If there is a burial record in existence it may be in a slightly strange place. My wife was looking for burial records for a Swindon cemetery and found the information she wanted several miles away in Swindon Crematorium. They had big books with each numbered plot and the names of the people in each grave. Presumably the records were kept here as the crematorium office had the space. Regards Paul Challice Hi , there is or was a burial book , for the use of undertakers so that they dug graves in free earth........and not like the wonderful burial site under Liverpool St Station, 3 or more piled on top of one another !! I don`t doubt that this graveyard was long since closed but the burials book should be either with the priest in charge or the current churchwardens might know where it could be . However even if you find a grave number , my great granny is in row 7 and no 4 grave, it means nothing except a general area of grass. and this was in the newly opened cemetary at Budleigh Salterton . Where she is exactly cannot be ascertained !!!! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I do believe that the Lane family has it's own aisle in the Church at Cullompton. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Mallyon via Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:57 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Fw: Re Sophia Tree my Brick Wall Hello Everyone, Here are some more marriage to the TREE family at the Apostle Church Exeter BN M050531 Sarah 17 April 1783 to John LANE Sarah 5 November 1836 to John BARRETT Jane 11 July 1814 to Robert WILSON Dorothy 10 February 1728 to Thomas SEARLE Elizabeth 28 February 1809 to John FREEMAN James TRY 11 July 1813 married Elizabeth WEDLOCK Joan TREY 30 September 1739 to William JENKINS If anyone links into these marriages I will be pleased to hear from you. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a mystery which I just thought I would run past you, to see if anyone had come across it before... Richard TREASE (spellings vary) married Alice PELLEW/PELLOW in St Dominick, Cornwall in 1836. Both are "of this parish" but from the 1851 census onwards, Alice states her birthplace as Bridestowe, Devon. Her birth date, calculated from ages given in the censuses, would be c.1815. There are no baptisms for an Alice PELL*W in Bridestowe within 5 years of 1815, but there is one in Sourton, which is the next parish. This Alice was baptised on 12 March 1815, the daughter of William P and Alice his wife. The 1841 census for William - a Farmer - and Alice PELLOW does not include Alice, as she was married by this time, but does include a Sophia, age 2. Sophia was baptised at Sourton in 1839, the daughter of Alice PELLOW, single woman. In the 1851 census, Sophia is recorded as the stepdaughter of Henry Bolt and his wife Alice. Henry Bolt married Alice PELLOW in 1849, both were single and of full age. Alice gives her father's name as William, a farmer. The OPC for Sourton and Bridestowe has provided me with all the baptisms of PELL*Ws. The only other one I have found is in Mary Tavy - Alice, daughter of Edmund PELLOW and Ann, on 25 February 1815. Mary Tavy is about 7 miles from Bridestowe and Sourton, and Edmund's residence is given as Lower Creston which I have been unable to find. Alice consistently gives her birthplace as Bridestowe and yet cannot be the daughter of William the farmer and Alice who had an illegitimate daughter Sophia in 1839 and married Bolt in 1849.. Does anyone have any thoughts? It seems pretty obvious that "my" Alice PELLOW still needs to be found.. Regards Ruth

A Sophia TREE was baptised 22 Dec 1802 at Littleham nr Exmouth dau of John & Sally. The marriage entry states that she was of the 'precinct of Bradninch' and was witnessed by a Sarah TREE. Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Mallyon via Sent: 21 July 2015 10:56 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Fw: Re Sophia TREE my brickwall Hello Everyone, My brick wall is my 3 x great grandmother Sophia TREE, born 1804 St. Pancras Exeter, according to the IGI, I'm only sorry I did not put down the batch number where I got this information from. I have looked on Hugh WALLIS batch numbers for St. Pancras and every church in Exeter that covers the date 1804 but cannot find the parents of Sophia TREE, Any help that you can give to me to find Sophia's parents I would be very grateful for. Sophia married William CHANNON 23 January 1826 St. Lawrence Church, Exeter BN M050961 they had 9 children that is all I can connect to this side of the TREE family. Here are some marriages that married into the TREE family at St. Sidwell Church Exeter BN M050511. Margaret married 6 January 1825 to Robert MANNING Jane married 8 February 1835 to John BRITTON John married 26 March 1650 to Margaret CRITCHETT Mary married 22 June 1807 to John CULLVORD To name a few marriages, cannot connect to my TREE family until I have the name of the parents and I cannot send off for a marriage certificate as the marriage is before 1837. Please help. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have seen, spoken and emailed with the Church warden and she will not help me... I offered to donate to the Church. On 21 July 2015, at 10:56, elizgh@btinternet.com wrote: Hi , there is or was a burial book , for the use of undertakers so that they dug graves in free earth........and not like the wonderful burial site under Liverpool St Station, 3 or more piled on top of one another !! I don`t doubt that this graveyard was long since closed but the burials book should be either with the priest in charge or the current churchwardens might know where it could be . However even if you find a grave number , my great granny is in row 7 and no 4 grave, it means nothing except a general area of grass. and this was in the newly opened cemetary at Budleigh Salterton . Where she is exactly cannot be ascertained !!!! -----Original Message----- From: Danial Taylor via Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:01 PM To: paul.hockie@talk21.com ; Peter Armstrong ; devon@rootsweb com Subject: Re: [DEV] How to obtain burial information between 1950-1980 Thanks all for advice so far! I will see if I can get them through DFHS. The entries on Find A Grave are mine, at least concerning my family AVERY and PAUL surnames. I'm confident they are where I think they are as they lived in Germansweek all their lives. Regards, Danial On 20 July 2015, at 20:58, "paul.hockie via" <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: There are 16 20th centrury Germansweek burials listed on Familysearch.These seem to be from "Find A Grave" who possibly have more. Cheers Paul On Monday, 20 July 2015, 20:48, Peter Armstrong via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: The burial records for Germansweek 1654-1992 are at the Devon Heritage Centre in Exeter. You either need to go there yourself or employ a researcher to do so. If you have exact dates the record office staff may do a look up for you. Regards, Peter Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danial Taylor via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: [DEV] How to obtain burial information between 1950-1980 > Hello. > > I am trying to find concrete information that certain family members where > buried in Germansweek between 1905 and 1980. > > I have contacted the church at Germansweek and they cannot/will not help > for some reason or another. > > I am confident they are there, but would really benefit from source > evidence. > > I'm almost at wits end with the amount of the brick walls being built up. > The graves would be unmarked. > > Villagers whom knew my family say they are there. My grandfather is > definitely in the churchyard, as I attended his funeral as a child in > 1999. > > Please help! > > Danial Taylor ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Danial, I realise this is not the answer to your question, but should you wish to locate the position of their graves, although unmarked, there should be a plan showing who is buried in which plot. If the church do not have this, then try a local funeral director. They are usually most helpful. Good luck, Di On 20 July 2015 at 21:01, Danial Taylor via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Thanks all for advice so far! > > I will see if I can get them through DFHS. The entries on Find A Grave are > mine, at least concerning my family AVERY and PAUL surnames. I'm confident > they are where I think they are as they lived in Germansweek all their > lives. > > Regards, > > Danial > > On 20 July 2015, at 20:58, "paul.hockie via" <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > There are 16 20th centrury Germansweek burials listed on > Familysearch.These seem to be from "Find A Grave" who possibly have more. > Cheers > > Paul > > > > On Monday, 20 July 2015, 20:48, Peter Armstrong via < > devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > The burial records for Germansweek 1654-1992 are at the Devon Heritage > Centre in Exeter. You either need to go there yourself or employ a > researcher to do so. If you have exact dates the record office staff may do > a look up for you. > > Regards, > Peter Armstrong > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danial Taylor via" <devon@rootsweb.com> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:25 PM > Subject: [DEV] How to obtain burial information between 1950-1980 > > > > Hello. > > > > I am trying to find concrete information that certain family members > where > > buried in Germansweek between 1905 and 1980. > > > > I have contacted the church at Germansweek and they cannot/will not help > > for some reason or another. > > > > I am confident they are there, but would really benefit from source > > evidence. > > > > I'm almost at wits end with the amount of the brick walls being built up. > > The graves would be unmarked. > > > > Villagers whom knew my family say they are there. My grandfather is > > definitely in the churchyard, as I attended his funeral as a child in > > 1999. > > > > Please help! > > > > Danial Taylor > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Everyone, Here are some more marriage to the TREE family at the Apostle Church Exeter BN M050531 Sarah 17 April 1783 to John LANE Sarah 5 November 1836 to John BARRETT Jane 11 July 1814 to Robert WILSON Dorothy 10 February 1728 to Thomas SEARLE Elizabeth 28 February 1809 to John FREEMAN James TRY 11 July 1813 married Elizabeth WEDLOCK Joan TREY 30 September 1739 to William JENKINS If anyone links into these marriages I will be pleased to hear from you. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon

Hello Everyone, My brick wall is my 3 x great grandmother Sophia TREE, born 1804 St. Pancras Exeter, according to the IGI, I'm only sorry I did not put down the batch number where I got this information from. I have looked on Hugh WALLIS batch numbers for St. Pancras and every church in Exeter that covers the date 1804 but cannot find the parents of Sophia TREE, Any help that you can give to me to find Sophia's parents I would be very grateful for. Sophia married William CHANNON 23 January 1826 St. Lawrence Church, Exeter BN M050961 they had 9 children that is all I can connect to this side of the TREE family. Here are some marriages that married into the TREE family at St. Sidwell Church Exeter BN M050511. Margaret married 6 January 1825 to Robert MANNING Jane married 8 February 1835 to John BRITTON John married 26 March 1650 to Margaret CRITCHETT Mary married 22 June 1807 to John CULLVORD To name a few marriages, cannot connect to my TREE family until I have the name of the parents and I cannot send off for a marriage certificate as the marriage is before 1837. Please help. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon

Hi , there is or was a burial book , for the use of undertakers so that they dug graves in free earth........and not like the wonderful burial site under Liverpool St Station, 3 or more piled on top of one another !! I don`t doubt that this graveyard was long since closed but the burials book should be either with the priest in charge or the current churchwardens might know where it could be . However even if you find a grave number , my great granny is in row 7 and no 4 grave, it means nothing except a general area of grass. and this was in the newly opened cemetary at Budleigh Salterton . Where she is exactly cannot be ascertained !!!! -----Original Message----- From: Danial Taylor via Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:01 PM To: paul.hockie@talk21.com ; Peter Armstrong ; devon@rootsweb com Subject: Re: [DEV] How to obtain burial information between 1950-1980 Thanks all for advice so far! I will see if I can get them through DFHS. The entries on Find A Grave are mine, at least concerning my family AVERY and PAUL surnames. I'm confident they are where I think they are as they lived in Germansweek all their lives. Regards, Danial On 20 July 2015, at 20:58, "paul.hockie via" <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: There are 16 20th centrury Germansweek burials listed on Familysearch.These seem to be from "Find A Grave" who possibly have more. Cheers Paul On Monday, 20 July 2015, 20:48, Peter Armstrong via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: The burial records for Germansweek 1654-1992 are at the Devon Heritage Centre in Exeter. You either need to go there yourself or employ a researcher to do so. If you have exact dates the record office staff may do a look up for you. Regards, Peter Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danial Taylor via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: [DEV] How to obtain burial information between 1950-1980 > Hello. > > I am trying to find concrete information that certain family members where > buried in Germansweek between 1905 and 1980. > > I have contacted the church at Germansweek and they cannot/will not help > for some reason or another. > > I am confident they are there, but would really benefit from source > evidence. > > I'm almost at wits end with the amount of the brick walls being built up. > The graves would be unmarked. > > Villagers whom knew my family say they are there. My grandfather is > definitely in the churchyard, as I attended his funeral as a child in > 1999. > > Please help! > > Danial Taylor ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Barbara: On 21 Jul 2015, at 10:56, Barbara Mallyon via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > My brick wall is my 3 x great grandmother Sophia TREE, born 1804 St. Pancras > Exeter, according to the IGI, I'm only sorry I did not put down the batch > number where I got this information from. I have looked on Hugh WALLIS batch > numbers for St. Pancras and every church in Exeter that covers the date 1804 > but cannot find the parents of Sophia TREE Probably it’s not of any direct help to you, let me point out the comments about the Hugh Wallis site in GENUKI/Devon: "Though the LDS were not originally able able to get permission to film or transcribe the original registers, a good number, but far from all, of the Devon parish registers and Bishops Transcripts have had "batches" of their baptisms and marriages extracted (in the main from transcripts in the possession of the Devon & Cornwall Record Society) into the IGI. In addition, the great majority of extant Nonconformist registers have had their entries extracted into the IGI, which is now available online as part of the LDS Family Search web site. Note that a very useful means of doing surname searches of this website is now provided by the Devon section of FamilySearch: A Guide to the British Batches, by Archer Software. (This largely supersedes Hugh Wallis's IGI Batch Number pages for Devon (A-M) and Devon (N-Z).)” Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brian.randell

Hi Martin, Thank you very much for that illuminating Uncle Tom Cobley e-mail. When I was 12 I was living in Spreyton. Good bike ride Spreyton to Widecombe. Barry On 21 July 2015 at 00:29, Martin Beavis via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 Barry Laughton wrote: > > The old song "Tom Pearse, Tom Pearse lend me your grey mare," from > > Widecombe Fair song. Uncle Tom Cobley butred on Speryton church yard. > and Peter Ashford asked > > is it known if this famous song is fictional, or was it based on fact? > ------------------ > > Ah, one of my favourite childhood picture books! There's no definitive > answer as to fact or fiction. The Widecombe song is probably based on > folklore, or possibly composed as a cautionary fable about not overloading > your grey mare with too many riders. But I have previously dabbled with > Tom > Cobley after stumbling upon a snippet on GENUKI. So, for starters, see > Wikipedia and the Widecombe-in-the-Moor website: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom_Cobley > https://www.widecombe-in-the-moor.com/wid_fair/widecombe_fair.php > > Based on a distribution of surnames, the Widecombe Local History Group > suggests (albeit with some partisan interest) that the horse-riders were > real people from the nearby Spreyton and Sticklepath area > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/content/articles/2008/05/22/widecombe_fair_song_feature.shtml > but other research by Max Hooper questions that popular belief > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonSurnames/Part2.html > while older research suggests Crediton > > https://archive.org/stream/devoncornwallnot111amer#page/164/mode/2up/search/cobley > > It is, however, a fact that a land-owning yeoman called Tom Cobley did > exist - two of that name are buried in Spreyton churchyard, the elder in > 1794 (no headstone) and his nephew in 1844, as recorded by J F Chanter in > Devon and Cornwall Notes and Queries, Volume XI (1920/21), pages 7-9, 70 & > 164, > https://archive.org/stream/devoncornwallnot111amer#page/6/mode/2up > including an amusing account of the drafting of the uncle's will, which is > reproduced in full at > http://www.cobley-history.co.uk/uncletc/uncletom.html > [FAO Brian Randell: The wills of several Tom Cobley are listed around that > time in the Devon Wills Project but the blue links for 1787 and 1842 do not > work on my PC - it seems to be a domain name problem.] > Mr Chanter notes that the 1789/94 will was subsequently disputed as Cobley > against Cobley - probably challenged by the womanising other nephew who had > been disinherited. He also refers to "Widdecombe or Hoodicot Fair, as it > appeared in the the older versions", for which Hoodicot I find only one > other reference, in the Devonian Year Book of 1915 which suggests Widecombe > Fair was a local version with different words to an older tune > > http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/The_Devonian_Year_Book_1000531841/465 > > That Cobley Family website reproduces a supposedly authentic original > version of the song, as sung in 1941 by the son of the man from whom the > published version was reputedly transcribed, but the verses differ as do > the > names of the riders (Will Lewer, Jan Stewer, Harry Hawkins, Joe Davy, Harry > Whitpot, George Parsley, Dick Wills, Tom Cobley and all) whereas the names > in the widely accepted published version sound like they might have been > edited for better rhyme and alliteration. That article also makes an > unattributed claim that the owner of the grey mare was not Tom Pearse but > Tom Cobley himself, who was a local breeder of grey horses, and suggests an > alternative derivation of the Widecombe song based on the exploits of a > blacksmith's apprentice. > > Whatever conflicting information you choose to believe, it seems the aged > "uncle" Tom Cobley was a wealthy landowner, who would certainly have had > business at Widecombe Fair, and was a local personality of recent memory > whose name became associated with the song, possibly as representative > ("and > all") of his bygone generation. And he was rich enough not to need the > loan > of anybody's grey mare. > > Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously - there's rather too much Tom > Cobley on the web so I've tried to be selective, but have not read any of > the print-only books listed on the GENUKI pages. > > Regards - Martin Beavis > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 Barry Laughton wrote: > The old song "Tom Pearse, Tom Pearse lend me your grey mare," from > Widecombe Fair song. Uncle Tom Cobley butred on Speryton church yard. and Peter Ashford asked > is it known if this famous song is fictional, or was it based on fact? ------------------ Ah, one of my favourite childhood picture books! There's no definitive answer as to fact or fiction. The Widecombe song is probably based on folklore, or possibly composed as a cautionary fable about not overloading your grey mare with too many riders. But I have previously dabbled with Tom Cobley after stumbling upon a snippet on GENUKI. So, for starters, see Wikipedia and the Widecombe-in-the-Moor website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom_Cobley https://www.widecombe-in-the-moor.com/wid_fair/widecombe_fair.php Based on a distribution of surnames, the Widecombe Local History Group suggests (albeit with some partisan interest) that the horse-riders were real people from the nearby Spreyton and Sticklepath area http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/content/articles/2008/05/22/widecombe_fair_song_feature.shtml but other research by Max Hooper questions that popular belief http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonSurnames/Part2.html while older research suggests Crediton https://archive.org/stream/devoncornwallnot111amer#page/164/mode/2up/search/cobley It is, however, a fact that a land-owning yeoman called Tom Cobley did exist - two of that name are buried in Spreyton churchyard, the elder in 1794 (no headstone) and his nephew in 1844, as recorded by J F Chanter in Devon and Cornwall Notes and Queries, Volume XI (1920/21), pages 7-9, 70 & 164, https://archive.org/stream/devoncornwallnot111amer#page/6/mode/2up including an amusing account of the drafting of the uncle's will, which is reproduced in full at http://www.cobley-history.co.uk/uncletc/uncletom.html [FAO Brian Randell: The wills of several Tom Cobley are listed around that time in the Devon Wills Project but the blue links for 1787 and 1842 do not work on my PC - it seems to be a domain name problem.] Mr Chanter notes that the 1789/94 will was subsequently disputed as Cobley against Cobley - probably challenged by the womanising other nephew who had been disinherited. He also refers to "Widdecombe or Hoodicot Fair, as it appeared in the the older versions", for which Hoodicot I find only one other reference, in the Devonian Year Book of 1915 which suggests Widecombe Fair was a local version with different words to an older tune http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/The_Devonian_Year_Book_1000531841/465 That Cobley Family website reproduces a supposedly authentic original version of the song, as sung in 1941 by the son of the man from whom the published version was reputedly transcribed, but the verses differ as do the names of the riders (Will Lewer, Jan Stewer, Harry Hawkins, Joe Davy, Harry Whitpot, George Parsley, Dick Wills, Tom Cobley and all) whereas the names in the widely accepted published version sound like they might have been edited for better rhyme and alliteration. That article also makes an unattributed claim that the owner of the grey mare was not Tom Pearse but Tom Cobley himself, who was a local breeder of grey horses, and suggests an alternative derivation of the Widecombe song based on the exploits of a blacksmith's apprentice. Whatever conflicting information you choose to believe, it seems the aged "uncle" Tom Cobley was a wealthy landowner, who would certainly have had business at Widecombe Fair, and was a local personality of recent memory whose name became associated with the song, possibly as representative ("and all") of his bygone generation. And he was rich enough not to need the loan of anybody's grey mare. Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously - there's rather too much Tom Cobley on the web so I've tried to be selective, but have not read any of the print-only books listed on the GENUKI pages. Regards - Martin Beavis

Lawrence - I can't help you with DNA but while your family was said to be "certainly of Devon origin" it does not follow that the William who lived in London was born in Devon, but merely that he had Devon ancestry. At first I thought it might be possible to find a PEARSE family among the few Catholics in Devon during the 1700s, but then Wikipedia told me that Patrick PEARSE's father was a Unitarian stonemason from Birmingham, so that Irish rebel may have had a Catholic mother but no Catholic ancestry anywhere on his father's side. So perhaps you need to research your nonconformist PEARSE family in London and/or Devon, including PEARCE and PIERCE. Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Pearse via Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 7:53 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] William PEARSE born Devon c.1790 and the 1916 Easter Uprising Here is an opportunity for anyone with a Pearse ancestor in Devon in the second half of the 1700s to determine whether they are related to one of the most famous people in Anglo-Irish history. My 3 x great grandfather William Pearse was the great grandfather of Patrick Pearse, the leader of the 1916 Easter Uprising. Patrick was descended from William's second son James (born 1817); I am descended from William's youngest son John Joseph (born 1821). I only know of William and his family from their time in London, from about 1812 onwards, by when William was married to an Ann (of unknown maiden name), and I have not found his birth or marriage - nor even his death for certain. But Patrick Pearse in a memoir relates that his father's family were "certainly of Devon origin". That must refer to his great grandfather William Pearse, as Patrick's father and grandfather were both born in London. With no other information about William's origins to go on, it is pretty impossible to determine which of the many William Pearses born in Devon in the late 1700s is mine. BUT DNA testing could prove to be the key to finding him. . . . Lawrence Pearse ------------------------------------------

Thanks all for advice so far! I will see if I can get them through DFHS. The entries on Find A Grave are mine, at least concerning my family AVERY and PAUL surnames. I'm confident they are where I think they are as they lived in Germansweek all their lives. Regards, Danial On 20 July 2015, at 20:58, "paul.hockie via" <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: There are 16 20th centrury Germansweek burials listed on Familysearch.These seem to be from "Find A Grave" who possibly have more. Cheers Paul On Monday, 20 July 2015, 20:48, Peter Armstrong via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: The burial records for Germansweek 1654-1992 are at the Devon Heritage Centre in Exeter. You either need to go there yourself or employ a researcher to do so. If you have exact dates the record office staff may do a look up for you. Regards, Peter Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danial Taylor via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: [DEV] How to obtain burial information between 1950-1980 > Hello. > > I am trying to find concrete information that certain family members where > buried in Germansweek between 1905 and 1980. > > I have contacted the church at Germansweek and they cannot/will not help > for some reason or another. > > I am confident they are there, but would really benefit from source > evidence. > > I'm almost at wits end with the amount of the brick walls being built up. > The graves would be unmarked. > > Villagers whom knew my family say they are there. My grandfather is > definitely in the churchyard, as I attended his funeral as a child in > 1999. > > Please help! > > Danial Taylor ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The burial records for Germansweek 1654-1992 are at the Devon Heritage Centre in Exeter. You either need to go there yourself or employ a researcher to do so. If you have exact dates the record office staff may do a look up for you. Regards, Peter Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danial Taylor via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: [DEV] How to obtain burial information between 1950-1980 > Hello. > > I am trying to find concrete information that certain family members where > buried in Germansweek between 1905 and 1980. > > I have contacted the church at Germansweek and they cannot/will not help > for some reason or another. > > I am confident they are there, but would really benefit from source > evidence. > > I'm almost at wits end with the amount of the brick walls being built up. > The graves would be unmarked. > > Villagers whom knew my family say they are there. My grandfather is > definitely in the churchyard, as I attended his funeral as a child in > 1999. > > Please help! > > Danial Taylor

Forgot to say that Registers with Images upto 1910 are also on FindMyPast. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 20/07/2015 20:41, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) via wrote: > According to Record Office Parish Register List see > http://www.devon.gov.uk/parish_register_list . The Parish Burial > Registers for Germansweek up to 1992 are deposited at the Record Office. > You would need to either contact them or contact Devon Family History > Society see http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/treehouse.htm as the hold a copy > of Parish Registers on Microfiche. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926. > >

According to Record Office Parish Register List see http://www.devon.gov.uk/parish_register_list . The Parish Burial Registers for Germansweek up to 1992 are deposited at the Record Office. You would need to either contact them or contact Devon Family History Society see http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/treehouse.htm as the hold a copy of Parish Registers on Microfiche. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926. On 20/07/2015 20:25, Danial Taylor via wrote: > Hello. > > I am trying to find concrete information that certain family members where buried in Germansweek between 1905 and 1980. > > I have contacted the church at Germansweek and they cannot/will not help for some reason or another. > > I am confident they are there, but would really benefit from source evidence. > > I'm almost at wits end with the amount of the brick walls being built up. The graves would be unmarked. > > Villagers whom knew my family say they are there. My grandfather is definitely in the churchyard, as I attended his funeral as a child in 1999. > > Please help! > > Danial Taylor >

Hello. I am trying to find concrete information that certain family members where buried in Germansweek between 1905 and 1980. I have contacted the church at Germansweek and they cannot/will not help for some reason or another. I am confident they are there, but would really benefit from source evidence. I'm almost at wits end with the amount of the brick walls being built up. The graves would be unmarked. Villagers whom knew my family say they are there. My grandfather is definitely in the churchyard, as I attended his funeral as a child in 1999. Please help! Danial Taylor Sent from my iPhone

There are 16 20th centrury Germansweek burials listed on Familysearch.These seem to be from "Find A Grave" who possibly have more. Cheers Paul On Monday, 20 July 2015, 20:48, Peter Armstrong via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: The burial records for Germansweek 1654-1992 are at the Devon Heritage Centre in Exeter. You either need to go there yourself or employ a researcher to do so. If you have exact dates the record office staff may do a look up for you. Regards, Peter Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danial Taylor via" <devon@rootsweb.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 8:25 PM Subject: [DEV] How to obtain burial information between 1950-1980 > Hello. > > I am trying to find concrete information that certain family members where > buried in Germansweek between 1905 and 1980. > > I have contacted the church at Germansweek and they cannot/will not help > for some reason or another. > > I am confident they are there, but would really benefit from source > evidence. > > I'm almost at wits end with the amount of the brick walls being built up. > The graves would be unmarked. > > Villagers whom knew my family say they are there. My grandfather is > definitely in the churchyard, as I attended his funeral as a child in > 1999. > > Please help! > > Danial Taylor ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Workhouse records are scandalously few and far between. I am lucky here to have the Minute Books of the Board of Guardians from the inception of the workhouse and have been transcribing the more Sun newspaper items from it !!!! It does on occasion note a single inmate or group of inmates who come to the notice of the Board , but there are no surviving records of Admissions and Discharges. My own great grandfather was admitted to Lewisham workhouse and The City of London has the records but they are patchy , we don`t know why , or when exactly he was admitted, and we still don`t know what happened to him beyond December 1917 , you get tantalising glimpses .........so I wish you luck but don`t set your hopes too high . -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie via Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 8:16 PM To: 'Louise C' ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Stoke Damerel Workhouse c.1891 Louise. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/StokeDamerel/ is the best source for information on workhouses and it just gives Plymouth and West Devon RO. In other cases it gives dates and type of records. There is a chance that your ancestor may have been mentioned in correspondence with the Poor Law Commission, National Archives Series MH12. This happened more often than people think. Unfortunately this series has not been indexed. Also where was James Sobee born. There may have been an attempt to recover costs from his home parish. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Louise C via Sent: 19 July 2015 19:43 To: Devon mailing list Subject: [DEV] Stoke Damerel Workhouse c.1891 Hello, Does anyone have experience of what records are available for Stoke Damerel Workhouse c. 1891 please? My searches of what seems to be available at Plymouth RO doesn't give me much hope. I have a birth that occurred in the Workhouse Stoke Damerel - Harry SOBYE in Sept. 1891 (I have his birth cert.) - and I'd like to know when his mother entered the workhouse, how long they were in there & if Harry's sister Mary Jane SOBEE (b. 1883) went in too. I'd also like to find Harry's baptism entry, in case his father is identified in this. Harry's & Mary Jane's mother was 'Kate' . 'Catherine' married James SOBEE in 1882. James (according to his daughter in Oct. 1898) "turned to drink" deserted the family in / by 1889 & "went to America". I can't find any further trace of James after the baptism of his dau. Mary Jane in 1883, assuming he was around at the baptism. Catherine (recorded as SOBEY) died in Cardiff in Oct. 1898. No further trace of Mary Jane or Harry after the newspaper reports of Catherine's death in Oct 1898. TIA regards, Louise ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus