Thank you Terry, and the same to you! Jane Gould -----Original Message----- From: tjleaman@gmail.com <tjleaman@gmail.com> Sent: 20 December 2018 18:42 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Christmas A very merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year to you all. Terry List admin team _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

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Even better is the British Civil War project which Mr Google has just found for me and for Devon and Cornwall for 1643 it is clear that the war ebbed and flowed up and down Devon ……...so in fact Capt Halse could have been part of either side obtaining rations for the troops …..I will try to find 11th May exactly . I had no idea !! I am spellbound now !!! -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 20/12/18, Joy Langdon via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: Subject: [DEV] Re: HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btinternet.com> Date: Thursday, 20 December, 2018, 15:27 I think in 1643 Tiverton was in the hands of the Royalists.  According to the link below " During the contest between Charles and the parliament, the townsmen were much divided; in 1643 they were for a time subject to the king, but in 1645 the republican forces effected the entire subjugation of the town, and the castle, church, and outworks were taken, together with the governor and 200 men." There s a blue paque at The White Horse Inn, Tiverton saying that in August 1643 John Lock, miller, was hung at the White Horse Inn by a troop of the King's Dragoons. https://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england/pp366-369a Can't help with Halse, Kydler and Payne. Joy ----Original message---- From : chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk Date : 20/12/2018 - 14:21 (GMT) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned on a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War.                     "             XI die Maii 1643 The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were  brought ?? by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred  twenty & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and  Steers Sixe kyne Five heiffers of  Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" More animals are listed on the other side of the paper; the last entry is £3 worth of "Stone Cole"; in all £350  worth. Studleigh (now Stoodleigh) is a village about 5 miles north of Tiverton. Were the soldiers Royalists or Parliamentarians? Thomas Carew was a Royalist, but I don't imagine this would have influenced Captain Halse. So if one of your ancestors came to Stoodleigh &  took half our farming stock I'd like to hear from you!  :-) Chris _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I think in 1643 Tiverton was in the hands of the Royalists. According to the link below " During the contest between Charles and the parliament, the townsmen were much divided; in 1643 they were for a time subject to the king, but in 1645 the republican forces effected the entire subjugation of the town, and the castle, church, and outworks were taken, together with the governor and 200 men." There s a blue paque at The White Horse Inn, Tiverton saying that in August 1643 John Lock, miller, was hung at the White Horse Inn by a troop of the King's Dragoons. https://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england/pp366-369a Can't help with Halse, Kydler and Payne. Joy ----Original message---- From : chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk Date : 20/12/2018 - 14:21 (GMT) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned on a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War. " XI die Maii 1643 The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were brought ?? by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred twenty & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and Steers Sixe kyne Five heiffers of Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" More animals are listed on the other side of the paper; the last entry is £3 worth of "Stone Cole"; in all £350 worth. Studleigh (now Stoodleigh) is a village about 5 miles north of Tiverton. Were the soldiers Royalists or Parliamentarians? Thomas Carew was a Royalist, but I don't imagine this would have influenced Captain Halse. So if one of your ancestors came to Stoodleigh & took half our farming stock I'd like to hear from you! :-) Chris _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi and many thanks for this interesting snippet . These substantial losses don`t seem to have troubled the Carews one bit . If you go to the National archives site , the Carews are bargaining and leasing and releasing and wheeler dealing land and property all though the war period . This is a maybe pre- bankruptcy note . Sounds as if someone is mid war , just collating what is Thomas Carew`s value . In 1655 I think the Parliamentarians were beginning to feel the draught under the door and maybe were taking stock of what was left in the Royalist coffers . Can`t find anything on Capt Halse or Peter Payne but they will have been local apparatchiks . DD/TB/36/105/1-2 Description: A particular of the lands of Thomas Carew of Riston in Stoodleigh with their value after deductions for taxes, repairs etc., with a particular of woods, timber, stock and household stuff. Date: c.1655 Held by:Somerset Heritage Centre (South West Heritage Trust), not available at The National Archives On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 2:21 PM Chris Whitehead <chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > > Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned on > a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War. > > " > XI die Maii 1643 > The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were brought ?? > by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred twenty > & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and Steers > Sixe kyne Five heiffers of Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings > deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" > > More animals are listed on the other side of the paper; the last entry is £3 > worth of "Stone Cole"; in all £350 worth. > > Studleigh (now Stoodleigh) is a village about 5 miles north of Tiverton. > Were the soldiers Royalists or Parliamentarians? > Thomas Carew was a Royalist, but I don't imagine this would have influenced > Captain Halse. > > > So if one of your ancestors came to Stoodleigh & took half our farming > stock I'd like to hear from you! :-) > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned on a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War. " XI die Maii 1643 The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were brought ?? by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred twenty & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and Steers Sixe kyne Five heiffers of Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" More animals are listed on the other side of the paper; the last entry is £3 worth of "Stone Cole"; in all £350 worth. Studleigh (now Stoodleigh) is a village about 5 miles north of Tiverton. Were the soldiers Royalists or Parliamentarians? Thomas Carew was a Royalist, but I don't imagine this would have influenced Captain Halse. So if one of your ancestors came to Stoodleigh & took half our farming stock I'd like to hear from you! :-) Chris

TheShips List - that is an excellent site. Thanks for the reminder. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Joyeux Noel to all. Edna - sunny frosty Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 1:48 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Mariages at Sea This could come in handy. http://www.theshipslist.com/Forms/marriagesatsea.html Merry Christmas to one and all, I hope everyone has a pleasent Christmas and a healthy happy 2019. Happy researching too, I wonder where 2019 will take us all? Regards Bev

This could come in handy. http://www.theshipslist.com/Forms/marriagesatsea.html Merry Christmas to one and all, I hope everyone has a pleasent Christmas and a healthy happy 2019. Happy researching too, I wonder where 2019 will take us all? Regards Bev

This is what I was told in 2011: “In this test, your STR (Short Tandem Repeat loci in DNA) profile was compared with DNA profiles generated from 5,000 individuals from a number of geographic regions within Europe representing different populations. Using a formula developed to ascertain the population your profile most closely matches, a list was generated that shows range of population fits from most likely to least likely”. It is not DNA matching. Every time the population changes the results change and the very act of submitting a sample changes the population. Not very scientific. Ethnicity tests really only lists the places where you can walk into a pub and there is a small chance that you and one of the other customers have a small chance of having the same strand of DNA. A few weeks ago I saw the Who Do You Think You Are with Jonny Peacock who comes from a small island off the cost of Donegal. Along with a few on the mainline his DNA goes straight back to the first inhabitants of Ireland. No invaders, migrants etc. reached this far. It's all a statistical sleight of hand Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Ros Haywood [mailto:ros.haywood@gmail.com] Sent: 17 December 2018 11:15 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: DNA ~~~ Hmm. I was 99% Europe, of which 88% was southwest England, and I had smidgens of Ireland and Scandinavia in there. Now I am 100% England, Wales and Northwestern Europe - and the England part is Devon and Cornwall! Fancy that! I'm from Devon! *deep sarcasm* I suppose it's marginally better than being told my great-grandmother (born Cornwall, married Cornwall, died Cornwall) was from Africa, which is what they originally said... Ros Haywood ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mike Rendle" <northdevonrendle@outlook.com> To: "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16/12/2018 23:19:45 Subject: [DEV] Re: DNA ~~~ >The following is from Ancestry’s FAQ which explains why ethnicity estimates have changed. > >Best regards > >Mike Rendle >How could my estimate change over time? > >Your ethnicity estimate is based on the data we have and the methods we use to compare your results to that data. Because we're always collecting more data and our methods are constantly improving, your estimate may change over time. > >What might change? > >Your percentages for a region could change. Some new regions could appear. Some old regions, especially low-percentage regions, could disappear. Or you might not see much change at all. > >You could see new regions. > >When AncestryDNA launched in 2012, we compared your DNA against 22 possible regions. We now have more than 380. > >You could see old regions turn into new ones. > >For example, instead of one Iberian Peninsula region, we now have separate regions for Spain, Portugal, and Basque. And our Asia East region has been replaced by China, Korea and Northern Asia, Japan, Southeast Asia—Dai (Tai), Southeast Asia—Vietnam, and Philippines. > >You could see new percentages—higher or lower. > >Not only have new data and new methods enabled AncestryDNA to identify new regions, they have also improved our ability to determine how likely it is you belong to a region. These improvements mean that your percentages for a region could go up or down. > >You could see regions drop off your estimate. > >Because what AncestryDNA knows about the relationships between regions and DNA has improved, some regions may disappear from your estimate. This may be particularly true of regions that included 0% in the possible range on your earlier estimate. > >Sent from my iPad > >On 16 Dec 2018, at 23:05, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk<mailto:mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk>> wrote: > >Hi Joy & All, > > "We have updated your DNA results, do you want to see the updated >version? > >Yes, you're not the only one to get completely different results after this >message. I know someone who had the same experience. All I can assume is >that Ancestry got things completely wrong first time around. Whether they >have now got it "right", or even "more righter than before", who knows ? >They should repeat the advertisements that showed people smiling when they >received their first ethnicity results, except this time they should show >them rolling on the floor laughing when they get the updated ethnicity >results ;-) > >Best wishes > >Mike Gould > >_______________________________________________ >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks Brian And thanks for all the hard work by you and the volunteers over the past year. It's much appreciated. Merry Christmas Jane Gould -----Original Message----- From: Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> Sent: 17 December 2018 12:18 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: David N Adams <davidnadams@ntlworld.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Another useful source? Hi: The addition I’ve made to GENUKI/Devon’s Court Records page is: A selection of mainly 19th century (British) newspaper reports of Devon court cases(link is external)<http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/colonial_cases/less_developed/coronial_inquests/england/devon/>, published by the Centre for Comparative Law, History and Governance at Macquarie Law School, Macquarie University, Sydney, Australia. Cheers Brian Randell On 17 Dec 2018, at 09:49, David N Adams via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com>> wrote: This was posted on another site http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/colonial_cases/less_developed/coronial_inquests/england --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi: The addition I’ve made to GENUKI/Devon’s Court Records page is: A selection of mainly 19th century (British) newspaper reports of Devon court cases(link is external)<http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/colonial_cases/less_developed/coronial_inquests/england/devon/>, published by the Centre for Comparative Law, History and Governance at Macquarie Law School, Macquarie University, Sydney, Australia. Cheers Brian Randell On 17 Dec 2018, at 09:49, David N Adams via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com>> wrote: This was posted on another site http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/colonial_cases/less_developed/coronial_inquests/england --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hmm. I was 99% Europe, of which 88% was southwest England, and I had smidgens of Ireland and Scandinavia in there. Now I am 100% England, Wales and Northwestern Europe - and the England part is Devon and Cornwall! Fancy that! I'm from Devon! *deep sarcasm* I suppose it's marginally better than being told my great-grandmother (born Cornwall, married Cornwall, died Cornwall) was from Africa, which is what they originally said... Ros Haywood ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mike Rendle" <northdevonrendle@outlook.com> To: "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16/12/2018 23:19:45 Subject: [DEV] Re: DNA ~~~ >The following is from Ancestry’s FAQ which explains why ethnicity estimates have changed. > >Best regards > >Mike Rendle >How could my estimate change over time? > >Your ethnicity estimate is based on the data we have and the methods we use to compare your results to that data. Because we're always collecting more data and our methods are constantly improving, your estimate may change over time. > >What might change? > >Your percentages for a region could change. Some new regions could appear. Some old regions, especially low-percentage regions, could disappear. Or you might not see much change at all. > >You could see new regions. > >When AncestryDNA launched in 2012, we compared your DNA against 22 possible regions. We now have more than 380. > >You could see old regions turn into new ones. > >For example, instead of one Iberian Peninsula region, we now have separate regions for Spain, Portugal, and Basque. And our Asia East region has been replaced by China, Korea and Northern Asia, Japan, Southeast Asia—Dai (Tai), Southeast Asia—Vietnam, and Philippines. > >You could see new percentages—higher or lower. > >Not only have new data and new methods enabled AncestryDNA to identify new regions, they have also improved our ability to determine how likely it is you belong to a region. These improvements mean that your percentages for a region could go up or down. > >You could see regions drop off your estimate. > >Because what AncestryDNA knows about the relationships between regions and DNA has improved, some regions may disappear from your estimate. This may be particularly true of regions that included 0% in the possible range on your earlier estimate. > >Sent from my iPad > >On 16 Dec 2018, at 23:05, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk<mailto:mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk>> wrote: > >Hi Joy & All, > > "We have updated your DNA results, do you want to see the updated >version? > >Yes, you're not the only one to get completely different results after this >message. I know someone who had the same experience. All I can assume is >that Ancestry got things completely wrong first time around. Whether they >have now got it "right", or even "more righter than before", who knows ? >They should repeat the advertisements that showed people smiling when they >received their first ethnicity results, except this time they should show >them rolling on the floor laughing when they get the updated ethnicity >results ;-) > >Best wishes > >Mike Gould > >_______________________________________________ >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

This was posted on another site http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/colonial_cases/less_developed/coronial_inquests/england --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

The following is from Ancestry’s FAQ which explains why ethnicity estimates have changed. Best regards Mike Rendle How could my estimate change over time? Your ethnicity estimate is based on the data we have and the methods we use to compare your results to that data. Because we're always collecting more data and our methods are constantly improving, your estimate may change over time. What might change? Your percentages for a region could change. Some new regions could appear. Some old regions, especially low-percentage regions, could disappear. Or you might not see much change at all. You could see new regions. When AncestryDNA launched in 2012, we compared your DNA against 22 possible regions. We now have more than 380. You could see old regions turn into new ones. For example, instead of one Iberian Peninsula region, we now have separate regions for Spain, Portugal, and Basque. And our Asia East region has been replaced by China, Korea and Northern Asia, Japan, Southeast Asia—Dai (Tai), Southeast Asia—Vietnam, and Philippines. You could see new percentages—higher or lower. Not only have new data and new methods enabled AncestryDNA to identify new regions, they have also improved our ability to determine how likely it is you belong to a region. These improvements mean that your percentages for a region could go up or down. You could see regions drop off your estimate. Because what AncestryDNA knows about the relationships between regions and DNA has improved, some regions may disappear from your estimate. This may be particularly true of regions that included 0% in the possible range on your earlier estimate. Sent from my iPad On 16 Dec 2018, at 23:05, Mike Gould <mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk<mailto:mike.gould@ndirect.co.uk>> wrote: Hi Joy & All, "We have updated your DNA results, do you want to see the updated version? Yes, you're not the only one to get completely different results after this message. I know someone who had the same experience. All I can assume is that Ancestry got things completely wrong first time around. Whether they have now got it "right", or even "more righter than before", who knows ? They should repeat the advertisements that showed people smiling when they received their first ethnicity results, except this time they should show them rolling on the floor laughing when they get the updated ethnicity results ;-) Best wishes Mike Gould

Hi Joy & All, > "We have updated your DNA results, do you want to see the updated version? Yes, you're not the only one to get completely different results after this message. I know someone who had the same experience. All I can assume is that Ancestry got things completely wrong first time around. Whether they have now got it "right", or even "more righter than before", who knows ? They should repeat the advertisements that showed people smiling when they received their first ethnicity results, except this time they should show them rolling on the floor laughing when they get the updated ethnicity results ;-) Best wishes Mike Gould -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] Sent: 16 December 2018 20:49 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Joy Langdon Subject: [DEV] Re: DNA ~~~ Just be aware that the testing done by scientific studies like this are much more complex than those done by commercial organisations and they use carefully selected participants whose ancestors have not moved outside the areas being studied for generations. DNA inheritance is a lottery and you don't inherit DNA from all of your ancestors. Each one of us inherits half our DNA from our mother and half from our father. This is random so siblings haven't inherited the identical subset of their parents DNA unless they are identical twins. Over time the DNA from some of our ancestors will vanish competely. This exhibition at Oxford University's Museum of Natural History explains this: http://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/settlers/ As an example of how random the DNA distribution is after a few generations, I matched with two descendants of my great grandfather's sister who emigrated in the 1880s. They are first cousins but one is an "extremely high confidence 4-6 generation" match and the other is a "moderate confidence 5-8 generaton" match. I have to say I treat the commercial genealogical DNA ethnic origin tests with scepticism. I have read articles by scientists who consider them questionable and people who have taken the commercial tests with different companies report different results from each. Also, if you took the Ancestry DNA test more than a year ago and haven't checked for updates to the results I suggest you go in and do so. I took the Ancestry test last year and got the results on Christmas Eve. I was astonished to find that I was 34% Europe West, 33% Scandinavia, 13% Ireland and Scotland, 11% England, Wales and NW Europe, 8% Iberian Peninsula, 1% Europe South and 1% Europe East. There were also traces of Native American and Polynesian. A few months later I was telling this to a family member and went in to the DNA results to check the exact percentages when up popped a question "We have updated your DNA results, do you want to see the updated version? Obviously, I ticked yes, expecting a few percentage shift here and there but I now have the results 92% England, Wales and NW Europe (specifically Devon and Cornwall), 5% Ireland and Scotland and 3% France so make of that what you will. At least these results do correpond more closely with what I see in my family tree ( except for the French) but I still think the Ireland and Scotland percentages are wrong as that is half my mother's ancestry but maybe the DNA I inherited from her came mostly from the half she inherited from her English father and if my siblings took the test they might have a higher Scottish percentage. I still check for updates regularly, can't wait to see what my DNA ethnic origin will be next! Joy ----Original message---- From : liverpud-49@rogers.com Date : 15/12/2018 - 13:17 (GMT) To : Devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] DNA ~~~ An interesting article from The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11483608/The-secret-history-of-Brit ain-is-written-in-our-genes.html Edna - icy Ottawa _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

You forgot the identical twins who were told they were from completely different ethnic backgrounds based on a DNA tests done at the same time. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Joy Langdon via DEVON [mailto:devon@rootsweb.com] Sent: 16 December 2018 20:49 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Joy Langdon Subject: [DEV] Re: DNA ~~~ Just be aware that the testing done by scientific studies like this are much more complex than those done by commercial organisations and they use carefully selected participants whose ancestors have not moved outside the areas being studied for generations. DNA inheritance is a lottery and you don't inherit DNA from all of your ancestors. Each one of us inherits half our DNA from our mother and half from our father. This is random so siblings haven't inherited the identical subset of their parents DNA unless they are identical twins. Over time the DNA from some of our ancestors will vanish competely. This exhibition at Oxford University's Museum of Natural History explains this: http://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/settlers/ As an example of how random the DNA distribution is after a few generations, I matched with two descendants of my great grandfather's sister who emigrated in the 1880s. They are first cousins but one is an "extremely high confidence 4-6 generation" match and the other is a "moderate confidence 5-8 generaton" match. I have to say I treat the commercial genealogical DNA ethnic origin tests with scepticism. I have read articles by scientists who consider them questionable and people who have taken the commercial tests with different companies report different results from each. Also, if you took the Ancestry DNA test more than a year ago and haven't checked for updates to the results I suggest you go in and do so. I took the Ancestry test last year and got the results on Christmas Eve. I was astonished to find that I was 34% Europe West, 33% Scandinavia, 13% Ireland and Scotland, 11% England, Wales and NW Europe, 8% Iberian Peninsula, 1% Europe South and 1% Europe East. There were also traces of Native American and Polynesian. A few months later I was telling this to a family member and went in to the DNA results to check the exact percentages when up popped a question "We have updated your DNA results, do you want to see the updated version? Obviously, I ticked yes, expecting a few percentage shift here and there but I now have the results 92% England, Wales and NW Europe (specifically Devon and Cornwall), 5% Ireland and Scotland and 3% France so make of that what you will. At least these results do correpond more closely with what I see in my family tree ( except for the French) but I still think the Ireland and Scotland percentages are wrong as that is half my mother's ancestry but maybe the DNA I inherited from her came mostly from the half she inherited from her English father and if my siblings took the test they might have a higher Scottish percentage. I still check for updates regularly, can't wait to see what my DNA ethnic origin will be next! Joy ----Original message---- From : liverpud-49@rogers.com Date : 15/12/2018 - 13:17 (GMT) To : Devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] DNA ~~~ An interesting article from The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11483608/The-secret-history-of-Britain-is-written-in-our-genes.html Edna - icy Ottawa _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Just be aware that the testing done by scientific studies like this are much more complex than those done by commercial organisations and they use carefully selected participants whose ancestors have not moved outside the areas being studied for generations. DNA inheritance is a lottery and you don't inherit DNA from all of your ancestors. Each one of us inherits half our DNA from our mother and half from our father. This is random so siblings haven't inherited the identical subset of their parents DNA unless they are identical twins. Over time the DNA from some of our ancestors will vanish competely. This exhibition at Oxford University's Museum of Natural History explains this: http://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/settlers/ As an example of how random the DNA distribution is after a few generations, I matched with two descendants of my great grandfather's sister who emigrated in the 1880s. They are first cousins but one is an "extremely high confidence 4-6 generation" match and the other is a "moderate confidence 5-8 generaton" match. I have to say I treat the commercial genealogical DNA ethnic origin tests with scepticism. I have read articles by scientists who consider them questionable and people who have taken the commercial tests with different companies report different results from each. Also, if you took the Ancestry DNA test more than a year ago and haven't checked for updates to the results I suggest you go in and do so. I took the Ancestry test last year and got the results on Christmas Eve. I was astonished to find that I was 34% Europe West, 33% Scandinavia, 13% Ireland and Scotland, 11% England, Wales and NW Europe, 8% Iberian Peninsula, 1% Europe South and 1% Europe East. There were also traces of Native American and Polynesian. A few months later I was telling this to a family member and went in to the DNA results to check the exact percentages when up popped a question "We have updated your DNA results, do you want to see the updated version? Obviously, I ticked yes, expecting a few percentage shift here and there but I now have the results 92% England, Wales and NW Europe (specifically Devon and Cornwall), 5% Ireland and Scotland and 3% France so make of that what you will. At least these results do correpond more closely with what I see in my family tree ( except for the French) but I still think the Ireland and Scotland percentages are wrong as that is half my mother's ancestry but maybe the DNA I inherited from her came mostly from the half she inherited from her English father and if my siblings took the test they might have a higher Scottish percentage. I still check for updates regularly, can't wait to see what my DNA ethnic origin will be next! Joy ----Original message---- From : liverpud-49@rogers.com Date : 15/12/2018 - 13:17 (GMT) To : Devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] DNA ~~~ An interesting article from The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11483608/The-secret-history-of-Britain-is-written-in-our-genes.html Edna - icy Ottawa _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I had my ethnicity checked a few years ago, before Ancestry etc. decided it was a good source of revenue. When I queried the results I was given this answer: "In this test, your STR (Short Tandem Repeat loci in DNA) profile was compared with DNA profiles generated from 5,000 individuals from a number of geographic regions within Europe representing different populations. Using a formula developed to ascertain the population your profile most closely matches, a list was generated that shows range of population fits from most likely to least likely". In essence, where I am most likely to meet a person with the same(ish) STR. Current thinking is that humans emerged from modern Somalia/Ethiopia and spread out across the world. At the time Great Britain was attached to Europe by a land bridge as was Ireland to Great Britain. This is how the original settlers arrived. When the land bridge washed away, new DNA was introduced by traders and invaders. Celts came through Switzerland to Brittany, Wales, Ireland and Scotland probably via Spain, Anglo-Saxons from north Germany to South East England and Norsemen/Vikings from Scandinavia to Ireland, Scotland and Northumbria.. The Romans are a bit of an unknown quantity. As legions were recruited from across the Empire which included North Africa and what is now Western Europe. The last major invaders were the Normans who themselves were "Norsemen" with the Nordic STR. After this the DNA pool remained fairly static until the 1950s. In between there were two major vents that impacted the distribution of DNA. The first was the Black Death which arrived in Britain around 1345. The population fell to somewhere between 1 and 2 million and from this point onwards almost the whole population has DNA in common. The second was the Industrial revolution which moved the population from rural areas to, in particular, the new industrial areas of the North-East and North-West. It's no surprise that were have a little bit of DNA from everywhere. It's worth remembering that DNA testing, just like fingerprints, requires two or more sources to compare. For ethnicity one source is our own DNA, the other is a sample from places across the world. The analysis just counts the number of "hits", Google style and ranks them. This is completely different from comparing two individuals to confirm if they are related. Ethnicity tests really only lists the places where you can walk into a pub and there is a small chance that you and one of the other customers have a small chance of having the same strand of DNA. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Edna Marlow [mailto:liverpud-49@rogers.com] Sent: 15 December 2018 13:18 To: Devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] DNA ~~~ An interesting article from The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11483608/The-secret-history-of-Britain-is-written-in-our-genes.html Edna - icy Ottawa _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you Jane Very interesting, especially the Devon section. Regards Bev also The page from http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/nsw/cases/moreton_bay/ -------------------------------------------------- > Someone on the Lancashire list kindly shared this link and it was > suggested we share it with others. > > http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/colonial_cases/less_developed/coronial_inquests/england/lancashire/ > > Jane Lucas

Hi Jane Thanks for posting this. I’ve used it to find the Devon section which I’ll into GENUKI/Devon. Cheers Brian Randell Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Dec 2018, at 17:49, Jane Lucas via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Someone on the Lancashire list kindly shared this link and it was suggested we share it with others. > > http://www.law.mq.edu.au/research/colonial_case_law/colonial_cases/less_developed/coronial_inquests/england/lancashire/ > > Jane Lucas > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community