Hi, hebron@hebron.adsl24.co.uk <hebron@hebron.adsl24.co.uk> is the email address of Lyn Chapple the OPC for North Molton, why not ask her what other information she has of the Blakes. In A2A there is a John Blake apprenticed for a tenement in Flitton which is a hamlet of N Molton in 1755 . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "STUART BLAKE" <tuneitnow@msn.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:49 AM Subject: [DEV] Re John Blake and Jane Hooper, Plymouth, Devon > > > > > > > > My ancestors, John Blake and Jane had three children in North Molton, > 1767, 1770, and 1772. The only marriage someone has found was to a Jane > Abbot in Barnstable in 1770. This can not be correct, as they had a child > in 1767, and John would have only been 19 at the time of his first child. > It is probable, but in my research, not likely. Another concern, is that > they only had 3 children. Again, probable, but not likely. > > > I have done extensive research all over Devon, and even in Somerset > county, but have come up empty handed. I have come across a marriage for > a Jno. Blake and Jane Hooper on 15 July 1753, in Plymouth (St. Andrews > Parish.). I see they had some children there. This marriage fits > perfectly into the parameters that I am working with. However, as those > records I have access to, are more time consuming to read and go through, > I was wondering if anyone could give me some input and/or guidance. > > > Was it common back then to be married in Plymouth, and then travel that > far (to North Molton)? I say that far, as it is from one end of Devon to > the opposite end, but for poor hungry people, that probably wasn't far to > go to work. > > > What type of records are there to verify where one went, or where one came > from? > > > Is there a Hooper family member that may know of this marriage and shed > some light on it for me? > > > Am I looking up the wrong 'tree’? > > > As I don't live in England, I am not sure of the customs at this time, and > wonder if I am wasting my time searching this marriage out, but so far, it > is the only John Blake that married a Jane, prior to 1767 that I can find. > > > Thanks for any help/advise. > > > Stuart > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Marriage dates often have little to do with when the first child is born, neither does age. Never dismiss anything as impossible. Murphy's Law will always prove otherwise. Terry Blackmore OPC, Sheldon, Devon. -----Original Message----- From: STUART BLAKE Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:49 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re John Blake and Jane Hooper, Plymouth, Devon My ancestors, John Blake and Jane had three children in North Molton, 1767, 1770, and 1772. The only marriage someone has found was to a Jane Abbot in Barnstable in 1770. This can not be correct, as they had a child in 1767, and John would have only been 19 at the time of his first child. It is probable, but in my research, not likely. Another concern, is that they only had 3 children. Again, probable, but not likely. I have done extensive research all over Devon, and even in Somerset county, but have come up empty handed. I have come across a marriage for a Jno. Blake and Jane Hooper on 15 July 1753, in Plymouth (St. Andrews Parish.). I see they had some children there. This marriage fits perfectly into the parameters that I am working with. However, as those records I have access to, are more time consuming to read and go through, I was wondering if anyone could give me some input and/or guidance. Was it common back then to be married in Plymouth, and then travel that far (to North Molton)? I say that far, as it is from one end of Devon to the opposite end, but for poor hungry people, that probably wasn't far to go to work. What type of records are there to verify where one went, or where one came from? Is there a Hooper family member that may know of this marriage and shed some light on it for me? Am I looking up the wrong 'tree’? As I don't live in England, I am not sure of the customs at this time, and wonder if I am wasting my time searching this marriage out, but so far, it is the only John Blake that married a Jane, prior to 1767 that I can find. Thanks for any help/advise. Stuart ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ancestors, John Blake and Jane had three children in North Molton, 1767, 1770, and 1772. The only marriage someone has found was to a Jane Abbot in Barnstable in 1770. This can not be correct, as they had a child in 1767, and John would have only been 19 at the time of his first child. It is probable, but in my research, not likely. Another concern, is that they only had 3 children. Again, probable, but not likely. I have done extensive research all over Devon, and even in Somerset county, but have come up empty handed. I have come across a marriage for a Jno. Blake and Jane Hooper on 15 July 1753, in Plymouth (St. Andrews Parish.). I see they had some children there. This marriage fits perfectly into the parameters that I am working with. However, as those records I have access to, are more time consuming to read and go through, I was wondering if anyone could give me some input and/or guidance. Was it common back then to be married in Plymouth, and then travel that far (to North Molton)? I say that far, as it is from one end of Devon to the opposite end, but for poor hungry people, that probably wasn't far to go to work. What type of records are there to verify where one went, or where one came from? Is there a Hooper family member that may know of this marriage and shed some light on it for me? Am I looking up the wrong 'tree’? As I don't live in England, I am not sure of the customs at this time, and wonder if I am wasting my time searching this marriage out, but so far, it is the only John Blake that married a Jane, prior to 1767 that I can find. Thanks for any help/advise. Stuart

Hi, it seems to me the whole point of settlement was to give security to a child who could in hard times call on the poor law relief etc of that parish . You say you are certain that Ann was christened in Plymstock , have you found this ? is there an Ann Saunders chr c ? was she a sister of Philip ? Where was Philip from ? and Plymstock would only be responsible for Ann and her illegitmate child if she Ann was born there And applied to the overseers of the poor for poor relief . And they managed ,as we still do here in the UK , to move about in fall or winter and spring !!!! we aren`t talking 100s of miles here .. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Sanders" <utvairs@yahoo.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Richard Page SAUNDERS > I've done some reading up on the laws and customs surrounding bastardy in > those times, and I've read that the support of the illegitimate child > typically was administered through the mother's home parish. Ann (Lang) > Saunders was from Plymstock. I'm quite certain that she was christened > there, and they married there. Phillip was not from Plymstock. Now, if > they were living in Brixton when she conceived and bore Richard by another > man, would she not have been more or less obligated by law to return to > Plymstock? At least if she wanted help from the church for his support. > Now suppose that Richard was born in the fall or winter. Wouldn't they > have waited till spring to make the move back to Plymstock? > > We've written off Richard as a child of the same Ann that is married to > Phillip, mostly because we haven't seen much precedence for a wife > stepping out on the husband, and them sticking together. We've also > discounted it because if the short amount of time between richard's and > the next child's christenings. But, given the circumstances, I haven't > written off the possibility that Richard was 6 - 9 months old (or more) > when the arrived back in Plymstock in the spring... > > Just food for thought. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

While it was the parish which was the unit which was required to carry out the provisions of the Poor Law, the money came from rates levied on the owners/tenants of property in the parish according to the value of each holding. This money was collected and disbursed by the overseers of the poor who were "elected" by those same owners/tenants. I put "election" in quotes because (at least in our parish) the appointment was in strict rotation by property. By 1826 the whole system was having severe difficulties and this ultimately led to the introduction of Poor Lawn Unions. -----Original Message----- From: dennis bramble Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:18 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Removal orders Ref; Chris Burgoyne's email of 8-12-13. A most interesting detailed research. However, why blame the Church for lack of charity? At that time the Church was, when carrying out such duties, doing what the law demanded of it. The state had since the time of the Tudors used the church authorities to administer much of the civil law. That is why the Anglican Church was by law ordered to keep parish registers. That law still stands today. No other denomination is bound by law to keep such records. Why, because King Henry 8th. insisted that all his subjects had to be Anglican with the result that there were no other denominations recognised by the state. That was the only way in those days that the king could keep tabs on all his subjects. A mixed blessing for family historians! Dennis Bramble ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ref; Chris Burgoyne's email of 8-12-13. A most interesting detailed research. However, why blame the Church for lack of charity? At that time the Church was, when carrying out such duties, doing what the law demanded of it. The state had since the time of the Tudors used the church authorities to administer much of the civil law. That is why the Anglican Church was by law ordered to keep parish registers. That law still stands today. No other denomination is bound by law to keep such records. Why, because King Henry 8th. insisted that all his subjects had to be Anglican with the result that there were no other denominations recognised by the state. That was the only way in those days that the king could keep tabs on all his subjects. A mixed blessing for family historians! Dennis Bramble

Hello Everyone. I'm not sure I can answer the question posed in these queries, but as I run the Darracott One-name study and have a keen interest in all things connected to the name "Darracott" I thought I'd chip in. The name "Darracott" (and some spelling variants) derives from the Braunton/Barnstaple/Bideford area of north Devon. At the time of the matters we're concerned with here, there were very few Darracotts (in the UK) outside north Devon and the adjoining area of Cornwall, apart from a few related families who were in Plymouth, and were prospering. I have what I believe to be a pretty extensive database of names and events, and can't find any event that would have given rise to a Richard Page Derricott, who married Sarah Petherne on 10 October 1800 in Modbury. The name Darracott is sometimes found spelled as "Derricott" and in other ways in Devon at this time, but it is usually obvious that it's a spelling "error", and I would suggest that in this case his name should properly be Richard Page Darracott. It is important not to be confused with the numerous Derricotts and Dorricotts who were flourishing up in the Shropshire and Staffordshire area at the same time. The name clearly has the same original meaning, but the groups are not related. I have come across several instances of the name Darracott being incorrectly given in the early census as Derricot or similar variations. And to make matters worse, there are several instances of where the name "Dannatt" (admittedly badly written in the original) has been incorrectly transcribed as "Darracott" by the folk at Ancestry and Findmypast. Interestingly, I have in my own tree a Harriett Saunders who married a John Darracott on 30 June 1836 in Alverdiscott, and a James Darracott married a Maria Page on 30 May 1843 in Barnstaple. But I have no Richard Page Darracott. It is such as rare name that, assuming it is correct, there would appear to definitely be an interesting story behind the circumstances. "No smoke without fire" is a dictum that I've found to be true on many occasions! I'm now intrigued and will keep a look out for any possible solutions. Cheers, Brian Darracott ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 11:17:39 -0000 From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Subject: [DEV] SAUNDERS/PAGE/DERRICOTT To: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>, <devon@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <77415E81FE064AA6B888037F79FF1119@max> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi .. both Modbury and Plymstock have transcriptions of their bapt registers on genuki//devon and I see that Plymstock is really Plymouth , just 3 miles E by S of Plymouth and Modbury some 12 miles E by S . Richard Page ( transcribed as Paye) Saunders is there and perhaps if you contacted Plymstock there might be some further info on the register . Derricott is rare to a point of almost not existing , but Darracott is also fairly rare and mostly in the north of Devon around Braunton but with the constantly changing population of Plymouth anyone could have been there at any time . Saunders there are a plenty . Petherne is also luckily a rare name. If you familysearch it the most results are for Pethern without an e , and of course Cornwall , which handily is just along the road from Plymouth !! I think this may well remain a mystery !! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Baptized as "Base" son/daughter Hi Elizabeth, I did some further investigating and came across another puzzle (and another surname) associated with Richard. When he married in 1813 he was a widower resident at Brixton and I looked to see if there were any other baptisms relating to Page Saunders and I found two earlier baptisms at Brixton (Harriet Page Saunders 1802 and Jane Page Saunders 1804). Here the plot thickens because the original entry shows that on Harriet's baptism the original surname is Dericott and that was scored through and Saunders inserted. The mother was Sarah Petherne. I couldn't find a marriage of Richard Page Saunders to Sarah Petherne BUT when I searched for a Sarah Petherne marriage I found a marriage to Richard Page Derricott at Modbury in 1800. Can anyone find a marriage of Ann Saunders to a Derricott/Darracott etc? One possible explanation is that Richard's mother married a Derricott and he was raised using that surname (which tends to imply that he isn't the son of the Ann Saunders married to Philip Saunders). Or, was he farmed out to a family called Derricott and not raised by his mother? Or was his birth father a Derricott? I doubt if we will ever know unless there is a Saunders/Dericott marriage or a descendant has a story passed down through the family. Joy ________________________________ From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: Blaine Sanders <utvairs@yahoo.com>; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013, 11:42 Subject: [DEV] Baptized as "Base" son/daughter Hi, you don`t say where you " came across " this information . Sanders/Saunders is a most populous Devon name and perhaps this is another Saunders ? it seems unlikely that a family would choose one child out of 8 , to highlight as being illegitimate . . I would try find out more before deciding that Ann the wife of Philip had an " affair " . And follow up Joy`s lead with the 1813 marriage of Richard Page Saunders . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message -----

These removal orders could be draconian In the Hingston one-name study we have Arthur Hingston, born in Moreleigh, who married Elizabeth Gillard from Charleton. He was a Customs Officer and drowned, we believe off Exmouth, while living at Littleham in 1824. She returned, with her children, to Kingsbridge to be with her own family, but was then subject to a removal order back to Littleham in 1825:- "/Upon the complaint of the churchwardens and overseers of the poor of the parish of KINGSBRIDGE ...... that Elizabeth Hingstone, Henry her son aged 20 years, Bevill Gillard her son aged 14 years, Charles her son aged 12 years, Jane /[presumably Sarah Jane]/her daughter aged 9 years and Arthur her son aged five years have come to inhabit the said parish of Kingsbridge not having gained a legal settlement there, ...... the lawful settlement of Elizabeth and her children is in the parish of Littleham ...we do require you the churchwardens and overseers of the poor in the parish of Kingsbridge to convey Elizabeth and her children from and out of the said parish of Kingsbridge to the said parish of Littleham and then to deliver them to the churchwardens and overseers of the poor of the parish there./" It doesn't say much for the charity of the church. She was too ill to travel and the order was not carried out - she died soon afterwards and the children were brought up by relatives. More details at:- http://www-civ.eng.cam.ac.uk/cjb/hingston/hh.htm#hh4 Chris Burgoyne OPC for Aveton Giffird Hingston One-Name Study <<snipped>> As I understand it, the wife took on her husband's place of settlement when she married. Therefore, no matter what the circumstances of the child's birth, any required support should have come from the husband's place of settlement, not her birth parish. Further, if she had been obliged to move for support reasons, there should be something recorded as a Removal Order - though whether it survives, is a different matter.

<<snipped>> I've read that the support of the illegitimate child typically was administered through the mother's home parish. Ann (Lang) Saunders was from Plymstock. I'm quite certain that she was christened there, and they married there. Phillip was not from Plymstock. Now, if they were living in Brixton .... <<snipped>> As I understand it, the wife took on her husband's place of settlement when she married. Therefore, no matter what the circumstances of the child's birth, any required support should have come from the husband's place of settlement, not her birth parish. Further, if she had been obliged to move for support reasons, there should be something recorded as a Removal Order - though whether it survives, is a different matter. Adrian B

Born in Topsham in 1720, give or take a few years, George, the sea captain, was twice married, the first having died of a shotgun wound to her bowels. George himself was the prime suspect among family members in Newfoundland in an area lacking in Oyer and Terminer, after which he married Mary Branscombe who was half his age. I would like to donate George to any assiduous Davis researcher! No thanks required!

I've done some reading up on the laws and customs surrounding bastardy in those times, and I've read that the support of the illegitimate child typically was administered through the mother's home parish. Ann (Lang) Saunders was from Plymstock. I'm quite certain that she was christened there, and they married there. Phillip was not from Plymstock. Now, if they were living in Brixton when she conceived and bore Richard by another man, would she not have been more or less obligated by law to return to Plymstock? At least if she wanted help from the church for his support. Now suppose that Richard was born in the fall or winter. Wouldn't they have waited till spring to make the move back to Plymstock? We've written off Richard as a child of the same Ann that is married to Phillip, mostly because we haven't seen much precedence for a wife stepping out on the husband, and them sticking together. We've also discounted it because if the short amount of time between richard's and the next child's christenings. But, given the circumstances, I haven't written off the possibility that Richard was 6 - 9 months old (or more) when the arrived back in Plymstock in the spring... Just food for thought.

Thank you Edna, Wayne & Deborah for your replies. I have now contacted Paul. Regards..Lesley Albany Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of liverpud Sent: Saturday, 7 December 2013 1:24 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] OPC Ivybridge Check Genuki at the bottom of each e-mail. http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/indexpars.html

I am researching Evelyn Blanche Williams who was born in Cardiff in 1899. She had a child in London in 1924 and then vanished until we found her death in Bristol in 1976. We found a newspaper article dated 1926 which mentions her working for a building company called H Fletcher and Co st Marys Street East Stonehouse. l am trying to find any information about her and any advice would be appreciated. Andy

Thanks Christine, Excellent sites for us. Edna - Ottawa

Good morning m'dears, Following up costal storms on web, better that house work!!! You may well be interested in this website, beware it is a lot to read.... click or double click on the photos to enlarge the writing under them <http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~imw/Budleigh-Salterton.htm> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~imw/Budleigh-Salterton.htm <http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~imw/index.htm#List-of-Webpages> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~imw/index.htm#List-of-Webpages <http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~imw/chestorm.htm> http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~imw/chestorm.htm It is a rambling website, but so interesting. Best wishes, Chris <http://feniton.blogspot.co.uk/> http://feniton.blogspot.co.uk/ <http://fenitonchurch.blogspot.co.uk/> http://fenitonchurch.blogspot.co.uk/

Hi Does anyone know if Paul Sherriff is still offering look ups for Ivybridge ? Messages sent via the link for Ivybridge obtained from the Genuki Ermington page are being returned to me as "disabled". Regards........Lesley Albany Western Australia

Check Genuki at the bottom of each e-mail. http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/indexpars.html Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Donald Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 12:18 PM To: DEVON LIST Subject: [DEV] OPC Ivybridge Hi Does anyone know if Paul Sherriff is still offering look ups for Ivybridge ? Messages sent via the link for Ivybridge obtained from the Genuki Ermington page are being returned to me as "disabled". Regards........Lesley Albany Western Australia

Hi .. both Modbury and Plymstock have transcriptions of their bapt registers on genuki//devon and I see that Plymstock is really Plymouth , just 3 miles E by S of Plymouth and Modbury some 12 miles E by S . Richard Page ( transcribed as Paye) Saunders is there and perhaps if you contacted Plymstock there might be some further info on the register . Derricott is rare to a point of almost not existing , but Darracott is also fairly rare and mostly in the north of Devon around Braunton but with the constantly changing population of Plymouth anyone could have been there at any time . Saunders there are a plenty . Petherne is also luckily a rare name. If you familysearch it the most results are for Pethern without an e , and of course Cornwall , which handily is just along the road from Plymouth !! I think this may well remain a mystery !! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Baptized as "Base" son/daughter Hi Elizabeth, I did some further investigating and came across another puzzle (and another surname) associated with Richard. When he married in 1813 he was a widower resident at Brixton and I looked to see if there were any other baptisms relating to Page Saunders and I found two earlier baptisms at Brixton (Harriet Page Saunders 1802 and Jane Page Saunders 1804). Here the plot thickens because the original entry shows that on Harriet's baptism the original surname is Dericott and that was scored through and Saunders inserted. The mother was Sarah Petherne. I couldn't find a marriage of Richard Page Saunders to Sarah Petherne BUT when I searched for a Sarah Petherne marriage I found a marriage to Richard Page Derricott at Modbury in 1800. Can anyone find a marriage of Ann Saunders to a Derricott/Darracott etc? One possible explanation is that Richard's mother married a Derricott and he was raised using that surname (which tends to imply that he isn't the son of the Ann Saunders married to Philip Saunders). Or, was he farmed out to a family called Derricott and not raised by his mother? Or was his birth father a Derricott? I doubt if we will ever know unless there is a Saunders/Dericott marriage or a descendant has a story passed down through the family. Joy ________________________________ From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: Blaine Sanders <utvairs@yahoo.com>; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013, 11:42 Subject: [DEV] Baptized as "Base" son/daughter Hi, you don`t say where you " came across " this information . Sanders/Saunders is a most populous Devon name and perhaps this is another Saunders ? it seems unlikely that a family would choose one child out of 8 , to highlight as being illegitimate . . I would try find out more before deciding that Ann the wife of Philip had an " affair " . And follow up Joy`s lead with the 1813 marriage of Richard Page Saunders . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning, here is what I can find re " Notes " for the following marriages. Bev John PILLAGE and Anne SAUNDERS married at East Allington 19 May 1778 [with notes] Notes are" Ann is from Harberton. > At West Alvington Thomas WAKEHAM married Ann SAUNDERS 7 Dec 1769 [with > notes] The Notes were " both otp and Thomas was a husbandman " >> At South Brent John PETHYJOHNS married Ann SAUNDERS 8 Apr 1798 [with >> notes] Notes are: Ann is a widow

Morning, Thomas SHEPHERD married Ann SAUNDERS 9 Apr 1798 [with Notes] at Cornwood Samuel SHERWILL married Ann SAUNDERS at Plymstock 15 Feb 1754 At Newton Ferrers William WEEKS married Ann SANDERS 19 Jan 1780 John PILLAGE and Anne SAUNDERS married at East Allington 19 May 1778 [with notes] At West Alvington Thomas WAKEHAM married Ann SAUNDERS 7 Dec 1769 [with notes] At South Brent John PETHYJOHNS married Ann SAUNDERS 8 Apr 1798 [with notes] In Plymouth Charles Church Elizabeth SAUNDERS d/o Rich: & Mary chr. 1 May 1796 Daniel chr 8 Jul 1798 Ann Chr 21 Oct 1798 Mary 9 Chr. Mar 1800 John 22 Chr. Sep 1802 Found no DORRACOTT/DORRICOTT marriage as suggested by Joy. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:06 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Baptized as "Base" son/daughter > Hi Elizabeth, > > I did some further investigating and came across another puzzle (and > another surname) associated with Richard. When he married in 1813 he was > a widower resident at Brixton and I looked to see if there were any other > baptisms relating to Page Saunders and I found two earlier baptisms at > Brixton (Harriet Page Saunders 1802 and Jane Page Saunders 1804). Here > the plot thickens because the original entry shows that on Harriet's > baptism the original surname is Dericott and that was scored through and > Saunders inserted. The mother was Sarah Petherne. > > I couldn't find a marriage of Richard Page Saunders to Sarah Petherne BUT > when I searched for a Sarah Petherne marriage I found a marriage to > Richard Page Derricott at Modbury in 1800. > > Can anyone find a marriage of Ann Saunders to a Derricott/Darracott etc? > One possible explanation is that Richard's mother married a Derricott and > he was raised using that surname (which tends to imply that he isn't the > son of the Ann Saunders married to Philip Saunders). Or, was he farmed > out to a family called Derricott and not raised by his mother? Or was his > birth father a Derricott? I doubt if we will ever know unless there is a > Saunders/Dericott marriage or a descendant has a story passed down through > the family. > > Joy > > ________________________________ > From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> > To: Blaine Sanders <utvairs@yahoo.com>; devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013, 11:42 > Subject: [DEV] Baptized as "Base" son/daughter > > > Hi, you don`t say where you " came across " this > information . Sanders/Saunders is a most populous Devon name and perhaps > this is another Saunders ? it seems unlikely that a family would choose > one > child out of 8 , to highlight as being illegitimate . . I would try find > out more before deciding that Ann the wife of Philip had an " affair " . > And follow up Joy`s lead with the 1813 marriage of Richard Page Saunders . > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6392 - Release Date: 12/04/13 > >