Louise. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/StokeDamerel/ is the best source for information on workhouses and it just gives Plymouth and West Devon RO. In other cases it gives dates and type of records. There is a chance that your ancestor may have been mentioned in correspondence with the Poor Law Commission, National Archives Series MH12. This happened more often than people think. Unfortunately this series has not been indexed. Also where was James Sobee born. There may have been an attempt to recover costs from his home parish. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louise C via Sent: 19 July 2015 19:43 To: Devon mailing list Subject: [DEV] Stoke Damerel Workhouse c.1891 Hello, Does anyone have experience of what records are available for Stoke Damerel Workhouse c. 1891 please? My searches of what seems to be available at Plymouth RO doesn't give me much hope. I have a birth that occurred in the Workhouse Stoke Damerel - Harry SOBYE in Sept. 1891 (I have his birth cert.) - and I'd like to know when his mother entered the workhouse, how long they were in there & if Harry's sister Mary Jane SOBEE (b. 1883) went in too. I'd also like to find Harry's baptism entry, in case his father is identified in this. Harry's & Mary Jane's mother was 'Kate' . 'Catherine' married James SOBEE in 1882. James (according to his daughter in Oct. 1898) "turned to drink" deserted the family in / by 1889 & "went to America". I can't find any further trace of James after the baptism of his dau. Mary Jane in 1883, assuming he was around at the baptism. Catherine (recorded as SOBEY) died in Cardiff in Oct. 1898. No further trace of Mary Jane or Harry after the newspaper reports of Catherine's death in Oct 1898. TIA regards, Louise ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Does anyone have experience of what records are available for Stoke Damerel Workhouse c. 1891 please? My searches of what seems to be available at Plymouth RO doesn't give me much hope. I have a birth that occurred in the Workhouse Stoke Damerel - Harry SOBYE in Sept. 1891 (I have his birth cert.) - and I'd like to know when his mother entered the workhouse, how long they were in there & if Harry's sister Mary Jane SOBEE (b. 1883) went in too. I'd also like to find Harry's baptism entry, in case his father is identified in this. Harry's & Mary Jane's mother was 'Kate' . 'Catherine' married James SOBEE in 1882. James (according to his daughter in Oct. 1898) "turned to drink" deserted the family in / by 1889 & "went to America". I can't find any further trace of James after the baptism of his dau. Mary Jane in 1883, assuming he was around at the baptism. Catherine (recorded as SOBEY) died in Cardiff in Oct. 1898. No further trace of Mary Jane or Harry after the newspaper reports of Catherine's death in Oct 1898. TIA regards, Louise

Hello all, I am back now from my genealogical trip and I thought I would let you all know what I found. On 21 June 2015 at 18:26, Joy Langdon via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Bev. > > I have looked on FMP and the only military reference I could find is > the "Army of Reserve 1803" document about a Symon Cockran from Chudleigh. This document is likely to be at Kew, so more on that to follow once I go there. > Peter, I found this document on the National Archives Discovery > catalogue which refers to a John Kerslake of Silverton and John > Whiteway of Chudeigh which possibly reveals a link between Simon's stepfather and Chudleigh? > Might be worth looking at the document when you visit Exeter. > > > Title: > John Kerslake of Silverton > Reference: 3009A-99/PO12/461-467 > > Description: Substitute for John Whiteway of Chudleigh, orders for > maintenance of his wife and 2 children > > Date: 1807-1810 It turned out that John Kerslake was the substitute, not Simon. John KERSLAKE of Silverton agreed to be a substitute for John WHITEWAY of Chudleigh. He was then admitted to the East Regiment of Militia for Devon, and then called to active service meaning that his wife Mary (probably my Simon's mother) and two children were left unsupported and had to seek the support of the parish of Silverton and received 3 shillings a week for the period 6th April 1806 until 29th September 1809. The overseers of the parish of Silverton then claimed the money from the parish of Chudleigh on a six monthly basis (hence there were 7 documents in all for the 3½ year period). I also managed to get a copy of the marriage of Thomas Edwards and Mary Cockrane at Exeter St Sidwell in 1818 (both were literate so I have some handwriting for analysis), and both were recorded as sojourners in the parish. I hoped that the banns might tell me more but it appears they have not survived. I also visited Bristol and looked at the baptisms of the Edwards children. The ones recorded by Ancestry as being "Clifton" actually turned out to be the Roman Catholic parish of St Mary on the Quay (formerly St Joseph) of Bristol. These records were largely in latin and did not give me much additional information other than to go some way to confirm my suspicion that Mary Cosgrave was Roman Catholic which would explain why her child by Simon Cockrane did not receive a Church of England baptism in Silverton, but there was one Church of England baptism at St James in Bristol (of Joseph Edwards b.1829) which gave Thomas Edwards' occupation as being "engineer". Regards Peter

is it known if this famous song is fictional, or was it based on fact? On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Barry Laughton via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The old song "Tom Pearse, Tom Pearse lend me your grey mare," from > Widecombe Fair song. Uncle Tom Cobley butred on Speryton church yard. > > On 18 July 2015 at 19:53, Lawrence Pearse via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Here is an opportunity for anyone with a Pearse ancestor in Devon in the > > second half of the 1700s to determine whether they are related to one of > > the most famous people in Anglo-Irish history. > > > > My 3 x great grandfather William Pearse was the great grandfather of > > Patrick Pearse, the leader of the 1916 Easter Uprising. Patrick was > > descended from William's second son James (born 1817); I am descended > from > > William's youngest son John Joseph (born 1821). > > > > > > I only know of William and his family from their time in London, from > > about 1812 onwards, by when William was married to an Ann (of unknown > > maiden name), and I have not found his birth or marriage - nor even his > > death for certain. But Patrick Pearse in a memoir relates that his > father's > > family were "certainly of Devon origin". That must refer to his great > > grandfather William Pearse, as Patrick's father and grandfather were both > > born in London. > > > > With no other information about William's origins to go on, it is pretty > > impossible to determine which of the many William Pearses born in Devon > in > > the late 1700s is mine. BUT DNA testing could prove to be the key to > > finding him. > > > > If William had a brother or sister (and I don't know that he did), then > > their descendants would share some DNA with me. If the putative brother > had > > an unbroken line of male descendants with one still alive, then an ftDNA > > test would show an exact match with my DNA. While a direct descendant > from > > a putative sister, or from a putative brother through a female line, is > > also likely to show a match with me through an autosomal DNA test (also > > know as a Family Finder test). I have already taken both tests. > > > > > > DNA testing does have a price, of course, but it is becoming more and > more > > common as a family history research tool and even if the results didn't > > show any match with me and thus with Patrick Pearse, they would still > > enable the person being tested to discover any previously unknown > > "cousins". And the results stay in the databases in perpetuity, to be > > compared with those taking them way into the future. > > > > If anyone is interested in pursuing this, please get in touch. > > > > Lawrence Pearse > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Peter, According to Wikipedia "Local historians have tried to identify the characters in the song. Tony Beard, a member of the local history group that has researched the song says "I'm convinced the characters were real people", concluding that they are likely to have been inhabitants of the Spreyton <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spreyton> area and that the song may commemorate an event that happened in 1802." My grandparents brought from Devon a large mug which plays this tune and has the words written on the outside. It is one of my prized possessions. Regards, Nancy Frey Windsor, Ontario On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Peter Ashford via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > is it known if this famous song is fictional, or was it based on fact? >

The old song "Tom Pearse, Tom Pearse lend me your grey mare," from Widecombe Fair song. Uncle Tom Cobley butred on Speryton church yard. On 18 July 2015 at 19:53, Lawrence Pearse via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Here is an opportunity for anyone with a Pearse ancestor in Devon in the > second half of the 1700s to determine whether they are related to one of > the most famous people in Anglo-Irish history. > > My 3 x great grandfather William Pearse was the great grandfather of > Patrick Pearse, the leader of the 1916 Easter Uprising. Patrick was > descended from William's second son James (born 1817); I am descended from > William's youngest son John Joseph (born 1821). > > > I only know of William and his family from their time in London, from > about 1812 onwards, by when William was married to an Ann (of unknown > maiden name), and I have not found his birth or marriage - nor even his > death for certain. But Patrick Pearse in a memoir relates that his father's > family were "certainly of Devon origin". That must refer to his great > grandfather William Pearse, as Patrick's father and grandfather were both > born in London. > > With no other information about William's origins to go on, it is pretty > impossible to determine which of the many William Pearses born in Devon in > the late 1700s is mine. BUT DNA testing could prove to be the key to > finding him. > > If William had a brother or sister (and I don't know that he did), then > their descendants would share some DNA with me. If the putative brother had > an unbroken line of male descendants with one still alive, then an ftDNA > test would show an exact match with my DNA. While a direct descendant from > a putative sister, or from a putative brother through a female line, is > also likely to show a match with me through an autosomal DNA test (also > know as a Family Finder test). I have already taken both tests. > > > DNA testing does have a price, of course, but it is becoming more and more > common as a family history research tool and even if the results didn't > show any match with me and thus with Patrick Pearse, they would still > enable the person being tested to discover any previously unknown > "cousins". And the results stay in the databases in perpetuity, to be > compared with those taking them way into the future. > > If anyone is interested in pursuing this, please get in touch. > > Lawrence Pearse > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Here is an opportunity for anyone with a Pearse ancestor in Devon in the second half of the 1700s to determine whether they are related to one of the most famous people in Anglo-Irish history. My 3 x great grandfather William Pearse was the great grandfather of Patrick Pearse, the leader of the 1916 Easter Uprising. Patrick was descended from William's second son James (born 1817); I am descended from William's youngest son John Joseph (born 1821). I only know of William and his family from their time in London, from about 1812 onwards, by when William was married to an Ann (of unknown maiden name), and I have not found his birth or marriage - nor even his death for certain. But Patrick Pearse in a memoir relates that his father's family were "certainly of Devon origin". That must refer to his great grandfather William Pearse, as Patrick's father and grandfather were both born in London. With no other information about William's origins to go on, it is pretty impossible to determine which of the many William Pearses born in Devon in the late 1700s is mine. BUT DNA testing could prove to be the key to finding him. If William had a brother or sister (and I don't know that he did), then their descendants would share some DNA with me. If the putative brother had an unbroken line of male descendants with one still alive, then an ftDNA test would show an exact match with my DNA. While a direct descendant from a putative sister, or from a putative brother through a female line, is also likely to show a match with me through an autosomal DNA test (also know as a Family Finder test). I have already taken both tests. DNA testing does have a price, of course, but it is becoming more and more common as a family history research tool and even if the results didn't show any match with me and thus with Patrick Pearse, they would still enable the person being tested to discover any previously unknown "cousins". And the results stay in the databases in perpetuity, to be compared with those taking them way into the future. If anyone is interested in pursuing this, please get in touch. Lawrence Pearse

-----Original Message----- From: devon-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 8:01 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: DEVON Digest, Vol 10, Issue 132 Hallo Bev and All ! I have more to say about cousins-german as the phrase appears in the Oxford Dictionary and thank Paul Hockie for his observations so far.This work confirms that it is simply an old-fashioned term for cousin. It also confirms its Middle English origin as pointed out by Paul but that the M.E. came from Old French. Looking a bit further, the Oxford Dictionary has an entry under 'german(e)' meaning 'of the same parents', 'genuine, of the same parents' This meaning holds good in Modern French of today. The trustworthy French Larousse leaves no doubt that in the French mind the phrase 'cousins germains' refers specifically and unambiguously to cousins who are siblings born of the same mother and of the same father within a family unit, as opposed to those who might be in such a unit but with a 'foreign' parent. This is how I see it. Hopefully that might help. Richard in Brighton. ------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:41:34 +0100 From: Jane Hope <janehope-2008@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DEV] Next of Kin Cousin-German [what does that mean? ] To: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au>, <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DUB408-EAS308780E4C3A9833F333E6F0A7980@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Might it be the word germane - haven't seen it used for years - means something like 'closely akin'. Just a thought, Jane Sent from my Windows Phone ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------

Hello Barbara Yes thanks I do know - but a handy reminder. Kind regards Marie -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Mallyon via Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 6:22 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Birth of Bryant WAYMOUTH c.1816 Hello Marie, Just a thought do you know that there is a parish called Saint Pancras in Exeter not to be confused with St. Pancras in London Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon -----Original Message----- From: Marie McCulloch via Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:35 AM To: Brian Shilson ; Peter ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Birth of Bryant WAYMOUTH c.1816 Thanks Brian but they were baptised in Old Saint Pancras in London Marie ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brian, That's a thought. Thanks. Bryant could have been born in Devon. Cheers, Robyn On 15/07/2015 7:09 PM, Brian Shilson via wrote: > Try contacting the Devon FHS for their Baptism indexes. They go back to > 1813. > > On 15 July 2015 at 07:21, Peter via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: >

Afternoon all, You know I am bored when weird things turn up:) I need to clean out, so some odd things being found. What a weird term I have found. Have never heard of it before. " the Cousin-German and one of the Next of Kin " Google says My brother's son is my son's cousin German, or first or full cousin. or The term 'cousin-german' means the child of your aunt or uncle. In my case it is her her aunt's daughter. Glad I sorted that. Regards Bev

The dictionary definition of a Cousin-German is a first cousin or the child of someone's aunt or uncle. Jane is correct in her source of the word German. "German" in this phrase is nothing to do with Germany; it's a quite different Middle (i,.e. medieval) English word meaning "closely akin". It derives from a Latin word "germanus" meaning "brother"; the Spanish words "hermano" (brother) and "hermana" (sister) are derived from the same Latin word. We no longer use "german" except in this one construction, but we still do occasionally use a variant, "germane", meaning "connected, relevant". As in, "That's not germane to this problem". Source(s): The Oxford English Dictionary. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Hope via Sent: 17 July 2015 08:42 To: B. Edmonds; DEVON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Next of Kin Cousin-German [what does that mean? ] Might it be the word germane - haven't seen it used for years - means something like 'closely akin'. Just a thought, Jane Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: B. Edmonds via<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: ‎17/‎07/‎2015 06:07 To: DEVON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Next of Kin Cousin-German [what does that mean? ] Afternoon all, You know I am bored when weird things turn up:) I need to clean out, so some odd things being found. What a weird term I have found. Have never heard of it before. " the Cousin-German and one of the Next of Kin " Google says My brother's son is my son's cousin German, or first or full cousin. or The term 'cousin-german' means the child of your aunt or uncle. In my case it is her her aunt's daughter. Glad I sorted that. Regards Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Brian but they were baptised in Old Saint Pancras in London Marie -----Original Message----- From: Brian Shilson via Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 7:09 PM To: Peter ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Birth of Bryant WAYMOUTH c.1816 Try contacting the Devon FHS for their Baptism indexes. They go back to 1813. On 15 July 2015 at 07:21, Peter via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Looking at the baptism register their abode was 'Walworth' and Caleb > Bryant > WAYMOUTH's occupation looks like 'Gentleman'. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Marie McCulloch via > Sent: 15 July 2015 1:43 AM > To: Robyn Waymouth; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Birth of Bryant WAYMOUTH c.1816 > > Hi Robyn > > I was very interested in your information as I had Sophia Matilda's > surname > as CORBRIDGE. > > I had no knowledge of Bryant WAYMOUTH but I do have their son Frederick > WAYMOUTH born 3 September 1824 and christened on > 7 October 1824 at Old St Pancras the same day as his brother Henry > WAYMOUTH > who was born on 9 September 1822. > Frederick and died on 23 November 1884. Frederick married Lisca Gertrude > COLNAGHI on 28 October 1854. > > My interest is through the Colnaghi family. > > I noted that when Caleb and Sophia's daughter Caroline Matilda (Metilda) > was > christened in 1820 that the father's name was given name as Bryant and not > Caleb. > > If Caroline was Bryant's sister it is possible that on his death someone > has > mistakenly thought his mother's name was also Caroline. > > As Bryant gave his age as 25 on the 1841 census he could actually have > been > as old as 29 years. > > Never believe anything you read in the papers especially the older ones as > I > have found they are so misleading. > > Regards > Marie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robyn Waymouth via > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:42 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Birth of Bryant WAYMOUTH c.1816 > > Hi Folks, > > I can't find any formal record of Bryant WAYMOUTH's birth. I hunted for > this a few years ago and it's time to have another look, as we've just had > his grave restored here in Melbourne. Unfortunately the text is almost > worn > away. > > *An old family document (known to have errors) says he was born 1 January > 1815, parents Caleb Bryant WAYMOUTH and Sophia Matilda nee COLERIDGE. She > is said to be the daughter of Colonel COLERIDGE and niece of the Marquis > of > Anglesey. > > *The 1841 census says he was born 1816. > > *His Victorian death certificate says his mother was Caroline nee > COLERIDGE > and that he was born in London. His first daughter is Caroline Matilda > and > the name Caroline is used in the next two generations, although never > before. > > *Caleb Bryant WAYMOUTH and Sophia Matilda COLERIDGE married 10 November > 1819, St Giles in the Field, Middlesex, she as a spinster, he as a > bachelor. > > *Caleb BRYANT of Taunton Somerset was his maternal grandfather. I've > wondered if young Bryant was illegitimate, or adopted, but would he have > been given his grandfather's name? > > I've subscribed to Find My Past, but can find nothing there and have in > the > past searched Ancestry. If anyone can suggest where else I might look I'd > be very grateful. The Waymouths are an Exeter family who were moving to > London around this time, so Bryant's birth could be in either region. > > Regards, > > Robyn > Melbourne, Oz > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marie, Just a thought do you know that there is a parish called Saint Pancras in Exeter not to be confused with St. Pancras in London Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon -----Original Message----- From: Marie McCulloch via Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:35 AM To: Brian Shilson ; Peter ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Birth of Bryant WAYMOUTH c.1816 Thanks Brian but they were baptised in Old Saint Pancras in London Marie

Might it be the word germane - haven't seen it used for years - means something like 'closely akin'. Just a thought, Jane Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: B. Edmonds via<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: ‎17/‎07/‎2015 06:07 To: DEVON-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Next of Kin Cousin-German [what does that mean? ] Afternoon all, You know I am bored when weird things turn up:) I need to clean out, so some odd things being found. What a weird term I have found. Have never heard of it before. " the Cousin-German and one of the Next of Kin " Google says My brother's son is my son's cousin German, or first or full cousin. or The term 'cousin-german' means the child of your aunt or uncle. In my case it is her her aunt's daughter. Glad I sorted that. Regards Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Middle Temple records https://archive.org/stream/middletemplerec02hutcgoog/middletemplerec02hutcgoog_djvu.txt Search term is " Devon ", lots of names, about 150 References. Bev Not my family

Minutes of Parliament 1571 http://www.mocavo.co.uk/Middle-Temple-Records-Volume-1-3/299613/221 22 Oct John MARSHALL late of Lyons Inne, second son of of Tingrace [sic] Devonshire, gent, generally; fine, 30s. Bound with his father and Thomas, his brother Bev Not my family

Rather than going here to flip through the pages [it you do not have the time] if looking for your name. [there is an index at the back of the book.] https://archive.org/details/abstractssomers00browgoog Go here and there is an Index to same Book by the Rev'd Frederick BROWN http://www.westcountrygenealogy.com/directories/abstracts-somerset-wills-2.htm By doing that though you miss out on reading who all the beneficiaries are, quite often people living in Devon. Regards Bev

I have been reminded about the Totnes Image Bank which has a photograph of the London Inn in 1910 at http://www.totnesimagebank.org/media-gallery/detail/302/1117 Comparison with Google Maps shows that the London Inn was in the building that still exists at the NE corner of Morley Cross, which I had suspected but wanted confirmed. Thank you to Paul Hockle and others who contacted me. Chris On 16/07/2015 18:56, Chris Burgoyne via wrote: > I am trying to resolve some issues with my Hingston One-Name Study, in > particular relating to the family who originated in the Halwell/Morleigh > area (see http://www-civ.eng.cam.ac.uk/cjb/hingston/hh.htm). > > One particular question relates to the location of the "London Inn". > This appears to have been located at Morley Cross, which was actually > located in Halwell Parish (The parish boundaries in this area were very > convoluted) - See the Genuki maps > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Moreleigh/ParishMap.html. > > The modern A381 road from Stanborough down to Halwell was a turnpike - I > am not sure when it was built but it wasn't authorised until an act of > 1834 > (http://www.turnpikes.org.uk/Devon%20-%20Kingsbridge%20Dartmouth.htm). > Before then, the route from Kingsbridge to Totnes would have passed from > Stanborough to Morley Cross, then down past Boriston and along the ridge > past Poulston before dropping down to Harbertonford, which as the name > suggests was a very old crossing place for the River Harbourne. There > was another ridge road (a sign of a very old route) from Morley Cross > north westwards towards Dartmoor, along the watershed between the Avon > and Harbourne/Dart rivers. (See > http://www.geographicus.com/P/AntiqueMap/Devon-donn-1765 which shows the > pre-turnpike road layout) > > So Morley Cross was very probably an important cross roads for a very > long time, and could well have been the site of a coaching inn from > which you could take the coach to distant places, like London, hence the > name. > > The "New Inn" at Morleigh (about 100m west of Morley Cross) is itself > quite old, but to be a new Inn there had to have ben an old Inn. Was > this the London Inn? There appears to be an old building in the NE > corner of Morley Cross - the other three corners do not appear to be > occupied. Was this originally "The London Inn"? Did it close when the > turnpike bypassed Morley and took away its trade? I have Hingstons > living at the London Inn in 1861 so it was still working then. > > (I am aware that there was also a London Inn in Stoke Fleming, and there > were also Hingstons there, but it is the Morleigh one I want to locate). > > If anyone has any information I would be delighted to hear from them. > > Chris Burgoyne > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, A quick search on Google comes up with http://pubshistory.com/Devon/Halwell/LondonInn.shtml which refers to Whites 1850 and 1878 directories. If you search FMP for House Name: London Inn and Where:Halwell, Devon, it finds the Hingston Family living at the London Inn in 1851. Browsing the images it is in the middle of Morley Cross and the enumerator had come from Boreston and gone on to Stanborough. I had a look at NLS maps. Morley became Moreleigh by 1888 but it is easy to see the enumerators route. The Inn is not marked but there are enough buildings shown to match with the census. Looking at Google earth most of the village seems to have been rebuilt but the current Moreleigh Cross Farm may be a contender. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Burgoyne via Sent: 16 July 2015 18:56 To: devon@rootsweb.com; hingston@rootsweb.com; sarah; info@halwellmoreleigh.co.uk Subject: [DEV] London Inn, Morleigh/Halwell I am trying to resolve some issues with my Hingston One-Name Study, in particular relating to the family who originated in the Halwell/Morleigh area (see http://www-civ.eng.cam.ac.uk/cjb/hingston/hh.htm). One particular question relates to the location of the "London Inn". This appears to have been located at Morley Cross, which was actually located in Halwell Parish (The parish boundaries in this area were very convoluted) - See the Genuki maps http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Moreleigh/ParishMap.html. The modern A381 road from Stanborough down to Halwell was a turnpike - I am not sure when it was built but it wasn't authorised until an act of 1834 (http://www.turnpikes.org.uk/Devon%20-%20Kingsbridge%20Dartmouth.htm). Before then, the route from Kingsbridge to Totnes would have passed from Stanborough to Morley Cross, then down past Boriston and along the ridge past Poulston before dropping down to Harbertonford, which as the name suggests was a very old crossing place for the River Harbourne. There was another ridge road (a sign of a very old route) from Morley Cross north westwards towards Dartmoor, along the watershed between the Avon and Harbourne/Dart rivers. (See http://www.geographicus.com/P/AntiqueMap/Devon-donn-1765 which shows the pre-turnpike road layout) So Morley Cross was very probably an important cross roads for a very long time, and could well have been the site of a coaching inn from which you could take the coach to distant places, like London, hence the name. The "New Inn" at Morleigh (about 100m west of Morley Cross) is itself quite old, but to be a new Inn there had to have ben an old Inn. Was this the London Inn? There appears to be an old building in the NE corner of Morley Cross - the other three corners do not appear to be occupied. Was this originally "The London Inn"? Did it close when the turnpike bypassed Morley and took away its trade? I have Hingstons living at the London Inn in 1861 so it was still working then. (I am aware that there was also a London Inn in Stoke Fleming, and there were also Hingstons there, but it is the Morleigh one I want to locate). If anyone has any information I would be delighted to hear from them. Chris Burgoyne ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message