HI Bev …….As usual with your queries, this is most interesting ……...the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette , 24th July 1868 , has " Totnes : At the Guildhall before R H Watson , esq , Thomas Blatchford of Glaze , Diptford , was brought up in custody charged with assaulting with intent , Prothesa Gillard aged 10 years and a few months daughter of Nicholas and Lucy (sic) Gillard, Kerswill , South Brent .  The alleged offence took place on 13th inst . Prisoner committed for trial . "GROBirths June 1/4 1858  " Jillard ; Elizabeth Prothesa Ann .  Plymouth. 5b 254".Western Times :"  Death of Nicholas Gillard, at Osborne House , Exeter, aged 74 "3 March 1886 .Totnes Weekly Times, Oct 1887 . " Mr Kellock applied to have the licence of the Red Lion Dittisham , transferred from Mrs Selicia Mary Ferris to Mr Nicholas Gillard .  Bench refused the application on the grounds that Gillard whilst keeping a licenced house at Halwill conducted it in an unsatisfactory manner and had his licence endorsed ." I just thought to try to track the family through , in case it gave some idea of what happened to Prothesa …...

Western Times . 13th Nov 1875 :  On Nov 9th 1875, at 50 Abbey Road, Torquay , Mr George Alford , late of Exeter, aged 74 .

There's a tree on ancestry showing her marrying John Henry Harrison in Ontario in 1884, and living there in 1901, nothing after that. Might be worth following up, although I have no idea of its accuracy. The same tree show her mother dying in Ontario in 1908, following the death of her husband Nicholas in England in 1900. Regards James Butler -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2018 3:52 PM To: Devon Mailing List <Devon@rootsweb.com>; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Prothesa Lucy GILLARD 1858 Afternoon Can anyone please tell me what became of Prothesa Lucy [Lucy] GILLARD 1858 South Pool? I have lost her after 1881 when she went up on charges for stealing. Regards Bev _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Afternoon Can anyone please tell me what became of Prothesa Lucy [Lucy] GILLARD 1858 South Pool? I have lost her after 1881 when she went up on charges for stealing. Regards Bev

-------------------------------------------------- From: "ziggy beseler" <trempealeau2@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 11:40 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: SHOPLAND, Eleanor > Edna - thanks so much!! How interesting on Hugh. Wow I really > appreciate > it. I shared it with the Shapcotts, Frederick John Shapcott, who married > their daughter Mary Ellen. Snow last night. Lora in Wisconsin > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Edna Marlow <liverpud-49@rogers.com> > wrote: > >> >> Exeter Flying Post November 12, 1884 (FMP) >> >> Deaths >> Shopland Nov 5th, Eleanor, at Exeter, >> wife of H. T. Shopland, of Torre, Torquay, age 66. >> >> Edna - Ottawa >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( >> http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hello List - now can anyone out there snag me an obituary for George Alford, November 9-13, 1875 Exeter - "Western Times"? Lora

Hi Edna, Thank you. I will try it. Don Firsdom ____________________________________________________________ Gut Doctor "I Beg Americans To Throw Out This Vegetable Now" unhealthpublications.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5c0007ff382107ff1385st02duc

Lora/Ziggy, My pleasure. Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: ziggy beseler Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 9:19 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: SHOPLAND, Eleanor Hi Edna - it hit me after writing you a bit ago that Eleanor Jane met Hugh Shopland because her own father, George Alford, was a cabinet maker. I have a photo of a woman in Torquay that my g grandmother brought with her in 1891 when she came to this country from Honiton. Now I know the Torquay connection! Thank you! Lora/Ziggy

Hi Edna - it hit me after writing you a bit ago that Eleanor Jane met Hugh Shopland because her own father, George Alford, was a cabinet maker. I have a photo of a woman in Torquay that my g grandmother brought with her in 1891 when she came to this country from Honiton. Now I know the Torquay connection! Thank you! Lora/Ziggy On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 8:13 AM Edna Marlow <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > Ziggy, was delighted I found that just by googling. Looks like an > interesting family. > > We have had snow from early November perhaps blowing in from Wisconsin.... > > Take care, > > Edna ~ snowy Ottawa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ziggy beseler > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:40 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Re: SHOPLAND, Eleanor > > Edna - thanks so much!! How interesting on Hugh. Wow I really appreciate > it. I shared it with the Shapcotts, Frederick John Shapcott, who married > their daughter Mary Ellen. Snow last night. Lora in Wisconsin > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Edna Marlow <liverpud-49@rogers.com> > wrote: > > > > > Exeter Flying Post November 12, 1884 (FMP) > > > > Deaths > > Shopland Nov 5th, Eleanor, at Exeter, > > wife of H. T. Shopland, of Torre, Torquay, age 66. > > > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Ziggy, was delighted I found that just by googling. Looks like an interesting family. We have had snow from early November perhaps blowing in from Wisconsin.... Take care, Edna ~ snowy Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: ziggy beseler Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:40 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: SHOPLAND, Eleanor Edna - thanks so much!! How interesting on Hugh. Wow I really appreciate it. I shared it with the Shapcotts, Frederick John Shapcott, who married their daughter Mary Ellen. Snow last night. Lora in Wisconsin On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Edna Marlow <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > > Exeter Flying Post November 12, 1884 (FMP) > > Deaths > Shopland Nov 5th, Eleanor, at Exeter, > wife of H. T. Shopland, of Torre, Torquay, age 66. > > Edna - Ottawa >

Edna - thanks so much!! How interesting on Hugh. Wow I really appreciate it. I shared it with the Shapcotts, Frederick John Shapcott, who married their daughter Mary Ellen. Snow last night. Lora in Wisconsin On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Edna Marlow <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > > Exeter Flying Post November 12, 1884 (FMP) > > Deaths > Shopland Nov 5th, Eleanor, at Exeter, > wife of H. T. Shopland, of Torre, Torquay, age 66. > > Edna - Ottawa > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Don, Could try this Hampshire site: https://www.knightroots.co.uk/ Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: don-shrlky@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 10:37 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: Shopland I am looking for up to date Info on any FURSDON names. My grandfather descended from David Fursdon born Portsea, Hampshire in 1827. He spelled his name as John David Firsdon in Ontario, Canada and later moved to Bowling Green, Ohio, USA. Donald G. Firsdon, now in Lexington, Kentucky, USA don-shrlky@juno.com ____________________________________________________________

I am looking for up to date Info on any FURSDON names. My grandfather descended from David Fursdon born Portsea, Hampshire in 1827. He spelled his name as John David Firsdon in Ontario, Canada and later moved to Bowling Green, Ohio, USA. Donald G. Firsdon, now in Lexington, Kentucky, USA don-shrlky@juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Eat This And 'Never Forget' A Single Thing Again clearstateofmind.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5bff5f355be115f3512e8st01duc

Exeter Flying Post November 12, 1884 (FMP) Deaths Shopland Nov 5th, Eleanor, at Exeter, wife of H. T. Shopland, of Torre, Torquay, age 66. Edna - Ottawa

Just googled and found this: http://medicalgentlemen.co.uk/patients-and-diseases/ht-shopland Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: ziggy beseler Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 9:37 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Shopland Hi List - Is there anyone out there who can snag me a copy of an obituary for an Eleanor Shopland, wife of H.T. Shopland, Exeter published on either November 7 or November 12, 1884. I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks, Lora

Hi List - Is there anyone out there who can snag me a copy of an obituary for an Eleanor Shopland, wife of H.T. Shopland, Exeter published on either November 7 or November 12, 1884. I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks, Lora

If you know a person has died, and you have a copy of the death certificate, you can request that the person's entry be opened. A lady in our family had remarried late in life, and her death was not matched to her entry in the 1939 Register (her first married surname had been recorded).  A cousin (the lady's son) provided a copy of her death certificate and her record was opened. On 28/11/2018 6:32 AM, Joy Langdon via DEVON wrote: > Bev, > > If nobody has updated the 1939 Register that people have died then their names remain blacked out so Violet is probably the redacted name that Elizabeth mentioned. I couldn't find my mother and three of her siblings on the Register but there are four blacked out names in the household with my grandmother. It is definitely the correct household, the only child that is shown has been updated with her married name and my grandparents were living in the same house when I was a child. It was very frustrating trying to locate the family as every search failed and, wouldn't you know it, I searched for the only visible sister last. My grandfather was working away from home and not in the household and my grandmother didn't help by using her middle name. I have no idea how the death information reached the Register, the only visible sister died qute a long time after several of the hidden names. > > Joy > ----Original message---- > >From : beverley@yourisp.com.au > Date : 27/11/2018 - 18:50 (GMT) > To : elizgh@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com > Subject : [DEV] Re: CAME > > Hi Elizabeth > > Yes, I had that. Eustace and Violet must have parted after 1930. I have yet > to find her in 1939. > I know that a lot of wives and families were sent away, but there seems to > be an awful lot missing that should be there. > Regards > Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON" <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:55 PM > >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Hi, I think the redacted name in Eustace's 1939 entry is possibly the daughter (Margaret 1920-1970) of Wm Herbert & Maud Matherell (nee PENWARDEN) SOBY. HTH Louise -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] Sent: 27 November 2018 19:32 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Joy Langdon Subject: [DEV] Re: CAME Bev, If nobody has updated the 1939 Register that people have died then their names remain blacked out so Violet is probably the redacted name that Elizabeth mentioned. I couldn't find my mother and three of her siblings on the Register but there are four blacked out names in the household with my grandmother. It is definitely the correct household, the only child that is shown has been updated with her married name and my grandparents were living in the same house when I was a child. It was very frustrating trying to locate the family as every search failed and, wouldn't you know it, I searched for the only visible sister last. My grandfather was working away from home and not in the household and my grandmother didn't help by using her middle name. I have no idea how the death information reached the Register, the only visible sister died qute a long time after several of the hidden names. Joy ----Original message---- From : beverley@yourisp.com.au Date : 27/11/2018 - 18:50 (GMT) To : elizgh@btinternet.com, devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Re: CAME Hi Elizabeth Yes, I had that. Eustace and Violet must have parted after 1930. I have yet to find her in 1939. I know that a lot of wives and families were sent away, but there seems to be an awful lot missing that should be there. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "ELIZABETH HOWARD via DEVON" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:55 PM > _______________________________________________ >

I have the Aldenham School [Hertfordshire] Register Book when hundreds of boys went to school there from all over the world. I am following a few names [out of interest and I came across this], they do not belong to my families. JOHNSTON, Basil, May 1893-July 1898 ( Son of John Alexander JOHNSTON, Merchant, of Dartford.) Foorball Eleven 189698. Pemb. Coll. Camb. 1898. B.A. 1901. Joint Head Master Tormore School deal. Great War, 2nd Lieut. Rifle Brigade 1916. Killed in action (France) Sept. 3rd. 1916 Now for the Devon connection. According to the CWGC Second Lieutenant JOHNSTON, Basil died 03/09/1916 6th Bn. attd 11th Bn. Rifle Brigade Brother of Mrs. I. K. SHELMERDINE, of Atherington Rectory, Umberleigh, Devon. Bev

Thanks Paul, All this is very useful and would account for the lost leg in the Great War. Many thanks Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hockie" <paul@hockie.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:17 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Eustace Leopold Came 1892 > Bev, > > Both FMP and Ancestry have Medal cards and Silver War Badge info on > Eustace. Ancestry has the images. Ancestry also has War Pension info but > under their Fold3 site at an extra cost but they offer a 7 day trial. > > The medal card seems to be blank but "Over one million Silver War Badges > were issued to men and women who were honourably discharged due to illness > or injury during World War One." Eustace received his 9th Nov 1918. > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: B. Edmonds [mailto:beverley@yourisp.com.au] > Sent: 27 November 2018 19:48 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Re: Eustace Leopold Came 1892 > > Hi Tim > > You might well be right, I will have to look into this some more. > Especially > the 1893 lass. All I had from when I first started from another researcher > was that Eustace married a Violet CAME and that he had lost a leg in the > Great War. > > I then assumed that it must be the Teignmouth Violet because that is where > Eustace was in 1929 with Violet > > Goes to show that one must be more careful. > > Regards > Bev > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 5:10 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] Re: Eustace Leopold Came 1892 > >> Hi Bev, >> What makes you think that your Violet CAME (Nee CRANCH) was born in >> 1900, as having looked at electoral rolls/census/Probate.BMD Index etc I >> believe that she was born DEC Q 1893 - Stoneham Registration District. >> This would then make her age at Death/Burial match what is given on the >> indexes for the death in 1961. >> >> Tim Treeby >> DFHS: 13926 >> >> On 27/11/2018 03:15, B. Edmonds wrote: >>> Afternoon all, >>> >>> I am sure I have looked in every conceivable place for death/burial of >>> Eustace Leopold Came 1892 and his wife Violet Anna [Nee CRANCH] born >>> 1900 >>> >>> I know that he lost a leg in the 1st World War. He was at one time is >>> Essex, then back in Devon. >>> >>> He had a daughter Josephine 1923 who would have been born in/nr >>> Teignmouth 1923 >>> >>> There is a Violet Came buried Teignmouth in 1961 [CD] but her age does >>> not match her birth of 1900. I wonder if this is a mistake on the part >>> of >>> whoever gave the information!! I am inclined to think it is her. >>> >>> She does not appear to be with Eustace Came in 1939, but have been >>> unable >>> to find her after 1929 in Teignmouth. >>> >>> If anyone can confirm that the 1961 is Violet, I would appreciate that >>> please, and then, where is Eustace?? >>> >>> Regards >>> Bev >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community