Hi Elizgh, This question comes from your response to the thread: [DEV] Stoke Damerel Workhouse c.1891 Hoping you can assist me with the records you have. My GF was born near Stoke Damerel Workhouse and his father, mother, and later, step mother lived/worked there. John George PINE, my GGF, was labour master at the Workhouse: - 1871 he was Gardener at the Workhouse with his then wife Eva/Olivia a cook. - 1881 John George was Gardener Industrial Trainer at the workhouse with his second wife, Sarah Marshall and with his son Samuel Henry and daughter Ellen from his marriage to Eva/Olivia. I can find Eva/Olivia's death and marriage to Sarah. - 1891 census: Ellen was living with relatives of Sarah Marshall at 4 Auckland Road (just opposite the Workhouse front gate) age 16. 14-year old Samuel Henry was living in the Workhouse with his father and stepmother. I've found John George PINE's death and some addresses after 1891. I can find Samuel's movements after 1891, joining the RN, jumping ship late 1890s in Australia, etc. I have his naval record. I totally lose Ellen PINE after 1891. (interestingly the PINE family have two Christian names (John George, Samuel Henry) but Ellen doesn't). Any references to PINEs you may have during the period 1860 to early 1900s would be appreciated. Alan.

I tried emailing the OPC listed for Buckfastleigh, Colin Evans, but the email bounced back. Does anyone know if he is still doing this? Thanks, Linda

Don't forget that since around 1770 a lot of the Pine descendants are now the strangely named Pine-Coffin family. Due to inter-family marriages. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Pine via Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:16 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] PINEs in Stoke Dameral Workhouse Hi Elizgh, This question comes from your response to the thread: [DEV] Stoke Damerel Workhouse c.1891 Hoping you can assist me with the records you have. My GF was born near Stoke Damerel Workhouse and his father, mother, and later, step mother lived/worked there. John George PINE, my GGF, was labour master at the Workhouse: - 1871 he was Gardener at the Workhouse with his then wife Eva/Olivia a cook. - 1881 John George was Gardener Industrial Trainer at the workhouse with his second wife, Sarah Marshall and with his son Samuel Henry and daughter Ellen from his marriage to Eva/Olivia. I can find Eva/Olivia's death and marriage to Sarah. - 1891 census: Ellen was living with relatives of Sarah Marshall at 4 Auckland Road (just opposite the Workhouse front gate) age 16. 14-year old Samuel Henry was living in the Workhouse with his father and stepmother. I've found John George PINE's death and some addresses after 1891. I can find Samuel's movements after 1891, joining the RN, jumping ship late 1890s in Australia, etc. I have his naval record. I totally lose Ellen PINE after 1891. (interestingly the PINE family have two Christian names (John George, Samuel Henry) but Ellen doesn't). Any references to PINEs you may have during the period 1860 to early 1900s would be appreciated. Alan. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, you have all the census and after 1891 Ellen may have married try the Freebmd from 1891 onward or she may have died , ditto the deaths 1891 onward. try Pine with a y , Pyne ...... -----Original Message----- From: Alan Pine via Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:16 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] PINEs in Stoke Dameral Workhouse Hi Elizgh, This question comes from your response to the thread: [DEV] Stoke Damerel Workhouse c.1891 Hoping you can assist me with the records you have. My GF was born near Stoke Damerel Workhouse and his father, mother, and later, step mother lived/worked there. John George PINE, my GGF, was labour master at the Workhouse: - 1871 he was Gardener at the Workhouse with his then wife Eva/Olivia a cook. - 1881 John George was Gardener Industrial Trainer at the workhouse with his second wife, Sarah Marshall and with his son Samuel Henry and daughter Ellen from his marriage to Eva/Olivia. I can find Eva/Olivia's death and marriage to Sarah. - 1891 census: Ellen was living with relatives of Sarah Marshall at 4 Auckland Road (just opposite the Workhouse front gate) age 16. 14-year old Samuel Henry was living in the Workhouse with his father and stepmother. I've found John George PINE's death and some addresses after 1891. I can find Samuel's movements after 1891, joining the RN, jumping ship late 1890s in Australia, etc. I have his naval record. I totally lose Ellen PINE after 1891. (interestingly the PINE family have two Christian names (John George, Samuel Henry) but Ellen doesn't). Any references to PINEs you may have during the period 1860 to early 1900s would be appreciated. Alan. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-28593503/view#page/n19/mode/1up Queenslanders who fought in the Great war Do you and ancestors past who may have fought in the above war? If so you maybe interested. Pages can be flipped through. Queenslanders who fought in the great war / Owen Wildman(1919) http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-28593503 Regards Bev

Many thanks to everyone who has helped with the Angels - it is very much appreciated.  I've got lots more to investigate now! Linda On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 6:01 AM, "elizgh@btinternet.com" <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote:                                 Hi,  the bapt found by Bev says John the son of Philip and Joan at Holne.  Genuki.devon Towns and Parishes says Holne, 3 1/2 miles w of Ashburton , so that is another parish worth noting .  Philip and Joan have Thomas b 1764 ; Edward and Ann have Ann bapt 1762 ; Philip and Joan have Mary bapt 1761.....  Philip Angel and Joan Irish marry in Holne in April 1760 . witnesses John Irish and James Tolchard.  In 1767 Thomas Angel of Ashburton has banns read his intended is Elizabeth  Tolchard . Brian Brassett has painstakingly transcribed the registers of Holne .  Both Ashburton and Buckfastleigh have OPCs who no doubt will be able to help you further . -----Original Message----- From: LINDA MARTIN via Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:19 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Angel, Buckfastleigh Hi - I'm doing some research for a friend on the Angel(l) family from Buckfastleigh.  I have got back to John and Mary marrying 1786, and following the line from their son Philip.  If anyone has a connection I'd love to hear from you. I've  found reference on the Devon Wills Index to a will for John Angel in 1847 - is this something I could apply for through the normal Probate channels, or do I have to go through whoever created the Index? I've also found reference on Findmypast to an apprenticeship for Philip starting when he was 12 - do the original indentures exist somewhere that would give me more information? Many thanks, Linda ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi, the bapt found by Bev says John the son of Philip and Joan at Holne. Genuki.devon Towns and Parishes says Holne, 3 1/2 miles w of Ashburton , so that is another parish worth noting . Philip and Joan have Thomas b 1764 ; Edward and Ann have Ann bapt 1762 ; Philip and Joan have Mary bapt 1761..... Philip Angel and Joan Irish marry in Holne in April 1760 . witnesses John Irish and James Tolchard. In 1767 Thomas Angel of Ashburton has banns read his intended is Elizabeth Tolchard . Brian Brassett has painstakingly transcribed the registers of Holne . Both Ashburton and Buckfastleigh have OPCs who no doubt will be able to help you further . -----Original Message----- From: LINDA MARTIN via Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:19 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Angel, Buckfastleigh Hi - I'm doing some research for a friend on the Angel(l) family from Buckfastleigh. I have got back to John and Mary marrying 1786, and following the line from their son Philip. If anyone has a connection I'd love to hear from you. I've found reference on the Devon Wills Index to a will for John Angel in 1847 - is this something I could apply for through the normal Probate channels, or do I have to go through whoever created the Index? I've also found reference on Findmypast to an apprenticeship for Philip starting when he was 12 - do the original indentures exist somewhere that would give me more information? Many thanks, Linda ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Ruth If I can add my comments to your query. Alice Pellow (baptised 12March 1815) was my 2x G-GrandAunt, she being daughter of William Pellow & Alice nee Worden (my 2x G-Grandparents). Alice in 1841 census is F. Serv, age 25, at Fair Place, Okehampton (Head is Solomon Luxmore). William & Alice had 8 children, the eldest being Mary (baptised 27 December 1812, Sourton). She married William Ball. As you said, Alice had an Illegitimate daughter Sophia (baptised 10 February 1839, died 1856, buried 24 June in Okehampton). Alice married (18 April 1849 in Okehampton) Henry Bolt. She also reported the death of her father in 1849 (5 days after her marriage). Alice died in 1867 after having 6 children. Henry then married (1869) Mary Ann Ward (Widow) nee Smith. As Tim Treeby has already said I believe the Alice you're looking for is the one baptised in Mary Tavy. As Joy Langdon said it is not uncommon to be baptised elsewhere. I have 'family' born in Bridestowe/Sourton who were baptised in Lydford (3 miles), Mary Tavy and Tavistock. There is an Alice Pellow (baptised 7 May 1819, Thrushelton, 3 miles from Bridestowe), but I believe you can rule her out because she is "Unmarried" living with her parents in 1841 and 1851 census. Good Luck with Alice Roy Drew DFHS 9652 On 21/07/2015 21:58, Joy Langdon via wrote: > The Edmund and Ann in Bridestowe are the wrong ones Ruth! Tim is saying that the Edmund and Ann Pellow living in St Dominick with daughter Susanna Basset in 1851 are likely to be Alice's parents (On Freecen they have been mis-transcribed as Kellow). Edmund is 67 and Ann is 68 and Ann was buried in St Dominick in 1856 aged 73. > > Edmund's birthplace is Bridestowe on the 1851 census and Ann's birthplace is South Petherwin which fits nicely with the marriage 1805 at South Petherwin of Edmund Pellow and Ann Spear. > > Tim noted the following facts which are circumstantial evidence: > Pellow marriages at St Dominick: > Ann Pellew married Thomas Martin 1830. In 1851 Ann Martin's birthplace is Bridestowe. > Alice and Richard Treais 1836 - you know about. Like Ann and Susan she has Bridestowe as birthplace. > Susan Pellow married Samuel Bassett 1845. In 1851 she gives her birthplace as Bridestowe and Edmund and Ann Pellow are living with her. > > As for birthplace, Tim's suggestion is certainly valid and also you aren't necessarily baptised in the same parish you were born in (I wasn't). Alice's parents could have moved before the baptism or Ann could have gone to a female relative for help with the birth. > > Joy Langdon > > --Original message---- > >From : devon@rootsweb.com > Date : 21/07/2015 - 20:00 (GMTST) > To : genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk, devon@rootsweb.com > Subject : Re: [DEV] PELLOW mystery > > Having had a look at the 1851 census of Edmund and Ann in Bridestowe, I > don't think they can be the correct parents. Ann is too young to have given > birth in 1815 - she would have been 8! > > Ruth > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Tim Treeby (Genealogy) via > Sent: 21 July 2015 16:13 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] PELLOW mystery > > This starts to get complicated. > > On 1851 Census there are two Edmund Pellow' s married to an Ann. > > One in St Dominick, Cornwall, aged 67 born Bridstowe, Devon. > One in Bridstowe, Devon, aged 59 born Sourton, Devon. > > In the one in Cornwall he is living with his Daughter and Son-in-Law > (Susannah and Samuel Bassett), Susannah says born in Bridstowe. Married 1845 > Also in St Dominick is a Thomas and Ann Martin (nee Pellow), Ann says born > in Bridstowe. Married in 1830. > > So would suggest that the Alice Pellow, you are looking for is the one > baptised in Mary Tavy in 1815. > > Don't forget that they would only be putting the first place they remember > living, So if Edmund and Ann moved from Mary Tavy to Bridstowe when Alice > was say 6months to 1 year old, then she would almost certainly think that > her pob is Bridstowe not Mary Tavy. > > Looks like Ann Pellow, wife of Edmund dies in 1856, as a burial for an Ann > Pellow in St Dominick of that year aged 73. > > Hope this helps. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 21/07/2015 13:15, Ruth via wrote: >> I have a mystery which I just thought I would run past you, to see if >> anyone had come across it before... >> >> >> >> Richard TREASE (spellings vary) married Alice PELLEW/PELLOW in St >> Dominick, Cornwall in 1836. Both are "of this parish" but from the >> 1851 census onwards, Alice states her birthplace as Bridestowe, Devon. >> Her birth date, calculated from ages given in the censuses, would be > c.1815. >> >> >> There are no baptisms for an Alice PELL*W in Bridestowe within 5 years >> of 1815, but there is one in Sourton, which is the next parish. This >> Alice was baptised on 12 March 1815, the daughter of William P and Alice > his wife. >> >> >> The 1841 census for William - a Farmer - and Alice PELLOW does not >> include Alice, as she was married by this time, but does include a Sophia, > age 2. >> Sophia was baptised at Sourton in 1839, the daughter of Alice PELLOW, >> single woman. In the 1851 census, Sophia is recorded as the >> stepdaughter of Henry Bolt and his wife Alice. Henry Bolt married >> Alice PELLOW in 1849, both were single and of full age. Alice gives her > father's name as William, a farmer. >> >> >> The OPC for Sourton and Bridestowe has provided me with all the >> baptisms of PELL*Ws. The only other one I have found is in Mary Tavy >> - Alice, daughter of Edmund PELLOW and Ann, on 25 February 1815. Mary >> Tavy is about 7 miles from Bridestowe and Sourton, and Edmund's residence > is given as Lower >> Creston which I have been unable to find. Alice consistently gives her >> birthplace as Bridestowe and yet cannot be the daughter of William the >> farmer and Alice who had an illegitimate daughter Sophia in 1839 and >> married Bolt in 1849.. >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts? It seems pretty obvious that "my" >> Alice PELLOW still needs to be found.. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Ruth >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10273 - Release Date: 07/20/15 > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, the marriage register entry says the precinct of Bradninch .which if you go onto genuki.devon.exeter you will find under St Lawrence . -----Original Message----- From: Diana Stevens via Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:11 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Re Sophia TREE my brickwall Hello All The IGI entry for Sophia Tree is still there, obviously a patron entry and it says St Pancras Middlesek [sic] and leads to a tree with no other data, only the name and date. My real interest is Deborah's remark about Bradninch. Does this refer to the extra-parochial area of Exeter or is there another Bradninch (apart from the ancient parish) which is associated with the Littleham area? Best wishes from Diana On 21/07/2015, at 6:14 PM, Deborah O'Brien via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > A Sophia TREE was baptised 22 Dec 1802 at Littleham nr Exmouth dau of John > & > Sally. The marriage entry states that she was of the 'precinct of > Bradninch' > and was witnessed by a Sarah TREE. > > Regards, > > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, > Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Barbara Mallyon via > Sent: 21 July 2015 10:56 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Fw: Re Sophia TREE my brickwall > > Hello Everyone, > > My brick wall is my 3 x great grandmother Sophia TREE, born 1804 St. > Pancras > Exeter, according to the IGI, I'm only sorry I did not put down the batch > number where I got this information from. I have looked on Hugh WALLIS > batch > numbers for St. Pancras and every church in Exeter that covers the date > 1804 > but cannot find the parents of Sophia TREE, Any help that you can give to > me > to find Sophia's parents I would be very grateful for. > > Sophia married William CHANNON 23 January 1826 St. Lawrence Church, > Exeter > BN M050961 they had 9 children that is all I can connect to this side of > the > TREE family. > > Here are some marriages that married into the TREE family at St. Sidwell > Church Exeter BN M050511. > Margaret married 6 January 1825 to Robert MANNING Jane married 8 February > 1835 to John BRITTON John married 26 March 1650 to Margaret CRITCHETT Mary > married 22 June 1807 to John CULLVORD > > To name a few marriages, cannot connect to my TREE family until I have the > name of the parents and I cannot send off for a marriage certificate as > the > marriage is before 1837. Please help. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Linda There is a John ANGEL baptised 5 Feb 1766 at Holne, a lot of Holne folk made it down in Buckfastleigh so maybe you could look at him. He would be aged 20 if he married in 1786. Familysearch has John Angel England Marriages, 1538–1973 marriage: 12 October 1786 Buckfastleigh, Devon, Englandspouse: Mary Hill John ANGELL and Mary HILL Both were otp when they married by Banns, both signed their names. Witnesses Timothy Hill & Robert WEBBER Entry 68 fiche 5 Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "LINDA MARTIN via" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 4:19 AM To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Angel, Buckfastleigh > Hi - I'm doing some research for a friend on the Angel(l) family from > Buckfastleigh. I have got back to John and Mary marrying 1786, and > following the line from their son Philip. If anyone has a connection I'd > love to hear from you. > I've found reference on the Devon Wills Index to a will for John Angel in > 1847 - is this something I could apply for through the normal Probate > channels, or do I have to go through whoever created the Index? > I've also found reference on Findmypast to an apprenticeship for Philip > starting when he was 12 - do the original indentures exist somewhere that > would give me more information? > Many thanks, Linda > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara There is no baptism for a Sophia TREE on my old micro-fiche [IGI] but there is a marriage at St Lawrence to CHANNING. The Batch no for that is M050961 According to Genuki St Lawrence baptisms Entered into the IGI (as of Jan 1993): Parish Church Christenings 1604-1837 and Marriages 1604-1836. I have no idea where you got her baptism/birth date from. I could not find her under FREE or FRAY [in case she was mis-transcribed] either. Regards Bev Edmonds > Hello Everyone, > > My brick wall is my 3 x great grandmother Sophia TREE, born 1804 St. > Pancras > Exeter, according to the IGI, I'm only sorry I did not put down the batch > number where I got this information from. I have looked on Hugh WALLIS > batch

Hello All The IGI entry for Sophia Tree is still there, obviously a patron entry and it says St Pancras Middlesek [sic] and leads to a tree with no other data, only the name and date. My real interest is Deborah's remark about Bradninch. Does this refer to the extra-parochial area of Exeter or is there another Bradninch (apart from the ancient parish) which is associated with the Littleham area? Best wishes from Diana On 21/07/2015, at 6:14 PM, Deborah O'Brien via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > A Sophia TREE was baptised 22 Dec 1802 at Littleham nr Exmouth dau of John & > Sally. The marriage entry states that she was of the 'precinct of Bradninch' > and was witnessed by a Sarah TREE. > > Regards, > > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, > Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Barbara Mallyon via > Sent: 21 July 2015 10:56 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Fw: Re Sophia TREE my brickwall > > Hello Everyone, > > My brick wall is my 3 x great grandmother Sophia TREE, born 1804 St. Pancras > Exeter, according to the IGI, I'm only sorry I did not put down the batch > number where I got this information from. I have looked on Hugh WALLIS batch > numbers for St. Pancras and every church in Exeter that covers the date 1804 > but cannot find the parents of Sophia TREE, Any help that you can give to me > to find Sophia's parents I would be very grateful for. > > Sophia married William CHANNON 23 January 1826 St. Lawrence Church, Exeter > BN M050961 they had 9 children that is all I can connect to this side of the > TREE family. > > Here are some marriages that married into the TREE family at St. Sidwell > Church Exeter BN M050511. > Margaret married 6 January 1825 to Robert MANNING Jane married 8 February > 1835 to John BRITTON John married 26 March 1650 to Margaret CRITCHETT Mary > married 22 June 1807 to John CULLVORD > > To name a few marriages, cannot connect to my TREE family until I have the > name of the parents and I cannot send off for a marriage certificate as the > marriage is before 1837. Please help. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon >

Hi Linda: Details of how to use the Devon Wills Project Index to locate and obtain any extant wills (or will transcripts and abstracts) can be found in GENUKI/Devon at: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonWillsProject/index.html Cheers Brian Randell On 21 Jul 2015, at 19:19, LINDA MARTIN via <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi - I'm doing some research for a friend on the Angel(l) family from Buckfastleigh. I have got back to John and Mary marrying 1786, and following the line from their son Philip. If anyone has a connection I'd love to hear from you. > I've found reference on the Devon Wills Index to a will for John Angel in 1847 - is this something I could apply for through the normal Probate channels, or do I have to go through whoever created the Index? > I've also found reference on Findmypast to an apprenticeship for Philip starting when he was 12 - do the original indentures exist somewhere that would give me more information? > Many thanks, Linda > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

The Edmund and Ann in Bridestowe are the wrong ones Ruth! Tim is saying that the Edmund and Ann Pellow living in St Dominick with daughter Susanna Basset in 1851 are likely to be Alice's parents (On Freecen they have been mis-transcribed as Kellow). Edmund is 67 and Ann is 68 and Ann was buried in St Dominick in 1856 aged 73. Edmund's birthplace is Bridestowe on the 1851 census and Ann's birthplace is South Petherwin which fits nicely with the marriage 1805 at South Petherwin of Edmund Pellow and Ann Spear. Tim noted the following facts which are circumstantial evidence: Pellow marriages at St Dominick: Ann Pellew married Thomas Martin 1830. In 1851 Ann Martin's birthplace is Bridestowe. Alice and Richard Treais 1836 - you know about. Like Ann and Susan she has Bridestowe as birthplace. Susan Pellow married Samuel Bassett 1845. In 1851 she gives her birthplace as Bridestowe and Edmund and Ann Pellow are living with her. As for birthplace, Tim's suggestion is certainly valid and also you aren't necessarily baptised in the same parish you were born in (I wasn't). Alice's parents could have moved before the baptism or Ann could have gone to a female relative for help with the birth. Joy Langdon --Original message---- >From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 21/07/2015 - 20:00 (GMTST) To : genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [DEV] PELLOW mystery Having had a look at the 1851 census of Edmund and Ann in Bridestowe, I don't think they can be the correct parents. Ann is too young to have given birth in 1815 - she would have been 8! Ruth -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tim Treeby (Genealogy) via Sent: 21 July 2015 16:13 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] PELLOW mystery This starts to get complicated. On 1851 Census there are two Edmund Pellow' s married to an Ann. One in St Dominick, Cornwall, aged 67 born Bridstowe, Devon. One in Bridstowe, Devon, aged 59 born Sourton, Devon. In the one in Cornwall he is living with his Daughter and Son-in-Law (Susannah and Samuel Bassett), Susannah says born in Bridstowe. Married 1845 Also in St Dominick is a Thomas and Ann Martin (nee Pellow), Ann says born in Bridstowe. Married in 1830. So would suggest that the Alice Pellow, you are looking for is the one baptised in Mary Tavy in 1815. Don't forget that they would only be putting the first place they remember living, So if Edmund and Ann moved from Mary Tavy to Bridstowe when Alice was say 6months to 1 year old, then she would almost certainly think that her pob is Bridstowe not Mary Tavy. Looks like Ann Pellow, wife of Edmund dies in 1856, as a burial for an Ann Pellow in St Dominick of that year aged 73. Hope this helps. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 21/07/2015 13:15, Ruth via wrote: > I have a mystery which I just thought I would run past you, to see if > anyone had come across it before... > > > > Richard TREASE (spellings vary) married Alice PELLEW/PELLOW in St > Dominick, Cornwall in 1836. Both are "of this parish" but from the > 1851 census onwards, Alice states her birthplace as Bridestowe, Devon. > Her birth date, calculated from ages given in the censuses, would be c.1815. > > > > There are no baptisms for an Alice PELL*W in Bridestowe within 5 years > of 1815, but there is one in Sourton, which is the next parish. This > Alice was baptised on 12 March 1815, the daughter of William P and Alice his wife. > > > > The 1841 census for William - a Farmer - and Alice PELLOW does not > include Alice, as she was married by this time, but does include a Sophia, age 2. > Sophia was baptised at Sourton in 1839, the daughter of Alice PELLOW, > single woman. In the 1851 census, Sophia is recorded as the > stepdaughter of Henry Bolt and his wife Alice. Henry Bolt married > Alice PELLOW in 1849, both were single and of full age. Alice gives her father's name as William, a farmer. > > > > The OPC for Sourton and Bridestowe has provided me with all the > baptisms of PELL*Ws. The only other one I have found is in Mary Tavy > - Alice, daughter of Edmund PELLOW and Ann, on 25 February 1815. Mary > Tavy is about 7 miles from Bridestowe and Sourton, and Edmund's residence is given as Lower > Creston which I have been unable to find. Alice consistently gives her > birthplace as Bridestowe and yet cannot be the daughter of William the > farmer and Alice who had an illegitimate daughter Sophia in 1839 and > married Bolt in 1849.. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts? It seems pretty obvious that "my" > Alice PELLOW still needs to be found.. > > > > Regards > > Ruth > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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As I said, although maybe did not make it clear, think that the Edmund and Ann Pellow living in St Dominick are the parents of your Alice. Although probably related to the one living in Bridstowe. An Edmund Pellow marries Ann King in 1825 in Sourton, probably the ones living in Bridstowe in 1851. An Edmund Pellow marries Ann Spear in 1805 in South Petherwin, Cornwall, probably the ones living in St Dominick in 1851. This Edmund give residence as Bridstowe on his Marriage entry. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 21/07/2015 20:00, Ruth wrote: > Having had a look at the 1851 census of Edmund and Ann in Bridestowe, I > don't think they can be the correct parents. Ann is too young to have given > birth in 1815 - she would have been 8! > > Ruth > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Tim Treeby (Genealogy) via > Sent: 21 July 2015 16:13 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] PELLOW mystery > > This starts to get complicated. > > On 1851 Census there are two Edmund Pellow' s married to an Ann. > > One in St Dominick, Cornwall, aged 67 born Bridstowe, Devon. > One in Bridstowe, Devon, aged 59 born Sourton, Devon. > > In the one in Cornwall he is living with his Daughter and Son-in-Law > (Susannah and Samuel Bassett), Susannah says born in Bridstowe. Married 1845 > Also in St Dominick is a Thomas and Ann Martin (nee Pellow), Ann says born > in Bridstowe. Married in 1830. > > So would suggest that the Alice Pellow, you are looking for is the one > baptised in Mary Tavy in 1815. > > Don't forget that they would only be putting the first place they remember > living, So if Edmund and Ann moved from Mary Tavy to Bridstowe when Alice > was say 6months to 1 year old, then she would almost certainly think that > her pob is Bridstowe not Mary Tavy. > > Looks like Ann Pellow, wife of Edmund dies in 1856, as a burial for an Ann > Pellow in St Dominick of that year aged 73. > > Hope this helps. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 21/07/2015 13:15, Ruth via wrote:

Having had a look at the 1851 census of Edmund and Ann in Bridestowe, I don't think they can be the correct parents. Ann is too young to have given birth in 1815 - she would have been 8! Ruth -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tim Treeby (Genealogy) via Sent: 21 July 2015 16:13 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] PELLOW mystery This starts to get complicated. On 1851 Census there are two Edmund Pellow' s married to an Ann. One in St Dominick, Cornwall, aged 67 born Bridstowe, Devon. One in Bridstowe, Devon, aged 59 born Sourton, Devon. In the one in Cornwall he is living with his Daughter and Son-in-Law (Susannah and Samuel Bassett), Susannah says born in Bridstowe. Married 1845 Also in St Dominick is a Thomas and Ann Martin (nee Pellow), Ann says born in Bridstowe. Married in 1830. So would suggest that the Alice Pellow, you are looking for is the one baptised in Mary Tavy in 1815. Don't forget that they would only be putting the first place they remember living, So if Edmund and Ann moved from Mary Tavy to Bridstowe when Alice was say 6months to 1 year old, then she would almost certainly think that her pob is Bridstowe not Mary Tavy. Looks like Ann Pellow, wife of Edmund dies in 1856, as a burial for an Ann Pellow in St Dominick of that year aged 73. Hope this helps. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 21/07/2015 13:15, Ruth via wrote: > I have a mystery which I just thought I would run past you, to see if > anyone had come across it before... > > > > Richard TREASE (spellings vary) married Alice PELLEW/PELLOW in St > Dominick, Cornwall in 1836. Both are "of this parish" but from the > 1851 census onwards, Alice states her birthplace as Bridestowe, Devon. > Her birth date, calculated from ages given in the censuses, would be c.1815. > > > > There are no baptisms for an Alice PELL*W in Bridestowe within 5 years > of 1815, but there is one in Sourton, which is the next parish. This > Alice was baptised on 12 March 1815, the daughter of William P and Alice his wife. > > > > The 1841 census for William - a Farmer - and Alice PELLOW does not > include Alice, as she was married by this time, but does include a Sophia, age 2. > Sophia was baptised at Sourton in 1839, the daughter of Alice PELLOW, > single woman. In the 1851 census, Sophia is recorded as the > stepdaughter of Henry Bolt and his wife Alice. Henry Bolt married > Alice PELLOW in 1849, both were single and of full age. Alice gives her father's name as William, a farmer. > > > > The OPC for Sourton and Bridestowe has provided me with all the > baptisms of PELL*Ws. The only other one I have found is in Mary Tavy > - Alice, daughter of Edmund PELLOW and Ann, on 25 February 1815. Mary > Tavy is about 7 miles from Bridestowe and Sourton, and Edmund's residence is given as Lower > Creston which I have been unable to find. Alice consistently gives her > birthplace as Bridestowe and yet cannot be the daughter of William the > farmer and Alice who had an illegitimate daughter Sophia in 1839 and > married Bolt in 1849.. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts? It seems pretty obvious that "my" > Alice PELLOW still needs to be found.. > > > > Regards > > Ruth > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10273 - Release Date: 07/20/15

Thanks Tim. You've certainly given me something to think about. Regards Ruth -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tim Treeby (Genealogy) via Sent: 21 July 2015 16:13 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] PELLOW mystery This starts to get complicated. On 1851 Census there are two Edmund Pellow' s married to an Ann. One in St Dominick, Cornwall, aged 67 born Bridstowe, Devon. One in Bridstowe, Devon, aged 59 born Sourton, Devon. In the one in Cornwall he is living with his Daughter and Son-in-Law (Susannah and Samuel Bassett), Susannah says born in Bridstowe. Married 1845 Also in St Dominick is a Thomas and Ann Martin (nee Pellow), Ann says born in Bridstowe. Married in 1830. So would suggest that the Alice Pellow, you are looking for is the one baptised in Mary Tavy in 1815. Don't forget that they would only be putting the first place they remember living, So if Edmund and Ann moved from Mary Tavy to Bridstowe when Alice was say 6months to 1 year old, then she would almost certainly think that her pob is Bridstowe not Mary Tavy. Looks like Ann Pellow, wife of Edmund dies in 1856, as a burial for an Ann Pellow in St Dominick of that year aged 73. Hope this helps. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 21/07/2015 13:15, Ruth via wrote: > I have a mystery which I just thought I would run past you, to see if > anyone had come across it before... > > > > Richard TREASE (spellings vary) married Alice PELLEW/PELLOW in St > Dominick, Cornwall in 1836. Both are "of this parish" but from the > 1851 census onwards, Alice states her birthplace as Bridestowe, Devon. > Her birth date, calculated from ages given in the censuses, would be c.1815. > > > > There are no baptisms for an Alice PELL*W in Bridestowe within 5 years > of 1815, but there is one in Sourton, which is the next parish. This > Alice was baptised on 12 March 1815, the daughter of William P and Alice his wife. > > > > The 1841 census for William - a Farmer - and Alice PELLOW does not > include Alice, as she was married by this time, but does include a Sophia, age 2. > Sophia was baptised at Sourton in 1839, the daughter of Alice PELLOW, > single woman. In the 1851 census, Sophia is recorded as the > stepdaughter of Henry Bolt and his wife Alice. Henry Bolt married > Alice PELLOW in 1849, both were single and of full age. Alice gives her father's name as William, a farmer. > > > > The OPC for Sourton and Bridestowe has provided me with all the > baptisms of PELL*Ws. The only other one I have found is in Mary Tavy > - Alice, daughter of Edmund PELLOW and Ann, on 25 February 1815. Mary > Tavy is about 7 miles from Bridestowe and Sourton, and Edmund's residence is given as Lower > Creston which I have been unable to find. Alice consistently gives her > birthplace as Bridestowe and yet cannot be the daughter of William the > farmer and Alice who had an illegitimate daughter Sophia in 1839 and > married Bolt in 1849.. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts? It seems pretty obvious that "my" > Alice PELLOW still needs to be found.. > > > > Regards > > Ruth > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10273 - Release Date: 07/20/15

Hi - I'm doing some research for a friend on the Angel(l) family from Buckfastleigh.  I have got back to John and Mary marrying 1786, and following the line from their son Philip.  If anyone has a connection I'd love to hear from you. I've  found reference on the Devon Wills Index to a will for John Angel in 1847 - is this something I could apply for through the normal Probate channels, or do I have to go through whoever created the Index? I've also found reference on Findmypast to an apprenticeship for Philip starting when he was 12 - do the original indentures exist somewhere that would give me more information? Many thanks, Linda

This starts to get complicated. On 1851 Census there are two Edmund Pellow' s married to an Ann. One in St Dominick, Cornwall, aged 67 born Bridstowe, Devon. One in Bridstowe, Devon, aged 59 born Sourton, Devon. In the one in Cornwall he is living with his Daughter and Son-in-Law (Susannah and Samuel Bassett), Susannah says born in Bridstowe. Married 1845 Also in St Dominick is a Thomas and Ann Martin (nee Pellow), Ann says born in Bridstowe. Married in 1830. So would suggest that the Alice Pellow, you are looking for is the one baptised in Mary Tavy in 1815. Don't forget that they would only be putting the first place they remember living, So if Edmund and Ann moved from Mary Tavy to Bridstowe when Alice was say 6months to 1 year old, then she would almost certainly think that her pob is Bridstowe not Mary Tavy. Looks like Ann Pellow, wife of Edmund dies in 1856, as a burial for an Ann Pellow in St Dominick of that year aged 73. Hope this helps. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 21/07/2015 13:15, Ruth via wrote: > I have a mystery which I just thought I would run past you, to see if anyone > had come across it before... > > > > Richard TREASE (spellings vary) married Alice PELLEW/PELLOW in St Dominick, > Cornwall in 1836. Both are "of this parish" but from the 1851 census > onwards, Alice states her birthplace as Bridestowe, Devon. Her birth date, > calculated from ages given in the censuses, would be c.1815. > > > > There are no baptisms for an Alice PELL*W in Bridestowe within 5 years of > 1815, but there is one in Sourton, which is the next parish. This Alice was > baptised on 12 March 1815, the daughter of William P and Alice his wife. > > > > The 1841 census for William - a Farmer - and Alice PELLOW does not include > Alice, as she was married by this time, but does include a Sophia, age 2. > Sophia was baptised at Sourton in 1839, the daughter of Alice PELLOW, single > woman. In the 1851 census, Sophia is recorded as the stepdaughter of Henry > Bolt and his wife Alice. Henry Bolt married Alice PELLOW in 1849, both were > single and of full age. Alice gives her father's name as William, a farmer. > > > > The OPC for Sourton and Bridestowe has provided me with all the baptisms of > PELL*Ws. The only other one I have found is in Mary Tavy - Alice, daughter > of Edmund PELLOW and Ann, on 25 February 1815. Mary Tavy is about 7 miles > from Bridestowe and Sourton, and Edmund's residence is given as Lower > Creston which I have been unable to find. Alice consistently gives her > birthplace as Bridestowe and yet cannot be the daughter of William the > farmer and Alice who had an illegitimate daughter Sophia in 1839 and married > Bolt in 1849.. > > > > Does anyone have any thoughts? It seems pretty obvious that "my" Alice > PELLOW still needs to be found.. > > > > Regards > > Ruth >

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