Hi John It could well be..the ‘i’ is often swallowed so it sounds like dit’sham.. I don’t know of anywhere else it could be but someone else might. Jane > On 8 Nov 2018, at 04:25, John Moore <johnbrianmoore1934@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a woman in the 1881 census in Exeter whose birthplace is shown as > Ditson. Would iIbe right to think this is a local version of Dittisham? > > Regards, > John Moore > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

You would be correct, have also seen spellings Dittsam, Dittsum. As long as it sounds the same any spelling goes. Sent from my iPad > On 8 Nov 2018, at 04:25, John Moore <johnbrianmoore1934@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have a woman in the 1881 census in Exeter whose birthplace is shown as > Ditson. Would iIbe right to think this is a local version of Dittisham? > > Regards, > John Moore > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Lora What’s the context of the place name? Who are the people, what are the dates and source associated with it? It may help one of us to identify it. I couldn’t find it either, just as a place name. Mike Rendle Sent from my iPad > On 8 Nov 2018, at 02:04, ziggy beseler <trempealeau2@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here goes with another question, List: Has anyone heard of or know of a > place called Marlopen - somewhere in the vicinity of Uffculme/Kentisbeare? > I find it nowhere on genuki for this in Devon towns and parishes. Lora > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have a woman in the 1881 census in Exeter whose birthplace is shown as Ditson. Would iIbe right to think this is a local version of Dittisham? Regards, John Moore

Thanks to Bev and Maree for their sleuthing on Henry Hooper - Australia is a real possibility! It is appreciated. Lora

Here goes with another question, List: Has anyone heard of or know of a place called Marlopen - somewhere in the vicinity of Uffculme/Kentisbeare? I find it nowhere on genuki for this in Devon towns and parishes. Lora

very interesting, Bev - although there is no father for him in his records in Gittisham - which is why, I assume he is called Henry "Hooper" after his mother's maiden name. On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:24 PM B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > Emily Jane LILLECRAPP appears to have been born 23 May 1856 > > 1856 > LILLECRAPP > Emily Jane > Wm LILLECRAPP > Jane RYALL > Talunga > 8/126 > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:04 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] Re: Hooper > > > Hi Ziggy > > > > There is a Henry HOOPER born 1852 married 20 Aug 1877 at Chapel George > St > > Stepney, Adelaide, South Australia s/o Henry Hooper > > Married Emily Jane LILLICRAP aged 21 d/o William Lillicrap > > > > He could be your guy. > > Bev Edmonds > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "ziggy beseler" <trempealeau2@gmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:14 AM > > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [DEV] Hooper > > > >> Hi List - > >> > >> Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or later > >> census - > >> > >> Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham > >> > >> I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, > but > >> cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a snippet > >> comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, carpenter > employing > >> one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - any other info on the > >> entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, Gittisham? etc. Is > there > >> a > >> burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? > >> > >> Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ------------------------------------------ > >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >> community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Bev - I'll check this out as much as I can. My Henry Hooper was the baseborn son of Matilda Hooper of Gittisham - he lived all his life with his grandmother, Mary Hooper, in Gittisham - at least to the 1871 census after which he disappears (can't find a burial for him either in the parish records) - so maybe he up and left to Australia! Thank you for the help! Lora On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:04 PM B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > Hi Ziggy > > There is a Henry HOOPER born 1852 married 20 Aug 1877 at Chapel George St > Stepney, Adelaide, South Australia s/o Henry Hooper > Married Emily Jane LILLICRAP aged 21 d/o William Lillicrap > > He could be your guy. > Bev Edmonds > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ziggy beseler" <trempealeau2@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:14 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] Hooper > > > Hi List - > > > > Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or later > > census - > > > > Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham > > > > I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, but > > cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a snippet > > comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, carpenter employing > > one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - any other info on the > > entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, Gittisham? etc. Is there > a > > burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? > > > > Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Sure, Maree - thanks - my Henry Hooper (to fill you in) is the baseborn son of Matilda Hooper of Gittisham - Matilda later married William Alford and left poor Henry behind with grandmother Mary Hooper in Gittisham (Matilda was only in Buckerell and Hamlet-Weston(Honiton west end)) - I can't imagine why my gg grandmother Matilda would do this - she proceeded to have 6 kids with Wm A., incl my g grandmother. Lora On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:19 PM Maree Posthuma <mpps@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > Hi Ziggy, > > I believe my cousin has LILLICRAP and HOOPER in her family. I also have > HOOPER in my family, but we haven't found if they are connected as yet. > > I will send your details to my cousin if that's ok > > Cheers > Maree > > -----Original Message----- > From: B. Edmonds [mailto:beverley@yourisp.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:04 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Re: Hooper > > Hi Ziggy > > There is a Henry HOOPER born 1852 married 20 Aug 1877 at Chapel George St > Stepney, Adelaide, South Australia s/o Henry Hooper Married Emily Jane > LILLICRAP aged 21 d/o William Lillicrap > > He could be your guy. > Bev Edmonds > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ziggy beseler" <trempealeau2@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:14 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] Hooper > > > Hi List - > > > > Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or > > later census - > > > > Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham > > > > I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, > > but cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a > > snippet comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, > > carpenter employing one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - > > any other info on the entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, > > Gittisham? etc. Is there a burial record for him - cannot find anything. > Parents? > > > > Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I found a John Samuel BARNETT born 1 Jul 1838 and bapt Devonport 1 Jul 1848 s/o John and Sarah This accounts for the John S. barrett in 1851 Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:26 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Edward EDMONDS/EDMUNDS= Sarah RENSHAW? > Hi Bev, > > Have found a marriage of a Sarah RENSHAW to a John BARNETT in 1829 in East > Stonehouse. > Birth of John Samuel BARNETT birth registered Q3 1838 - Portsea Island - > Vol 7 p 127 - MMN RENSHAW > > Still can't find marriage of Sarah BARNETT/BARRETT to an EDMONDS, although > possible that their could be another marriage between 1838 and 1850, so > may be hard to track down. > > Tim. > > DFHS : 13926 > > On 07/11/2018 22:18, B. Edmonds wrote: >> Morning all >> >> I cannot find an EDMUNDS/EDMONDS marriage to a RENSHAW bef 1849 >> Nor a marriage between a Sarah RENSHAW/BARRETT >> Nor can I Find a EDMONDS/EDMUND marriage to a HEMMETT >> >> >> In 1851 in Water Lane Stoke Damerel >> Sarah Edmunds, 40, Laundress born 1811 born Devonport [I think she is d/o >> John & Rebecca] >> John S. BARRETT, son aged 12, Portsea >> George H. Edmunds, son aged 1 [GRO Mother RENSHAW] >> >> If she is the same Sarah then... >> >> In 1881 Stoke Damerel >> Sarah HEMMETT, widow, born 1810 Devonport >> John RENSHAW, widower, 1815, Devonport [this is her brother bapt 1815 s/o >> John & Rebecca RANSHAW] >> >> Again, f she is the same Sarah then... >> In 1891 Devonport >> Sarah HEMMENT Widow 1811 is with her son George Edmonds, 1849 Seaman >> Pensioner. >> When George married Susan BARRETT in 1870, he gives his father as Edward >> EDMONDS cabinet maker >> >> Regards >> Bev Edmonds >> _______________________________________________ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hello Mike Thank heavens for you bright sparks. Thanks a lot. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Rendle" <northdevonrendle@outlook.com> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:39 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Edward EDMONDS/EDMUNDS= Sarah RENSHAW? > Hi Bev > > The 1841 census has: > Granby North East, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England > HO107 Piece 273, Book 2, Folio 31, Page 57 > Sarah BARNETT Female aged 30 born in Devon > with John BARNETT Male aged 2 not born in Devon > > Living in the same household but a separate family group are: > Reb’a (Rebecca?) RENSHAW Female aged 50 not born in Devon > William RENSHAW Male aged 12 born in Devon > Samuel RENSHAW Male aged 7 not born in Devon > > Also on FMP there is the baptism at Stoke Damerel of Sarah RENSHAW on 30 > Dec 1812, parents John & Rebecca. > > I’ll keep looking for the EDM*NDS and HEMMETT connections. > > Best regards > > Mike Rendle > DFHS 21563 > > On 7 Nov 2018, at 23:26, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) > <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk<mailto:genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk>> > wrote: > > Hi Bev, > > Have found a marriage of a Sarah RENSHAW to a John BARNETT in 1829 in East > Stonehouse. > Birth of John Samuel BARNETT birth registered Q3 1838 - Portsea Island - > Vol 7 p 127 - MMN RENSHAW > <snip> > Tim. > > DFHS : 13926 > > On 07/11/2018 22:18, B. Edmonds wrote: > Morning all > > <snip> > Nor can I Find a EDMONDS/EDMUND marriage to a HEMMETT > <snip> > If she is the same Sarah then... > > In 1881 Stoke Damerel > Sarah HEMMETT, widow, born 1810 Devonport > John RENSHAW, widower, 1815, Devonport [this is her brother bapt 1815 s/o > John & Rebecca RANSHAW] > > Again, f she is the same Sarah then... > In 1891 Devonport > Sarah HEMMENT Widow 1811 is with her son George Edmonds, 1849 Seaman > Pensioner. > When George married Susan BARRETT in 1870, he gives his father as Edward > EDMONDS cabinet maker > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Thank you Tim I am now side tracked but will hop to it straightaway. Good thinking on your part. Better them me: ) Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:26 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Edward EDMONDS/EDMUNDS= Sarah RENSHAW? > Hi Bev, > > Have found a marriage of a Sarah RENSHAW to a John BARNETT in 1829 in East > Stonehouse. > Birth of John Samuel BARNETT birth registered Q3 1838 - Portsea Island - > Vol 7 p 127 - MMN RENSHAW > > Still can't find marriage of Sarah BARNETT/BARRETT to an EDMONDS, although > possible that their could be another marriage between 1838 and 1850, so > may be hard to track down. > > Tim. > > DFHS : 13926 > > On 07/11/2018 22:18, B. Edmonds wrote: >> Morning all >> >> I cannot find an EDMUNDS/EDMONDS marriage to a RENSHAW bef 1849 >> Nor a marriage between a Sarah RENSHAW/BARRETT >> Nor can I Find a EDMONDS/EDMUND marriage to a HEMMETT >> >> >> In 1851 in Water Lane Stoke Damerel >> Sarah Edmunds, 40, Laundress born 1811 born Devonport [I think she is d/o >> John & Rebecca] >> John S. BARRETT, son aged 12, Portsea >> George H. Edmunds, son aged 1 [GRO Mother RENSHAW] >> >> If she is the same Sarah then... >> >> In 1881 Stoke Damerel >> Sarah HEMMETT, widow, born 1810 Devonport >> John RENSHAW, widower, 1815, Devonport [this is her brother bapt 1815 s/o >> John & Rebecca RANSHAW] >> >> Again, f she is the same Sarah then... >> In 1891 Devonport >> Sarah HEMMENT Widow 1811 is with her son George Edmonds, 1849 Seaman >> Pensioner. >> When George married Susan BARRETT in 1870, he gives his father as Edward >> EDMONDS cabinet maker >> >> Regards >> Bev Edmonds >> _______________________________________________ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Bev The 1841 census has: Granby North East, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England HO107 Piece 273, Book 2, Folio 31, Page 57 Sarah BARNETT Female aged 30 born in Devon with John BARNETT Male aged 2 not born in Devon Living in the same household but a separate family group are: Reb’a (Rebecca?) RENSHAW Female aged 50 not born in Devon William RENSHAW Male aged 12 born in Devon Samuel RENSHAW Male aged 7 not born in Devon Also on FMP there is the baptism at Stoke Damerel of Sarah RENSHAW on 30 Dec 1812, parents John & Rebecca. I’ll keep looking for the EDM*NDS and HEMMETT connections. Best regards Mike Rendle DFHS 21563 On 7 Nov 2018, at 23:26, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk<mailto:genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk>> wrote: Hi Bev, Have found a marriage of a Sarah RENSHAW to a John BARNETT in 1829 in East Stonehouse. Birth of John Samuel BARNETT birth registered Q3 1838 - Portsea Island - Vol 7 p 127 - MMN RENSHAW <snip> Tim. DFHS : 13926 On 07/11/2018 22:18, B. Edmonds wrote: Morning all <snip> Nor can I Find a EDMONDS/EDMUND marriage to a HEMMETT <snip> If she is the same Sarah then... In 1881 Stoke Damerel Sarah HEMMETT, widow, born 1810 Devonport John RENSHAW, widower, 1815, Devonport [this is her brother bapt 1815 s/o John & Rebecca RANSHAW] Again, f she is the same Sarah then... In 1891 Devonport Sarah HEMMENT Widow 1811 is with her son George Edmonds, 1849 Seaman Pensioner. When George married Susan BARRETT in 1870, he gives his father as Edward EDMONDS cabinet maker

Hi Bev, Have found a marriage of a Sarah RENSHAW to a John BARNETT in 1829 in East Stonehouse. Birth of John Samuel BARNETT birth registered Q3 1838 - Portsea Island - Vol 7 p 127 - MMN RENSHAW Still can't find marriage of Sarah BARNETT/BARRETT to an EDMONDS, although possible that their could be another marriage between 1838 and 1850, so may be hard to track down. Tim. DFHS : 13926 On 07/11/2018 22:18, B. Edmonds wrote: > Morning all > > I  cannot find an EDMUNDS/EDMONDS marriage to a RENSHAW bef 1849 > Nor a marriage between a Sarah RENSHAW/BARRETT > Nor can I Find a EDMONDS/EDMUND marriage to a HEMMETT > > > In 1851 in Water Lane Stoke Damerel > Sarah Edmunds, 40, Laundress born 1811 born Devonport [I think she is > d/o John & Rebecca] > John S. BARRETT, son aged 12, Portsea > George H. Edmunds, son aged 1  [GRO Mother RENSHAW] > > If she is the same Sarah then... > > In 1881 Stoke Damerel > Sarah HEMMETT, widow, born 1810 Devonport > John RENSHAW, widower, 1815, Devonport [this is her brother bapt 1815 > s/o John & Rebecca RANSHAW] > > Again, f she is the same Sarah then... > In 1891 Devonport > Sarah HEMMENT Widow 1811  is with her son George Edmonds, 1849 Seaman > Pensioner. > When George married Susan BARRETT in 1870, he gives his father as > Edward EDMONDS cabinet maker > > Regards > Bev Edmonds > _______________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Emily Jane LILLECRAPP appears to have been born 23 May 1856 1856 LILLECRAPP Emily Jane Wm LILLECRAPP Jane RYALL Talunga 8/126 -------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:04 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Hooper > Hi Ziggy > > There is a Henry HOOPER born 1852 married 20 Aug 1877 at Chapel George St > Stepney, Adelaide, South Australia s/o Henry Hooper > Married Emily Jane LILLICRAP aged 21 d/o William Lillicrap > > He could be your guy. > Bev Edmonds > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ziggy beseler" <trempealeau2@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:14 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] Hooper > >> Hi List - >> >> Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or later >> census - >> >> Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham >> >> I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, but >> cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a snippet >> comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, carpenter employing >> one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - any other info on the >> entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, Gittisham? etc. Is there >> a >> burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? >> >> Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Further to this Trove papers have a Henry HOOPER died 5th Oct 1897, at his residence, Angas-street, Kent Town, aged 45 He is buried at Payneham Cemetery He has a daughter in 7th Nov 1877 at Kent Town Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 9:04 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Hooper > Hi Ziggy > > There is a Henry HOOPER born 1852 married 20 Aug 1877 at Chapel George St > Stepney, Adelaide, South Australia s/o Henry Hooper > Married Emily Jane LILLICRAP aged 21 d/o William Lillicrap > > He could be your guy. > Bev Edmonds > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ziggy beseler" <trempealeau2@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:14 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] Hooper > >> Hi List - >> >> Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or later >> census - >> >> Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham >> >> I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, but >> cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a snippet >> comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, carpenter employing >> one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - any other info on the >> entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, Gittisham? etc. Is there >> a >> burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? >> >> Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hi Ziggy, I believe my cousin has LILLICRAP and HOOPER in her family. I also have HOOPER in my family, but we haven't found if they are connected as yet. I will send your details to my cousin if that's ok Cheers Maree -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds [mailto:beverley@yourisp.com.au] Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:04 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: Hooper Hi Ziggy There is a Henry HOOPER born 1852 married 20 Aug 1877 at Chapel George St Stepney, Adelaide, South Australia s/o Henry Hooper Married Emily Jane LILLICRAP aged 21 d/o William Lillicrap He could be your guy. Bev Edmonds -------------------------------------------------- From: "ziggy beseler" <trempealeau2@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:14 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Hooper > Hi List - > > Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or > later census - > > Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham > > I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, > but cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a > snippet comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, > carpenter employing one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - > any other info on the entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, > Gittisham? etc. Is there a burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? > > Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Ziggy There is a Henry HOOPER born 1852 married 20 Aug 1877 at Chapel George St Stepney, Adelaide, South Australia s/o Henry Hooper Married Emily Jane LILLICRAP aged 21 d/o William Lillicrap He could be your guy. Bev Edmonds -------------------------------------------------- From: "ziggy beseler" <trempealeau2@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 5:14 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Hooper > Hi List - > > Could anyone be kind enough to do a look up for me on the 1881 or later > census - > > Henry Hooper, born 1852, Gittisham > > I have him on the 1861 and 1871 living with grandmother in Gittisham, but > cannot locate him any further - til the other day when I saw a snippet > comment from the 1881 allegedly, Henry Hooper, 1852, carpenter employing > one boy - I want to verify that this is my Henry - any other info on the > entry, marr or unmarr? living with grandmother, Gittisham? etc. Is there a > burial record for him - cannot find anything. Parents? > > Thanks so much! Lora in dark and cold Wisconsin > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Morning all I cannot find an EDMUNDS/EDMONDS marriage to a RENSHAW bef 1849 Nor a marriage between a Sarah RENSHAW/BARRETT Nor can I Find a EDMONDS/EDMUND marriage to a HEMMETT In 1851 in Water Lane Stoke Damerel Sarah Edmunds, 40, Laundress born 1811 born Devonport [I think she is d/o John & Rebecca] John S. BARRETT, son aged 12, Portsea George H. Edmunds, son aged 1 [GRO Mother RENSHAW] If she is the same Sarah then... In 1881 Stoke Damerel Sarah HEMMETT, widow, born 1810 Devonport John RENSHAW, widower, 1815, Devonport [this is her brother bapt 1815 s/o John & Rebecca RANSHAW] Again, f she is the same Sarah then... In 1891 Devonport Sarah HEMMENT Widow 1811 is with her son George Edmonds, 1849 Seaman Pensioner. When George married Susan BARRETT in 1870, he gives his father as Edward EDMONDS cabinet maker Regards Bev Edmonds

Quite right, It was Wooden World not Walls-mixing myself up with the Athenians, I suspect! Jon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Amanda Kerby Sent: 07 November 2018 09:22 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions Hi all, I haven't been following this thread from the start, but was interested in the reference to the N.A.M. Rodger book so googled and found it was called" The Wooden World: An Anatomy of the Georgian Navy" published 1996. Lots of copies available online at reasonable cost. It looks like a really good read to get a feel for life on board - I have a ships surgeon based out of Bristol but they seemed to turn up in many of the southern ports on their travels! Thanks for the tip! Amanda, NZ Regards, Amanda Kerby 112 Englefield Road Northwood Christchurch 8051 NEW ZEALAND Ph: (03) 261 9142 Mob: 027 3023562 -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Frayne <jon.frayne@gmail.com> Sent: 06 November 2018 04:25 To: pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com Cc: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions Oh I forgot the Cook-how stupid is that! Prof Rodger also wrote a very readable account of the Georgian Navy called ‘Wooden Walls’ and of course the formal history of the Navy in two volumes. Jon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Paul Benyon Sent: 01 November 2018 12:26 To: Jonathan Frayne Cc: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions Jon I didn't want to go off topic so much, but for the record per Prof N.A.M. Rodger in his book Naval Records for Genealogists : Among the warrant officers the Boatswain, Cook, Purser, Gunner and Carpenter were distinguished as `standing officers', in principle warranted to a ship for her lifetime regardless of whether she were in commission or not &c. &c., and by me ; one shouldn't forget the men who actually carried out much of the day to day maintenance, their numbers depending on the rating of the vessel. Paul On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 09:15:05 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Paul > >There were only four people permanently employed on a ship laid up in ordinary (no matter how large it was): >The sailmaker, the gunner, the boatswain (for the rigging) and the carpenter. >Officers were on half pay (as were these warrant officers) awaiting a >commission to a ship. The men were otherwise in the merchant trade (as indeed were many junior officers!). Nelson spent quite a lot of time in the merchant service in his early years as half pay was very little for a lieutenant without private income. The Navy regarded it as a means of their officers learning new skills and new places. BTW All commissioned officers got half pay when not employed. An admiral who was not going to be further employed became what was known as a ‘yellow’ admiral and there are lists in TNA. This was a polite fiction to allow for newer officers to be employed rather than constantly snub the older ones by not appointing them to tasks their seniority would otherwise have ‘entitled’ them to seek. Older captains were just expected to swallow their pride and accept they were no longer employable (got one of them in my family tree) and remain on half-pay until you died as a form of pension if not otherwise granted one. They were called superannuated which chimes in with more modern terminology. > >Jon > >Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >From: Paul Benyon >Sent: 01 November 2018 09:01 >To: devon@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions > > >And if you come across a naval pensioner's assessment you will find >that it is very similar, and rather interestingly, was assessed using >the lunar calendar, as was naval pay at one time, but for warrant >officers who started off life as ratings, periods spent on board ships >in ordinary (ie in reserve), in harbour, pensions were assessed at a >reduced rate compared with time spent serving on board sea-going >vessels, not forgetting that there were no shore establishments in >those days. > >Paul > >On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 03:48:58 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi Joy, >> >>Good point. It appears to have been different in the Army, as I have >>a guy whose pension has been calculated based on the number of weeks >>at one rank plus the number at another, so all very complicated. >> >>Best wishes >> >>Mike >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joy Langdon via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] >>Sent: 31 October 2018 18:50 >>To: devon@rootsweb.com >>Cc: Joy Langdon >>Subject: [DEV] Re: Naval pensions >> >>Hi Mike, >> >>If people are wondering why they have a naval ancestor and can't find >>pension records, can I just draw their attention to the National >>Archives information about the RN ratings pensions: >>http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-gu >>ides/r >>oyal-navy-ratings-pensions/ >> >>Note that Paragraph 3 states "It was not until 1859 that pensions for >>service were granted automatically to all ratings who had served for >>20 consecutive years in the Royal Navy. Up to 1859 there was no >>guarantee that a rating would receive a pension for service. Before >>then, pensions were rarely awarded to ratings unless they had been >>wounded or killed in action or on duty." >> >>Joy >>----Original message---- >>From : mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk >>Date : 30/10/2018 - 09:35 (GMT) >>To : devon@rootsweb.com >>Subject : [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: WILLS >> >>Hi Elizabeth, >> >>If we're talking about the Army or the Navy, then there were pensions. >>An Army pensioner was called a Chelsea pensioner and the navy had >>Greenwich pensioners. If they didn't actually live at Chelsea or >>Greenwich, they were called out-pensioners. This was true throughout >>the 19th century, so would have applied at the time being discussed here. >> >>Best wishes >> >>Mike Gould >>Leicestershire >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>------------------------------------------ >>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >>(http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>_______________________________________________ >>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>RootsWeb community >> >>_______________________________________________ >>------------------------------------------ >>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>_______________________________________________ >>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>RootsWeb community >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > >_______________________________________________ >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb >is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >community 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community