Hi EICS is East India Company Service , I would think MS should be HMS Africa . Her Majesty`s Ship !!!. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "mailman59" <mailman59@xtra.co.nz> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] [FIBIS] John HAMLYN of Plymouth > Not all of us are aware of the meaning of the abbreviations that you use. > Please elaborate. I am a descendant of the "Hamblyn" family who emigrated > to > New Zealand in the early 1840['s-1850's. They hail from Holsworthy. > Hamblyn > is one of many variations of Hamlyn, and was adopted by the family about > the > time they landed in New Plymouth, New Zealand. I am always more than happy > to exchange info if you are so inclined. > Regards and happy hunting > Bill Girling. > Sanson. New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 8:38 PM > Subject: [DEV] [FIBIS] John HAMLYN of Plymouth > > >> John HAMLYN of Plymouth of EICS Gardner, but on board the M.S. Africa >> Died: M.S. Africa >> to Elizabeth HOWLETT, formerly HAMLYM [w/o William HOWLETT], the relict >> PCC Admin: 3 Jan 1803 >> >> PROB: 6/179 >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you very much Terry very much appreciated How exciting this was to find - I was stuck and now I am off again sincerely Jill -- Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterbourne Kingston in Dorset, England http://www.opcdorset.org Project - Street Names of the Copper Coast – project Project- Port Adelaide Notes and Pictures of Past People ---- "terryleaman@tiscali.co.uk" <terryleaman@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: ============= >From my database:- born:- 14 January 1851 , baptised:- 02 February 1851 , James Beazley HOLMAN , child of :- John & Harriett of:- New Church Row , fathers occupation:- smith , notes:- , Where:- Tormoham ALSO born:- 24 July 1849 , baptised:- 19 August 1849 , William John Beazeley HOLMAN , child of :- John & Harriet of:- Torquay , fathers occupation:- blacksmith , notes:- , Where:- Tormoham Terry >----Original Message---- >From: genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk >Date: 01/12/2013 2:02 >To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [DEV] BOW in Berry Pomeroy > >I have a convoluted theory which means that your James BOW was actually >James Beazley HOLMAN but I could be wrong. >My reasoning goes like this > >On 1891 Census (St George the Martyr, Soutwark) your James Bow is shown >as being born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. >Also on that census shows a son Arthur born 1874 in Westminster, London. > >On checking the 1881 Census for this Arthur I found in (St George the >Martyr, Southwark) an Arthur Bow, son of William Bow and Jadwiga Bow > (Who's age and place of Birth matches your Mary Bow). >Also on that Census was a James B Holman born 1851 in Torquay and is a >Bricklayers Labourer. > >I believe that William Bow died and James Holman became Head of >Household and was going by the name Bow at least on the Censuses. > >I say this because could not find any Births to match for Florence, >George or James as a Bow, but found a George and a James Holman Births >which match the years given in 1891 and 1901 Census. >Also on 1901 Census James Bow gives his occupation as Shoe Black >Licensed. I have found Baptisms for a George Beazley Holman and a James >Beazley Holman, Father given as James, Mother as Mary and occupation as >Shoe Black. > >Unable to find a Jadwiga Bow on 1891/1901 Census but did find a death >for Jadwiga Mary Bow aged 60 in 1910 - Southwark Vol 1d p 63. >Also struggling to locate James B Holman on any Census after 1881 nor >can i find a marriage or death for him but his Birth is registered in >Newton Abbot District (which covers Torquay) in Q1 1851. >Nor could i seem to find a marrige for Florence (Bow/Holman) to unknown >Shepherd. > >Without getting her Death Certificate and finding out who the informant >was and what the Address was and/or Birth Certificates for George Holman >or James Holman, cannot say for certain my theory is correct. > >Hope this helps rather than hinders. > >Tim Treeby > >DFHS 13926 > >On 30/11/2013 21: 40, Jill wrote: >> Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list >> I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was born in Torquay, Devon. >> The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW and Ann CUMMING - >> I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this James Married some do not have it on their trees at all >> My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 census - can find no marriage entry for them. >> James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. >> He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for >> >> IS this the correct James ? >> was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy to say he was born there? >> What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? >> >> A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member >> >> PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset but I now know this is not him >> >> Thank you in anticipation >> Jill >> on: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6880 - Release Date: 11/30/13 > >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Elizabeth, Mike & Kate, This must be the place mentioned. Just wanted to make sure Moorland was actually in Harberton and not another Parish next door. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 10:58 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] > Hi Bev, given that almost every field is given a name > which > may change as the ownership of the field changes, there is on the 1840 > Tithe map for Harberton a Moorland , owned by the Rev Luscombe tenanted by > Joseph Earl , its 29 acres .. That may not be right , but there are > other > Moor , Blackmoor , Blakemoor also mentioned.plus of course lots of Unnamed > land . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:14 PM > Subject: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] > > >> Morning all, >> >> Harberton PR's >> >> Elizabeth w/o William SMITH of Moreland was buried at Rattery 9 Oct 1696. >> >> Trying to establish where Moreland is? It does not seem to appear in the >> Gazetteer on Genuki. >> >> There is a little hamlet called Moore in Harberton, could it mean that? >> >> Bev >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6381 - Release Date: 11/30/13 >

<<snipped>> Ancestry database entitled Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900 -under the listing of Somerset Volunteers: Trumpeters, Drummers & Privates. ... He's with 23rd Foot Soldiers, 2nd Battalion. Age 17. Military date in 2nd April 1813. ... <<snipped>> Just as an aside, the title of this collection, "Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service", is misleading - on a short look from me. So far as I have seen, the images come from British Army documents at Kew and it appears that whoever did the filming was fairly liberal in their definition of what "Canada" meant. In the 2 regiments I have checked through, both had a Canadian connection. The 1st Battalion of the 23rd, for instance, spent 1838-48 there. The 2nd Battalion was in Canada in the 1860s - in 1813 its last foreign location was Walcheren Island in the Netherlands. The other regiment I checked had a similar story - earlier battalions in Canada years before the data in the Collection. So you can get documents that go nowhere near Canada, simply because another battalion in the same regiment went there at another time. So don't ignore this collection if you have UK soldiers - and note, it's on Ancestry as a *Canadian* collection! Adrian

Moore Farm is in the parish of Harberton, but West and East Moore are just over the border in the parish of South Brent. The 1:25,000 map shows the parish boundary as a dotted line running along the stream. Kate > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of B. Edmonds > Sent: 01 December 2013 20:07 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] > > Thank you Elizabeth, Mike & Kate, > > This must be the place mentioned. Just wanted to make sure Moorland was > actually in Harberton and not another Parish next door. > > > Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 10:58 PM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] > > > Hi Bev, given that almost every field is given a name > > which > > may change as the ownership of the field changes, there is on the > 1840 > > Tithe map for Harberton a Moorland , owned by the Rev Luscombe > tenanted by > > Joseph Earl , its 29 acres .. That may not be right , but there are > > other > > Moor , Blackmoor , Blakemoor also mentioned.plus of course lots of > Unnamed > > land . > > > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:14 PM > > Subject: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] > > > > > >> Morning all, > >> > >> Harberton PR's > >> > >> Elizabeth w/o William SMITH of Moreland was buried at Rattery 9 Oct > 1696. > >> > >> Trying to establish where Moreland is? It does not seem to appear in > the > >> Gazetteer on Genuki. > >> > >> There is a little hamlet called Moore in Harberton, could it mean > that? > >> > >> Bev > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------ > >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > >> and > >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > >> List archive for Devon can be found at > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6381 - Release Date: > 11/30/13 > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean, I found your comments to be most informative. Unfortunately, unless we know where our ancestors were buried, very little information is provided on the death certificates. The ones I have been able to purchase only show basic information and certainly no interment details. So, is this information available somewhere? Regards .. Joyce Sent from my iPad > On Dec 1, 2013, at 8:07 PM, "Jean Harris" <j.egerton@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > Adding to this topic by Terry Blackmore and others, here is a word about the Cemetery records. I have found these are well worth while exploring as there is more to be found in them than in the church burial registers. This of course will relate to the late 1800s when the churchyards could not cope any longer and the Cemetery Act was passed to deal with this problem. > > Some years ago when I visited the Torquay Cemetery to see the grave of my grandparents, I saw that the stone recorded the name of their eldest daughter as being there with them. However, it was not until I went to their office to see the actual record that I found that their eldest son is also interred in the same grave. He is not recorded on their stone and I have no idea as to why his name does not appear there with those of his parents and his sister but there it is. > > Additionally I found that the Cemetery Records have the name of those persons who paid for the grave, digging etc and as this is usually a relative (plus their home address) that is another item not to be found in the Church records. Then (if you really want to know!) it also has the name of the funeral directors who handled all the arrangements for the burials. All in all makes this makes the Cemetery records well worth exploring for all of that additional info. > > Jean Harris in Toronto > > > > > >> On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:18 PM, <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Parish Burial Registers belong to the Church and the cemetery's belong to the local council. So the cemetery will have records of who is buried there, where and when. The Church just the record of when he was buried and maybe the death date. Both can be assessed, though not sure if any local councils put cemetery records on line. One might have to get the records from the cemetery. I did for a return visit to my father's burial plot. It was no where near where I thought it was. The cemetery having changed so much since I was at his funeral. Now a days of course there are death certificates that copies can be applied for from the local Registrar of BMDs. >> >> Terry Blackmore >> OPC, Sheldon, Devon >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Adding to this topic by Terry Blackmore and others, here is a word about the Cemetery records. I have found these are well worth while exploring as there is more to be found in them than in the church burial registers. This of course will relate to the late 1800s when the churchyards could not cope any longer and the Cemetery Act was passed to deal with this problem. Some years ago when I visited the Torquay Cemetery to see the grave of my grandparents, I saw that the stone recorded the name of their eldest daughter as being there with them. However, it was not until I went to their office to see the actual record that I found that their eldest son is also interred in the same grave. He is not recorded on their stone and I have no idea as to why his name does not appear there with those of his parents and his sister but there it is. Additionally I found that the Cemetery Records have the name of those persons who paid for the grave, digging etc and as this is usually a relative (plus their home address) that is another item not to be found in the Church records. Then (if you really want to know!) it also has the name of the funeral directors who handled all the arrangements for the burials. All in all makes this makes the Cemetery records well worth exploring for all of that additional info. Jean Harris in Toronto On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:18 PM, <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Parish Burial Registers belong to the Church and the cemetery's belong to the local council. So the cemetery will have records of who is buried there, where and when. The Church just the record of when he was buried and maybe the death date. Both can be assessed, though not sure if any local councils put cemetery records on line. One might have to get the records from the cemetery. I did for a return visit to my father's burial plot. It was no where near where I thought it was. The cemetery having changed so much since I was at his funeral. Now a days of course there are death certificates that copies can be applied for from the local Registrar of BMDs. > > Terry Blackmore > OPC, Sheldon, Devon > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I had come to the same conclusion by the same reasoning Tim.    Jill, you asked how Tim knew this.  Like Tim, once I found the son Arthur in the earlier census with a different father and a mother with a different first name but second name beginning with M and the same age and birthplace, plus there is a boarder called James Holman in the same household whose occupation the same as James Bow and his age and place of birth is the same as James Bow, I started to question the coincidences.  When added to that there is no birth registration for Florence and the other children in the household but there are other birth registrations for the same first names, right date, right place but with the surname Holman, then it all starts to fall into place.    The best way to prove this is to get the birth certificate for Florence Holman.  That should give the mother's maiden name.   William Holman married Jadwiga M. Lisowski Westminster Jun 1866 1A 710.   I couldn't find Jadwiga in the 1861 census but I think I may have found her on the 1851 census.  There is no baptism for Jadwiga but a Joseph and Mary Ann Lisowski baptised several children in St James including Adolphus in 1843.  I searched on Adolphus born c 1843, no surname, and found an entry on the 1851 census on Find My Past (the transcription has no surname, the transcriber gave up,, but the original does show Lisowski).  Adolphus is with father Joseph born c1800 Poland and sister Yadrick born c1847 living at 5 Broad Street, St James, Westminster.  I wondered if Yadrick was an attempt by the census enumerator at the name Jadwiga.    Joy ________________________________ From: Tim Treeby (Genealogy) <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2013, 2:02 Subject: Re: [DEV] BOW in Berry Pomeroy I have a convoluted theory which means that your James BOW was actually James Beazley HOLMAN but I could be wrong. My reasoning goes like this On 1891 Census (St George the Martyr, Soutwark) your James Bow is shown as being born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. Also on that census shows a son Arthur born 1874 in Westminster, London. On checking the 1881 Census for this Arthur I found in (St George the Martyr, Southwark) an Arthur Bow, son of William Bow and Jadwiga Bow (Who's age and place of Birth matches your Mary Bow). Also on that Census was a James B Holman born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. I believe that William Bow died and James Holman became Head of Household and was going by the name Bow at least on the Censuses. I say this because could not find any Births to match for Florence, George or James as a Bow, but found  a George and a James Holman Births which match the years given in 1891 and 1901 Census. Also on 1901 Census James Bow gives his occupation as Shoe Black Licensed. I have found Baptisms for a George Beazley Holman and a James Beazley Holman, Father given as James, Mother as Mary and occupation as Shoe Black. Unable to find a Jadwiga Bow on 1891/1901 Census but did find a death for Jadwiga Mary Bow aged 60 in 1910 - Southwark Vol 1d p 63. Also struggling to locate James B Holman on any Census after 1881 nor can i find a marriage or death for him but his Birth is registered in Newton Abbot District (which covers Torquay) in Q1 1851. Nor could i seem to find a marrige for Florence (Bow/Holman) to unknown Shepherd. Without getting her Death Certificate and finding out who the informant was and what the Address was and/or Birth Certificates for George Holman or James Holman, cannot say for certain my theory is correct. Hope this helps rather than hinders. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 30/11/2013 21:40, Jill wrote: > Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list > I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was born in Torquay, Devon. > The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW and Ann CUMMING - > I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this James Married some do not have it on their trees at all > My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 census - can find no marriage entry for them. > James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. > He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his daughter Florence  [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for > > IS this the correct James ? > was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy to say he was born there? > What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? > >  A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member > > PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset but I now know this is not him > > Thank you in anticipation > Jill > on: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6880 - Release Date: 11/30/13 ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Tim You are not wrong here In fact thankyou very very much I will tell you why Florence BOW I am told was the gran daughter of James Holman but I could not understand why the old lady meant She tell me that James was Holman I am still confused because his name is Bow in the census? But thank you very much I am going down that path I stupidly disregard the Holman name as hear say I just wonder how you actually know this? Jill ---- "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <> wrote: ============= I have a convoluted theory which means that your James BOW was actually James Beazley HOLMAN but I could be wrong. My reasoning goes like this On 1891 Census (St George the Martyr, Soutwark) your James Bow is shown as being born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. Also on that census shows a son Arthur born 1874 in Westminster, London. On checking the 1881 Census for this Arthur I found in (St George the Martyr, Southwark) an Arthur Bow, son of William Bow and Jadwiga Bow (Who's age and place of Birth matches your Mary Bow). Also on that Census was a James B Holman born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. I believe that William Bow died and James Holman became Head of Household and was going by the name Bow at least on the Censuses. I say this because could not find any Births to match for Florence, George or James as a Bow, but found a George and a James Holman Births which match the years given in 1891 and 1901 Census. Also on 1901 Census James Bow gives his occupation as Shoe Black Licensed. I have found Baptisms for a George Beazley Holman and a James Beazley Holman, Father given as James, Mother as Mary and occupation as Shoe Black. Unable to find a Jadwiga Bow on 1891/1901 Census but did find a death for Jadwiga Mary Bow aged 60 in 1910 - Southwark Vol 1d p 63. Also struggling to locate James B Holman on any Census after 1881 nor can i find a marriage or death for him but his Birth is registered in Newton Abbot District (which covers Torquay) in Q1 1851. Nor could i seem to find a marrige for Florence (Bow/Holman) to unknown Shepherd. Without getting her Death Certificate and finding out who the informant was and what the Address was and/or Birth Certificates for George Holman or James Holman, cannot say for certain my theory is correct. Hope this helps rather than hinders. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 30/11/2013 21:40, Jill wrote: > Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list > I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was born in Torquay, Devon. > The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW and Ann CUMMING - > I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this James Married some do not have it on their trees at all > My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 census - can find no marriage entry for them. > James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. > He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for > > IS this the correct James ? > was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy to say he was born there? > What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? > > A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member > > PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset but I now know this is not him > > Thank you in anticipation > Jill > on: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6880 - Release Date: 11/30/13 ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev Have you had a look at the 1:25,000 Ordnance Survey maps which are available on line at www.streetmap.co.uk - then zoom in to level 3 There's a group of three farms called Moore Farm, East Moore and West Moore between Rattery and Harberton http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idld.srf?X=274521&Y=59126&A=Y&Z=115&lm=1 which are probably the hamlet that you refer to and may well have been known as Morelands at one time. Alternatively there is a Moorshead, north-west of Rattery http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=271675&Y=63236&A=Y&Z=115 but this is in the parish of Dean Prior, so less likely. My money would be on the first of these, unless of course there was a house in the village of Rattery that was called Morelands. Kate > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of B. Edmonds > Sent: 30 November 2013 22:15 > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] > > Morning all, > > Harberton PR's > > Elizabeth w/o William SMITH of Moreland was buried at Rattery 9 Oct > 1696. > > Trying to establish where Moreland is? It does not seem to appear in > the Gazetteer on Genuki. > > There is a little hamlet called Moore in Harberton, could it mean that? > > Bev > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev, given that almost every field is given a name which may change as the ownership of the field changes, there is on the 1840 Tithe map for Harberton a Moorland , owned by the Rev Luscombe tenanted by Joseph Earl , its 29 acres .. That may not be right , but there are other Moor , Blackmoor , Blakemoor also mentioned.plus of course lots of Unnamed land . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:14 PM Subject: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] > Morning all, > > Harberton PR's > > Elizabeth w/o William SMITH of Moreland was buried at Rattery 9 Oct 1696. > > Trying to establish where Moreland is? It does not seem to appear in the > Gazetteer on Genuki. > > There is a little hamlet called Moore in Harberton, could it mean that? > > Bev > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

To any lister who's related to a JOHN MELHUISH of Tiverton. I found him on an Ancestry database entitled Canada, British Regimental Registers of Service, 1756-1900 -under the listing of Somerset Volunteers: Trumpeters, Drummers & Privates. He was transcribed as Milbench and birthplace plain Devon. He's with 23rd Foot Soldiers, 2nd Battalion. Age 17. Military date in 2nd April 1813. As an aside, almost all of the Somerset-born soldiers have been transcribed as born in Lancaster! Names are badly transcribed too. I've corrected as many as possible. cheers, pamela

>From my database:- born:- 14 January 1851 , baptised:- 02 February 1851 , James Beazley HOLMAN , child of :- John & Harriett of:- New Church Row , fathers occupation:- smith , notes:- , Where:- Tormoham ALSO born:- 24 July 1849 , baptised:- 19 August 1849 , William John Beazeley HOLMAN , child of :- John & Harriet of:- Torquay , fathers occupation:- blacksmith , notes:- , Where:- Tormoham Terry >----Original Message---- >From: genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk >Date: 01/12/2013 2:02 >To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [DEV] BOW in Berry Pomeroy > >I have a convoluted theory which means that your James BOW was actually >James Beazley HOLMAN but I could be wrong. >My reasoning goes like this > >On 1891 Census (St George the Martyr, Soutwark) your James Bow is shown >as being born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. >Also on that census shows a son Arthur born 1874 in Westminster, London. > >On checking the 1881 Census for this Arthur I found in (St George the >Martyr, Southwark) an Arthur Bow, son of William Bow and Jadwiga Bow > (Who's age and place of Birth matches your Mary Bow). >Also on that Census was a James B Holman born 1851 in Torquay and is a >Bricklayers Labourer. > >I believe that William Bow died and James Holman became Head of >Household and was going by the name Bow at least on the Censuses. > >I say this because could not find any Births to match for Florence, >George or James as a Bow, but found a George and a James Holman Births >which match the years given in 1891 and 1901 Census. >Also on 1901 Census James Bow gives his occupation as Shoe Black >Licensed. I have found Baptisms for a George Beazley Holman and a James >Beazley Holman, Father given as James, Mother as Mary and occupation as >Shoe Black. > >Unable to find a Jadwiga Bow on 1891/1901 Census but did find a death >for Jadwiga Mary Bow aged 60 in 1910 - Southwark Vol 1d p 63. >Also struggling to locate James B Holman on any Census after 1881 nor >can i find a marriage or death for him but his Birth is registered in >Newton Abbot District (which covers Torquay) in Q1 1851. >Nor could i seem to find a marrige for Florence (Bow/Holman) to unknown >Shepherd. > >Without getting her Death Certificate and finding out who the informant >was and what the Address was and/or Birth Certificates for George Holman >or James Holman, cannot say for certain my theory is correct. > >Hope this helps rather than hinders. > >Tim Treeby > >DFHS 13926 > >On 30/11/2013 21: 40, Jill wrote: >> Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list >> I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was born in Torquay, Devon. >> The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW and Ann CUMMING - >> I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this James Married some do not have it on their trees at all >> My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 census - can find no marriage entry for them. >> James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. >> He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for >> >> IS this the correct James ? >> was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy to say he was born there? >> What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? >> >> A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member >> >> PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset but I now know this is not him >> >> Thank you in anticipation >> Jill >> on: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6880 - Release Date: 11/30/13 > >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) >

Thank you I am looking for James Henry BOW son of Thomas and Ann CUMMING But thankyou anyway for looking I am just wanting to find him in 1871 - 1881 where he is missing until 1891 - 1911 - where was he for 20 years? Thank you again Jill -- Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterbourne Kingston in Dorset, England http://www.opcdorset.org Project - Street Names of the Copper Coast – project Project- Port Adelaide Notes and Pictures of Past People ---- "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: ============= Hi Jill This family is in 1851 in Berry Pomeroy. You James maybe missed from being entered. Bev BOW, Phillip Neighbors 45085 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Phillip BOW Head M 40 M Ag Lab Berry Pomeroy-DEV Elizabeth BOW Wife M 41 F --- Totnes-DEV Sarah BOW Daur - 11 F --- Berry Pomeroy-DEV William BOW Son - 8 M --- Berry Pomeroy-DEV Jane BOW Daur - 6 F --- Berry Pomeroy-DEV Emma BOW Daur - 2 F --- Berry Pomeroy-DEV Address: Berry Lodge, Totnes Census Place: Berry Pomeroy Totnes, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1874 Folio: 157 Page: 1 FHL Film: 0221022 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jill" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:40 AM To: "DEVON List" <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; "DEVON List" <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] BOW in Berry Pomeroy > Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list > I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - > but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was > born in Torquay, Devon. > The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW > and Ann CUMMING - > I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this > James Married some do not have it on their trees at all > My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 > census - can find no marriage entry for them. > James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where > he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. > He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his > daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence > eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for > > IS this the correct James ? > was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy > to say he was born there? > What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? > > A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member > > PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset > but I now know this is not him > > Thank you in anticipation > Jill > > > > -- > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterbourne Kingston in Dorset, > England > http://www.opcdorset.org > Project - Street Names of the Copper Coast – project > Project- Port Adelaide Notes and Pictures of Past People > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6380 - Release Date: 11/30/13 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thenk you for all this but as I said I do have it all except for James who is missing in 1871 - 1881 I see you have James in jersy in 1871 I looked at this but why would he say Jersy? if I am not mistaken is that in Hampshire not Devon Forgive me if I am wrong Although I will follow this Jersy man and see where he takes me as I said I do have all that is available for Thomas and Ann it is just James BOW born 1851 - as in the 1911 and 1901 census - that I cannot find or connect to them? Thank you Jill -- Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterbourne Kingston in Dorset, England http://www.opcdorset.org Project - Street Names of the Copper Coast – project Project- Port Adelaide Notes and Pictures of Past People ---- SteveDee <bestdad@btinternet.com> wrote: ============= Hi Jill, Could be them 1861 Census Thomas Bow 36 Totnes, Totnes Ann Bow 30 Totnes, Totnes James Henry Bow 7 Totnes, Totnes Mary Grace Bow 4 Totnes, Totnes Sarah Ann Bow 1 Totnes, Totnes 1871 Census Thomas Bow 46 Totnes, Totnes Ann Bow 39 Totnes, Totnes Mary G Bow 14 Totnes, Totnes Married Charles Janes March 1881 William T Bow 9 Totnes, Totnes Possible for James James Bow 20 Jersey 1881 Census Thomas BOW 56 Totnes, Totnes Ann BOW 49 Totnes, Totnes William T BOW 19 Totnes, Totnes 1891 Census Thomas BOW 66 Totnes, Totnes Ann BOW 60 Totnes, Totnes 1901 Census Ann Bow 69 Devon Harbertonford Devon Totnes Hope it Helps Steve Dinham ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was born in Torquay, Devon. The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW and Ann CUMMING - I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this James Married some do not have it on their trees at all My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 census - can find no marriage entry for them. James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for IS this the correct James ? was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy to say he was born there? What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset but I now know this is not him Thank you in anticipation Jill -- Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterbourne Kingston in Dorset, England http://www.opcdorset.org Project - Street Names of the Copper Coast – project Project- Port Adelaide Notes and Pictures of Past People

Possibly Jane, it is an early date so just as likely to be the name of a cottage of farm. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jane Hope" <janehope-2008@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:25 AM To: "DEVON@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] > Evening Bev (not morning here yet) > > I'm sure someone will know but could it possibly be Elizabeth's address > (as in name of her house)? Just a thought. > > All the best, > > Jane > > >> From: beverley@yourisp.com.au >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 08:14:49 +1000 >> Subject: [DEV] Moreland [where is it] in Devon? [SMITH] >> >> Morning all, >> >> Harberton PR's >> >> Elizabeth w/o William SMITH of Moreland was buried at Rattery 9 Oct 1696. >> >> Trying to establish where Moreland is? It does not seem to appear in the >> Gazetteer on Genuki. >> >> There is a little hamlet called Moore in Harberton, could it mean that? >> >> Bev >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6381 - Release Date: 11/30/13 >

Morning all, Harberton PR's Elizabeth w/o William SMITH of Moreland was buried at Rattery 9 Oct 1696. Trying to establish where Moreland is? It does not seem to appear in the Gazetteer on Genuki. There is a little hamlet called Moore in Harberton, could it mean that? Bev

Hi Jill This family is in 1851 in Berry Pomeroy. You James maybe missed from being entered. Bev BOW, Phillip Neighbors 45085 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Phillip BOW Head M 40 M Ag Lab Berry Pomeroy-DEV Elizabeth BOW Wife M 41 F --- Totnes-DEV Sarah BOW Daur - 11 F --- Berry Pomeroy-DEV William BOW Son - 8 M --- Berry Pomeroy-DEV Jane BOW Daur - 6 F --- Berry Pomeroy-DEV Emma BOW Daur - 2 F --- Berry Pomeroy-DEV Address: Berry Lodge, Totnes Census Place: Berry Pomeroy Totnes, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1874 Folio: 157 Page: 1 FHL Film: 0221022 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jill" <jillmorley@bigpond.com> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:40 AM To: "DEVON List" <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; "DEVON List" <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] BOW in Berry Pomeroy > Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list > I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - > but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was > born in Torquay, Devon. > The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW > and Ann CUMMING - > I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this > James Married some do not have it on their trees at all > My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 > census - can find no marriage entry for them. > James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where > he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. > He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his > daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence > eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for > > IS this the correct James ? > was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy > to say he was born there? > What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? > > A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member > > PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset > but I now know this is not him > > Thank you in anticipation > Jill > > > > -- > Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY > O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterbourne Kingston in Dorset, > England > http://www.opcdorset.org > Project - Street Names of the Copper Coast – project > Project- Port Adelaide Notes and Pictures of Past People > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3629/6380 - Release Date: 11/30/13 >

Morning all, Not my families either. This entry is in my PR's, and on my old Fiche but not found on familysearch. Married at Totnes 19 July 1656 Roger BUNKER and Mary WILLIAMS both of Rattery. Married at Totnes also on the 26 Dec 1655 Thomas HEAD of Rattery and Winifred JETLEY of Staverton All these in the same year, yet only this last one on Famsearch. Are they leaving some out? Something odd going on. Bev