a Devonian ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in any of the census from 1841 upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd but that starts in 1837 and as a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan was also 28th Regt of Foot ? -----Original Message----- ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thank-you very much, Joy. You have hit the jackpot again! More comments below: -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon via Sent: 20 June 2015 10:21 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > I had also found the Mary Strachan married to William Strachan, tailor and wondered if she had chopped some years off her age > when she married a younger man. > > Another article about Mary - in 1883 she was living at 19 Fouberts Place which is in St James, Westminster. You mention you had not > found them in 1871, I think they are at King Street, St James , Westminster, (Ref RG 10 137 78 30), William is 48 and Mary 60. Thank-you. Yes, I agree this is them. Mary chopped off too many years for me to find her. I found them maybe about the same time you did but had to search William to get them...... > Aberdeen Evening Express 09 Oct 1883 > A Female Waterloo Veteran - At one of the London Police Courts Mr S R Abrahams asked the Magistrate if his attention had been > called to the case of Mrs Mary Strachan, a respectable old woman, aged 93. Mr Mansfield said it had and he had given her a little > assistance. Mr Abrahams said he was glad to hear it, as he considered it a very deserving case. Mr Mansfield was informed that Mrs > Strachan's husband had been killed on the field of Waterloo by a spent ball, Mrs Strachan being herself on the field. She is now in > receipt of 5s 4d a week from the Waterloo Fund for her support. She has never received Parish Relief and is now in a state of > destitution. Her husband belonged to the 28th, once called "The Old Brags". Mr Mansfield ordered the old lady to recieve 18s, for > which she appeared very grateful. > > There is a death registered at Westminster Mar 1882 of William Strachan aged 60 which may be Mary's husband and may explain > Mary's destitution in 1883. Many thanks for these. Mary lived to an extraordinary age, especially when you consider that she was living in Victorian London. Not only did she outlive three husbands, and outlive her daughter, she outlived her granddaughter as well (my great great grandmother, Isabella (Farrant) Hallon died in Lewes in 1884). The family do seem to have been quite disconnected though. William and Mary Strachan were still alive when Mary's daughter Mary Ann (Cochrane) Farrant was admitted to and died in Marylebone Workhouse in 1878, and although my branch had moved away, Mary Strachan did have a grandson (Samuel Farrent b.1857, Isle of Wight) still in London in 1883 when she was in the destitution referred to in the article. > I found this article about the women at Waterloo which may be of interest to you. > http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-women-at-waterloo.htm It is, thank-you. I wonder whether it is my 4xGt grandparents specifically being referred to in the line Elizabeth quoted. > Thomas Edwards and Mary Cosgrave also baptised daughters at Clifton, Anna 1823, Maria Francisca in 1828 and Ludovica in 1836 and, > if I have identified the family correctly in 1841, they had several other children. Thanks for this. I ordered the marriage of William Strachan and Mary Edwards on the priority service so that I would see it before I went to Bristol next week, but it does not seem I need the verification so urgently now, because........ > In 1841 a Mary Edwards, aged 47, born Ireland, needlewoman is living at Lower Vine Street, St James with William Edwards aged 20, > Anne Edwards aged 18, Frances Edwards aged 13, Joseph Edwards aged 11 and Teresa Edwards aged 8 - all born out of county. This is a key piece of evidence, thank-you. Ancestry transcribed Mary as being born Scotland hence I did not find her. What settles it for me though are the next two names on the sheet..... Mary Anne Farrant age 25 needlewoman born outside county (my 3xGt grandmother) Isabella Farrant age 5 months born in county (my 2xGt grandmother) Many many thanks Best regards Peter

Good morning Elizabeth, Thank-you for your continuing interest and suggestions. Thank-you also to Joy for the further information which I will turn to next. I am curious as to why Mary attracted such news coverage north of the border. I found one article following Joy's prompting where one paper refers to her as "the Heroine of Waterloo". I think it is becoming increasingly clear that Mary was Irish, and possibly Roman Catholic, and whilst Mary's 3rd? husband appears to have been Scottish, I have no reason to think Simon was Scottish. There are some transcription issues with the name COCKRAM? COCKRAN? COCKRANE? but the army documents that I have seen are consistent in recording his birthplace as Silverton, and the census records are consistent in recording their daughter's birthplace as being Silverton, Devon. I also have no reason to suppose that Simon was not C of E (his marriage licence was issued by the Church of Ireland, not the Roman Catholics). I still need to find more about documents E182/208 about a "Symon COCKRAM" of Chudleigh in the 28th Army of Reserve in 1803 and WO25/955 which covers Simon COCKRANE's enlistment on 4th October 1805 which are both on FindMyPast in transcribed form only. The latter document is likely to be at Kew, but I wonder whether the former which is from "Napoleonic War Records 1775 - 1817" might be in Exeter which would probably be sufficient incentive to bring me down to Devon during my planned research week. I have established that there is a C of E baptism for a Simon COCKRAM in Silverton on 25th July 1786, and he was the illegitimate son of another Mary. I suspect that his mother was christened on 20th April 1767, daughter of another Simon and Mary WOODBURY who married at Silverton the preceding year. My suspicion is that Mary chr 1767 went on to marry John KERSLAKE, a weaver, in 1800 and had three further children with him between 1799 and 1803. John and Mary Kerslake were recorded in the 1841 Silverton census and both died within weeks of that census. My thinking at this point is that Sergeant Simon COCKRANE was a Devon man who served with the 28th Regiment of Foot who met Mary COSGRAVE?, an Irish woman, whilst his regiment were stationed there in 1814. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizgh via Sent: 20 June 2015 11:34 To: joy.langdon@btinternet.com; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi , and thanks for this , I would be doing housework but instead thanks to Joy I am engrossed in the women of Waterloo, so much I didn`t know . Do you think the woman mentioned " A shell inflicted two wounds on the wife of an injured sergeant in the 28th as she carried him from the field ..." was Mary Cochrane ? But from the report in the Aberdeen newspaper , I think more and more that this Simon and Mary Cochrane are Scottish or Irish and not Devon . It would help to find Simon Cockram of Silverton and wonder if Graham Parnell the OPC has something more on him And who administered the Waterloo fund ? which again I had never heard of . -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:21 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi Peter, I had also found the Mary Strachan married to William Strachan, tailor and wondered if she had chopped some years off her age when she married a younger man. Another article about Mary - in 1883 she was living at 19 Fouberts Place which is in St James, Westminster. You mention you had not found them in 1871, I think they are at King Street, St James , Westminster, (Ref RG 10 137 78 30), William is 48 and Mary 60. Aberdeen Evening Express 09 Oct 1883 A Female Waterloo Veteran - At one of the London Police Courts Mr S R Abrahams asked the Magistrate if his attention had been called to the case of Mrs Mary Strachan, a respectable old woman, aged 93. Mr Mansfield said it had and he had given her a little assistance. Mr Abrahams said he was glad to hear it, as he considered it a very deserving case. Mr Mansfield was informed that Mrs Strachan's husband had been killed on the field of Waterloo by a spent ball, Mrs Strachan being herself on the field. She is now in receipt of 5s 4d a week from the Waterloo Fund for her support. She has never received Parish Relief and is now in a state of destitution. Her husband belonged to the 28th, once called "The Old Brags". Mr Mansfield ordered the old lady to recieve 18s, for which she appeared very grateful. There is a death registered at Westminster Mar 1882 of William Strachan aged 60 which may be Mary's husband and may explain Mary's destitution in 1883. I found this article about the women at Waterloo which may be of interest to you. http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-women-at-waterloo.htm Thomas Edwards and Mary Cosgrave also baptised daughters at Clifton, Anna 1823, Maria Francisca in 1828 and Ludovica in 1836 and, if I have identified the family correctly in 1841, they had several other children. In 1841 a Mary Edwards, aged 47, born Ireland, needlewoman is living at Lower Vine Street, St James with William Edwards aged 20, Anne Edwards aged 18, Frances Edwards aged 13, Joseph Edwards aged 11 and Teresa Edwards aged 8 - all born out of county. Kind regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 19/06/2015 - 10:05 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real find . I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d per week !!!! Notice that in the various very good programmes this week on Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the women of Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a Devonian ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in any of the census from 1841 upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd but that starts in 1837 and as a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan was also 28th Regt of Foot ? -----Original Message----- ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi , and thanks for this , I would be doing housework but instead thanks to Joy I am engrossed in the women of Waterloo, so much I didn`t know . Do you think the woman mentioned " A shell inflicted two wounds on the wife of an injured sergeant in the 28th as she carried him from the field ..." was Mary Cochrane ? But from the report in the Aberdeen newspaper , I think more and more that this Simon and Mary Cochrane are Scottish or Irish and not Devon . It would help to find Simon Cockram of Silverton and wonder if Graham Parnell the OPC has something more on him And who administered the Waterloo fund ? which again I had never heard of . -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:21 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi Peter, I had also found the Mary Strachan married to William Strachan, tailor and wondered if she had chopped some years off her age when she married a younger man. Another article about Mary - in 1883 she was living at 19 Fouberts Place which is in St James, Westminster. You mention you had not found them in 1871, I think they are at King Street, St James , Westminster, (Ref RG 10 137 78 30), William is 48 and Mary 60. Aberdeen Evening Express 09 Oct 1883 A Female Waterloo Veteran - At one of the London Police Courts Mr S R Abrahams asked the Magistrate if his attention had been called to the case of Mrs Mary Strachan, a respectable old woman, aged 93. Mr Mansfield said it had and he had given her a little assistance. Mr Abrahams said he was glad to hear it, as he considered it a very deserving case. Mr Mansfield was informed that Mrs Strachan's husband had been killed on the field of Waterloo by a spent ball, Mrs Strachan being herself on the field. She is now in receipt of 5s 4d a week from the Waterloo Fund for her support. She has never received Parish Relief and is now in a state of destitution. Her husband belonged to the 28th, once called "The Old Brags". Mr Mansfield ordered the old lady to recieve 18s, for which she appeared very grateful. There is a death registered at Westminster Mar 1882 of William Strachan aged 60 which may be Mary's husband and may explain Mary's destitution in 1883. I found this article about the women at Waterloo which may be of interest to you. http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-women-at-waterloo.htm Thomas Edwards and Mary Cosgrave also baptised daughters at Clifton, Anna 1823, Maria Francisca in 1828 and Ludovica in 1836 and, if I have identified the family correctly in 1841, they had several other children. In 1841 a Mary Edwards, aged 47, born Ireland, needlewoman is living at Lower Vine Street, St James with William Edwards aged 20, Anne Edwards aged 18, Frances Edwards aged 13, Joseph Edwards aged 11 and Teresa Edwards aged 8 - all born out of county. Kind regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 19/06/2015 - 10:05 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real find . I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d per week !!!! Notice that in the various very good programmes this week on Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the women of Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a Devonian ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in any of the census from 1841 upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd but that starts in 1837 and as a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan was also 28th Regt of Foot ? -----Original Message----- ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Peter, I had also found the Mary Strachan married to William Strachan, tailor and wondered if she had chopped some years off her age when she married a younger man. Another article about Mary - in 1883 she was living at 19 Fouberts Place which is in St James, Westminster. You mention you had not found them in 1871, I think they are at King Street, St James , Westminster, (Ref RG 10 137 78 30), William is 48 and Mary 60. Aberdeen Evening Express 09 Oct 1883 A Female Waterloo Veteran - At one of the London Police Courts Mr S R Abrahams asked the Magistrate if his attention had been called to the case of Mrs Mary Strachan, a respectable old woman, aged 93. Mr Mansfield said it had and he had given her a little assistance. Mr Abrahams said he was glad to hear it, as he considered it a very deserving case. Mr Mansfield was informed that Mrs Strachan's husband had been killed on the field of Waterloo by a spent ball, Mrs Strachan being herself on the field. She is now in receipt of 5s 4d a week from the Waterloo Fund for her support. She has never received Parish Relief and is now in a state of destitution. Her husband belonged to the 28th, once called "The Old Brags". Mr Mansfield ordered the old lady to recieve 18s, for which she appeared very grateful. There is a death registered at Westminster Mar 1882 of William Strachan aged 60 which may be Mary's husband and may explain Mary's destitution in 1883. I found this article about the women at Waterloo which may be of interest to you. http://www.historynet.com/napoleonic-wars-women-at-waterloo.htm Thomas Edwards and Mary Cosgrave also baptised daughters at Clifton, Anna 1823, Maria Francisca in 1828 and Ludovica in 1836 and, if I have identified the family correctly in 1841, they had several other children. In 1841 a Mary Edwards, aged 47, born Ireland, needlewoman is living at Lower Vine Street, St James with William Edwards aged 20, Anne Edwards aged 18, Frances Edwards aged 13, Joseph Edwards aged 11 and Teresa Edwards aged 8 - all born out of county. Kind regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 19/06/2015 - 10:05 (GMTST) To : joy.langdon@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real find . I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d per week !!!! Notice that in the various very good programmes this week on Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the women of Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a Devonian ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in any of the census from 1841 upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd but that starts in 1837 and as a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan was also 28th Regt of Foot ? -----Original Message-----

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Hello again, More comments below -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizgh via Sent: 19 June 2015 10:05 To: joy.langdon@btinternet.com; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , > "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real > find . I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d > per week !!!! The newspapers say that she got it from 1822. Presumably that meant that she had to fight for it for seven years. I wonder whether there are any surviving papers about that. > Notice that in the various very good programmes this week on Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the > women of Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a Devonian ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in > any of the census from 1841 upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd but that starts in 1837 and as > a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have > married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan > was also 28th Regt of Foot ? Well the death certificate Joy found is on order, but after an evening of research a theory is forming....... I think that after her ordeal at Waterloo my 4xGt grandmother came to Silverton, gave birth to my 3xGt grandmother and then she married a Thomas Edwards - there is a marriage that could fit that took place at Exeter St Sidwell on 13th July 1818. Thomas EDWARDS to Mary Ann COCHRAN. Unfortunately the image does not appear to be one of the ones on FMP, but I did take some notes on a previous visit to the RO - Groom sojourner, bride sojourner in the parish of St Sidwell, by banns, witnesses Mary STANLEY, Ann WOODROW. I will have to see about getting a copy to allow me to do some handwriting analysis. I have then found a baptism which is very interesting, as it contains a reference to COSGRAVE which is the name on the Irish Licence Bond I mentioned before: Name: Teresa Edwards Gender: Female Birth Date: 24 Jul 1833 Baptism Date: 30 Jul 1833 Baptism Place: Clifton, Gloucester, England Father: Thomae Edwards Mother: Mariae Cosgrave I have not found the Edwards family in 1841, so on to 13th September 1849 when at Marylebone All Souls a Mary Edwards married a t William Strachan. Unfortunately the image for this one does not appear to be available either, but if my theory is correct, Mary's new husband was from Scotland, a tailor, and some thirty years her junior. The reason why she did not come up on census data at first search would be because her age was understated presumably so the age gap did not look so great. In 1851 she was recorded as being 48 and her husband 29, and living with them was her daughter, Teresa EDWARDS age 19 born Bristol. In later censii it is just Mary and her husband - ages 56 and 38 in 1861, and ages 80 and 59 in 1881 (I have not found them in 1871). In these two William's birthplace is listed simply as "Scotland" and Mary's as "Ireland", so I am much further on that I was 24 hours ago. A big thank-you once again for Joy. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:30 PM To: Peter J Richardson ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Several newspapers reported this article on 14 July 1883: "A Waterloo Heroine - In London the other day at Marlborough St Police Court, Mary Strachan, born in 1791, attended before Mr Newton to have her pension paper signed, she being allowed a pension - which she has received since 1822 - of £14 a year, her first husband, Simon Cochrane, a sergeant of the 28th Regiment of Foot, having being engaged in the Battle of Waterloo, and Mrs Strachan having been on the battlefield at the time. Her husband was killed." I couldn't find a Mary Strachan born c1791 on the 1881 census but there is a burial indexed Marylebone district 1885 of Mary Strachan aged 93. Regards, Joy

Hi , in the BMD registers there are only 9 entries for Cockram in Devon and they start 1740 and finish 1837. The early ones are recorded at Bow Presbyterian in Exeter, and Salem Independent at Newton Abbot . The closest to the 1816/7 bapt is one of George son of Thomas and Mary in the Wesleyan Methodist chapel at Tiverton . There is one Cochrane , at Crediton , 1811 Elizabeth dau of John and Mary . There are a good number of Farrants , mainly bapt in the Sidbury, E Budleigh , B Salterton chapels 1762 - 1836 . -----Original Message----- From: Peter J. Richardson via Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:22 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello again Elizabeth and Joy, On 19 June 2015 at 10:05, elizgh via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , > "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real > find . It is a stunning find. I can't wait to get home and start researching it! To have been actually on the field, and witnessed the death of your husband, how traumatic is that? I saw one of the reports on the news which suggested that in terms of people killed in a short time and in a small space, Waterloo was worse than any of the notorious battles of the first World War. I knew from my visit to the South Gloucestershire Museum that the wives travelled with the regiment in Spain and Ireland, but I'd assumed that Mary had gone to Devon when Simon sailed to Ostend. > I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d > per week !!!! Notice that in the various very good programmes this week > on > Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the women of > Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a > Devonian My guess would be that she would be from somewhere the regiment was deployed, probably Irish but possibly Spanish or Portuguese. I have not found C of E baptisms for any of the Farrant children and my great great grandmother (Isabella Farrrant, b.c.1842 probably Lyme Regis) marrried an Irish Catholic and then that line was Catholic all the way down to me. Regards Peter > ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in any of the census from > 1841 > upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd > but > that starts in 1837 and as a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have > married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan > was also 28th Regt of Foot ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joy Langdon via > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:30 PM > To: Peter J Richardson ; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > > Several newspapers reported this article on 14 July 1883: > > "A Waterloo Heroine - In London the other day at Marlborough St Police > Court, Mary Strachan, born in 1791, attended before Mr Newton to have her > pension paper signed, she being allowed a pension - which she has received > since 1822 - of £14 a year, her first husband, Simon Cochrane, a sergeant > of > the 28th Regiment of Foot, having being engaged in the Battle of Waterloo, > and Mrs Strachan having been on the battlefield at the time. Her husband > was killed." > > I couldn't find a Mary Strachan born c1791 on the 1881 census but there is > a > burial indexed Marylebone district 1885 of Mary Strachan aged 93. > > Regards, > > Joy > > ----Original message---- > From : devon@rootsweb.com > Date : 17/06/2015 - 23:11 (GMTST) > To : devon@rootsweb.com > Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > > Hello all, > > > > My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 > (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 > in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, > soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in > Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, > Somerset. > Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in > Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 > where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, > Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. > > > > So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who > died 200 years ago this week? > > > > Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in > Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. > Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion > 28th > Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). > During > that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile > he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with > a > licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he > sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants > would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died > of > Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there > was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. > As > one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was > considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's > parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so > presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they > seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's > marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. > > > > Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of > an > archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was > recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me > this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the > Records > Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now > and > whether it is available to view please? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Regards > > Peter > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Haven`t got time now but there are a good many Farrants and Cockrams in the BMDregisters in Devon at the time you are interested in ......these are all the RG4 plus plus registers of non conformists . -----Original Message----- From: Peter J. Richardson via Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:22 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello again Elizabeth and Joy, On 19 June 2015 at 10:05, elizgh via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , > "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real > find . It is a stunning find. I can't wait to get home and start researching it! To have been actually on the field, and witnessed the death of your husband, how traumatic is that? I saw one of the reports on the news which suggested that in terms of people killed in a short time and in a small space, Waterloo was worse than any of the notorious battles of the first World War. I knew from my visit to the South Gloucestershire Museum that the wives travelled with the regiment in Spain and Ireland, but I'd assumed that Mary had gone to Devon when Simon sailed to Ostend. > I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d > per week !!!! Notice that in the various very good programmes this week > on > Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the women of > Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a > Devonian My guess would be that she would be from somewhere the regiment was deployed, probably Irish but possibly Spanish or Portuguese. I have not found C of E baptisms for any of the Farrant children and my great great grandmother (Isabella Farrrant, b.c.1842 probably Lyme Regis) marrried an Irish Catholic and then that line was Catholic all the way down to me. Regards Peter > ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in any of the census from > 1841 > upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd > but > that starts in 1837 and as a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have > married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan > was also 28th Regt of Foot ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joy Langdon via > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:30 PM > To: Peter J Richardson ; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > > Several newspapers reported this article on 14 July 1883: > > "A Waterloo Heroine - In London the other day at Marlborough St Police > Court, Mary Strachan, born in 1791, attended before Mr Newton to have her > pension paper signed, she being allowed a pension - which she has received > since 1822 - of £14 a year, her first husband, Simon Cochrane, a sergeant > of > the 28th Regiment of Foot, having being engaged in the Battle of Waterloo, > and Mrs Strachan having been on the battlefield at the time. Her husband > was killed." > > I couldn't find a Mary Strachan born c1791 on the 1881 census but there is > a > burial indexed Marylebone district 1885 of Mary Strachan aged 93. > > Regards, > > Joy > > ----Original message---- > From : devon@rootsweb.com > Date : 17/06/2015 - 23:11 (GMTST) > To : devon@rootsweb.com > Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > > Hello all, > > > > My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 > (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 > in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, > soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in > Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, > Somerset. > Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in > Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 > where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, > Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. > > > > So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who > died 200 years ago this week? > > > > Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in > Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. > Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion > 28th > Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). > During > that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile > he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with > a > licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he > sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants > would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died > of > Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there > was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. > As > one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was > considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's > parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so > presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they > seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's > marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. > > > > Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of > an > archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was > recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me > this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the > Records > Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now > and > whether it is available to view please? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Regards > > Peter > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello again Elizabeth and Joy, On 19 June 2015 at 10:05, elizgh via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , > "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real > find . It is a stunning find. I can't wait to get home and start researching it! To have been actually on the field, and witnessed the death of your husband, how traumatic is that? I saw one of the reports on the news which suggested that in terms of people killed in a short time and in a small space, Waterloo was worse than any of the notorious battles of the first World War. I knew from my visit to the South Gloucestershire Museum that the wives travelled with the regiment in Spain and Ireland, but I'd assumed that Mary had gone to Devon when Simon sailed to Ostend. > I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d > per week !!!! Notice that in the various very good programmes this week on > Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the women of > Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a Devonian My guess would be that she would be from somewhere the regiment was deployed, probably Irish but possibly Spanish or Portuguese. I have not found C of E baptisms for any of the Farrant children and my great great grandmother (Isabella Farrrant, b.c.1842 probably Lyme Regis) marrried an Irish Catholic and then that line was Catholic all the way down to me. Regards Peter > ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in any of the census from 1841 > upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd but > that starts in 1837 and as a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have > married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan > was also 28th Regt of Foot ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joy Langdon via > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:30 PM > To: Peter J Richardson ; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > > Several newspapers reported this article on 14 July 1883: > > "A Waterloo Heroine - In London the other day at Marlborough St Police > Court, Mary Strachan, born in 1791, attended before Mr Newton to have her > pension paper signed, she being allowed a pension - which she has received > since 1822 - of £14 a year, her first husband, Simon Cochrane, a sergeant of > the 28th Regiment of Foot, having being engaged in the Battle of Waterloo, > and Mrs Strachan having been on the battlefield at the time. Her husband > was killed." > > I couldn't find a Mary Strachan born c1791 on the 1881 census but there is a > burial indexed Marylebone district 1885 of Mary Strachan aged 93. > > Regards, > > Joy > > ----Original message---- > From : devon@rootsweb.com > Date : 17/06/2015 - 23:11 (GMTST) > To : devon@rootsweb.com > Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > > Hello all, > > > > My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 > (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 > in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, > soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in > Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, Somerset. > Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in > Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 > where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, > Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. > > > > So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who > died 200 years ago this week? > > > > Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in > Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. > Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion 28th > Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). During > that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile > he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with a > licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he > sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants > would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died of > Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there > was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. As > one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was > considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's > parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so > presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they > seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's > marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. > > > > Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of an > archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was > recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me > this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the Records > Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now and > whether it is available to view please? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Regards > > Peter > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joy, wonderful snippet from the papers , "she having been on the battlefield at the time ," WOW , that is a real find . I wonder if she ever got her pension , it works out at about 2/6d per week !!!! Notice that in the various very good programmes this week on Waterloo , Wellington, Napoleon etc, no one has mentioned the women of Waterloo !!!! It would be good to think this Mary Strachan was a Devonian ....... However I can`t find her as Strachan in any of the census from 1841 upward to 1881 . Nor can I find any Mary Strachan in TNA nor in Freebmd but that starts in 1837 and as a 25yr old widow in 1815 she may well have married again soon after the war was over . I wonder if the man Strachan was also 28th Regt of Foot ? -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:30 PM To: Peter J Richardson ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Several newspapers reported this article on 14 July 1883: "A Waterloo Heroine - In London the other day at Marlborough St Police Court, Mary Strachan, born in 1791, attended before Mr Newton to have her pension paper signed, she being allowed a pension - which she has received since 1822 - of £14 a year, her first husband, Simon Cochrane, a sergeant of the 28th Regiment of Foot, having being engaged in the Battle of Waterloo, and Mrs Strachan having been on the battlefield at the time. Her husband was killed." I couldn't find a Mary Strachan born c1791 on the 1881 census but there is a burial indexed Marylebone district 1885 of Mary Strachan aged 93. Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 17/06/2015 - 23:11 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello all, My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, Somerset. Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who died 200 years ago this week? Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion 28th Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). During that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with a licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died of Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. As one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of an archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the Records Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now and whether it is available to view please? 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Hello Joy, Many thanks for this posting which has made my morning - potentially a brick wall demolished. At first glance it would seem likely that Mary Strachan is my missing 4xGt grandmother. Thanks again Peter On 18 June 2015 at 23:30, Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btinternet.com> wrote: > Several newspapers reported this article on 14 July 1883: > > "A Waterloo Heroine - In London the other day at Marlborough St Police Court, Mary Strachan, born in 1791, attended before Mr Newton to have her pension paper signed, she being allowed a pension - which she has received since 1822 - of £14 a year, her first husband, Simon Cochrane, a sergeant of the 28th Regiment of Foot, having being engaged in the Battle of Waterloo, and Mrs Strachan having been on the battlefield at the time. Her husband was killed." > > I couldn't find a Mary Strachan born c1791 on the 1881 census but there is a burial indexed Marylebone district 1885 of Mary Strachan aged 93. > > Regards, > > Joy > > ----Original message---- > From : devon@rootsweb.com > Date : 17/06/2015 - 23:11 (GMTST) > To : devon@rootsweb.com > Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon > > Hello all, > > > > My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 > (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 > in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, > soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in > Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, Somerset. > Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in > Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 > where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, > Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. > > > > So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who > died 200 years ago this week? > > > > Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in > Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. > Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion 28th > Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). During > that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile > he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with a > licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he > sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants > would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died of > Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there > was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. As > one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was > considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's > parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so > presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they > seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's > marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. > > > > Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of an > archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was > recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me > this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the Records > Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now and > whether it is available to view please? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Regards > > Peter > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

View the National Archives' Newsletter June 2015, there are files to go through there. Just subscribe to their Newsletter: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/enewsletter.htm Edna - Ottawa

View the National Archives' Newsletter June 2015, there are files to go through there. Just subscribe to their Newsletter. Edna - Ottawa

Several newspapers reported this article on 14 July 1883: "A Waterloo Heroine - In London the other day at Marlborough St Police Court, Mary Strachan, born in 1791, attended before Mr Newton to have her pension paper signed, she being allowed a pension - which she has received since 1822 - of £14 a year, her first husband, Simon Cochrane, a sergeant of the 28th Regiment of Foot, having being engaged in the Battle of Waterloo, and Mrs Strachan having been on the battlefield at the time. Her husband was killed." I couldn't find a Mary Strachan born c1791 on the 1881 census but there is a burial indexed Marylebone district 1885 of Mary Strachan aged 93. Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 17/06/2015 - 23:11 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello all, My great great great grandmother, Mary Ann COCHRANE, was born in 1816 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. She married John FARRANT on 29 August 1837 in Lyme Regis, Dorset, and recorded her father as being Simon COCHRANE, soldier. John and Mary Ann appeared in the census on 30 March 1851 in Lyndhurst. They appeared in the census on 7 April 1861 in Walcot, Somerset. Mary Ann, now a widow, appeared in the census on 2 April 1871 in Westminster. She was admitted to Marylebone Workhouse on 16 August 1878 where she died of Chronic bronchititis on 22 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. She was buried on 26 November 1878 in Marylebone, Middlesex. So who was Mary's father, Simon Cochrane? Could he have been this man who died 200 years ago this week? Simon, son of Mary COCKRAM (1766?-1841), was born in 1786 (approx.) in Silverton, Devon. He was christened on 25 July 1786 in Silverton, Devon. Between 4 October 1805 and 18 June 1815 he was a Soldier 1st Battalion 28th Regiment of Foot (later known as the South Gloucestershire Regiment). During that time he served in the Peninsular Campaign, and after Napoleon's exile he was deployed in Ireland. He may have married a Mary COSGRAVE there with a licence issued in Cloyne (Church of Ireland) Diocese. On 25 May 1815 he sailed from Cork to Ostend, Belguim, and it is likely that any dependants would have been sent by the regiment back to Silverton in Devon. He died of Killed in action on 18 June 1815 in Waterloo, Belguim. In those days there was no widow's pension or anything of that kind for those he left behind. As one of the assistants at Kew put it, in those days death in service was considered to be "breach of contract". I have found nothing in Silverton's parish records about any relief for Simon's widow or any children, so presumably they were cared for by the family, but this is a guess as they seem to have left no historic record between Simon's death and Mary Ann's marriage in Lyme Regis 22 years later. Whilst researching the South Gloucestershires, I see that I made note of an archive called the Regiment Registers 1761-1924 which at the time was recorded as being held at the Family Records Centre, and it occurred to me this archive could help me with Simon Cochrane, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Records_Centre states that the Records Centre closed in 2008. So can anybody tell me where the register is now and whether it is available to view please? Thanks in advance Regards Peter ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, My comments were aimed at military records. Parish records I find change with the parson. When my great grandmother, Susannah, from Halberton, arrived on Teesside from Devon she was enumerated as Lannah. Try Susannah with a heavy Devon accent. This was when the world was still microfilm. It took me a lot of time to figure this out. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter J Richardson via Sent: 18 June 2015 21:16 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Hello Paul, Thanks for the interest. In this case it seems to be the Irishatization (if there is such a word) of a Devon surname. :-) Your point holds true for the pages I transcribed from WO12/4430, although I think it may be also that the same person transcribes them each week. I have seen many cases of parish registers where a surname is transcribed consistently one way, then the handwriting changes (presumably where the clerk changes) and the surname in question changes to a different consistent transcription. The Church of Ireland marriage licence I referred to was not obtained from military sources, so the official army transcription would not apply. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie [mailto:paul.hockie@talk21.com] Sent: 18 June 2015 20:48 To: 'Peter J Richardson'; devon@rootsweb.com; elizgh@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Peter, Just a thought. My experience is that once you enlist and the name has been transferred to the muster, it usually (but not always, stays the same, as it is copied from one quarter to the next. I have examples of Anglicised Irish surnames that run from enlistment to collection of a pension (WO22). Soldiers(and sailors), even back then, had a number within the regiment and it is one way of separating those with the same or similar names. Paperwork, until discharge, remained the responsibility of the regiment and paperwork post discharge would require the sight of the discharge papers. Cheers Paul ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Paul, Thanks for the interest. In this case it seems to be the Irishatization (if there is such a word) of a Devon surname. :-) Your point holds true for the pages I transcribed from WO12/4430, although I think it may be also that the same person transcribes them each week. I have seen many cases of parish registers where a surname is transcribed consistently one way, then the handwriting changes (presumably where the clerk changes) and the surname in question changes to a different consistent transcription. The Church of Ireland marriage licence I referred to was not obtained from military sources, so the official army transcription would not apply. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie [mailto:paul.hockie@talk21.com] Sent: 18 June 2015 20:48 To: 'Peter J Richardson'; devon@rootsweb.com; elizgh@btinternet.com Subject: RE: [DEV] Potential Waterloo ancestor from Devon Peter, Just a thought. My experience is that once you enlist and the name has been transferred to the muster, it usually (but not always, stays the same, as it is copied from one quarter to the next. I have examples of Anglicised Irish surnames that run from enlistment to collection of a pension (WO22). Soldiers(and sailors), even back then, had a number within the regiment and it is one way of separating those with the same or similar names. Paperwork, until discharge, remained the responsibility of the regiment and paperwork post discharge would require the sight of the discharge papers. Cheers Paul