Thank you Paul, and everyone else who has so greatly enlightened me! Learning about not just my ancestors, but also the history and customs of the area in general has been so fascinating. Thank you all so much for your willingness to share your knowledge. Sincerely, Blaine On Friday, November 22, 2013 4:19 AM, Paul Hockie <paul.hockie@talk21.com> wrote: Blaine, According to Phillimore's Atlas and Index of Parish Registers the registers for Yealmpton exist from 1600. They are held in the Devon Records Office in Exeter and are in the IGI, the forerunner of Familysearch, and so will be in Family Search, although there is a risk of transcription errors. Although it was possible to delay or avoid baptism it was difficult to marry without a baptism. The parish was also the civil authority and baptism was the equivalent of a US social security number and the basis for local taxes and parish relief. You use the word "Farmer". A farmer leased or owned the land he farmed and was considered minor gentry. It would be difficult to avoid baptism. They leave a trail of wills and land transaction which can often be found by searching http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ , the national index of archives. More likely is he was an Agricultural Labourer. I have found that agricultural labourers moved around the local parishes following the work. This had the effect of replacing aging populations and mixing the gene pool. Many towns villages held annual hiring fairs. Start with the surrounding parishes. Try http://maps.familysearch.org with the Ordnance Survey maps. There was a book but this seems to be out of print. Cheers Paul
Hello Blaine, This Philip might fit the bill. Brixton 5th Oct 1769 was baptised Philip the son of Philip SAUNDERS Plymstock Philip SAUNDERS married 1 Jun 1792 Damaris Watts WOODMAN Philip SAUNDERS married 12 May 1761 to Ann LANG [N] There might be something in those Notes, so you need to look at this marriage entry , the Devon Record Office will send you a copy of this entry for a small fee. Holbeton Phillip SANDERS married Susannah RANDEL 29 Apr 1800 [with Notes] Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Blaine Sanders" <utvairs@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 1:55 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Finding the impossible > My ggg-grandfather, Philip Sanders (b. 1769, m. Elizabeth Vaie/Vail, > resided in Yealmpton), has a father. Trouble is, my relatives have been > looking for him for decades. I'm still new at geneological research. I've > looked in all the available parish registers for that area that I have > access to, and I'm coming up with nothing. Then it dawned on me this > morning, "what if he was just a simple rural farmer who didn't care much > for religion and never went to church... or even to town for that matter?" > > If that were the case, and he wasn't a member of a parish, he probably > would have been buried on his farm without a headstone. > > My questions are thus: Is it known whether all the extent parish registers > for the Yealmton parish(s?) been transcribed/indexed and searchable? If > so, where can they be searched (besides familysearch.org)? If not > searchable, are there microfiches that can be looked at? If not > microfiches, are there people in the Yealmpton area that are > willing/allowed to search for family names in the actual registers? > > Most geneology resources I come across are far too expensive for me to > make use of. I'm somewhat at a loss as to how to proceed. Any help would > be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Blaine Sanders > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6355 - Release Date: 11/21/13 > >
Not everyone was baptised in the past. I've often seen people being baptised just before they were married. As well as family job lots where three or four children were baptised on the same day. Or the parents were just plain lazy and never bothered. Bearing in mind also that some church Parish Registers were destroyed or proper records not kept. Not finding a baptism could be for any reason you could possibly think of. I would suggest the only sure way to find a missing baptism is sitting in the Exeter Family History Centre and comb through the local village Parish Registers systematically. Takes time, but it often worth while if the baptism exists. Then not everyone is able to visit Exeter. -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:41 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Finding the impossible <<snipped>> "what if he was just a simple rural farmer who didn't care much for religion and never went to church... or even to town for that matter?" If that were the case, and he wasn't a member of a parish, he probably would have been buried on his farm without a headstone. <<snipped>> I'm not 100% clear on all the various laws, but I'm fairly certain that burial in unconsecrated ground on a farm in England, in the 1700s/1800s, would be illegal. It's much more likely that your 3G-GF is an incomer so his baptism (and it is not certain there would have been one) took place elsewhere - possibly where his own father was buried, although again, nothing is certain until you find it for certain. You are right to start with Yealmpton and work outwards, as it were. Adrian B ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This is for Susan Young. Sorry Susan I don't have your email. But it is a significant emerging issue that the entire EU is taking on in especially after the NSA spy scandal. Scott http://www.mondaq.com/x/274428/data+protection/Court+Ruling+Reinforces+The+Right+To+Be+Forgotten+On+Social+Media+Sites&email_access=on On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Susan Young <zandara@cogeco.ca> wrote: > Hi Scot, > > Would you be good enough to please send me a link (off-list) to the > information to which you are referring. I am the administrator for the > Kent > OPC Project and need to stay on top of changes to privacy rights, etc. in > the EU. > > Your two cents just may be valuable. > > Thanks. > > Sincerely, > Susan D. Young > County Administrator, Kent OPC Project > St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada www.kent-opc.org > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kent-Online-Parish-Clerks/88157182954 > http://twitter.com/KentOPC > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Scott W. Phillips Genealogical Historian Onward To Our Past 3324 LaSalle Trail Duneland Beach, Indiana 46360 Phone (312) 718-1769 *Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/OnwardToOurPast <http://www.facebook.com/OnwardToOurPast>* *Website: http://OnwardToOurPast.com <http://OnwardToOurPast.com>* *Twitter: @OnwardToOurPast*
There is an article on the Exeter City Site about the freedom of the city: http://www.exeter.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3470&listid=9294 It does quote one reference work that should help if you can find a copy: - "Exeter Freemen 1266 - 1967" Edited by Margery M. Rowe Devon and Cornwall Record Society (1973) Anthony Martin Devon On 21 November 2013 22:11, Jane Hope <janehope-2008@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Graham > > If you look at my reply to someone else who has suggested the Exeter > Memories site, you'll see my problem. > > > All the best, > > Jane > > > > From: gjhp@btinternet.com > > To: devon@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:28:40 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [DEV] Exeter people/groups granted freedom of the city > > > > Jane > > > > Post this question on the excellent Exeter Memories website at > > www.exetermemories.co.uk <http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/> > > > > Hopefully someone who has knowledge of Exeter's history will have the > > answer. > > > > Regards > > > > Graham in Silverton > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Jane Hope > > Sent: 21 November 2013 18:59 > > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DEV] Exeter people/groups granted freedom of the city > > > > > > > > Good evening all > > > > > > > > Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I sent an email to > > Exeter City Council asking if there was a list of people/groups who had > > been granted the freedome of the city - on their website there is > mention of > > some groups but not a proper list. I've not heard back from them, so I > > thought I'd ask this list if anyone knows. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > > > and > > > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > > > List archive for Devon can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Graham If you look at my reply to someone else who has suggested the Exeter Memories site, you'll see my problem. All the best, Jane > From: gjhp@btinternet.com > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:28:40 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Exeter people/groups granted freedom of the city > > Jane > > Post this question on the excellent Exeter Memories website at > www.exetermemories.co.uk <http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/> > > Hopefully someone who has knowledge of Exeter's history will have the > answer. > > Regards > > Graham in Silverton > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Jane Hope > Sent: 21 November 2013 18:59 > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Exeter people/groups granted freedom of the city > > > > Good evening all > > > > Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I sent an email to > Exeter City Council asking if there was a list of people/groups who had > been granted the freedome of the city - on their website there is mention of > some groups but not a proper list. I've not heard back from them, so I > thought I'd ask this list if anyone knows. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Jane > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you Julie, I actually am part of the Exeter Memories group and have contributed on the Exeter Memories Website. It was from a conversation we were having on the Facebook site the other day, I'd remembered my mother saying that Archie our bus conductor had been awarded the Freedom of the City along with some other people for something they did in the war. Couldn't find anything on line though. Thanks any way. All the best, Jane > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:58:40 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Exeter people/groups granted freedom of the city > From: juliegoucher@gmail.com > To: janehope-2008@hotmail.co.uk; devon@rootsweb.com > > Jane, > > You could look at http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/ > > http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/em/exetersmayors.php > > They also have a facebook group which is fairly active > > -- > Regards, > > Julie Goucher > www.anglersrest.net > www.anglers-rest.net > > > On 21 November 2013 18:58, Jane Hope <janehope-2008@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > Good evening all > > > > Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I sent an email to Exeter City Council asking if there was a list of people/groups who had been granted the freedome of the city - on their website there is mention of some groups but not a proper list. I've not heard back from them, so I thought I'd ask this list if anyone knows. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Jane > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jane, You could look at http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/ http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/em/exetersmayors.php They also have a facebook group which is fairly active -- Regards, Julie Goucher www.anglersrest.net www.anglers-rest.net On 21 November 2013 18:58, Jane Hope <janehope-2008@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > Good evening all > > Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I sent an email to Exeter City Council asking if there was a list of people/groups who had been granted the freedome of the city - on their website there is mention of some groups but not a proper list. I've not heard back from them, so I thought I'd ask this list if anyone knows. > > Thanks in advance > > Jane > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I've found other WikiTree users to be extremely helpful Did you ask about your merge problem on G2G? And people shouldn't be able to merge unless you've given them trusted status on a profile. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Susan Young <zandara@cogeco.ca> wrote: > Hi Scot, > > Would you be good enough to please send me a link (off-list) to the > information to which you are referring. I am the administrator for the > Kent > OPC Project and need to stay on top of changes to privacy rights, etc. in > the EU. > > Your two cents just may be valuable. > > Thanks. > > Sincerely, > Susan D. Young > County Administrator, Kent OPC Project > St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada www.kent-opc.org > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kent-Online-Parish-Clerks/88157182954 > http://twitter.com/KentOPC > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dianne Reuby Easter Family Genealogy <http://easter.byethost22.com/> Easter Family Genealogy Blog <http://easterfamilygenealogy.wordpress.com>
<<snipped>> "what if he was just a simple rural farmer who didn't care much for religion and never went to church... or even to town for that matter?" If that were the case, and he wasn't a member of a parish, he probably would have been buried on his farm without a headstone. <<snipped>> I'm not 100% clear on all the various laws, but I'm fairly certain that burial in unconsecrated ground on a farm in England, in the 1700s/1800s, would be illegal. It's much more likely that your 3G-GF is an incomer so his baptism (and it is not certain there would have been one) took place elsewhere - possibly where his own father was buried, although again, nothing is certain until you find it for certain. You are right to start with Yealmpton and work outwards, as it were. Adrian B
Jane Post this question on the excellent Exeter Memories website at www.exetermemories.co.uk <http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/> Hopefully someone who has knowledge of Exeter's history will have the answer. Regards Graham in Silverton -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Hope Sent: 21 November 2013 18:59 To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Exeter people/groups granted freedom of the city Good evening all Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I sent an email to Exeter City Council asking if there was a list of people/groups who had been granted the freedome of the city - on their website there is mention of some groups but not a proper list. I've not heard back from them, so I thought I'd ask this list if anyone knows. Thanks in advance Jane ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Good evening all Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I sent an email to Exeter City Council asking if there was a list of people/groups who had been granted the freedome of the city - on their website there is mention of some groups but not a proper list. I've not heard back from them, so I thought I'd ask this list if anyone knows. Thanks in advance Jane
There is an OPC for Yealmpton who offers free look-ups. Go to http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Yealmpton/index.html and scroll down to Genealogy for details. It looks as though Philip SA(U)NDERS may have been married more than once - firstly to Damaris WATTS, then to a Hannah and finally to Elizabeth ca 1804. Have you looked at the actual marriage record between him and Elizabeth? Where did they marry? (I can't find it) Are there any clues there? Regards, Deborah OBrien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Blaine Sanders Sent: 21 November 2013 15:55 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Finding the impossible My ggg-grandfather, Philip Sanders (b. 1769, m. Elizabeth Vaie/Vail, resided in Yealmpton), has a father. Trouble is, my relatives have been looking for him for decades. I'm still new at geneological research. I've looked in all the available parish registers for that area that I have access to, and I'm coming up with nothing. Then it dawned on me this morning, "what if he was just a simple rural farmer who didn't care much for religion and never went to church... or even to town for that matter?" If that were the case, and he wasn't a member of a parish, he probably would have been buried on his farm without a headstone. My questions are thus: Is it known whether all the extent parish registers for the Yealmton parish(s?) been transcribed/indexed and searchable? If so, where can they be searched (besides familysearch.org)? If not searchable, are there microfiches that can be looked at? If not microfiches, are there people in the Yealmpton area that are willing/allowed to search for family names in the actual registers? Most geneology resources I come across are far too expensive for me to make use of. I'm somewhat at a loss as to how to proceed. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Blaine Sanders ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you Bev! The first Philip you listed as christened 5th Oct 1769 at Brixton is a very likely match to my Philip, in which case his father, Philip likely lived around Brixton. That gives me a name and a lead on location. May I ask from which source(s) you obtained this information? Thank you so much! Blaine On Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:36 PM, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: Hello Blaine, This Philip might fit the bill. Brixton 5th Oct 1769 was baptised Philip the son of Philip SAUNDERS Plymstock Philip SAUNDERS married 1 Jun 1792 Damaris Watts WOODMAN Philip SAUNDERS married 12 May 1761 to Ann LANG [N] There might be something in those Notes, so you need to look at this marriage entry , the Devon Record Office will send you a copy of this entry for a small fee. Holbeton Phillip SANDERS married Susannah RANDEL 29 Apr 1800 [with Notes] Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Blaine Sanders" <utvairs@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 1:55 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Finding the impossible > My ggg-grandfather, Philip Sanders (b. 1769, m. Elizabeth Vaie/Vail, > resided in Yealmpton), has a father. Trouble is, my relatives have been > looking for him for decades. I'm still new at geneological research. I've > looked in all the available parish registers for that area that I have > access to, and I'm coming up with nothing. Then it dawned on me this > morning, "what if he was just a simple rural farmer who didn't care much > for religion and never went to church... or even to town for that matter?" > > If that were the case, and he wasn't a member of a parish, he probably > would have been buried on his farm without a headstone. > > My questions are thus: Is it known whether all the extent parish registers > for the Yealmton parish(s?) been transcribed/indexed and searchable? If > so, where can they be searched (besides familysearch.org)? If not > searchable, are there microfiches that can be looked at? If not > microfiches, are there people in the Yealmpton area that are > willing/allowed to search for family names in the actual registers? > > Most geneology resources I come across are far too expensive for me to > make use of. I'm somewhat at a loss as to how to proceed. Any help would > be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Blaine Sanders > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6355 - Release Date: 11/21/13 > >
Hi Scot, Would you be good enough to please send me a link (off-list) to the information to which you are referring. I am the administrator for the Kent OPC Project and need to stay on top of changes to privacy rights, etc. in the EU. Your two cents just may be valuable. Thanks. Sincerely, Susan D. Young County Administrator, Kent OPC Project St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada www.kent-opc.org http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kent-Online-Parish-Clerks/88157182954 http://twitter.com/KentOPC
Thank you Paul Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <paul.hockie@talk21.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Tollgate in Cullompton A search of A2A (archive to Archive http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ ) gives 7 hits for a search Cullompton and Toll. The most interesting is BOX 175: Turnpike Papers toll houses F.L. 1828-1834 Printed statements of accounts. Miscellaneous turnpike papers 1822 Cullompton trust deeds poll O.B. 1814-1833 Cullompton estate correspondence incl. Turnpike accounts, and plan of new road O.B. 1822-1860 Papers re Ilminster Turnpike These documents are held at: Somerset Archive and Record Service Cheers Paul
I never had a reply from Wikitree other than one saying I didn't enter an email address, since you can't have an account without an email address highly unlikely. They never bothered to reply on the mergine of three generations. -----Original Message----- From: John Ritchings Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:26 PM To: DEVON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] LDS/WikiTree Greetings Terry Thank you for your feedback. Inevitably, such a project is going to have its problems. LDS has been doing a similar thing for many years but without adequate controls. It is only now that it is attempting to address the difficulties thereby caused. I have noticed that nonsense submitted to LDS has been transferred directly on to WikiTree. Did you raise your concerns with those running the WikiTree project? What was the response? Unless we all attempt to address the errors contained on LDS, Ancestry, WikiTree, and other databases these errors will go on being perpetrated. It is an enormous task and will take many years, but that, IMHO, does not mean that we should not try. I would bet that everyone on this list has used the IGI. Well, there is now an opportunity to give something back and help correct the errors and omissions that are in the system. Instead of saying it will not work, make it work. Regards John Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:35:34 -0000 From: <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DEV] LDS Changes To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0974702F52234DF286AAD73BA22A01BB@TerryPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The main problem on Wikitree is people merging several generations into one person. These people who seem to know better than the rest of us lost two generations of my family when they merged three generations of people named John. I also found that their software was not the best in the world. It's difficult at times to delete should you make an error. It also deleted my email address. When I logged in again I had a new profile. Which didn't connect to my family pedigree. It also fail to up load a gedcom file, they request people to up load. Their idea of one vast family tree just isn't going to work in my opinion. It will contain to many errors. Plus you could get one person to wreck it all with false information. On principle I decided not to add any more of my family to this source. Terry Blackmore OPC, Sheldon, Devon. -----Original Message----- From: John Ritchings Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:33 AM To: DEVON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] LDS Changes Greetings There is another development on Family Search which I have found to be useful. I signed up to an account and as much of my research has been aided by LDS, I though that I would give something back and put my tree on-line. However, as you build the tree, it identifies other likely matches on the database. This may be a single entry or a whole tree. The net result is that I am overwhelmed by work to validate the suggested lines. I have tried to tidy up the direct family line by making corrections and appropriate connections, but clearly there is an opportunity here to break down brick walls as you work. My family has also made the decision to place our family history on WikiTree. WikiTree has the advantage over LDS in that it also records genetic genealogy results, giving the opportunity to track ancestors by both paper trails and genes. There are controls to stop duplicates and there is also a code of conduct to which participants must subscribe. Regards John ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
My ggg-grandfather, Philip Sanders (b. 1769, m. Elizabeth Vaie/Vail, resided in Yealmpton), has a father. Trouble is, my relatives have been looking for him for decades. I'm still new at geneological research. I've looked in all the available parish registers for that area that I have access to, and I'm coming up with nothing. Then it dawned on me this morning, "what if he was just a simple rural farmer who didn't care much for religion and never went to church... or even to town for that matter?" If that were the case, and he wasn't a member of a parish, he probably would have been buried on his farm without a headstone. My questions are thus: Is it known whether all the extent parish registers for the Yealmton parish(s?) been transcribed/indexed and searchable? If so, where can they be searched (besides familysearch.org)? If not searchable, are there microfiches that can be looked at? If not microfiches, are there people in the Yealmpton area that are willing/allowed to search for family names in the actual registers? Most geneology resources I come across are far too expensive for me to make use of. I'm somewhat at a loss as to how to proceed. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Blaine Sanders
No "hello"; no please, no thank you; no response! -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gion Tobac Sent: 20 November 2013 21:46 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Garland of Devon Information required on George Garland who was in Dartmouth harbour c1642 preparing for a voyage to the Newfoundland fishery. And of Emeline Garland who was a widow in Newfoundland in 1675. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
A search of A2A (archive to Archive http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ ) gives 7 hits for a search Cullompton and Toll. The most interesting is BOX 175: Turnpike Papers toll houses F.L. 1828-1834 Printed statements of accounts. Miscellaneous turnpike papers 1822 Cullompton trust deeds poll O.B. 1814-1833 Cullompton estate correspondence incl. Turnpike accounts, and plan of new road O.B. 1822-1860 Papers re Ilminster Turnpike These documents are held at: Somerset Archive and Record Service Cheers Paul ________________________________ From: Anne <ewi70878@bigpond.net.au> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013, 5:20 Subject: Re: [DEV] Tollgate in Cullompton Thanks Terry. That was quick again. This is the same Mary Ann who was born in Churchstanton and after her 2nd husband died she took on this job apparently and was living there with one of her grandchildren from Bristol in 1871. It was a big comedown from being a landowner's wife - her first husband - but when he died the property went to his elder brother alone and then her eldest son. Bruce is from the second son of a second son and in those days they missed out usually. Poor Mary Ann had to go out cleaning as a charwoman when she married again to Robert Pearcey as he was an ag lab and often unemployed as well as being quite a lot older than her. I think he was a Pearcey from Broadhembury if you can find a connection to that family. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Tollgate in Cullompton > Hi Anne > > Often with toll collectors there was a toll cottage with the job, if > the family lived there it's most likely that the job of toll collector > remained in the family. Like wise with lock keepers on the water ways > there > was a lock keepers cottage with the job. > Persey or variations of the spelling often turns up in my family > around > the Cullompton area. There are a number of ***** Persey Blackmore's in the > family pedigree. > > Regards Terry Blackmore > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anne > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:00 PM > To: Devon List > Subject: [DEV] Tollgate in Cullompton > > Hello all > > Can anyone who lives in or near Cullompton please tell me if there is any > information on the Tollgate on the Tiverton Road. My husband's 3xggm Mary > Ann Pearcey was the toll collector according to the 1871 census and I > would > be interested in further information on the place. Strangely enough this > is > the second person in his background to do this job. I know they were being > phased out by this time and she wasn't there in 1881. > > Thanks > Anne > DFHS 6314 > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message