Hi Elizabeth, If we're talking about the Army or the Navy, then there were pensions. An Army pensioner was called a Chelsea pensioner and the navy had Greenwich pensioners. If they didn't actually live at Chelsea or Greenwich, they were called out-pensioners. This was true throughout the 19th century, so would have applied at the time being discussed here. Best wishes Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Howard [mailto:elizghoward@gmail.com] Sent: 29 October 2018 23:03 To: nvlv55@yahoo.com; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] DEV] Re: WILLS Hi. No such thing as a standard works pension in those days !! You worked , you got paid ; you didn’t work , you didn’t get paid . And given the Admiral in the Big House De la Fosse he probably was RN but Wills is a very populous name so you may have some difficulty isolating which he was. Unless you can find out which ships the Admiral served on and trust to luck that your pensioner was on the same ship . Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Oct 2018, at 17:15, nvlv55--- via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Elizabeth,Yes; that is the person. I thought he was an Ag Lab (farm) pensioner; but I will go the National Archives to look and see if he is there.Thank you and regards,Sandra Wills > > From: ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> > To: Devon Rootsweb <devon@rootsweb.com> > Cc: ELIZABETH HOWARD <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 8:31 AM > Subject: [DEV] WILLS > > If the Robert Wills aged 72 in the 1841 census for E Allington is the one you need, he is A Pensioner , which may be he is a naval pensioner and may be more traceable this way via the military archives ….. try RN on the National Archives site On the E Allington site , link thank you from Joy, there are various transcriptions of bmb and quite a few Wills latterly . Very useful indeed. > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Afternoon This is a good website to find a few DEVON folk THE ROYAL NAVY 1900 - 1979 Just search for the word Devon as usual, quite a few names come up. http://archive.is/0pZ5p Regards Bev

Hi. No such thing as a standard works pension in those days !! You worked , you got paid ; you didn’t work , you didn’t get paid . And given the Admiral in the Big House De la Fosse he probably was RN but Wills is a very populous name so you may have some difficulty isolating which he was. Unless you can find out which ships the Admiral served on and trust to luck that your pensioner was on the same ship . Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Oct 2018, at 17:15, nvlv55--- via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Elizabeth,Yes; that is the person. I thought he was an Ag Lab (farm) pensioner; but I will go the National Archives to look and see if he is there.Thank you and regards,Sandra Wills > > From: ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> > To: Devon Rootsweb <devon@rootsweb.com> > Cc: ELIZABETH HOWARD <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 8:31 AM > Subject: [DEV] WILLS > > If the Robert Wills aged 72 in the 1841 census for E Allington is the one you need, he is A Pensioner , which may be he is a naval pensioner and may be more traceable this way via the military archives ….. try RN on the National Archives site On the E Allington site , link thank you from Joy, there are various transcriptions of bmb and quite a few Wills latterly . Very useful indeed. > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Elizabeth,Yes; that is the person. I thought he was an Ag Lab (farm) pensioner; but I will go the National Archives to look and see if he is there.Thank you and regards,Sandra Wills From: ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> To: Devon Rootsweb <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: ELIZABETH HOWARD <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 8:31 AM Subject: [DEV] WILLS If the Robert Wills aged 72 in the 1841 census for E Allington is the one you need, he is A Pensioner ,  which may be he is a naval pensioner  and may be more traceable this way via the military archives ….. try RN on the National Archives site    On the E Allington site ,  link thank you from Joy,  there are various transcriptions of bmb and quite a few Wills latterly .  Very useful indeed. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Oh Thanks, Brian! I didn't realize! On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 6:11 PM Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi Lora: > > In recent years the GENUKI/Devon book indexes normally start with an > introduction that includes a link to the full online text. > > I’ve checked the first two items you listed and that is the case with > them, so you can look them up yourself. > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 18:47, ziggy beseler <trempealeau2@gmail.com<mailto: > trempealeau2@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hellow List - I am wondering if anyone can do look ups for me in the > following books: > > 1. In An Account of the Church of OSM pp 42 & 47, Melchizedeck Alford; > index by Michael Steer; > > > 2. Christopher Monk, Duke of Albemarle, Section 2 (pp 190-385), Gregory > Alford, index by Michael Steer; > > > 3. Alford, pp 261-67, & 452, in Devonshire Wills by Worthy (1896) > > > > 4. Rev. Melchisedeck Alford and Elizabeth, pp 35, 41 in Short Notes on the > Church and Parish of OSM by Cornish (1869) > > > > I'd be so appreciative - thank you! > > Lora > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com<http://ancestry.com> and > our loyal RootsWeb community > > — > > School of Computing, Newcastle University, 1 Science Square, > Newcastle upon Tyne, NE4 5TG > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = > +44 191 208 7923 > URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

The problem is that the modern landscape and names don't necessarily reflect the historical landscape. One farm now may have been split into several holdings in the past. My brother in law is a farmer and he has bought and sold land to suit his particuar needs and requirements so his modern farm won't be exactly the same farm and land someone owned in the past although the name remains the same. For instance, the transcriptions of the 1841 Hatherleigh Tithe Map Apportionment on the foda database show separate entries for: Medlands Upcott (owner Joseph Oldham, occupier William Tucker) Spears Upcott (owner Joseph Oldham, occupier Thomas Seldon) Jacobs Upcott (owner Joseph Oldman, occupier Thomas Seldon) Medland (owner William Cholmley Morris, occupier John Ward) White's Medland and Lock's Upcott (owner Thomas Seldon, occupier Thomas Seldon) So did Margaret's ancestor occupy the first (Medands Upcott) and last (White's Medland and Lock's Upcott)? The tithe map will show the parcels of land and buildings associated with these names (they may just be field names rather than properties, I am wondering if the Upcott names go way back to the open field system when strips of land were allotted to different people, Medland, Spear, Jacobs and Lock?) Joy ----Original message---- From : aradgick@btinternet.com Date : 29/10/2018 - 11:18 (GMT) To : devon@rootsweb.com, joy.langdon@btinternet.com Subject : Re: [DEV] Re: Land near Hatherleigh 96 W G Hoskins mentions both these places in his book on Devon (I have the 1978 edition). "Other houses and farmsteads on ancient sites are .... Upcott" Higher Upcott House and Upcott Deer Farm have the postcode EX20 3LN See also Our History Our History Established in 1650, 1830, and 2005. Learn about the history of Upcott Farm and A square bagging walk in West Devon :: Geo-Trips :: Geograph Britain and Ireland (High Upcott is marked on the bottom right hand corner of the map) A square bagging walk in West Devon :: Geo-Trips :: Geograph Britain and... A walk near West Devon, starting from Yelland, with pictures and plotted on a map. "The war memorial bears many characteristic West Country surnames .... Medland, names of farms round about" See also New farmhouse at Medland (C) David Smith New farmhouse at Medland (C) David Smith Seen from the bridleway to Hatherleigh; the building was still being constructed Andrew

Hi ,   if you go to genuki/devon/hatherleigh you will find that there is an OPC for the parish , but also you will find various online resources like maps and directories which help pin point Upcott …….it seems to me that the Devon Heritage online transcription of the Trade Directory of 1791/8 is most useful ……..the Medlands were a family  and Joseph Oldham was lord of the manor , and so Medlands Upcott and Locks Upcott should be two farms in Upcott rather than two different places .  The Tuckers also get a mention …….

You could try locating them on the Devon Tithe Maps: https://new.devon.gov.uk/historicenvironment/tithe-map/ You need to find them listed on the Tithe Apportionments and that will give the relevant numbers to look for on the map. Joy ----Original message---- From : margnb@gmail.com Date : 29/10/2018 - 04:34 (GMT) To : Devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Land near Hatherleigh Would anyone on the list be able to pinpoint the following places near Hatherleigh - Medlands Upcott and Lock's (Upcott?). I have been able to establish that my g-g-grandfather,James Jewell occupied these lands between 1787 and 1824 through Land Tax Assessments & Apprentice Indentures from the DRO. In 1841 the Medlands Upcott land was owned by a Joseph Oldham and occupied by a John Tucker. My g-g-grandfather died in 1838. The only maps I could find online referred to Medlands & Upcott in 2 separate localities. Any help would be appreciated. Margaret in Australia _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Margaret Have you tried Devon Genuki Gazetteer? There is a Upcott Farm in Hatherleigh [under Upcott] https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Gazetteer There is an Upcott here https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Hatherleigh/ParishMap Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Baensch" <margnb@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:34 PM To: "Devon List" <Devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Land near Hatherleigh > Would anyone on the list be able to pinpoint the following places near > Hatherleigh - Medlands Upcott and Lock's (Upcott?). > I have been able to establish that my g-g-grandfather,James Jewell > occupied > these lands between 1787 and 1824 through Land Tax Assessments & > Apprentice > Indentures from the DRO. In 1841 the Medlands Upcott land was owned by a > Joseph Oldham and occupied by a John Tucker. My g-g-grandfather died in > 1838. > The only maps I could find online referred to Medlands & Upcott in 2 > separate localities. > Any help would be appreciated. > Margaret in Australia > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Would anyone on the list be able to pinpoint the following places near Hatherleigh - Medlands Upcott and Lock's (Upcott?). I have been able to establish that my g-g-grandfather,James Jewell occupied these lands between 1787 and 1824 through Land Tax Assessments & Apprentice Indentures from the DRO. In 1841 the Medlands Upcott land was owned by a Joseph Oldham and occupied by a John Tucker. My g-g-grandfather died in 1838. The only maps I could find online referred to Medlands & Upcott in 2 separate localities. Any help would be appreciated. Margaret in Australia

Hi Lora: In recent years the GENUKI/Devon book indexes normally start with an introduction that includes a link to the full online text. I’ve checked the first two items you listed and that is the case with them, so you can look them up yourself. Cheers Brian Randell On 28 Oct 2018, at 18:47, ziggy beseler <trempealeau2@gmail.com<mailto:trempealeau2@gmail.com>> wrote: Hellow List - I am wondering if anyone can do look ups for me in the following books: 1. In An Account of the Church of OSM pp 42 & 47, Melchizedeck Alford; index by Michael Steer; 2. Christopher Monk, Duke of Albemarle, Section 2 (pp 190-385), Gregory Alford, index by Michael Steer; 3. Alford, pp 261-67, & 452, in Devonshire Wills by Worthy (1896) 4. Rev. Melchisedeck Alford and Elizabeth, pp 35, 41 in Short Notes on the Church and Parish of OSM by Cornish (1869) I'd be so appreciative - thank you! Lora _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com<http://ancestry.com> and our loyal RootsWeb community — School of Computing, Newcastle University, 1 Science Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE4 5TG EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html

Hellow List - I am wondering if anyone can do look ups for me in the following books: 1. In An Account of the Church of OSM pp 42 & 47, Melchizedeck Alford; index by Michael Steer; 2. Christopher Monk, Duke of Albemarle, Section 2 (pp 190-385), Gregory Alford, index by Michael Steer; 3. Alford, pp 261-67, & 452, in Devonshire Wills by Worthy (1896) 4. Rev. Melchisedeck Alford and Elizabeth, pp 35, 41 in Short Notes on the Church and Parish of OSM by Cornish (1869) I'd be so appreciative - thank you! Lora

Sandra, I have attached a snip of the OS map that should get to you but not the list. Barnstone Farm is North East of East Allington. If you look at a modern satellite map you can see it is still there but not visible from street view. The enumerator seems to have taken an unusual route and it would be worth comparing with the 1851 census route. If you look at the households before and after on the schedules you can see most heads were famers with a number of labourers probably living in a barn or similar. The name of the residence will be the name of a farm. Interestingly the rest of Roberts page are part of the residence of Admiral Edward H Delafosse who seem to have leased out the farm. As has been pointed out Robert Wills is a pensioner and may have a naval connection to the Admiral. Cheers Paul From: nvlv55@yahoo.com [mailto:nvlv55@yahoo.com] Sent: 27 October 2018 23:21 To: Paul Hockie; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] 1841 DEVON CENSUS Paul, Took a look at the Ordnance Survey Map. Barnstone does not come up; but Coombe does. I will have to search further. Thank you and regards, Sandra Wills ________________________________ From: Paul Hockie <paul@hockie.co.uk> To: "nvlv55@yahoo.com" <nvlv55@yahoo.com>; "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [DEV] 1841 DEVON CENSUS Looking at the image, I think it reads Barnstone and is possible Barnston farm on Bing Ordnance Survey Maps. The previous page references Coombe which is just down the road. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: nvlv55--- via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com>] Sent: 24 October 2018 18:29 To: devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: nvlv55@yahoo.com<mailto:nvlv55@yahoo.com> Subject: [DEV] 1841 DEVON CENSUS Dear List, Now that I have completed my Mayflower ancestors; I will concentrate on Devon history.In the 1841 census it states ROBERT WILLS was born/lived in East Allington along with Thomas etc.My question is where is HARTISTONE on the 1841 census. I can not find it. Any help would be appreciated.Regards,Sandra, Wisconsin USAResearching NICHOLS, INGRAM, and WILLS. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog<http://rootsweb.blog/> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Paul,Took a look at the Ordnance Survey Map. Barnstone does not come up; but Coombe does.I will have to search further.Thank you and regards,Sandra Wills From: Paul Hockie <paul@hockie.co.uk> To: "nvlv55@yahoo.com" <nvlv55@yahoo.com>; "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [DEV] 1841 DEVON CENSUS Looking at the image, I think it reads Barnstone and is possible Barnston farm on Bing Ordnance Survey Maps. The previous page references Coombe which is just down the road. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: nvlv55--- via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] Sent: 24 October 2018 18:29 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: nvlv55@yahoo.com Subject: [DEV] 1841 DEVON CENSUS Dear List,  Now that I have completed my Mayflower ancestors; I will concentrate on Devon history.In the 1841 census it states ROBERT WILLS was born/lived in East Allington along with Thomas etc.My question is where is HARTISTONE on the 1841 census. I can not find it. Any help would be appreciated.Regards,Sandra, Wisconsin USAResearching NICHOLS, INGRAM, and WILLS. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

  From: Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btinternet.com> To: "nvlv55@yahoo.com" <nvlv55@yahoo.com>; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Re: 1841 DEVON CENSUS Sandra, If you go to the Genuki Devon East Allington page you will see at the top right hand a pair of arrows facing in opposite directions just below the search field.  Click on the arrows and it takes you to a page listiing places within 5 miles of East Allington.  Harleston is 2.5 miles.  This is a useful way to check for place names when you have difficulty reading them.  You can also find the nearest neighbouring parishes. A link to Genuki Devon is at the bottom of all these  messages to the Devon mailing list but here is the link to the East Allington page. https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/EastAllington Joy

And looking through the War Casualty list each week in 1918 on Britishnewspaperarchives , I have found a number of men wounded and killed , several of the killed despite being said to be of this town , never made it onto the war memorial. The decisions who to add and who to leave out must have been very personally made rather than by any national rules and regulations. Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Oct 2018, at 17:20, Tony Vigars via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Jon, > > I've come in on the end of this thread - so I hope I am not repeating something. > > Has anyone mentioned Todd Gray's excellent book: "Lest Devon Forgets (Service, Sacrifice and the Creation of Great War Memorials)"? Available at http://www.stevensbooks.co.uk/todd_grey_books/ldf.html and presumably through local bookshops on order or there are second hand copies available at Amazon. > > I say excellent though I haven't read it! My comment is based upon an excellent talk I heard Todd Gray give on the subject on two occasions so assume the content of the book will be likewise. He outlines the different ways different towns or villages reached a decision on a local memorial - there being no prescribed path. > > Hope this might help you and others. > > Incidentally the excellent book on Tavistock's Memorial " We Will Remember Them: The Men of Tavistock Who Died in the First World War" by Alex Metler & Gerry Woodcock reveals that one man named on the memorial never died as a war casualty, but abandoning his wife died a good deal later in Canada - if I remember the details correctly! > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Frayne [mailto:jon.frayne@gmail.com] > Sent: 21 October 2018 21:32 > To: devon@rootsweb.com; sherleetooze@gmail.com > Cc: Ruth Wilson <ruthwilson1111@btinternet.com> > Subject: [DEV] Re: War memorials > > Many thanks to Cher and all who have contributed to my question about war memorials. It rather came to what I thought-I shall have to go back to the record office in Barnstaple and ask there-which I should have thought of in the first place! > > I think the process of asking in the local press is how they went about asking for names in the local area and then found it hard to turn down anyone whose family asked for their son, father, brother to be memorialised. The master stoker is memorialised in Plymouth where they have a large memorial to lost sailors. I have found out more about him, just no link to Atherington! > > Jon > > PS can I suggest the thread on Devonshire Regiment and Soldiers Died in the First World war should warrant a new thread or Terry will be making noises . . . > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON > Sent: 20 October 2018 20:49 > To: sherleetooze@gmail.com; Devon > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [DEV] Re: War memorials > > Dear Sher, > > I don’t have details of that book but I do have two volumes of ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918’ It was compiled by C.T.Atkinson and first published in 1926.It is a very detailed account of the operations the Devonshire regiment took part in. My copy however a reprint and has been purchased within the last year and seems to be by The Naval and Military Press Ltd. > www.naval-military-press.com > (It was a present so I cannot be sure where it was obtained) > > Ruth >> On 20 Oct 2018, at 01:42, Sher Leetooze <sher.leetooze@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ros: >> >> How on earth can I get a copy of that Devon Regiment book?? It could hold a lot of information I've been searching for!! >> >> Sher >> >> >>> On 10/19/2018 5:52 AM, Ros Haywood wrote: >>> I have a book published 1921 called "Soldiers Died in the Great War" - it is one of a series and the author is the War Office "By Authority" - no name! My book covers the Devonshire Regiment - there were 50 of these books, one for each regiment. If you send me the name of your mystery stoker, I can look him up and at least it will say how he died. I don't think I am breaching copyright... >>> >>> Ros Haywood >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Jonathan Frayne" <jon.frayne@gmail.com> >>> To: "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com>; >>> "sherleetooze@gmail.com" <sherleetooze@gmail.com> >>> Cc: "Bob Halberstadt" <President@goulbournhistoricalsociety.org> >>> Sent: 19/10/2018 08:38:12 >>> Subject: [DEV] War memorials >>> >>>> Following on from the thread about the end of WW1, I think war memorials in Britain were set up in rather a hurry after the war ended and that local committees compiled the list of names to be included. This led to some mistakes being made of course. Does anyone know if there are any records retained anywhere about their deliberations? The reason I ask is there is a master stoker on our war memorial we cannot trace to a connection to the village and some of us would love to know why we memorialise him. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Edna Marlow >>>> Sent: 19 October 2018 03:28 >>>> To: sherleetooze@gmail.com; devon@rootsweb.com >>>> Cc: Bob Halberstadt >>>> Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >>>> >>>> Hi Sher, good idea will pass it on to the Goulbourn Township >>>> Historical Society here in Ottawa. >>>> >>>> Edna M - sunny Ottawa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sher Leetooze >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:23 PM >>>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >>>> >>>> Edna and list: >>>> >>>> The local historical Society where Iive is putting on a month long >>>> display about the local lads who served in both wars with artifacts >>>> brought home by some of them, photos of each one and a short bio for >>>> each - nurses included. If anyone out there belongs to an >>>> Historical Society, or Genealogical Society - why not stage your own >>>> display either for Nov. 11 or for your group's next meeting. Well >>>> worth the digging for info and photos >>>> >>>> Sher >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 10/18/2018 9:34 AM, Edna Marlow wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us remember all those who served: >>>>> >>>>> 11th hour of the 11th day of November 1918 >>>>> >>>>> Edna - sunny Ottawa >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >>>>> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>>>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and >>>>> supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>>> RootsWeb community >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>>> RootsWeb community >>> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com <https://www.avg.com/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Jon, I've come in on the end of this thread - so I hope I am not repeating something. Has anyone mentioned Todd Gray's excellent book: "Lest Devon Forgets (Service, Sacrifice and the Creation of Great War Memorials)"? Available at http://www.stevensbooks.co.uk/todd_grey_books/ldf.html and presumably through local bookshops on order or there are second hand copies available at Amazon. I say excellent though I haven't read it! My comment is based upon an excellent talk I heard Todd Gray give on the subject on two occasions so assume the content of the book will be likewise. He outlines the different ways different towns or villages reached a decision on a local memorial - there being no prescribed path. Hope this might help you and others. Incidentally the excellent book on Tavistock's Memorial " We Will Remember Them: The Men of Tavistock Who Died in the First World War" by Alex Metler & Gerry Woodcock reveals that one man named on the memorial never died as a war casualty, but abandoning his wife died a good deal later in Canada - if I remember the details correctly! Tony -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Frayne [mailto:jon.frayne@gmail.com] Sent: 21 October 2018 21:32 To: devon@rootsweb.com; sherleetooze@gmail.com Cc: Ruth Wilson <ruthwilson1111@btinternet.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: War memorials Many thanks to Cher and all who have contributed to my question about war memorials. It rather came to what I thought-I shall have to go back to the record office in Barnstaple and ask there-which I should have thought of in the first place! I think the process of asking in the local press is how they went about asking for names in the local area and then found it hard to turn down anyone whose family asked for their son, father, brother to be memorialised. The master stoker is memorialised in Plymouth where they have a large memorial to lost sailors. I have found out more about him, just no link to Atherington! Jon PS can I suggest the thread on Devonshire Regiment and Soldiers Died in the First World war should warrant a new thread or Terry will be making noises . . . Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ruth Wilson via DEVON Sent: 20 October 2018 20:49 To: sherleetooze@gmail.com; Devon Cc: Ruth Wilson Subject: [DEV] Re: War memorials Dear Sher, I don’t have details of that book but I do have two volumes of ‘The Devonshire Regiment 1914-1918’ It was compiled by C.T.Atkinson and first published in 1926.It is a very detailed account of the operations the Devonshire regiment took part in. My copy however a reprint and has been purchased within the last year and seems to be by The Naval and Military Press Ltd. www.naval-military-press.com (It was a present so I cannot be sure where it was obtained) Ruth > On 20 Oct 2018, at 01:42, Sher Leetooze <sher.leetooze@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ros: > > How on earth can I get a copy of that Devon Regiment book?? It could hold a lot of information I've been searching for!! > > Sher > > > On 10/19/2018 5:52 AM, Ros Haywood wrote: >> I have a book published 1921 called "Soldiers Died in the Great War" - it is one of a series and the author is the War Office "By Authority" - no name! My book covers the Devonshire Regiment - there were 50 of these books, one for each regiment. If you send me the name of your mystery stoker, I can look him up and at least it will say how he died. I don't think I am breaching copyright... >> >> Ros Haywood >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Jonathan Frayne" <jon.frayne@gmail.com> >> To: "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com>; >> "sherleetooze@gmail.com" <sherleetooze@gmail.com> >> Cc: "Bob Halberstadt" <President@goulbournhistoricalsociety.org> >> Sent: 19/10/2018 08:38:12 >> Subject: [DEV] War memorials >> >>> Following on from the thread about the end of WW1, I think war memorials in Britain were set up in rather a hurry after the war ended and that local committees compiled the list of names to be included. This led to some mistakes being made of course. Does anyone know if there are any records retained anywhere about their deliberations? The reason I ask is there is a master stoker on our war memorial we cannot trace to a connection to the village and some of us would love to know why we memorialise him. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Edna Marlow >>> Sent: 19 October 2018 03:28 >>> To: sherleetooze@gmail.com; devon@rootsweb.com >>> Cc: Bob Halberstadt >>> Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >>> >>> Hi Sher, good idea will pass it on to the Goulbourn Township >>> Historical Society here in Ottawa. >>> >>> Edna M - sunny Ottawa >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sher Leetooze >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:23 PM >>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >>> >>> Edna and list: >>> >>> The local historical Society where Iive is putting on a month long >>> display about the local lads who served in both wars with artifacts >>> brought home by some of them, photos of each one and a short bio for >>> each - nurses included. If anyone out there belongs to an >>> Historical Society, or Genealogical Society - why not stage your own >>> display either for Nov. 11 or for your group's next meeting. Well >>> worth the digging for info and photos >>> >>> Sher >>> >>> >>> On 10/18/2018 9:34 AM, Edna Marlow wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us remember all those who served: >>>> >>>> 11th hour of the 11th day of November 1918 >>>> >>>> Edna - sunny Ottawa >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >>>> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and >>>> supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>> RootsWeb community >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>> RootsWeb community >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com <https://www.avg.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If the Robert Wills aged 72 in the 1841 census for E Allington is the one you need, he is A Pensioner ,  which may be he is a naval pensioner  and may be more traceable this way via the military archives ….. try RN on the National Archives site    On the E Allington site ,  link thank you from Joy,  there are various transcriptions of bmb and quite a few Wills latterly .  Very useful indeed.

Sandra, If you go to the Genuki Devon East Allington page you will see at the top right hand a pair of arrows facing in opposite directions just below the search field. Click on the arrows and it takes you to a page listiing places within 5 miles of East Allington. Harleston is 2.5 miles. This is a useful way to check for place names when you have difficulty reading them. You can also find the nearest neighbouring parishes. A link to Genuki Devon is at the bottom of all these messages to the Devon mailing list but here is the link to the East Allington page. https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/EastAllington Joy ----Original message---- From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 26/10/2018 - 00:05 (BST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Cc : nvlv55@yahoo.com Subject : [DEV] Re: 1841 DEVON CENSUS Hello Andrew,According to the Genuki Devon 1841 census it states (looks like) Hartestone. You stated Harleston which is close to East Allington. How far would that be in miles?I have Partridges on the maternal side of the family. Do you have your Partridge marrying Judge Daniel Beede?Regards, Sandra Wills

Hello Paul,I looked at the Ancestry image and Robert is the last person on the page. For the life of me; I could not make it out! Looks like Th..... Now which image are you looking at ? Forgive my ignorance ... where is Barnstone ... will have a look at the Bing Ordnance Survey Maps. Just down the road is Coombe!! Oh my.Thank you and regards,Sandra Wills From: Paul Hockie <paul@hockie.co.uk> To: "nvlv55@yahoo.com" <nvlv55@yahoo.com>; "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [DEV] 1841 DEVON CENSUS Looking at the image, I think it reads Barnstone and is possible Barnston farm on Bing Ordnance Survey Maps. The previous page references Coombe which is just down the road. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: nvlv55--- via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] Sent: 24 October 2018 18:29 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: nvlv55@yahoo.com Subject: [DEV] 1841 DEVON CENSUS Dear List,  Now that I have completed my Mayflower ancestors; I will concentrate on Devon history.In the 1841 census it states ROBERT WILLS was born/lived in East Allington along with Thomas etc.My question is where is HARTISTONE on the 1841 census. I can not find it. Any help would be appreciated.Regards,Sandra, Wisconsin USAResearching NICHOLS, INGRAM, and WILLS. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community