Hi Elizabeth Here is the full text from the Gazette, seems when I copied it into my computer I put the year 1953 instead of 1935 and I did not have all this, especially all his travel. No wonder they were having trouble finding him. Bev Re GEORGE REED SEARLE, Deceased. PURSUANT to an Order of the Chancery Division of the High Court of Justice, dated the 21st day of January, 1935, and made in an action In the Matter of the Estate of George Reed Searle, deceased, Searle and Another v. Searle and Others, 1934, S. No. 1623, whereby the following" enquiry was directed: - An enquiry whether Arthur Ambrose Searle, a Son of one Milton Ambrose Searle, who was a Cousin of the above named testator, George Reed Searle, is living or dead, and if dead, when he died, and if he died since the death of the testator, who are his personal representatives. Notice is hereby given that all persons claiming to be entitled under the said enquiry are, on or before the 23rd day of April, 1936, to send by post, prepaid, to Isaac Landau, Solicitor, of Messrs, Aird Hood & Co., 4, Brabant Court, London, E.C.3, their full Christian and surnames, addresses and descriptions, and full particulars of their claims, or in default thereof they will be excluded from the benefit of the said Order, unless the Court or Judge on application otherwise orders. Thursday, the 30th day of April, 1936, at 12.30, is the time appointed for adjudicating upon the claims before Master Chandler, at the Chambers of the Judge, Room 246, Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, London. A claimant not residing in England or Wales must send particulars of his claim, with the name and address of a person in England or Wales to whom notices to the claimant can be sent. Dated this 10th day of December, 1935. PRETOR W. CHANDLER, Master. ISAAC LANDAU, of Aird Hood and Co., 4, Brabant Cpurtj London, E.C.3, Solicitors for the Plaintiffs. NOTE.-The said Arthur Ambrose Searle is believed to have been born at Plymouth in 1876. About the year 1892 he went to (Rhodesia, afterwards to Australia, to California in 1909, and was last heard of at Moorabin, near Melbourne, in Australia, about the year 1912 or 1913

Hi Bev, Have been doing some searching and think I have worked out the Searle family. Reading the London Gazette Article, I believe that it implies that Milton Ambrose Searle and George Reed Searle are cousins. Looking on other Censuses and Marriage Records and Probate now have the following. George Reed Searle and Augustus Frederick Searle were brothers, both born in Canada found living together on 1871 Census in Toxtex Park, Liverpool, England. Found a marriage for Augustus Frederick Searle in London 1870 image on Ancestry. Father named as Augustus Frederick Searle. Probate record 23 Jan 1873 for Augustus Searle (on Ancestry UK Probate) states Administration of the effects of Augustus Searle late of Kingston in Canada Agent for the Royal Mail Steamers on Lake Ontario in North America a Widower who died 11 July 1854 at Kingston was granted at the Principal Registry to George Reed Searle of Liverpool in the County of Lancaster Accountant the Son and one of the Next of Kin. Believe i have found baptism of Augustus Frederick (George Reed's Brother) see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wjmartin/wm-s_23.htm <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ewjmartin/wm-s_23.htm> So we have Arthur Ambrose Searle (Born 1876 Plymouth) son of Milton Ambrose Searle (born 1847 America) son of George Elliot Searle (Born 1822 Plymouth, England). also we have George Reed Searle (Born abt 1844 Kingston, Canada) and Augustus Frederick Searle (Born 13 May 1845, Kingston, Canada) sons of Augustus Frederick Searle (Died 1854 Kingston, Canada) and Margaret ?. On FindMyPast Have found a Baptism for a George Searle 1822 in Plymouth. Parents Samuel and Grace. Also Augustus Searle 1815 in Plymouth. Parents Samuel and Grace. Samuel's Occupation given as Tailor. Cannot find a marriage for Samuel to Grace. There is a burial for a Samuel Searle in 1834 who was a Tailor in Plymoth. Age given as 46. No Middle names given on these two Baptism entries. Hope this helps and gives you a few more things to check out. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 20/12/2013 21:26, B. Edmonds wrote: > Tim, > > Milton Ambrose SEARLE had a brother George William SEARLE, G.W. was a > witness to the marriage when he [Milton] married ELLIS in 1881, so George > Reed SEARLE is not the brother of Milton unless two brothers named George. > > I loose track of George William aft 1881, there are so many George SEARLE'S > abt. I thought he might have be the William George SEARLE who married in > Toowoomba, Qld in 1901 but we have now sorted that and he is not the same > person. That is not to say he is not another George SEARLE as they are quite > abundant in Queensland, Australia as well. > > I really do not have access to American records as such and have done very > little research over there other than to Google names. > > Seems I have my work cut out trying to find George Reed SEARLE. I do have a > short extract of his Will from the Ancestry Index. His probate goes to > Accountant Frederick Halsall which does not tell me a thing. > > > Regards > Bev >

Found this link http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/34235/pages/8331/page.pdf Sue ________________________________ From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 2:28 PM Subject: [DEV] George Reed Searle & Elizabeth Agnes Butler                 Hi Bev ,  can`t do any better than Tim, nothing on the Britishnewspapersarchive for any of them and yet George Reed S left a sizeable fortune when he died . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:07 AM Subject: [DEV] George Reed Searle & Elizabeth Agnes Butler > Afternoon, > > Seeing as I like to know everything, I am now fishing for George Reed > SEARLE > who married Elizabeth Agnes BUTLER at Exeter R/D Mar Q 1867. > > Some how or other he is a cousin to Arthur Ambrose SEARLE who just > happened > to die in Queensland in 1953 and is buried in Brisbane. > > A Newspaper article in the London Gazette in 1935 re [Chancery Court] the > Estate of George Reed Searle...........enquiries are being made as to > whether he is dead or alive and to the whereabouts of Arthur Ambrose > SEARLE, > his cousin. > > Would just love to know how they are connected. > Regards > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just come across Silvester Treleaven's Diary on the Moretonhampstead History Society website and it is a fascinating glimpse of what life was like in the Napoleonic War period with militia marching in and out of town, visits by the press gang etc.  Well worth a look if you haven't already found it and you might find a mention of an ancestor if they are from Moretonhampstead (especially if they died during the period!)  It also mentions people and events in other places in Devon.  It has some amusing incidents among the lists of deaths. http://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/texts/sources/trelchron.ghtml   Merry Christmas everybody,   Joy

Hi Bev , can`t do any better than Tim, nothing on the Britishnewspapersarchive for any of them and yet George Reed S left a sizeable fortune when he died . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:07 AM Subject: [DEV] George Reed Searle & Elizabeth Agnes Butler > Afternoon, > > Seeing as I like to know everything, I am now fishing for George Reed > SEARLE > who married Elizabeth Agnes BUTLER at Exeter R/D Mar Q 1867. > > Some how or other he is a cousin to Arthur Ambrose SEARLE who just > happened > to die in Queensland in 1953 and is buried in Brisbane. > > A Newspaper article in the London Gazette in 1935 re [Chancery Court] the > Estate of George Reed Searle...........enquiries are being made as to > whether he is dead or alive and to the whereabouts of Arthur Ambrose > SEARLE, > his cousin. > > Would just love to know how they are connected. > Regards > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Tim, Milton Ambrose SEARLE had a brother George William SEARLE, G.W. was a witness to the marriage when he [Milton] married ELLIS in 1881, so George Reed SEARLE is not the brother of Milton unless two brothers named George. I loose track of George William aft 1881, there are so many George SEARLE'S abt. I thought he might have be the William George SEARLE who married in Toowoomba, Qld in 1901 but we have now sorted that and he is not the same person. That is not to say he is not another George SEARLE as they are quite abundant in Queensland, Australia as well. I really do not have access to American records as such and have done very little research over there other than to Google names. Seems I have my work cut out trying to find George Reed SEARLE. I do have a short extract of his Will from the Ancestry Index. His probate goes to Accountant Frederick Halsall which does not tell me a thing. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:56 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] George Reed Searle & Elizabeth Agnes Butler > Hi Bev, > On just a quick look, if i have the right families then > > Arthur Ambrose SEARLE b abt 1876 in Plymouth > the son of Milton Ambrose SEARLE b abt 1847 USA bied 1901 in Plymouth > Milton Ambrose was first married in London in 1868 to Ann Elizabeth > ELLIS his father is given as George Elliot SEARLE both he and his father > are Jewellers. > > George Reed SEARLE was b abt 1844 in Kingston, Canada West died 1914 in > Liverpool > > both Milton SEARLE and George SEARLE left Wills. But without getting > copy of George Reed SEARLE's marriage certificate and/or copy of their > will's cannot say how related but George SEARLE quite possibly brother > to Milton Ambrose SEARLE. > > Will have a better look tomorrow when i have more time, but looks like a > loft of America and Canada records to search to prove relationships. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 20/12/2013 05:07, B. Edmonds wrote: >> Afternoon, >> >> Seeing as I like to know everything, I am now fishing for George Reed >> SEARLE >> who married Elizabeth Agnes BUTLER at Exeter R/D Mar Q 1867. >> >> Some how or other he is a cousin to Arthur Ambrose SEARLE who just >> happened >> to die in Queensland in 1953 and is buried in Brisbane. >> >> A Newspaper article in the London Gazette in 1935 re [Chancery Court] the >> Estate of George Reed Searle...........enquiries are being made as to >> whether he is dead or alive and to the whereabouts of Arthur Ambrose >> SEARLE, >> his cousin. >> >> Would just love to know how they are connected. >> Regards >> Bev >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6437 - Release Date: 12/20/13 >

OOPS, how confusing is this. I think I have it all around the wrong way. " An enquiry whether Arthur Ambrose SEARLE who was a cousin of the above named testater, George Reed SEARLE, is living or dead, and if dead when he died, and if he died since the death of the testater, who are his personal representives etc " -------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:07 PM To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] George Reed Searle & Elizabeth Agnes Butler > Afternoon, > > Seeing as I like to know everything, I am now fishing for George Reed > SEARLE > who married Elizabeth Agnes BUTLER at Exeter R/D Mar Q 1867. > > Some how or other he is a cousin to Arthur Ambrose SEARLE who just > happened > to die in Queensland in 1953 and is buried in Brisbane. > > A Newspaper article in the London Gazette in 1935 re [Chancery Court] the > Estate of George Reed Searle...........enquiries are being made as to > whether he is dead or alive and to the whereabouts of Arthur Ambrose > SEARLE, > his cousin. > > Would just love to know how they are connected. > Regards > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6437 - Release Date: 12/20/13 >

Hi Bev, On just a quick look, if i have the right families then Arthur Ambrose SEARLE b abt 1876 in Plymouth the son of Milton Ambrose SEARLE b abt 1847 USA bied 1901 in Plymouth Milton Ambrose was first married in London in 1868 to Ann Elizabeth ELLIS his father is given as George Elliot SEARLE both he and his father are Jewellers. George Reed SEARLE was b abt 1844 in Kingston, Canada West died 1914 in Liverpool both Milton SEARLE and George SEARLE left Wills. But without getting copy of George Reed SEARLE's marriage certificate and/or copy of their will's cannot say how related but George SEARLE quite possibly brother to Milton Ambrose SEARLE. Will have a better look tomorrow when i have more time, but looks like a loft of America and Canada records to search to prove relationships. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 20/12/2013 05:07, B. Edmonds wrote: > Afternoon, > > Seeing as I like to know everything, I am now fishing for George Reed SEARLE > who married Elizabeth Agnes BUTLER at Exeter R/D Mar Q 1867. > > Some how or other he is a cousin to Arthur Ambrose SEARLE who just happened > to die in Queensland in 1953 and is buried in Brisbane. > > A Newspaper article in the London Gazette in 1935 re [Chancery Court] the > Estate of George Reed Searle...........enquiries are being made as to > whether he is dead or alive and to the whereabouts of Arthur Ambrose SEARLE, > his cousin. > > Would just love to know how they are connected. > Regards > Bev >

____________________________________ Hello List, We have traced our HOLMES ancestry to Harpford Parish, Devon, where a Robert HOLMES married a Mary Bishop, 15 April, 1770. Their children: Thomas 1771 - 1850; Elizabeth 1772 - 1772; Ann 1773; John 1776 - 1844; Robert 1778; James 1782 Both Thomas and James went over to Seaton/Beer Parish, Devon, where James married Lucy Puttam, 1808, and Thomas married Ann Batstone Miller (Widow), 1801. Ann died and he later married Mary Ann Drew, of Colyton Parish. Thomas and Ann had: Thomas - 1802; James - 1804; Mary Ann - 1806 - Robert 1808. Thomas and Mary Ann had: Elizabeth 1816 - 1883; Willaim 1817; Noah 1819 - 1900; Fannie Bishop 1821 -: John 1823 - ; Henry Bishop - 1825; Joseph - 1828; Charlotte - 1835 James and Lucy had: Elizabeth - 1809 - 1866; Robert - 1811; Lucy - 1815 - 1891; James - 1816 - 1882; Wiliam Puttam - 1818 - 1875; Mary 1820; Thomas - 1822; Charlotte 1825 - 1892; Samuel 1826 - 1826; Sarah - 1827 John Holmes married Hannah Patch of Venn Ottery,Devon and they had several children, in Harpford, and Venn Ottery. No additional information discovered regarding Robert Holmes, son of Robert and Mary, Nee Bishop. Any ideas, information, contacts, will be very much appreciated. Thanks for your reply. Regards, Wayne Stewart Holmes, DFHS #921 ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Afternoon, Seeing as I like to know everything, I am now fishing for George Reed SEARLE who married Elizabeth Agnes BUTLER at Exeter R/D Mar Q 1867. Some how or other he is a cousin to Arthur Ambrose SEARLE who just happened to die in Queensland in 1953 and is buried in Brisbane. A Newspaper article in the London Gazette in 1935 re [Chancery Court] the Estate of George Reed Searle...........enquiries are being made as to whether he is dead or alive and to the whereabouts of Arthur Ambrose SEARLE, his cousin. Would just love to know how they are connected. Regards Bev

Hello List, We have traced our HOLMES ancestry to Harpford Parish, Devon, where a Robert HOLMES married a Mary Bishop, 15 April, 1770. Their children: Thomas 1771 - 1850; Elizabeth 1772 - 1772; Ann 1773; John 1776 - 1844; Robert 1778; James 1782 Both Thomas and James went over to Seaton/Beer Parish, Devon, where James married Lucy Puttam, 1808, and Thomas married Ann Batstone Miller (Widow), 1801. Ann died and he later married Mary Ann Drew, of Colyton Parish. Thomas and Ann had: Thomas - 1802; James - 1804; Mary Ann - 1806 - Robert 1808. Thomas and Mary Ann had: Elizabeth 1816 - 1883; Willaim 1817; Noah 1819 - 1900; Fannie Bishop 1821 -: John 1823 - ; Henry Bishop - 1825; Joseph - 1828; Charlotte - 1835 James and Lucy had: Elizabeth - 1809 - 1866; Robert - 1811; Lucy - 1815 - 1891; James - 1816 - 1882; Wiliam Puttam - 1818 - 1875; Mary 1820; Thomas - 1822; Charlotte 1825 - 1892; Samuel 1826 - 1826; Sarah - 1827 John Holmes married Hannah Patch of Venn Ottery,Devon and they had several children, in Harpford, and Venn Ottery. No additional information discovered regarding Robert Holmes, son of Robert and Mary, Nee Bishop. Any ideas, information, contacts, will be very much appreciated. Thanks for your reply. Regards, Wayne Stewart Holmes, DFHS #921 ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Elizabeth, I will look when we go back next year. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:01 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS > Hi Bev, yes I imagine that LDS will have it but got > these pages on Ancestry`s WW1 service records , and what sad reading it > made > too . poor chap . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS > > >> Hi Elizabeth >> >> What a great find, thank you. >> And, what a sad tale, I never knew any of this. Was all this on FMP, I >> can >> look for the records next year when I go back to LDS? Hopefully get a >> printed copy. >> >> I can now try to see what happened to Minnie. Goodness I am all at sea >> now. >> Minnie was Arnold's 2nd cousin twice removed. >> Thanks again so much Elizabeth. >> >> Bev >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:57 PM >> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS >> >>> Hi Bev. in a way you are right , they did emigrate >>> but >>> only as far as Wales . >>> The 1911 for Swansea shows Wm Sam King, 30, house >>> painter, b Totnes, with Minnie , 26, b Dartington, married 2 yrs , no >>> children. living at 16 Norfolk St, Mt Pleasant , Swansea . >>> William Samuel joined the Labour Corps from 78 >>> Rhondda >>> St , Swansea aged 35 yrs 5 mnths , he is 5ft 5 inches, has blue eyes and >>> fair hair , his chest measurement is 34 1/2 inches and he has no >>> distinctive marks , he was a painter , and married with one child . 1st >>> Dec >>> 1915. His wife Minnie Edmunds King whom he married in Staverton on >>> June >>> 8th 1908, is his next of kin and his child is Leslie William b Oct 15th >>> 1912. There is a further note asking for his correct Labour Corps >>> number, >>> saying he was transferred from 5th Bedford Regt Agric Coy on 11th April >>> 1917. He was discharged " no longer physically fit for war service" in >>> Dec >>> 1917 . and seems to have been in hospital in Chatham , his character >>> is >>> good. His disability is given the number 164. By July 1918 the widow >>> of >>> Pte William S King is awarded a pension of 20/5 a week for herself and >>> one >>> child following the cessation of Pte King`s payment. " I am directed >>> by >>> the Ministry of Pensions to inform you that the death of 179850 Pte Wm S >>> King , 337 H S Coy , Labour Corps is regarded as due to disease >>> contracted >>> on or commencing on active service . " . >>> Sadly it seems from another page of these records >>> that >>> disability 164 is " General paralysis of insane". Further it >>> originated >>> in >>> Sept 1917, at Chatham, he was " admitted to Fort Pitt 25 Oct 1917, very >>> talkative, noisy, ? in a state of mental disease sisnce admission, he >>> has >>> developed exalted and grandiose ideas and is difficult to restrain . " >>> A >>> further note says that the disability was not so caused by war service >>> but >>> was constitutional . >>> A sad tale ....do you know what happened to Minnie >>> and >>> her son ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> >>> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:40 AM >>> Subject: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS >>> >>> >>>> Afternoon all, >>>> >>>> Revisiting old brick walls in the hope that someone has seen this >>>> couple. >>>> >>>> William Samuel KING married Minnie EDMONDS Totnes R/D 1908. >>>> >>>> My last sighting of her was in 1901 when she was a Domestic for >>>> Frederick >>>> P. >>>> Wakeham at West Alvington. In her mother's Will she is granted Probate >>>> in >>>> 1916 so I know she was alive then. >>>> >>>> She was born in Dartington 1884. Did they immigrate?? >>>> >>>> Also, anyone know who William Samuel King is? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bev >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>>> and >>>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6428 - Release Date: >>> 12/17/13 >>> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6431 - Release Date: 12/18/13 >

Hi Bev On the hi-lited bit below, does it say prisoner or inmate as it could be the Poor House if an inmate. The Poor House was at Plymouth North. Regards Terry Blackmore -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:06 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Lucy Augusta EDMONDS and Albert Edward SHUTE Afternoon all, Here is another one of my tricky sticky brick walls that I have been unable to solve. Hope someone can shed some light on this, especially the SHUTE name collectors. Albert Edward SHUTE 1878, Stonehouse Lucy Augusta EDMONDS 1878 Plymouth Married 1897 at East Stonehouse [do not have date/church] The image for 1911 has a Lucy SHUTE [with what looks like the letter A scratched through] aged 32 married 12 years [abt right] with 8 children, 5 still alive with 3 deceased. BUT.............She is a Prisoner at Plymouth North [now where would that be?] and what on earth has she been up to? Is this my Lucy?? I have about 5 children all born East Stonehouse I think!! William Ewart [with his grandmother in 1911] Edith Born Mar 1899 died Jun 1899 Albert c 1900 [with grandmother in 1911] Herbert Henry born Jun Q 1900 [Herbert died Mar Q 1899 [before he was born, so cannot be same Herbert] Was he a twin to Edith? Victor Edmonds 1903 [with his grandmother in 1911] That make 5........ where/who are the others. When did Albert Edward Shute die? And what happened to poor Lucy aft 1911. I am really hoping the SHUTE people have been more clever than me and have sorted all this. Regards Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This also might be of use to Plymouth Researchers http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/homepage/creativityandculture/archives/researchguides/churchregistersindex/cemeterymortuaryworkhouse.htm -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:06 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Lucy Augusta EDMONDS and Albert Edward SHUTE Afternoon all, Here is another one of my tricky sticky brick walls that I have been unable to solve. Hope someone can shed some light on this, especially the SHUTE name collectors. Albert Edward SHUTE 1878, Stonehouse Lucy Augusta EDMONDS 1878 Plymouth Married 1897 at East Stonehouse [do not have date/church] The image for 1911 has a Lucy SHUTE [with what looks like the letter A scratched through] aged 32 married 12 years [abt right] with 8 children, 5 still alive with 3 deceased. BUT.............She is a Prisoner at Plymouth North [now where would that be?] and what on earth has she been up to? Is this my Lucy?? I have about 5 children all born East Stonehouse I think!! William Ewart [with his grandmother in 1911] Edith Born Mar 1899 died Jun 1899 Albert c 1900 [with grandmother in 1911] Herbert Henry born Jun Q 1900 [Herbert died Mar Q 1899 [before he was born, so cannot be same Herbert] Was he a twin to Edith? Victor Edmonds 1903 [with his grandmother in 1911] That make 5........ where/who are the others. When did Albert Edward Shute die? And what happened to poor Lucy aft 1911. I am really hoping the SHUTE people have been more clever than me and have sorted all this. Regards Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Couple of interesting sites http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Plymouth/ http://www.plymouthdata.info/Prisons.htm -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:06 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Lucy Augusta EDMONDS and Albert Edward SHUTE Afternoon all, Here is another one of my tricky sticky brick walls that I have been unable to solve. Hope someone can shed some light on this, especially the SHUTE name collectors. Albert Edward SHUTE 1878, Stonehouse Lucy Augusta EDMONDS 1878 Plymouth Married 1897 at East Stonehouse [do not have date/church] The image for 1911 has a Lucy SHUTE [with what looks like the letter A scratched through] aged 32 married 12 years [abt right] with 8 children, 5 still alive with 3 deceased. BUT.............She is a Prisoner at Plymouth North [now where would that be?] and what on earth has she been up to? Is this my Lucy?? I have about 5 children all born East Stonehouse I think!! William Ewart [with his grandmother in 1911] Edith Born Mar 1899 died Jun 1899 Albert c 1900 [with grandmother in 1911] Herbert Henry born Jun Q 1900 [Herbert died Mar Q 1899 [before he was born, so cannot be same Herbert] Was he a twin to Edith? Victor Edmonds 1903 [with his grandmother in 1911] That make 5........ where/who are the others. When did Albert Edward Shute die? And what happened to poor Lucy aft 1911. I am really hoping the SHUTE people have been more clever than me and have sorted all this. Regards Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Afternoon all, Here is another one of my tricky sticky brick walls that I have been unable to solve. Hope someone can shed some light on this, especially the SHUTE name collectors. Albert Edward SHUTE 1878, Stonehouse Lucy Augusta EDMONDS 1878 Plymouth Married 1897 at East Stonehouse [do not have date/church] The image for 1911 has a Lucy SHUTE [with what looks like the letter A scratched through] aged 32 married 12 years [abt right] with 8 children, 5 still alive with 3 deceased. BUT.............She is a Prisoner at Plymouth North [now where would that be?] and what on earth has she been up to? Is this my Lucy?? I have about 5 children all born East Stonehouse I think!! William Ewart [with his grandmother in 1911] Edith Born Mar 1899 died Jun 1899 Albert c 1900 [with grandmother in 1911] Herbert Henry born Jun Q 1900 [Herbert died Mar Q 1899 [before he was born, so cannot be same Herbert] Was he a twin to Edith? Victor Edmonds 1903 [with his grandmother in 1911] That make 5........ where/who are the others. When did Albert Edward Shute die? And what happened to poor Lucy aft 1911. I am really hoping the SHUTE people have been more clever than me and have sorted all this. Regards Bev

Hi Bev, yes I imagine that LDS will have it but got these pages on Ancestry`s WW1 service records , and what sad reading it made too . poor chap . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS > Hi Elizabeth > > What a great find, thank you. > And, what a sad tale, I never knew any of this. Was all this on FMP, I > can > look for the records next year when I go back to LDS? Hopefully get a > printed copy. > > I can now try to see what happened to Minnie. Goodness I am all at sea > now. > Minnie was Arnold's 2nd cousin twice removed. > Thanks again so much Elizabeth. > > Bev > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:57 PM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS > >> Hi Bev. in a way you are right , they did emigrate >> but >> only as far as Wales . >> The 1911 for Swansea shows Wm Sam King, 30, house >> painter, b Totnes, with Minnie , 26, b Dartington, married 2 yrs , no >> children. living at 16 Norfolk St, Mt Pleasant , Swansea . >> William Samuel joined the Labour Corps from 78 Rhondda >> St , Swansea aged 35 yrs 5 mnths , he is 5ft 5 inches, has blue eyes and >> fair hair , his chest measurement is 34 1/2 inches and he has no >> distinctive marks , he was a painter , and married with one child . 1st >> Dec >> 1915. His wife Minnie Edmunds King whom he married in Staverton on June >> 8th 1908, is his next of kin and his child is Leslie William b Oct 15th >> 1912. There is a further note asking for his correct Labour Corps >> number, >> saying he was transferred from 5th Bedford Regt Agric Coy on 11th April >> 1917. He was discharged " no longer physically fit for war service" in >> Dec >> 1917 . and seems to have been in hospital in Chatham , his character >> is >> good. His disability is given the number 164. By July 1918 the widow >> of >> Pte William S King is awarded a pension of 20/5 a week for herself and >> one >> child following the cessation of Pte King`s payment. " I am directed >> by >> the Ministry of Pensions to inform you that the death of 179850 Pte Wm S >> King , 337 H S Coy , Labour Corps is regarded as due to disease >> contracted >> on or commencing on active service . " . >> Sadly it seems from another page of these records that >> disability 164 is " General paralysis of insane". Further it originated >> in >> Sept 1917, at Chatham, he was " admitted to Fort Pitt 25 Oct 1917, very >> talkative, noisy, ? in a state of mental disease sisnce admission, he >> has >> developed exalted and grandiose ideas and is difficult to restrain . " A >> further note says that the disability was not so caused by war service >> but >> was constitutional . >> A sad tale ....do you know what happened to Minnie and >> her son ? >> >> >> >> >> >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> >> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:40 AM >> Subject: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS >> >> >>> Afternoon all, >>> >>> Revisiting old brick walls in the hope that someone has seen this >>> couple. >>> >>> William Samuel KING married Minnie EDMONDS Totnes R/D 1908. >>> >>> My last sighting of her was in 1901 when she was a Domestic for >>> Frederick >>> P. >>> Wakeham at West Alvington. In her mother's Will she is granted Probate >>> in >>> 1916 so I know she was alive then. >>> >>> She was born in Dartington 1884. Did they immigrate?? >>> >>> Also, anyone know who William Samuel King is? >>> >>> Regards >>> Bev >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6428 - Release Date: 12/17/13 >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you looked at find my past special collections? Albert's bptwhich also gives dob on there not looked at anything else. Sent from my iPad > On 18 Dec 2013, at 05:06, "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > > Afternoon all, > > Here is another one of my tricky sticky brick walls that I have been unable > to solve. > > Hope someone can shed some light on this, especially the SHUTE name > collectors. > > Albert Edward SHUTE 1878, Stonehouse > Lucy Augusta EDMONDS 1878 Plymouth > Married 1897 at East Stonehouse [do not have date/church] > > > The image for 1911 has a Lucy SHUTE [with what looks like the letter A > scratched through] aged 32 married 12 years [abt right] with 8 children, 5 > still alive with 3 deceased. > BUT.............She is a Prisoner at Plymouth North [now where would that > be?] and what on earth has she been up to? > Is this my Lucy?? > > I have about 5 children all born East Stonehouse I think!! > William Ewart [with his grandmother in 1911] > Edith Born Mar 1899 died Jun 1899 > Albert c 1900 [with grandmother in 1911] > Herbert Henry born Jun Q 1900 [Herbert died Mar Q 1899 [before he was born, > so cannot be same Herbert] Was he a twin to Edith? > Victor Edmonds 1903 [with his grandmother in 1911] > > That make 5........ where/who are the others. When did Albert Edward Shute > die? And what happened to poor Lucy aft 1911. > I am really hoping the SHUTE people have been more clever than me and have > sorted all this. > > Regards > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elizabeth What a great find, thank you. And, what a sad tale, I never knew any of this. Was all this on FMP, I can look for the records next year when I go back to LDS? Hopefully get a printed copy. I can now try to see what happened to Minnie. Goodness I am all at sea now. Minnie was Arnold's 2nd cousin twice removed. Thanks again so much Elizabeth. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:57 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS > Hi Bev. in a way you are right , they did emigrate > but > only as far as Wales . > The 1911 for Swansea shows Wm Sam King, 30, house > painter, b Totnes, with Minnie , 26, b Dartington, married 2 yrs , no > children. living at 16 Norfolk St, Mt Pleasant , Swansea . > William Samuel joined the Labour Corps from 78 Rhondda > St , Swansea aged 35 yrs 5 mnths , he is 5ft 5 inches, has blue eyes and > fair hair , his chest measurement is 34 1/2 inches and he has no > distinctive marks , he was a painter , and married with one child . 1st > Dec > 1915. His wife Minnie Edmunds King whom he married in Staverton on June > 8th 1908, is his next of kin and his child is Leslie William b Oct 15th > 1912. There is a further note asking for his correct Labour Corps > number, > saying he was transferred from 5th Bedford Regt Agric Coy on 11th April > 1917. He was discharged " no longer physically fit for war service" in > Dec > 1917 . and seems to have been in hospital in Chatham , his character is > good. His disability is given the number 164. By July 1918 the widow > of > Pte William S King is awarded a pension of 20/5 a week for herself and one > child following the cessation of Pte King`s payment. " I am directed by > the Ministry of Pensions to inform you that the death of 179850 Pte Wm S > King , 337 H S Coy , Labour Corps is regarded as due to disease > contracted > on or commencing on active service . " . > Sadly it seems from another page of these records that > disability 164 is " General paralysis of insane". Further it originated > in > Sept 1917, at Chatham, he was " admitted to Fort Pitt 25 Oct 1917, very > talkative, noisy, ? in a state of mental disease sisnce admission, he has > developed exalted and grandiose ideas and is difficult to restrain . " A > further note says that the disability was not so caused by war service but > was constitutional . > A sad tale ....do you know what happened to Minnie and > her son ? > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:40 AM > Subject: [DEV] William Samuel KING and Minnie EDMONDS > > >> Afternoon all, >> >> Revisiting old brick walls in the hope that someone has seen this couple. >> >> William Samuel KING married Minnie EDMONDS Totnes R/D 1908. >> >> My last sighting of her was in 1901 when she was a Domestic for Frederick >> P. >> Wakeham at West Alvington. In her mother's Will she is granted Probate >> in >> 1916 so I know she was alive then. >> >> She was born in Dartington 1884. Did they immigrate?? >> >> Also, anyone know who William Samuel King is? >> >> Regards >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6428 - Release Date: 12/17/13 >

Afternoon all, Revisiting old brick walls in the hope that someone has seen this couple. William Samuel KING married Minnie EDMONDS Totnes R/D 1908. My last sighting of her was in 1901 when she was a Domestic for Frederick P. Wakeham at West Alvington. In her mother's Will she is granted Probate in 1916 so I know she was alive then. She was born in Dartington 1884. Did they immigrate?? Also, anyone know who William Samuel King is? Regards Bev