Hi Paul: On 17 Nov 2013, at 17:35, Paul Hockie <paul.hockie@talk21.com> wrote: > Jon, > > Familysearch is now organised by Collections > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list and not by film. Most > parishes are lumped together under England on the assumption that most will > be searching by name and/or place. Each collection has a guide on how to > use the collection and there are also some collections that are images only, > including Devon for St Giles on the Heath and Werrington. The Devon > Records that have the images on Findmypast are also a separate collection. > The link above shows when the record was last updated. > > Cheers > > Paul Thanks for this. I find they currently have just two Devon-related collections: England, Cornwall and Devon Parish Registers, 1538-2010 and England, Devon, Parish Registers, 1538-1912 The first of these has just two Devon parishes, the second is the big West Devon collection now on FindMyPast. I've tried searching this latter collection, but can't get the facility for restricting searches to a particular parish to work. For example a search on Whitefield returns 885 results whether or not you specify, for example, Plymouth as the place of birth, marriage or death. And in fact all these events just name Devon as the place where the given birth, marriage or death took place. I've investigated the various Help facilities to no avail. However I did find the statement "This collection contains baptisms, marriages, and burials from parishes in West Devon. This collection was done in cooperation with FindMyPast, and a full version of the index can be found at www.findmypast.co.uk." Is this a subtle way of saying that to look within a particular parish, go to FindMyPast? Can you throw any light on this? Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Answered off list as it is not Devon related. Still not the Sarah I need though. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:16 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search > The Collection you want is titled > England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 > > I can find > > Sarah Rogers christening: 4 June 1775 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND > father:Saml Rogers > Sarah Rogers christening: 17 September 1738 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND > father:Samuel Rogers > Sarah Rogers christening: 27 September 1767 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND > father:Saml Rogers > > And if you know the batch number as from Hugh Wallis site you can > restrict the results to just that batch > So everything is still there, just need to know how to search. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS (13926) > > On 17/11/2013 20:50, B. Edmonds wrote: >> Well, I do not think much of these collections. For instance under the >> following, I get none of my names, yet I know that the old site has them. >> [See below] So this must be a new collection that does not include the >> old. >> >> In fact yesterday [not related to this list but will mention it just the >> same] I was looking for the children of Samuel ROGERS, Bisley in Glos. >> I can find 5 children, but not Sarah [she is named in a Will so I know >> she >> is born]. In fact her baptism is on my old IGI fiche but try as I might I >> could not find her, I tried, Bisley only as place name, then >> Gloucestershire >> only, even trying England only as place name. Maybe some clever person on >> this list can find her for me, it is annoying me that my search >> techniques >> are not up to scratch: ) Bev >> >> United Kingdom (4) >> >> Great Britain Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988 69,278 02 Mar 2013 >> Great Britain Marriages, 1797-1988 11,115 02 Mar 2013 >> Great Britain, Births and Baptisms, 1571-1977 21,550 21 Aug 2012 >> United Kingdom, Maritime Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1787-1933 42,183 >> 13 >> Sep 2012 >> >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3222/6343 - Release Date: 11/17/13 >

Well, I do not think much of these collections. For instance under the following, I get none of my names, yet I know that the old site has them. [See below] So this must be a new collection that does not include the old. In fact yesterday [not related to this list but will mention it just the same] I was looking for the children of Samuel ROGERS, Bisley in Glos. I can find 5 children, but not Sarah [she is named in a Will so I know she is born]. In fact her baptism is on my old IGI fiche but try as I might I could not find her, I tried, Bisley only as place name, then Gloucestershire only, even trying England only as place name. Maybe some clever person on this list can find her for me, it is annoying me that my search techniques are not up to scratch: ) Bev United Kingdom (4) Great Britain Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988 69,278 02 Mar 2013 Great Britain Marriages, 1797-1988 11,115 02 Mar 2013 Great Britain, Births and Baptisms, 1571-1977 21,550 21 Aug 2012 United Kingdom, Maritime Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1787-1933 42,183 13 Sep 2012 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hockie" <paul.hockie@talk21.com> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:35 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: "'DEVON-L'" <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search > Jon, > > Familysearch is now organised by Collections > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list and not by film. Most > parishes are lumped together under England on the assumption that most > will > be searching by name and/or place. Each collection has a guide on how to > use the collection and there are also some collections that are images > only, > including Devon for St Giles on the Heath and Werrington. The Devon > Records that have the images on Findmypast are also a separate collection. > The link above shows when the record was last updated. > > Cheers > > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Jonathan Frayne > Sent: 15 November 2013 16:05 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Cc: 'DEVON-L' > Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search > > Hi Paul > > That's really helpful and I shall certainly use it. What I was also > interested in knowing was if the coverage of parishes in Family Search had > increased since the IGI became defunct and indeed if Hugh Wallis had > managed > to get the batch numbers for all the parish registers that were covered > back > then. The latter point is of course overtaken by your explanation. Still > not > sure which parishes registers are covered by Family Search. > > Mike- that link you posted is eerie-and I am sure well off topic! > > TX > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Paul Hockie > Sent: 13 November 2013 16:59 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Cc: 'DEVON-L' > Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search > > Much as I appreciate the work of the Hugh Wallis and the Archer Software, > I > have found that the new version of Familysearch has a much improved search > engine and have stopped searching on film number. For example if you enter > Halberton into the "Any Place" field and tick the box there are 28550 > hits. > Searching for Halberton in Birthplace gives 19502 hits. These hits can be > filtered by using names, relationships, location and date above the > "search" button and further filtered below. This includes filtering on the > collection which showed, amongst others, 10 persons from Halberton who had > crossed the border from Canada to the USA. Playing around with the filters > can produce a wealth of options. The search engine also now allows "*" as > a > wild card. It really is very flexible. > > If you want to find out what is available on microfilm then I suggest > using > the London FHC online catalogue http://www.londonfhc.org/ . I find it > easier > to use. > > Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Randell > Sent: 13 November 2013 15:23 > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Cc: DEVON-L; Brian Randell > Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search > > Hi Edna: > > I've had links to both the Hugh Wallis and the Archer Software sites in > GENUKI/Devon/Church Records for some years - however, in the light of > recent > comments about their relative merits I've rewritten my text about them, so > that it now says: > > Note: Though the LDS have not been able to get permission to film or > transcribe the original registers, a good number, but far from all, of the > Devon parish registers and Bishops Transcripts have had "batches" of their > baptisms and marriages extracted (in the main from transcripts in the > possession of the Devon & Cornwall Record Society) into the IGI. In > addition, the great majority of extant Nonconformist registers have had > their entries extracted into the IGI, which is now available online as > part > of the LDS Family Search web site. Note that a very useful means of doing > surname searches of this website is now provided by the Devon section of > FamilySearch: A Guide to the British Batches, by Archer Software. (This > largely supersedes Hugh Wallis's IGI Batch Number pages for Devon (A-M) > and > Devon (N-Z).) > > Cheers > > Brian > > > On 13 Nov 2013, at 14:37, liverpud <liverpud-49@rogers.com> > wrote: > >> Jon, >> >> I find the FamilySearch remake somewhat confusing and have been using >> this site. >> >> http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-batch.htm >> >> Take a look... >> >> Edna - Ottawa >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathan Frayne >> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:18 AM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Family search >> >> I have been using Hugh Wallis' IGI batch numbers >> (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatch >> Number s.htm to go through Family Search parish by parish for Fraynes. >> It occurs to me that I am assuming that if a parish isn't covered on >> his site there is no coverage in Family Search. Is this correct and >> can anyone tell me how to check coverage by parish of Family Search >> directly (if that is possible)? My apologies in advance if this is >> hoary old question; I suspect it might be! >> >> >> >> Jon Frayne >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 > 7RU > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 > URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3222/6341 - Release Date: 11/16/13 >

Hi Paul Ok got that and what a bunch of rabbits; 237,000 Fraynes! I may be some time! I shall have to work through how this works and use the filters and guidelines accordingly. It may be some time before I get to the image only files! Many thanks for the advice. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hockie Sent: 17 November 2013 17:35 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: 'DEVON-L' Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Jon, Familysearch is now organised by Collections https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list and not by film. Most parishes are lumped together under England on the assumption that most will be searching by name and/or place. Each collection has a guide on how to use the collection and there are also some collections that are images only, including Devon for St Giles on the Heath and Werrington. The Devon Records that have the images on Findmypast are also a separate collection. The link above shows when the record was last updated. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Frayne Sent: 15 November 2013 16:05 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: 'DEVON-L' Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Hi Paul That's really helpful and I shall certainly use it. What I was also interested in knowing was if the coverage of parishes in Family Search had increased since the IGI became defunct and indeed if Hugh Wallis had managed to get the batch numbers for all the parish registers that were covered back then. The latter point is of course overtaken by your explanation. Still not sure which parishes registers are covered by Family Search. Mike- that link you posted is eerie-and I am sure well off topic! TX Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hockie Sent: 13 November 2013 16:59 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: 'DEVON-L' Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Much as I appreciate the work of the Hugh Wallis and the Archer Software, I have found that the new version of Familysearch has a much improved search engine and have stopped searching on film number. For example if you enter Halberton into the "Any Place" field and tick the box there are 28550 hits. Searching for Halberton in Birthplace gives 19502 hits. These hits can be filtered by using names, relationships, location and date above the "search" button and further filtered below. This includes filtering on the collection which showed, amongst others, 10 persons from Halberton who had crossed the border from Canada to the USA. Playing around with the filters can produce a wealth of options. The search engine also now allows "*" as a wild card. It really is very flexible. If you want to find out what is available on microfilm then I suggest using the London FHC online catalogue http://www.londonfhc.org/ . I find it easier to use. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Randell Sent: 13 November 2013 15:23 To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: DEVON-L; Brian Randell Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Hi Edna: I've had links to both the Hugh Wallis and the Archer Software sites in GENUKI/Devon/Church Records for some years - however, in the light of recent comments about their relative merits I've rewritten my text about them, so that it now says: Note: Though the LDS have not been able to get permission to film or transcribe the original registers, a good number, but far from all, of the Devon parish registers and Bishops Transcripts have had "batches" of their baptisms and marriages extracted (in the main from transcripts in the possession of the Devon & Cornwall Record Society) into the IGI. In addition, the great majority of extant Nonconformist registers have had their entries extracted into the IGI, which is now available online as part of the LDS Family Search web site. Note that a very useful means of doing surname searches of this website is now provided by the Devon section of FamilySearch: A Guide to the British Batches, by Archer Software. (This largely supersedes Hugh Wallis's IGI Batch Number pages for Devon (A-M) and Devon (N-Z).) Cheers Brian On 13 Nov 2013, at 14:37, liverpud <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > Jon, > > I find the FamilySearch remake somewhat confusing and have been using > this site. > > http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-batch.htm > > Take a look... > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Frayne > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:18 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Family search > > I have been using Hugh Wallis' IGI batch numbers > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatch > Number s.htm to go through Family Search parish by parish for Fraynes. > It occurs to me that I am assuming that if a parish isn't covered on > his site there is no coverage in Family Search. Is this correct and > can anyone tell me how to check coverage by parish of Family Search > directly (if that is possible)? My apologies in advance if this is > hoary old question; I suspect it might be! > > > > Jon Frayne > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snipped>> The Collection you want is titled England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 <<snipped>> One thing I find with FamilySearch is that it pays NOT to use "Match All Terms Exactly". This is exactly contrary to my advice about Ancestry!!! In the case of "Samuel", if you were to use exact-match on that, it would ignore "Saml". But I do use exact match on some individual items - such as the birthplace (say) and range-for-birth-year. Having said that, I only match at the county level, as LDS place indexing can be strange with a lack of clarity whether the place indexed is the residence or the church. In searching for (say) "Sarah Rogers", I would leave exact-matching OFF to allow for Sara and Rodgers. While this allows all sorts of odd names to creep in, the FamilySearch software seems to push the odd names further down the results list than Ancestry does, making it easy to disregard them. Adrian B

If you click through to the detail you will see a field Indexing Project (Batch) Number: This is the old film number. If you click this it will rerun the search with the film number field completed. However some parishes are spread across films and by completing and ticking  the <any> field you will get all entries for the parish including births, marriages, deaths and census. Paul ________________________________ From: Tim Treeby (Genealogy) <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 17 November 2013, 21:16 Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search The Collection you want is titled England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 I can find Sarah Rogers  christening:  4 June 1775 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND  father:Saml Rogers Sarah Rogers  christening: 17 September 1738 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND  father:Samuel Rogers Sarah Rogers  christening: 27 September 1767 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND  father:Saml Rogers And if you know the batch number as from Hugh Wallis site you can restrict the results to just that batch So everything is still there, just need to know how to search. Tim Treeby DFHS (13926) On 17/11/2013 20:50, B. Edmonds wrote: > Well, I do not think much of these collections. For instance under the > following, I get none of my names, yet I know that the old site has them. > [See below] So this must be a new collection that does not include the old. > > In fact yesterday [not related to this list but will mention it just the > same] I was looking for the children of Samuel ROGERS, Bisley in Glos. > I can find 5 children, but not Sarah [she is named in a Will so I know she > is born]. In fact her baptism is on my old IGI fiche but try as I might I > could not find her, I tried, Bisley only as place name, then Gloucestershire > only, even trying England only as place name. Maybe some clever person on > this list can find her for me, it is annoying me that my search techniques > are not up to scratch: ) Bev > > United Kingdom (4) > > Great Britain Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988    69,278    02 Mar 2013 > Great Britain Marriages, 1797-1988    11,115    02 Mar 2013 > Great Britain, Births and Baptisms, 1571-1977    21,550    21 Aug 2012 > United Kingdom, Maritime Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1787-1933    42,183    13 > Sep 2012 > > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Collection you want is titled England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 I can find Sarah Rogers christening: 4 June 1775 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND father:Saml Rogers Sarah Rogers christening: 17 September 1738 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND father:Samuel Rogers Sarah Rogers christening: 27 September 1767 BISLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND father:Saml Rogers And if you know the batch number as from Hugh Wallis site you can restrict the results to just that batch So everything is still there, just need to know how to search. Tim Treeby DFHS (13926) On 17/11/2013 20:50, B. Edmonds wrote: > Well, I do not think much of these collections. For instance under the > following, I get none of my names, yet I know that the old site has them. > [See below] So this must be a new collection that does not include the old. > > In fact yesterday [not related to this list but will mention it just the > same] I was looking for the children of Samuel ROGERS, Bisley in Glos. > I can find 5 children, but not Sarah [she is named in a Will so I know she > is born]. In fact her baptism is on my old IGI fiche but try as I might I > could not find her, I tried, Bisley only as place name, then Gloucestershire > only, even trying England only as place name. Maybe some clever person on > this list can find her for me, it is annoying me that my search techniques > are not up to scratch: ) Bev > > United Kingdom (4) > > Great Britain Deaths and Burials, 1778-1988 69,278 02 Mar 2013 > Great Britain Marriages, 1797-1988 11,115 02 Mar 2013 > Great Britain, Births and Baptisms, 1571-1977 21,550 21 Aug 2012 > United Kingdom, Maritime Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1787-1933 42,183 13 > Sep 2012 > >

Jon, Familysearch is now organised by Collections https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list and not by film. Most parishes are lumped together under England on the assumption that most will be searching by name and/or place. Each collection has a guide on how to use the collection and there are also some collections that are images only, including Devon for St Giles on the Heath and Werrington. The Devon Records that have the images on Findmypast are also a separate collection. The link above shows when the record was last updated. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Frayne Sent: 15 November 2013 16:05 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: 'DEVON-L' Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Hi Paul That's really helpful and I shall certainly use it. What I was also interested in knowing was if the coverage of parishes in Family Search had increased since the IGI became defunct and indeed if Hugh Wallis had managed to get the batch numbers for all the parish registers that were covered back then. The latter point is of course overtaken by your explanation. Still not sure which parishes registers are covered by Family Search. Mike- that link you posted is eerie-and I am sure well off topic! TX Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hockie Sent: 13 November 2013 16:59 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: 'DEVON-L' Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Much as I appreciate the work of the Hugh Wallis and the Archer Software, I have found that the new version of Familysearch has a much improved search engine and have stopped searching on film number. For example if you enter Halberton into the "Any Place" field and tick the box there are 28550 hits. Searching for Halberton in Birthplace gives 19502 hits. These hits can be filtered by using names, relationships, location and date above the "search" button and further filtered below. This includes filtering on the collection which showed, amongst others, 10 persons from Halberton who had crossed the border from Canada to the USA. Playing around with the filters can produce a wealth of options. The search engine also now allows "*" as a wild card. It really is very flexible. If you want to find out what is available on microfilm then I suggest using the London FHC online catalogue http://www.londonfhc.org/ . I find it easier to use. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Randell Sent: 13 November 2013 15:23 To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: DEVON-L; Brian Randell Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Hi Edna: I've had links to both the Hugh Wallis and the Archer Software sites in GENUKI/Devon/Church Records for some years - however, in the light of recent comments about their relative merits I've rewritten my text about them, so that it now says: Note: Though the LDS have not been able to get permission to film or transcribe the original registers, a good number, but far from all, of the Devon parish registers and Bishops Transcripts have had "batches" of their baptisms and marriages extracted (in the main from transcripts in the possession of the Devon & Cornwall Record Society) into the IGI. In addition, the great majority of extant Nonconformist registers have had their entries extracted into the IGI, which is now available online as part of the LDS Family Search web site. Note that a very useful means of doing surname searches of this website is now provided by the Devon section of FamilySearch: A Guide to the British Batches, by Archer Software. (This largely supersedes Hugh Wallis's IGI Batch Number pages for Devon (A-M) and Devon (N-Z).) Cheers Brian On 13 Nov 2013, at 14:37, liverpud <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > Jon, > > I find the FamilySearch remake somewhat confusing and have been using > this site. > > http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-batch.htm > > Take a look... > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Frayne > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:18 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Family search > > I have been using Hugh Wallis' IGI batch numbers > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatch > Number s.htm to go through Family Search parish by parish for Fraynes. > It occurs to me that I am assuming that if a parish isn't covered on > his site there is no coverage in Family Search. Is this correct and > can anyone tell me how to check coverage by parish of Family Search > directly (if that is possible)? My apologies in advance if this is > hoary old question; I suspect it might be! > > > > Jon Frayne > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Terry. I replied before I saw your request. I'm catching up on several days emails and hadn't seen it yet. Should have known better though! Robyn On 16/11/2013 2:28 AM, terryleaman@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > I think this has gone on long enough! If you have anything more to say > do it OFF LIST please. > > Terry > List admin team > >> ----Original > Message---- >> From: brad@fineby.me.uk >> Date: 15/11/2013 11:00 >> To: > <DEVON@rootsweb.com> >> Subj: Re: [DEV] Family search >> >> On Fri, 15 Nov > 2013 04:19:55 -0000 >> <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Hello > Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk, >>> a complete lack of knowledge > doesn't mean your going to become a poor >>> genealogist. >> Of course it > doesn't, and that's not what I said. What I said boils >> down to: "A > bad researcher makes for a bad genealogist." >>> sighting of those > initials. By the way an internet search also came up >>> with LDS Motor > Factors, LDS Group, lds-lovedrugstore.com, and many >>> more. >> And no > doubt several others. In the context of genealogy, it doesn't >> take a > brilliant mind to figure out that two of the ones you mention >> aren't > relevant and the other warrants further investigation before a > >> decision is made. >> >> We encounter acronyms all the time. We have to > decipher them. People >> manage it without too much difficulty. If a > search leaves one unsure, >> *then* ask. Genealogy /is/ a research hobby > when all is said and done. >> We don't define BMD, MI, CMB and a > handful of other acronyms every time >> we use them, so why single out > LDS for special treatment? >> I'm not saying don't help newcomers, but > isn't it better that we teach >> them to fish, rather than just hand them > a fish every time they require >> feeding? >> >> -- >> Regards _ >> > / ) "The blindingly obvious is >> / _)rad never > immediately apparent" >> When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I > mean hideous >> Ugly - The Stranglers >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list > is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/) >> List archive for Devon > can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The first time I refer to any entity in anything I write I name it in full. Subsequent mentions can have initials only. It's just plain good practice, not to mention good manners and consideration for your unknown readers. I remember going to a presentation by one of the most senior archivists in the US, visiting Australia for a conference. She spoke almost entirely in acronyms, with the result that what should have been an absorbing presentation was almost unintelligible. It wasn't a context where we could stop her to ask what she was on about and was consequently a complete waste of time. Smacks of arrogance to me. On 15/11/2013 10:00 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 04:19:55 -0000 > <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk, > >> a complete lack of knowledge doesn't mean your going to become a poor >> genealogist. > Of course it doesn't, and that's not what I said. What I said boils > down to: "A bad researcher makes for a bad genealogist." > >> sighting of those initials. By the way an internet search also came up >> with LDS Motor Factors, LDS Group, lds-lovedrugstore.com, and many >> more. > And no doubt several others. In the context of genealogy, it doesn't > take a brilliant mind to figure out that two of the ones you mention > aren't relevant and the other warrants further investigation before a > decision is made. > > We encounter acronyms all the time. We have to decipher them. People > manage it without too much difficulty. If a search leaves one unsure, > *then* ask. Genealogy /is/ a research hobby when all is said and done. > > We don't define BMD, MI, CMB and a handful of other acronyms every time > we use them, so why single out LDS for special treatment? > > I'm not saying don't help newcomers, but isn't it better that we teach > them to fish, rather than just hand them a fish every time they require > feeding? >

Not sure how many Devon Lister's are subbed to the Cornish-Gen List but the newspapers [Cornish Weekly] are gradually being transcribed by a wonderful band of volunteer's. It is surprising how many Devon names turn up in their papers. I have just been looking through this paper and have found the following:-- The Royal Cornwall Gazette, Falmouth Packet, and General Advertiser (Truro, England), Thursday, January 29, 1858 On the 23rd instant, on board the " Emma ", of Plymouth, Mr. Thomas MARTYN, aged 27 year, a native of Newton St. Cyres. And this marriage At St. Paul's Church, Charlestown, on the 27th inst., by the Rev. G. S. WOOLCOCK, Chas. LANGFORD, Esq., of Plymstock, Devon, to Ellen, fifth daughter of James THOMAS, Esq., of the former place. Regards Bev

If you type in LDS in a google search, the first 2 items are the correct ones Best wishes Jeanette -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk Sent: 15 November 2013 04:20 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search I think your a tad out of order there Brad. I'm considering people who on their first day of research could be totally confused as to what they are doing. Doesn't take long to find out what LDS stands for, but a complete lack of knowledge doesn't mean your going to become a poor genealogist. It means you don't know the answers at that time. I don't suppose that any of us instantly knew what LDS stood for on our first sighting of those initials. By the way an internet search also came up with LDS Motor Factors, LDS Group, lds-lovedrugstore.com, and many more. Regards Terry Blackmore -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:02 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:44:05 -0000 <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Hello Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk, >I notice that the Latter Day Saints is always referred to as LDS. To >anyone new to family research they may have difficulty in relating to >what is LDS. Might one suggest in any text read out the full name be >mentioned somewhere It's not necessary to spell out what LDS is short for. For anyone sufficiently interested, there are ways to find out that doesn't involve being told. Frankly, anybody that *can't* find out what LDS means probably shouldn't have become a genealogist. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" The public gets what the public wants Going Underground - The Jam ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul That's really helpful and I shall certainly use it. What I was also interested in knowing was if the coverage of parishes in Family Search had increased since the IGI became defunct and indeed if Hugh Wallis had managed to get the batch numbers for all the parish registers that were covered back then. The latter point is of course overtaken by your explanation. Still not sure which parishes registers are covered by Family Search. Mike- that link you posted is eerie-and I am sure well off topic! TX Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hockie Sent: 13 November 2013 16:59 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: 'DEVON-L' Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Much as I appreciate the work of the Hugh Wallis and the Archer Software, I have found that the new version of Familysearch has a much improved search engine and have stopped searching on film number. For example if you enter Halberton into the "Any Place" field and tick the box there are 28550 hits. Searching for Halberton in Birthplace gives 19502 hits. These hits can be filtered by using names, relationships, location and date above the "search" button and further filtered below. This includes filtering on the collection which showed, amongst others, 10 persons from Halberton who had crossed the border from Canada to the USA. Playing around with the filters can produce a wealth of options. The search engine also now allows "*" as a wild card. It really is very flexible. If you want to find out what is available on microfilm then I suggest using the London FHC online catalogue http://www.londonfhc.org/ . I find it easier to use. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Randell Sent: 13 November 2013 15:23 To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: DEVON-L; Brian Randell Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Hi Edna: I've had links to both the Hugh Wallis and the Archer Software sites in GENUKI/Devon/Church Records for some years - however, in the light of recent comments about their relative merits I've rewritten my text about them, so that it now says: Note: Though the LDS have not been able to get permission to film or transcribe the original registers, a good number, but far from all, of the Devon parish registers and Bishops Transcripts have had "batches" of their baptisms and marriages extracted (in the main from transcripts in the possession of the Devon & Cornwall Record Society) into the IGI. In addition, the great majority of extant Nonconformist registers have had their entries extracted into the IGI, which is now available online as part of the LDS Family Search web site. Note that a very useful means of doing surname searches of this website is now provided by the Devon section of FamilySearch: A Guide to the British Batches, by Archer Software. (This largely supersedes Hugh Wallis's IGI Batch Number pages for Devon (A-M) and Devon (N-Z).) Cheers Brian On 13 Nov 2013, at 14:37, liverpud <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > Jon, > > I find the FamilySearch remake somewhat confusing and have been using > this site. > > http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-batch.htm > > Take a look... > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Frayne > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:18 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Family search > > I have been using Hugh Wallis' IGI batch numbers > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatch > Number s.htm to go through Family Search parish by parish for Fraynes. > It occurs to me that I am assuming that if a parish isn't covered on > his site there is no coverage in Family Search. Is this correct and > can anyone tell me how to check coverage by parish of Family Search > directly (if that is possible)? My apologies in advance if this is > hoary old question; I suspect it might be! > > > > Jon Frayne > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Terry: Thanks - I have the impression that you sent this off at the same time that I emailed you asking whether such an ADMIN message should now be sent out! :-) (Or was it in response to my question?) Cheers Brian On 15 Nov 2013, at 15:28, "terryleaman@tiscali.co.uk" <terryleaman@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > I think this has gone on long enough! If you have anything more to say > do it OFF LIST please. > > Terry > List admin team > >> ----Original > Message---- >> From: brad@fineby.me.uk >> Date: 15/11/2013 11:00 >> To: > <DEVON@rootsweb.com> >> Subj: Re: [DEV] Family search >> >> On Fri, 15 Nov > 2013 04:19:55 -0000 >> <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Hello > Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk, >> >>> a complete lack of knowledge > doesn't mean your going to become a poor >>> genealogist. >> >> Of course it > doesn't, and that's not what I said. What I said boils >> down to: "A > bad researcher makes for a bad genealogist." >> >>> sighting of those > initials. By the way an internet search also came up >>> with LDS Motor > Factors, LDS Group, lds-lovedrugstore.com, and many >>> more. >> >> And no > doubt several others. In the context of genealogy, it doesn't >> take a > brilliant mind to figure out that two of the ones you mention >> aren't > relevant and the other warrants further investigation before a > >> decision is made. >> >> We encounter acronyms all the time. We have to > decipher them. People >> manage it without too much difficulty. If a > search leaves one unsure, >> *then* ask. Genealogy /is/ a research hobby > when all is said and done. >> >> We don't define BMD, MI, CMB and a > handful of other acronyms every time >> we use them, so why single out > LDS for special treatment? >> >> I'm not saying don't help newcomers, but > isn't it better that we teach >> them to fish, rather than just hand them > a fish every time they require >> feeding? >> >> -- >> Regards _ >> > / ) "The blindingly obvious is >> / _)rad never > immediately apparent" >> When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I > mean hideous >> Ugly - The Stranglers > >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list > is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/) >> List archive for Devon > can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

I think this has gone on long enough! If you have anything more to say do it OFF LIST please. Terry List admin team >----Original Message---- >From: brad@fineby.me.uk >Date: 15/11/2013 11:00 >To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [DEV] Family search > >On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 04:19:55 -0000 ><Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >Hello Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk, > >>a complete lack of knowledge doesn't mean your going to become a poor >>genealogist. > >Of course it doesn't, and that's not what I said. What I said boils >down to: "A bad researcher makes for a bad genealogist." > >>sighting of those initials. By the way an internet search also came up >>with LDS Motor Factors, LDS Group, lds-lovedrugstore.com, and many >>more. > >And no doubt several others. In the context of genealogy, it doesn't >take a brilliant mind to figure out that two of the ones you mention >aren't relevant and the other warrants further investigation before a >decision is made. > >We encounter acronyms all the time. We have to decipher them. People >manage it without too much difficulty. If a search leaves one unsure, >*then* ask. Genealogy /is/ a research hobby when all is said and done. > >We don't define BMD, MI, CMB and a handful of other acronyms every time >we use them, so why single out LDS for special treatment? > >I'm not saying don't help newcomers, but isn't it better that we teach >them to fish, rather than just hand them a fish every time they require >feeding? > >-- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" >When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I mean hideous >Ugly - The Stranglers >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) > and >the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/) >List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I blame Ancestry with their one click away from Adam and Eve advertising. For the last few years I have been an "expert" on the Society of Genealogists stand at the Who Do You Think You Are show. My first question to the customer is "Have you tried anything else other than Ancestry or Findmypast?". The usual answer is along the lines of "is there anything else?". I then recommend buying a book and a visit to the large Familysearch stand that is always present. It's good to see that Devon FHS is offering online courses with membership renewal. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marie McCulloch Sent: 14 November 2013 22:24 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search Technically the correct title is The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints. Alias L.D.S. Alias Mormons. I taught family history but my husband always said I spoke in short hand. So I changed my ways and used the full title and the shortened version of all the references I gave. I.G.I. - International Genealogy Index If in doubt then buy a good reference book. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:44 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search I notice that the Latter Day Saints is always referred to as LDS. To anyone new to family research they may have difficulty in relating to what is LDS. Might one suggest in any text read out the full name be mentioned somewhere in that text. I know I had this difficulty when I first started family research, all those years ago, with what are now to me as normally accepted short cuts. Regards Terry Blackmore ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 04:19:55 -0000 <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Hello Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk, >a complete lack of knowledge doesn't mean your going to become a poor >genealogist. Of course it doesn't, and that's not what I said. What I said boils down to: "A bad researcher makes for a bad genealogist." >sighting of those initials. By the way an internet search also came up >with LDS Motor Factors, LDS Group, lds-lovedrugstore.com, and many >more. And no doubt several others. In the context of genealogy, it doesn't take a brilliant mind to figure out that two of the ones you mention aren't relevant and the other warrants further investigation before a decision is made. We encounter acronyms all the time. We have to decipher them. People manage it without too much difficulty. If a search leaves one unsure, *then* ask. Genealogy /is/ a research hobby when all is said and done. We don't define BMD, MI, CMB and a handful of other acronyms every time we use them, so why single out LDS for special treatment? I'm not saying don't help newcomers, but isn't it better that we teach them to fish, rather than just hand them a fish every time they require feeding? -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I mean hideous Ugly - The Stranglers

Technically the correct title is The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints. Alias L.D.S. Alias Mormons. I taught family history but my husband always said I spoke in short hand. So I changed my ways and used the full title and the shortened version of all the references I gave. I.G.I. - International Genealogy Index If in doubt then buy a good reference book. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:44 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search I notice that the Latter Day Saints is always referred to as LDS. To anyone new to family research they may have difficulty in relating to what is LDS. Might one suggest in any text read out the full name be mentioned somewhere in that text. I know I had this difficulty when I first started family research, all those years ago, with what are now to me as normally accepted short cuts. Regards Terry Blackmore

Terry, thank you for your support for new genealogists. I'm sure there will be many who appreciate your gesture. A little kindness and help goes a long way to encourage them not to give up. No one wants to be made "small" publicly because of knowledge not yet acquired. I used to be a new genealogist and only progressed as well as I did through the amazing help I received and being pointed in the right direction. Because of that I have always helped anyone that I was able to with what knowledge I acquired, if I had the means. I received free so I give freely. Regards. Adale

I think your a tad out of order there Brad. I'm considering people who on their first day of research could be totally confused as to what they are doing. Doesn't take long to find out what LDS stands for, but a complete lack of knowledge doesn't mean your going to become a poor genealogist. It means you don't know the answers at that time. I don't suppose that any of us instantly knew what LDS stood for on our first sighting of those initials. By the way an internet search also came up with LDS Motor Factors, LDS Group, lds-lovedrugstore.com, and many more. Regards Terry Blackmore -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:02 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Family search On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:44:05 -0000 <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Hello Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk, >I notice that the Latter Day Saints is always referred to as LDS. To >anyone new to family research they may have difficulty in relating to >what is LDS. Might one suggest in any text read out the full name be >mentioned somewhere It's not necessary to spell out what LDS is short for. For anyone sufficiently interested, there are ways to find out that doesn't involve being told. Frankly, anybody that *can't* find out what LDS means probably shouldn't have become a genealogist. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" The public gets what the public wants Going Underground - The Jam ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message