Thanks Joy - then he's not mine. Gittisham is definite for my guy. I have never been able to find him on familysearch which I use all the time. 1861 and 1871 - and after that - nothing! Maybe he died? Or moved away somewhere? Or?? no mention of him - just gone. Thank you for your time. Lora On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:45 PM Joy Langdon via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The Henry Hooper, carpenter employing one boy, on the 1881 census has > birthplace Lynton and is living with parents John Hooper born Lynton and > mother Elizabeth born East Indies at Lynton. All the censuses can be > viewed free on https://www.familysearch.org/search/hr/search. > > Joy > ----Original message---- > From : trempealeau2@gmail.com > Date : 07/11/2018 - 19:14 (GMT) > To : devon@rootsweb.com > Subject : [DEV] Hooper > > Hi List - > > Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or later > census - > > Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham > > I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, but > cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a snippet > comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, carpenter employing > one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - any other info on the > entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, Gittisham? etc. Is there a > burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? > > Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

The Henry Hooper, carpenter employing one boy, on the 1881 census has birthplace Lynton and is living with parents John Hooper born Lynton and mother Elizabeth born East Indies at Lynton. All the censuses can be viewed free on https://www.familysearch.org/search/hr/search. Joy ----Original message---- From : trempealeau2@gmail.com Date : 07/11/2018 - 19:14 (GMT) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Hooper Hi List - Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or later census - Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, but cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a snippet comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, carpenter employing one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - any other info on the entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, Gittisham? etc. Is there a burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi List - Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or later census - Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, but cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a snippet comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, carpenter employing one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - any other info on the entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, Gittisham? etc. Is there a burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin

Hi all, I haven't been following this thread from the start, but was interested in the reference to the N.A.M. Rodger book so googled and found it was called" The Wooden World: An Anatomy of the Georgian Navy" published 1996. Lots of copies available online at reasonable cost. It looks like a really good read to get a feel for life on board - I have a ships surgeon based out of Bristol but they seemed to turn up in many of the southern ports on their travels! Thanks for the tip! Amanda, NZ Regards, Amanda Kerby 112 Englefield Road Northwood Christchurch 8051 NEW ZEALAND Ph: (03) 261 9142 Mob: 027 3023562 -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Frayne <jon.frayne@gmail.com> Sent: 06 November 2018 04:25 To: pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com Cc: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions Oh I forgot the Cook-how stupid is that! Prof Rodger also wrote a very readable account of the Georgian Navy called ‘Wooden Walls’ and of course the formal history of the Navy in two volumes. Jon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Paul Benyon Sent: 01 November 2018 12:26 To: Jonathan Frayne Cc: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions Jon I didn't want to go off topic so much, but for the record per Prof N.A.M. Rodger in his book Naval Records for Genealogists : Among the warrant officers the Boatswain, Cook, Purser, Gunner and Carpenter were distinguished as `standing officers', in principle warranted to a ship for her lifetime regardless of whether she were in commission or not &c. &c., and by me ; one shouldn't forget the men who actually carried out much of the day to day maintenance, their numbers depending on the rating of the vessel. Paul On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 09:15:05 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Paul > >There were only four people permanently employed on a ship laid up in ordinary (no matter how large it was): >The sailmaker, the gunner, the boatswain (for the rigging) and the carpenter. >Officers were on half pay (as were these warrant officers) awaiting a >commission to a ship. The men were otherwise in the merchant trade (as indeed were many junior officers!). Nelson spent quite a lot of time in the merchant service in his early years as half pay was very little for a lieutenant without private income. The Navy regarded it as a means of their officers learning new skills and new places. BTW All commissioned officers got half pay when not employed. An admiral who was not going to be further employed became what was known as a ‘yellow’ admiral and there are lists in TNA. This was a polite fiction to allow for newer officers to be employed rather than constantly snub the older ones by not appointing them to tasks their seniority would otherwise have ‘entitled’ them to seek. Older captains were just expected to swallow their pride and accept they were no longer employable (got one of them in my family tree) and remain on half-pay until you died as a form of pension if not otherwise granted one. They were called superannuated which chimes in with more modern terminology. > >Jon > >Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >From: Paul Benyon >Sent: 01 November 2018 09:01 >To: devon@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions > > >And if you come across a naval pensioner's assessment you will find >that it is very similar, and rather interestingly, was assessed using >the lunar calendar, as was naval pay at one time, but for warrant >officers who started off life as ratings, periods spent on board ships >in ordinary (ie in reserve), in harbour, pensions were assessed at a >reduced rate compared with time spent serving on board sea-going >vessels, not forgetting that there were no shore establishments in >those days. > >Paul > >On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 03:48:58 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi Joy, >> >>Good point. It appears to have been different in the Army, as I have >>a guy whose pension has been calculated based on the number of weeks >>at one rank plus the number at another, so all very complicated. >> >>Best wishes >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joy Langdon via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] >>Sent: 31 October 2018 18:50 >>To: devon@rootsweb.com >>Cc: Joy Langdon >>Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions >> >>Hi Mike, >> >>If people are wondering why they have a naval ancestor and can't find >>pension records, can I just draw their attention to the National >>Archives information about the RN ratings pensions: >>http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-gu >>ides/r >>oyal-navy-ratings-pensions/ >> >>Note that Paragraph 3 states "It was not until 1859 that pensions for >>service were granted automatically to all ratings who had served for >>20 consecutive years in the Royal Navy. Up to 1859 there was no >>guarantee that a rating would receive a pension for service. Before >>then, pensions were rarely awarded to ratings unless they had been >>wounded or killed in action or on duty." >> >>Joy >>----Original message---- >>From : mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk >>Date : 30/10/2018 - 09:35 (GMT) >>To : devon@rootsweb.com >>Subject : [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: WILLS >> >>Hi Elizabeth, >> >>If we're talking about the Army or the Navy, then there were pensions. >>An Army pensioner was called a Chelsea pensioner and the navy had >>Greenwich pensioners. If they didn't actually live at Chelsea or >>Greenwich, they were called out-pensioners. This was true throughout >>the 19th century, so would have applied at the time being discussed here. >> >>Best wishes >> >>Mike Gould >>Leicestershire >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>------------------------------------------ >>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >>(http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>_______________________________________________ >>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>RootsWeb community >> >>_______________________________________________ >>------------------------------------------ >>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>_______________________________________________ >>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>RootsWeb community >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > >_______________________________________________ >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb >is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >community 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Terry, In response to your first question re John MOORE Rector of Buckland Filleigh, he may be the Johannes MOORE in the Church of England database ( http://theclergydatabase.org.uk/). There are three postings for him: Lew Trenchard (*18/12/1663* - *19/12/1663* ) Buckland Filleigh (*18/12/1663* - *30/07/1684* ) Bradstone (*17/02/1662* - *13/01/1664* ) To be ordained he had to have gone to college, so my next search was Oxford (https://www.british-history.ac.uk/alumni-oxon/1500-1714). *Moore*, John "ser." *Exeter Coll*., matric. 12 Nov., 1650 (subs. "paup. schol."), B.A. 23 July, 1653; perhaps rector of Bradstone, Devon, 1662, etc. See Foster's *Index Eccl*. [*5*] You will find more info if you search these records yourself. As for Sir John KIRKHAM, have you looked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kirkham_(1472%E2%80%931529)?. There are a lot of references cited and you may find some of these at Internet Archive. In particular The Worthies of Devon by Prince gives his complete lineage. Hope this helps Regards, Nancy Frey OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:42 AM Terry via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Looking for information on John Moore, (Rev) (Rector of Buckland > Filleigh) who married Alice Kelly on the 19 July 1664. Looking to find > his place of origin and parents. > > Also looking for information on the first wife of Sir John Kirkham of > Blagdon. He married 4 times the first being a Moore of Moorhayes, > Cullompton. She may be a daughter of John Moore died 4 January 1508/09 > and Elizabeth Clivedon. She is at least from that period. > >

Terry, With regard to the Rev. Moore, I believe there is a directory/database of clergy. I think it has been mentioned in the forum. Other sources include Oxford and Cambridge Alumni and the Lambeth Palace Archives http://www.lambethpalacelibrary.org/content/archbishopsarchives For Sir John I would suggest the Heralds Visitations which are online at Hathitrust and archive.org - just google Heralds Visitations Devon. The College of Arms https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ should hold similar information. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Terry via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] Sent: 05 November 2018 03:46 To: Devon Cc: Terry Subject: [DEV] John Moore, (Rev) (Rector of Buckland Filleigh) Looking for information on John Moore, (Rev) (Rector of Buckland Filleigh) who married Alice Kelly on the 19 July 1664. Looking to find his place of origin and parents. Also looking for information on the first wife of Sir John Kirkham of Blagdon. He married 4 times the first being a Moore of Moorhayes, Cullompton. She may be a daughter of John Moore died 4 January 1508/09 and Elizabeth Clivedon. She is at least from that period. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

  Hi Terry ,    Discovery National Archives has two possible items of interest . C1 /834/24  Kirkham v Kirkham  :  Plaintiff , Nicholas Kirkham of ExeterDefendants Joan late wife of John Kirkham knight ;  the mayor and bailiffs of Exeter . Subject ; action for a debt of Thomas son of the said Sir John ..    1533 - 1538 . 1926 B/W/ET/16/8/  Grant 1 )   Humphrey Walrond of Bradfield ;  2 ) John More , John Kirkham ; John Kaynor (?) , John Gilbert and William Walrond . Premises and property in various places 1503 . Brians Devon will index .   Lady Jane Kirkham , widow , 1554 , will MW 1 Vol 19 ,  " wants to be buried in Feniton church ." IPM Nicholas of Paignton 1516 ,  John Kirkham , knt , son and heir . IPM Sir John Kirkham , of Chivelstone,   son and heir Thomas .

All I can add to Paul’s commendable answer is that it depends quite what you mean by ‘decommissioned’. If the ship had been taken out of service ready for being broken up/turned into a hulk then I don’t think the ship would have a boatswain. If just being held in reserve pending the next war with France, then it would. The title would also stay with the person-so a person would be rated as a boatswain (usually by holding a warrant from the admiralty) and the ship would have a boatswain. It was five people as Paul pointed out, who held permanent positions in a ship. I suspect that in a large vessel they would also have had one or more ‘mates’ to help out with the work of maintaining the ship. JOn Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: sieler_pauline Sent: 05 November 2018 13:10 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions Not knowing anything about the navy but having naval ancestors can I ask a question of Jon and Paul please? Can I infer from your e-mails last week that a boatswain was one of four people who would be paid even when the ship is not sailing? Also, if a ship was no longer being used, might you still refer to yourself as being a boatswain on that ship after it had been decommissioned. I am thinking of someone in the early 1800s Apologies if I am misinterpreting Best wishes and thanks Pauline _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Oh I forgot the Cook-how stupid is that! Prof Rodger also wrote a very readable account of the Georgian Navy called ‘Wooden Walls’ and of course the formal history of the Navy in two volumes. Jon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Paul Benyon Sent: 01 November 2018 12:26 To: Jonathan Frayne Cc: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions Jon I didn't want to go off topic so much, but for the record per Prof N.A.M. Rodger in his book Naval Records for Genealogists : Among the warrant officers the Boatswain, Cook, Purser, Gunner and Carpenter were distinguished as `standing officers', in principle warranted to a ship for her lifetime regardless of whether she were in commission or not &c. &c., and by me ; one shouldn't forget the men who actually carried out much of the day to day maintenance, their numbers depending on the rating of the vessel. Paul On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 09:15:05 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Paul > >There were only four people permanently employed on a ship laid up in ordinary (no matter how large it was): >The sailmaker, the gunner, the boatswain (for the rigging) and the carpenter. >Officers were on half pay (as were these warrant officers) awaiting a commission to a ship. The men were otherwise in the merchant trade (as indeed were many junior officers!). Nelson spent quite a lot of time in the merchant service in his early years as half pay was very little for a lieutenant without private income. The Navy regarded it as a means of their officers learning new skills and new places. BTW All commissioned officers got half pay when not employed. An admiral who was not going to be further employed became what was known as a ‘yellow’ admiral and there are lists in TNA. This was a polite fiction to allow for newer officers to be employed rather than constantly snub the older ones by not appointing them to tasks their seniority would otherwise have ‘entitled’ them to seek. Older captains were just expected to swallow their pride and accept they were no longer employable (got one of them in my family tree) and remain on half-pay until you died as a form of pension if >not otherwise granted one. They were called superannuated which chimes in with more modern terminology. > >Jon > >Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >From: Paul Benyon >Sent: 01 November 2018 09:01 >To: devon@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions > > >And if you come across a naval pensioner's assessment you will find >that it is very similar, and rather interestingly, was assessed using >the lunar calendar, as was naval pay at one time, but for warrant >officers who started off life as ratings, periods spent on board ships >in ordinary (ie in reserve), in harbour, pensions were assessed at a >reduced rate compared with time spent serving on board sea-going >vessels, not forgetting that there were no shore establishments in >those days. > >Paul > >On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 03:48:58 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi Joy, >> >>Good point. It appears to have been different in the Army, as I have a guy >>whose pension has been calculated based on the number of weeks at one rank >>plus the number at another, so all very complicated. >> >>Best wishes >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joy Langdon via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] >>Sent: 31 October 2018 18:50 >>To: devon@rootsweb.com >>Cc: Joy Langdon >>Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions >> >>Hi Mike, >> >>If people are wondering why they have a naval ancestor and can't find >>pension records, can I just draw their attention to the National Archives >>information about the RN ratings pensions: >>http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/r >>oyal-navy-ratings-pensions/ >> >>Note that Paragraph 3 states "It was not until 1859 that pensions for >>service were granted automatically to all ratings who had served for 20 >>consecutive years in the Royal Navy. Up to 1859 there was no guarantee that >>a rating would receive a pension for service. Before then, pensions were >>rarely awarded to ratings unless they had been wounded or killed in action >>or on duty." >> >>Joy >>----Original message---- >>From : mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk >>Date : 30/10/2018 - 09:35 (GMT) >>To : devon@rootsweb.com >>Subject : [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: WILLS >> >>Hi Elizabeth, >> >>If we're talking about the Army or the Navy, then there were pensions. An >>Army pensioner was called a Chelsea pensioner and the navy had Greenwich >>pensioners. If they didn't actually live at Chelsea or Greenwich, they were >>called out-pensioners. This was true throughout the 19th century, so would >>have applied at the time being discussed here. >> >>Best wishes >> >>Mike Gould >>Leicestershire >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>------------------------------------------ >>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >>(http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>_______________________________________________ >>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>community >> >>_______________________________________________ >>------------------------------------------ >>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>_______________________________________________ >>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > >_______________________________________________ >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

>>Can I infer from your e-mails last week that a boatswain was one of four people who would be paid even when the ship is not sailing? Yes, and thanks again to prof Rodger, he advises that while a ship was out of commission they were borne and paid on the Ordinary books of the yard (ADM 42), from which they are shown as turned-over on the commissioning of the ship. In theory, at least, these officers were already on board, and the turn-over a purely administrative change. So most standing officers would be standing by ships in Ordinary at Plymouth / Portsmouth / Chatham / Deptford / Sheerness, as appropriate, to find your Boatswain's service on board his ship you'd need to find the appropriate volume of ADM 42 So, in an attempt to keep it on topic, and relative to Devon if you do a search on the National Archives web site : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ and if we think your Boatswain is serving on board a ship in ordinary (in reserve) at Plymouth you can use the following to search for him : adm 42 Plymouth Pay Books and then narrow the search down to your period of interest, and chose the appropriate yard, volume and date.......if you can get the hang of it you will probably find the advanced search your best option, since you should be able to narrow the period down. HTH Paul PS I doubt you will find Devonport useful as a part of your search as it only seems to pick up "Dockyard craft" from later in the 19th Century. On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:10:33 +0000, you wrote: > > >Not knowing anything about the navy but having naval ancestors can I ask a question of Jon and Paul please? > >Can I infer from your e-mails last week that a boatswain was one of four people who would be paid even when the ship is not sailing? > >Also, if a ship was no longer being used, might you still refer to yourself as being a boatswain on that ship after it had been decommissioned. >I am thinking of someone in the early 1800s > >Apologies if I am misinterpreting >Best wishes and thanks >Pauline > >_______________________________________________ >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Not knowing anything about the navy but having naval ancestors can I ask a question of Jon and Paul please? Can I infer from your e-mails last week that a boatswain was one of four people who would be paid even when the ship is not sailing? Also, if a ship was no longer being used, might you still refer to yourself as being a boatswain on that ship after it had been decommissioned. I am thinking of someone in the early 1800s Apologies if I am misinterpreting Best wishes and thanks Pauline

Dear Terry, I have notes on Sir John Kirkham, but nothing of his wife, Moore forename unknown Best wishes, Chris. Gibbins https://www.facebook.com/SJDPA/ http://feniton.blogspot.co.uk/ http://fenitonchurch.blogspot.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: Terry via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: 05 November 2018 03:46 To: Devon <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: Terry <arbuthnot@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: [DEV] John Moore, (Rev) (Rector of Buckland Filleigh) Looking for information on John Moore, (Rev) (Rector of Buckland Filleigh) who married Alice Kelly on the 19 July 1664. Looking to find his place of origin and parents. Also looking for information on the first wife of Sir John Kirkham of Blagdon. He married 4 times the first being a Moore of Moorhayes, Cullompton. She may be a daughter of John Moore died 4 January 1508/09 and Elizabeth Clivedon. She is at least from that period. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Looking for information on John Moore, (Rev) (Rector of Buckland Filleigh) who married Alice Kelly on the 19 July 1664. Looking to find his place of origin and parents. Also looking for information on the first wife of Sir John Kirkham of Blagdon. He married 4 times the first being a Moore of Moorhayes, Cullompton. She may be a daughter of John Moore died 4 January 1508/09 and Elizabeth Clivedon. She is at least from that period.

Hi Nancy Simple - I get lots of help from some enthusiastic volunteers! :-) Mind you, their efforts do keep me busy also. Cheers Brian Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Nov 2018, at 04:04, Nancy Frey <ncanuck@gmail.com> wrote: > > Wow Brian! When do you get any work done? > > That's a fantastic list and part of it is now on my 'to do'list'. > > Thank you and all the contributors who make this possble. > > > Cheers, > > Nancy Frey > OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset > > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 12:09 PM Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> GENUKI/Devon - What's New >> >> Oct 2018al RootsWeb community >> > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Bev, Joy & Elizabeth for your advice. I haven't had any luck with your suggestions, therefore I must presume these farms were small holdings within the districts named Medland & Upcott, although the land at Medlands Upcott was 37+ acres, which would be a considerable area for a leased property to a man of limited means. . In a document dated 29.12.1840, in connection with the examination of his granddaughter, Elizabeth, who was removed back to Hatherleigh from Cornwall, her father, Thomas Jewell, stated his father (James) has paid "upwards of 100 pounds" for the Medlands Upcott land in about 1807 after having leased it at 13 pounds per annum. He then lived on the property for a further 13 years. Margaret

Wow Brian! When do you get any work done? That's a fantastic list and part of it is now on my 'to do'list'. Thank you and all the contributors who make this possble. Cheers, Nancy Frey OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 12:09 PM Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi: > > GENUKI/Devon - What's New > > Oct 2018al RootsWeb community >

Thanks to one and all who stopped what they were doing to take a search for my Selina - although it is really tempting to hook onto Selena Frances in Seaton, after more sleuthing into the White family of Northleigh, the Seaton Whites are a totally different family...........rats! Either this Selena is some relation to William White of Northleigh (*1821), or she is a child of Sarah Joan Hooper (*1830 Kentisbeare) and William White and I have not found a baptism for her, etc. So the search continues! Cheerio to all! Lora

Thanks so much, Chris. This Selena would seem to be a relative of Wm. White's family (my ancestor Sarah Hooper married to William White), unless I find a baptism/birth record for her - I've found all the other kids of Wm and Sarah, but nothing for her. Reviewing my notes copied from the Bible, there is the date of 20 May 1856 next to her name, before she lists my forebears and their birthdays. Sarahs many children were all born in Farway, Northleigh, or Gittisham - so Selena, it seems to me, must have been a cousin of Wm White's?? Something like that - thanks to everyone who looked for her for me! Lora On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 7:04 AM <cmgibbins9@gmail.com> wrote: > Good morning, > > Using Find my Past I have found Selina Francis WHITE dau. of Henry & Emma, > of Seaton, > he is a Draper. bapt. 22 Sep 1856 in Seaton & Beer, born 27 Aug 1856. > > Best wishes, > > Chris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ziggy beseler <trempealeau2@gmail.com> > Sent: 02 November 2018 11:45 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Re: SELINA > > This could be her if she is the daughter of a relative of the Northleigh > husband and my Gittisham wife forebear - that may be answer - - or she is > a > birth that I simply can't find baptism/birth records for (William and Sarah > White, Northleigh & Gittisham) - I will keep your info on hand - thank you! > Dark and cold Lora in Wisconsin PS sleuthing around in my notes yesterday, > the Bible entry says: Selina White, 20 May 1856 - followed by the names and > DOB's of my great grandmother and sibs > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:31 AM Elizabeth Howard via DEVON < > devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Hi. She is living with her parents Harry and Emma White in Fore street > > Seaton in the 1861 census. Harry is a draper and there are 5 children > > including Selina plus 2 servants. > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >