I would hope, Elizabeth, that you're not affiliated with DFHS in any way -- I would think they would be rather embarrassed at your remarks. I had been, previous to your remarks, strongly considering joining the DFHS and purchasing some CD's. However, I've come to realize that there are some overly-sensitive and emotional people behind it, and I just don't need that material badly enough to deal with that kind of behavior. You think you understand my intentions, but you don't. You fail to realize that you attach your own emotions to my words. You may picture me sneering, fuming, foaming at the mouth, even, as I pound my little keyboard with antagonistic fervor. You don't take the time to think about what my thoughts, feelings, or intentions might have been. It doesn't appear that you give much thought to your own words, either, or how they will be received. Words are difficult. I don't profess to have perfect command of them. Even if I did, you would still interpret them in your own way, attaching your own meaning to them, whether or not you are correct. We all do to some degree. That is both the greatest weakness and the greatest strength of this form of communication. But I digress. I would wholeheartedly agree, based on my limited experience, that, as you say, Devon does indeed have the best online resources of any county. However, it is not perfect... And that's perfectly understandable and acceptable. The amount of information available now has taken decades, centuries even, countless hours and sometimes entire lives devoted to preserve, protect, and make available. I don't take that lightly. And yet, as hard as we try, no matter how many hours we dedicate to the cause, there will never be a perfect record as long as imperfect beings are the curators and stewards of it. And though we have countless reasons to rejoice in what we do have, am I behaving unjustly to lament at that which is lost to the ravages of time? Or to bemoan the fact that records DO exist, but are out of reach? Some feel I was out of place to express my deep disappointment at not being able to find an index of a parish that is critical to my research. Some have experienced this themselves and can relate. Some, such as yourself, chose to take it personally, perhaps feeling a sense of embarrassment that I exposed some imperfection. That's a natural reaction, and I don't hold it against you. However, as I explained in my last post, it was never my intention to offend, and I sincerely apologized if I had unintentionally done so. If you don't want to accept my apology, that's your choice. The only person that harms is yourself. I hope you can allow yourself to let go of your animosity and enjoy the rest of your Christmas. At least you got a box of chocolates. Some people didn't get anything... But I can still be happy. I hope you can too. Merry Christmas everyone. Blaine > On Dec 25, 2013, at 4:00 AM, "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi, I should be munching through the first of many boxes of Christmas chocs, but am so incensed at your remarks about DFHS website and organisation that I have to say you are completely wrong Of all the counties in England , Devon has probably the best online resources of any . Your best bet is to buy the cd of the Deanery of Plympton giving the bmb of those parishes which include Brixton, Plymstock and Plympton ....It is perfectly clear what is on the cd from the various parish pages on genuki which list exhaustively the dates and events covered for each parish . This below is on the Briston genuki page. > An index of baptisms, marriages and burials in the Deanery of Plympton. with photographs of the churches and extracts from White's Devonshire Directory 1850 and The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868), CD-ROM, Exeter, Devon FHS (2007). [Brixton: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Cornwood: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1838), Ermington: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1838), Bur (1813-1837 ), Harford: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1755-1837), Bur (1813-1838), Holbeton: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Ivybridge: Bapt (1835-1840), Mar (1835-1840), Bur (1836-1840), Kingston: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1836), Bur (1813-1837), Modbury: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Newton Ferrers: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1836), Bur (1813-1837)), North Huish: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plympton St. Mary: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plympton St. Mau! rice: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plymstock: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Revelstoke: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Shaugh Prior: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1835), Ugborough: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1841), Bur (1813-1837), Wembury: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1612-1837), Bur (1813-1840), Yealmpton: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837)] > And not everything survived , you seem to believe that all pieces of paper survived from a couple of hundred years ago . They didn`t . And your illegitimate ancestor was one of tens of thousands of similarly born children . If there are no bastardy orders for Brixton then perhaps it hasn`t survived or perhaps the father agreed privately to provide or the family had sufficient to bring up the child without parish help . There are endless permutations . > You ask for more suggestions and mine , not very Christmassy , would be to forget this quest for what may be a non

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Well, unfortunately they have misled you. I checked before I made my posting as I have Brixton ancestors from that time frame – the records are there. As an example – Rebecca WEST bapt 28 Mar 1790 Brixton, and Joseph WEST bapt 8 Oct 1758 Plymstock – both shown as Plymouth baptisms until you click on the actual record. Regards, Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES From: Blaine Sanders [mailto:utvairs@yahoo.com] Sent: 24 December 2013 22:09 To: Deborah O'Brien; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Finding Corroborating Evidence... Dear Deborah, I sense I have ruffled your feathers a bit. I sincerely apologize for that. I did not mean to sound critical. I am overwhelmed with the vast amount of information available -- so much so that at times I feel like I don't know where to begin. I am sure that in time I will get the hang of it, but for now I am a frazzled mess just trying to keep all these sources straight in my head. I have a hard time remembering what information came from what site, and so on. I do honestly find the DFHS site really difficult. I'm sorry if anyone is offended by that. It's great that it has won awards, that is something to be proud of. And compared to many other genealogy sites, it is better than a fair number of them. However, from the viewpoint of a professional website developer who is very keen on UI and UX (that's me), I think it could stand to be improved. But in all honesty, nearly every website on the planet falls under that category. Now, to back up my allegations RE: FMP not having the Brixton parish covering 1727 - 1812... I first presented this question to FMP directly, as I was unable to find records I knew were in that specific register. They themselves, along with the DRO, both assured me that FMP had this register indexed. However, after several rounds back and forth with FMP support, they finally admitted the following: Dear Blaine Thank you for your reply and this information. Although we do have parish records available for Brixton available on the site, the period in time that you require have not yet been added to our Plymouth and West Devon Collection. Kind Regards, Liam Kelly Findmypast Support Team =============================== As you stated: > With two of your parishes of interest further described: > Brixton > Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 So you see, not even the DFHS has indexed the 1727 - 1812 register. I don't understand why or how this register could have been neglected by seemingly everyone. But at least, I hope you can now see why I have had such a hard time with my research... Please accept my apologies. I sincerely appreciate all the help and knowledge I have gained from this list and all the websites and data that so many people have given their lives over to. I would also like you all to know that I'm not just a leech here suckering off all of you. I index regularly for FamilySearch, and am also currently volunteering on the FreeCEN project. I even offered to index the 1727 - 1812 Brixton register for FMP, and they are giving me the run-around... so whatever. In January, I am ordering the fiche from DRO, and maybe I'll just index it myself. Kind Regards, Blaine On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:46 AM, Deborah O'Brien <deborahobrien166@btinternet.com> wrote: You are incorrect when you state that FMP does not have registers 1727-1812. They are there, but FMPs search engine lists the parish as Plymouth. When you click on a name of interest, up pops the parish of Brixton under the dedication heading. Similarly for Plymstock. As to the DFHS website (which, might I add has won numerous Federation of Family History Society best website awards over the years), if you go to http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/product_list.php?cat_id=5 <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/product_list.php?cat_id=5> and click on the link for the Deanery of Plympton, you will find that the following is shown: An index of baptisms, marriages and burials in the parishes of Brixton, Cornwood, Ermington, Harford, Holbeton, Ivybridge, Kingston, Modbury, Newton Ferrers, North Huish, Plympton St. Mary, Plympton St. Maurice, Plymstock, Revelstoke, Shaugh Prior, Ugborough, Wembury and Yealmpton. With photographs of the churches and extracts from White's Devonshire Directory 1850 and The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868). With two of your parishes of interest further described: Brixton Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Plymstock Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Regards, Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES

Blaine, I am somewhat dismayed at your comments about the Devon Family History Society and its' web site. Please tell me what information is missing from the web site and why you consider it poorly done. All the information about the CDs that the Society produces is clearly shown in the shop- the contents may be obtained by clicking on the "View full description" link. I am sorry you never got a reply to an email, that is something we take seriously- if you could tell us when the email was sent I will look into it after the Christmas break. All our volunteers work very hard to ensure that we produce information that is of use to family historians, that is our aim - if we didn't we would not be the largest (by membership) Family History Society in the UK. Please note that the Society is 100% volunteer run, it has no paid employees. NOT everything is online but more is being added regularly both to our members' area and to Find My Past. As to the search for court documents etc. not everything has survived, what there is will be in one of the three Record Offices in Devon, for Plymstock and area you need to be looking at the Plymouth & West Devon Record Office, which has its' own online catalogue at http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/archivescatalogue. Terry Leaman Vice-Chairman Devon FHS- working from home. On 24/12/2013 18:25, Blaine Sanders wrote: > Thank you to all who have given me excellent advice on this subject. Most of the suggestions I have already tried without success. I have searched A2A exhaustively, and only come up with 1 entry that may possibly be related. I am specifically looking for court documents to try and prove or disprove parentage of an illegitimate child, born either in Brixton or Plymstock in 1772 - 1774. This catalogue seems to be what I need for Brixton: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=028-723&cid=0#0 but it doesn't go back far enough. I can't seem to find a like collection for Plymstock. > > I have found nothing on GENUKI for the parishes I am interested in. None of them have an OPC that I am aware of, unless they fall under a larger parish. I have googled my heart out looking for a searchable index of the Brixton registry covering 1727 - 1812, to no avail. Neither FamilySearch nor FMP have this registry. > > All I have left to try, as near as I can tell, are the paid sources. I looked into the DFHS some time ago, I think they might have some information that would be useful to me... But their website is poorly done, and doesn't give enough information. I seem to recall sending an email asking for more information on what is contained on the CD's they offer, and never got a reply back. > > I have learned that I can access Ancestry.com for free through my local LDS FH library, but I haven't yet had the opportunity to get there. > > THanks for all the help. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. > > Sincerely, > Blaine > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

You are incorrect when you state that FMP does not have registers 1727-1812. They are there, but FMPs search engine lists the parish as Plymouth. When you click on a name of interest, up pops the parish of Brixton under the dedication heading. Similarly for Plymstock. As to the DFHS website (which, might I add has won numerous Federation of Family History Society best website awards over the years), if you go to http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/product_list.php?cat_id=5 and click on the link for the Deanery of Plympton, you will find that the following is shown: An index of baptisms, marriages and burials in the parishes of Brixton, Cornwood, Ermington, Harford, Holbeton, Ivybridge, Kingston, Modbury, Newton Ferrers, North Huish, Plympton St. Mary, Plympton St. Maurice, Plymstock, Revelstoke, Shaugh Prior, Ugborough, Wembury and Yealmpton. With photographs of the churches and extracts from White's Devonshire Directory 1850 and The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868). With two of your parishes of interest further described: Brixton Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Plymstock Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Blaine Sanders Sent: 24 December 2013 18:25 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Finding Corroborating Evidence... Thank you to all who have given me excellent advice on this subject. Most of the suggestions I have already tried without success. I have searched A2A exhaustively, and only come up with 1 entry that may possibly be related. I am specifically looking for court documents to try and prove or disprove parentage of an illegitimate child, born either in Brixton or Plymstock in 1772 - 1774. This catalogue seems to be what I need for Brixton: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=028-723&cid =0#0 but it doesn't go back far enough. I can't seem to find a like collection for Plymstock. I have found nothing on GENUKI for the parishes I am interested in. None of them have an OPC that I am aware of, unless they fall under a larger parish. I have googled my heart out looking for a searchable index of the Brixton registry covering 1727 - 1812, to no avail. Neither FamilySearch nor FMP have this registry. All I have left to try, as near as I can tell, are the paid sources. I looked into the DFHS some time ago, I think they might have some information that would be useful to me... But their website is poorly done, and doesn't give enough information. I seem to recall sending an email asking for more information on what is contained on the CD's they offer, and never got a reply back. I have learned that I can access Ancestry.com for free through my local LDS FH library, but I haven't yet had the opportunity to get there. THanks for all the help. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Blaine ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christmas Greetings to all of you with Devon interests who post here, and to all those who answer with such goodwill, skill and knowledge. We really appreciate your contact with us through Devon-L, Genuki-Devon, Devon FHS's WWW Board, our website, shop, Facebook page, Twitter, Tree House and the Devon Family Historian. We wish you all every success with your Devon research in 2014. Of course, all this is only possible because of the dedicated efforts of all volunteers, who work tirelessly to support the Society and Genuki-Devon throughout the year. A very happy and peaceful Christmas to you all, and here's looking forward to a happy and healthy 2014. Maureen Maureen Selley Chairman, Devon FHS

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Hi,. just to throw my pennyworth in to this discussion, there is no simple answer to the finding of the ancestors.. It depends on the ancestors. Some were wealthy and will leave a good paper trail of wills, land transactions etc, some were middling and will some some traces, and some were at the bottom of the pile and leave almost no trace except that of their bapts marriages and burials and often their misdemeanours . However they did all travel for work , and the lure of a big town, market town close to their village will have encouraged them to move around . Devon`s major problem is the loss of the wills . But that aside everything else is available , and thanks to Brian Randell there are great many resources on genuki/devon including online parish clerks, transcriptions and links to other useful sites .. So if for instance you were to go to Parkham of which I am OPC , you would find my email address and I would be able to search the parish registers and other records for you . There is also a note about the dates of the parish registers and where they are available , for instance Parkham is also on IGI except the burials. The genuki page on Brixton for instance , says that it is 4 1/2 miles east of Plymouth , so you would need to add Plymouth to your list of possible parishes in which your ancestors might have lived and worked. The parish registers are not entered into IGI but DFHS has compiled a cd of bmb in the Deanery of Plympton which includes Brixton , Plympton and Plymstock , the marriages start in 1754. bapts and burials in 1813. The Devon Record Office has now got most of its records catalogued on the National Archives site A2A, and that is also worth searching . Go to www.nationalarchives/access to archives . And if you think its worth it go on to National Archives/Discovery which leads you to the main catalogue . . Devon Heritage Service , aka Devon Record Office, also has an online catalogue . So start with the above and in particular after Christmas do a DFHS surname search and buy the printout of all the marriages 1754- bapts and burials 1813- for the surnames you are interested in . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Sanders" <utvairs@yahoo.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: [DEV] Finding Corroborating Evidence... >I am quite new to genealogical research in England. I have learned a whole >lot from posting to and lurking on this list, as well as by getting my >hands dirty in the parish registers. I have been trying hard to piece >together some families in my ancestry, and am finding that it is quite rare >to be able to find enough information in the registers alone to be sure of >family structure. > > My ancestors came primarily from rural areas (Brixton, Plympton, > Plymstock), small parishes mostly, which makes things easier in some ways, > but harder in others. I've noticed that for the most part, the small > parishes are often neglected. One registry in particular that I have > ancestors in has never been indexed, as far as I can tell. I have searched > all the freely accessible indexes for wills that I can find, and have come > up empty. > >>From what I can tell, it seems like a much larger range of documents, such >>as wills, court records, etc are available for searching... IF you live in >>Devon. > > Many on this list seem to be very skilled at researching and finding these > other types of documents. My questions for the group are: > > 1. Which kinds of documents, or combination of documents (pre-1800's) tend > to be the most valuable in terms of the amount and kind of information > that would allow one to conclusively link a child to siblings and/or > parents? > > 2. Are there any paid sites that would have wills, court documents, > marriage certificates, settlement certificates, etc, available for > searching? Specifically, I'm looking for these types of documents for the > areas of Brixton, Plympton, Plymstock, and surrounding areas, for years > 1600 - 1800. > > 3. If these kind of records are not available on any paid sites, what > other means are there for obtaining these documents, assuming one does not > have a bunch of money to pay a researcher in the DRO? > > Many Thanks, > Blaine > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Deborah, I sense I have ruffled your feathers a bit. I sincerely apologize for that. I did not mean to sound critical. I am overwhelmed with the vast amount of information available -- so much so that at times I feel like I don't know where to begin. I am sure that in time I will get the hang of it, but for now I am a frazzled mess just trying to keep all these sources straight in my head. I have a hard time remembering what information came from what site, and so on.  I do honestly find the DFHS site really difficult. I'm sorry if anyone is offended by that. It's great that it has won awards, that is something to be proud of. And compared to many other genealogy sites, it is better than a fair number of them. However, from the viewpoint of a professional website developer who is very keen on UI and UX (that's me), I think it could stand to be improved. But in all honesty, nearly every website on the planet falls under that category. Now, to back up my allegations RE: FMP not having the Brixton parish covering 1727 - 1812... I first presented this question to FMP directly, as I was unable to find records I knew were in that specific register. They themselves, along with the DRO, both assured me that FMP had this register indexed. However, after several rounds back and forth with FMP support, they finally admitted the following: Dear Blaine Thank you for your reply and this information. Although we do have parish records available for Brixton available on the site, the period in time that you require have not yet been added to our Plymouth and West Devon Collection. Kind Regards, Liam Kelly Findmypast Support Team ===============================  As you stated: > With two of your parishes of interest further described: > Brixton > Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 So you see, not even the DFHS has indexed the 1727 - 1812 register. I don't understand why or how this register could have been neglected by seemingly everyone. But at least, I hope you can now see why I have had such a hard time with my research...  Please accept my apologies. I sincerely appreciate all the help and knowledge I have gained from this list and all the websites and data that so many people have given their lives over to.  I would also like you all to know that I'm not just a leech here suckering off all of you. I index regularly for FamilySearch, and am also currently volunteering on the FreeCEN project. I even offered to index the 1727 - 1812 Brixton register for FMP, and they are giving me the run-around... so whatever. In January, I am ordering the fiche from DRO, and maybe I'll just index it myself. Kind Regards, Blaine On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:46 AM, Deborah O'Brien <deborahobrien166@btinternet.com> wrote: You are incorrect when you state that FMP does not have registers 1727-1812. They are there, but FMPs search engine lists the parish as Plymouth. When you click on a name of interest, up pops the parish of Brixton under the dedication heading. Similarly for Plymstock. As to the DFHS website (which, might I add has won numerous Federation of Family History Society best website awards over the years), if you go to http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/product_list.php?cat_id=5 and click on the link for the Deanery of Plympton, you will find that the following is shown: An index of baptisms, marriages and burials in the parishes of Brixton, Cornwood, Ermington, Harford, Holbeton, Ivybridge, Kingston, Modbury, Newton Ferrers, North Huish, Plympton St. Mary, Plympton St. Maurice, Plymstock, Revelstoke, Shaugh Prior, Ugborough, Wembury and Yealmpton. With photographs of the churches and extracts from White's Devonshire Directory 1850 and The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868). With two of your parishes of interest further described: Brixton Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Plymstock Bapt: 1813-1839 Mar: 1754-1837 Bur: 1813-1837 Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES

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Thank you to all who have given me excellent advice on this subject. Most of the suggestions I have already tried without success. I have searched A2A exhaustively, and only come up with 1 entry that may possibly be related. I am specifically looking for court documents to try and prove or disprove parentage of an illegitimate child, born either in Brixton or Plymstock in 1772 - 1774. This catalogue seems to be what I need for Brixton: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=028-723&cid=0#0 but it doesn't go back far enough. I can't seem to find a like collection for Plymstock. I have found nothing on GENUKI for the parishes I am interested in. None of them have an OPC that I am aware of, unless they fall under a larger parish. I have googled my heart out looking for a searchable index of the Brixton registry covering 1727 - 1812, to no avail. Neither FamilySearch nor FMP have this registry. All I have left to try, as near as I can tell, are the paid sources. I looked into the DFHS some time ago, I think they might have some information that would be useful to me... But their website is poorly done, and doesn't give enough information. I seem to recall sending an email asking for more information on what is contained on the CD's they offer, and never got a reply back. I have learned that I can access Ancestry.com for free through my local LDS FH library, but I haven't yet had the opportunity to get there. THanks for all the help. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Blaine

Hi Blaine, It's worth seeing what the LDS has for the parishes in which you are interested. If there's an LDS Family History Centre within reach of where you live, you can hire microfilms and view them there. As for the question of which documents are most useful, I've found that it varies from parish to parish, since it often depends on just what has survived. Manorial records can be very good, but many have not survived, some are in private hands, and some are available but difficult to track down. The Manorial Documents Register may help. <www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/mdr> The "Parish Chest" documents can be very useful (Settlement examinations & certificates, Removal Orders, Filiation Orders, Apprenticeship indentures, etc.). If you can use online sources (Record Office catalogues, TNA Access to Archives (A2A), etc.) to identify the existence and location of these documents, then paying a researcher simply to look it up, copy it and email it to you may not be expensive. It's the searching that takes the time. Archive CD Books (www.archivecdbooks.org) can be a useful source of information for the County in which you have an interest. Family History Societies usually publish useful information and sometimes have a lookup facility. I'm not a member of the Devon Family History Society, so others may comment on the material that is available from that source. <www.devonfhs.org.uk> In terms of genealogical approaches, it tends to be best to attempt to reconstitute as much of your family of interest as possible. So don't just work backwards, follow siblings forwards to see whether any elderly relatives ended up living with them, for instance. This can firm up what may previously have been tentative theories. Also, don't forget Local History - what was happening at the time in the area. It may help to explain why a family moves. My great x4 grandfather, John QUAIL, was born in Hinckley, Leicestershire, but married a lass from Tiverton, Ann GOVIER, in the Parish Church of that town in 1821. When I eventually found out that he was a framesmith and that hundreds of people moved from Leicestershire to Tiverton following the relocation of John Heathcoat's lace factory from the former place to the latter, a light bulb went on in my head ! Hope this helps, Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Blaine Sanders Sent: 23 December 2013 21:43 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Finding Corroborating Evidence... I am quite new to genealogical research in England. I have learned a whole lot from posting to and lurking on this list, as well as by getting my hands dirty in the parish registers. I have been trying hard to piece together some families in my ancestry, and am finding that it is quite rare to be able to find enough information in the registers alone to be sure of family structure. My ancestors came primarily from rural areas (Brixton, Plympton, Plymstock), small parishes mostly, which makes things easier in some ways, but harder in others. I've noticed that for the most part, the small parishes are often neglected. One registry in particular that I have ancestors in has never been indexed, as far as I can tell. I have searched all the freely accessible indexes for wills that I can find, and have come up empty. >From what I can tell, it seems like a much larger range of documents, such as wills, court records, etc are available for searching... IF you live in Devon. Many on this list seem to be very skilled at researching and finding these other types of documents. My questions for the group are: 1. Which kinds of documents, or combination of documents (pre-1800's) tend to be the most valuable in terms of the amount and kind of information that would allow one to conclusively link a child to siblings and/or parents? 2. Are there any paid sites that would have wills, court documents, marriage certificates, settlement certificates, etc, available for searching? Specifically, I'm looking for these types of documents for the areas of Brixton, Plympton, Plymstock, and surrounding areas, for years 1600 - 1800. 3. If these kind of records are not available on any paid sites, what other means are there for obtaining these documents, assuming one does not have a bunch of money to pay a researcher in the DRO? Many Thanks, Blaine ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martha DOIDGE born c1854, Plymouth, Devon, married John Henry HANCOCK born c1851 Menheniot Cornwall, 31 July 1879 Plymouth, Devon... The marriage registration states that Martha's father's name is Richard DOIDGE and he is deceased at time of Martha's marriage... 1861 and 1871 Census both show a Martha DOIDGE with an age that fits the Martha above and born in Plymouth, Devon... Both the 1861 and 1871 Census reveals the 'Head' as a Mary DOIDGE. June quarter, 1847 reveals a marriage for a Richard DOIDGE and a Mary BALHATCHET in the District of Plymouth... Is this the Richard DOIDGE that shows as father on Martha's Marriage Registration? Is Mary BALHATCHET indeed the same 'Mary' that shows as Mary DOIDGE, Head, in both the 1861 and 1871 Census? There is a Martha Doidge, wife of John Henry HANCOCK buried at Anderson's Bay Cemetery, Dunedin, New Zealand... I believe this to be the above Martha DOIDGE... Can anyone verify that the parents of the above Martha HANCOCK nee DOIDGE are indeed Richard DOIDGE and Mary BALHATCHET? If anyone is researching this same family... Who are the parents of Richard DOIDGE?... i.e. Martha's paternal grandparents... Although my direct DOIDGE ancestors are from Cornwall and Devon and my direct HANCOCK ancestor is from Cornwall... I have not, as yet, connected the dots to either this John Henry HANCOCK or Martha DOIDGE... Hilton Doidge

Blaine, Your first stops should be: 1. GENUKI where you will find information on the particular Devon parishes. http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/ 2. Plympton has an OPC (me) who you can contact for assistance with the parish registers. Other parishes are at http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html 3. Devon Family History Society, which have many publications covering Devon parishes. http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/ 4. At the Family History Centres of the Church of Latter Day Saints you can look at films of the old registers. Contact the one nearest you to find out how. 5. Your local family history society may have many individuals who can help you get started. I’m afraid there is no substitute for going through the register information, often image by image, if you do not know much about the pedigrees of your ancestors. Once you get back beyond the middle 1800s it is not always easy to determine the true family relationships, even with the data. Sometimes you just have to piece it together and come up with the most logical story. There are no conclusive methods of determining familial relationships. BMD data from registers, census data, wills, land documents, etc all have a bit of the story but they are almost always indirect when you get further back in time. You may want to take some courses online or otherwise, to get familiar with how to research and where to find documents. some are expensive but well worth the cost to get going in the right direction. There are lots of places you can go for information before you pay for a professional. Anyway, email me and we can look a bit at the Plympton area first. Wayne Shepheard Cornwood OPC www.cornwood-opc.com www.plymptonstmary-opc.com www.plymptonstmaurice-opc.com www.harford-opc.com -----Original Message----- From: Blaine Sanders Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 2:43 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Finding Corroborating Evidence... I am quite new to genealogical research in England. I have learned a whole lot from posting to and lurking on this list, as well as by getting my hands dirty in the parish registers. I have been trying hard to piece together some families in my ancestry, and am finding that it is quite rare to be able to find enough information in the registers alone to be sure of family structure. My ancestors came primarily from rural areas (Brixton, Plympton, Plymstock), small parishes mostly, which makes things easier in some ways, but harder in others. I've noticed that for the most part, the small parishes are often neglected. One registry in particular that I have ancestors in has never been indexed, as far as I can tell. I have searched all the freely accessible indexes for wills that I can find, and have come up empty. >From what I can tell, it seems like a much larger range of documents, such as wills, court records, etc are available for searching... IF you live in Devon. Many on this list seem to be very skilled at researching and finding these other types of documents. My questions for the group are: 1. Which kinds of documents, or combination of documents (pre-1800's) tend to be the most valuable in terms of the amount and kind of information that would allow one to conclusively link a child to siblings and/or parents? 2. Are there any paid sites that would have wills, court documents, marriage certificates, settlement certificates, etc, available for searching? Specifically, I'm looking for these types of documents for the areas of Brixton, Plympton, Plymstock, and surrounding areas, for years 1600 - 1800. 3. If these kind of records are not available on any paid sites, what other means are there for obtaining these documents, assuming one does not have a bunch of money to pay a researcher in the DRO? Many Thanks, Blaine ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am quite new to genealogical research in England. I have learned a whole lot from posting to and lurking on this list, as well as by getting my hands dirty in the parish registers. I have been trying hard to piece together some families in my ancestry, and am finding that it is quite rare to be able to find enough information in the registers alone to be sure of family structure. My ancestors came primarily from rural areas (Brixton, Plympton, Plymstock), small parishes mostly, which makes things easier in some ways, but harder in others. I've noticed that for the most part, the small parishes are often neglected. One registry in particular that I have ancestors in has never been indexed, as far as I can tell. I have searched all the freely accessible indexes for wills that I can find, and have come up empty. >From what I can tell, it seems like a much larger range of documents, such as wills, court records, etc are available for searching... IF you live in Devon. Many on this list seem to be very skilled at researching and finding these other types of documents. My questions for the group are: 1. Which kinds of documents, or combination of documents (pre-1800's) tend to be the most valuable in terms of the amount and kind of information that would allow one to conclusively link a child to siblings and/or parents? 2. Are there any paid sites that would have wills, court documents, marriage certificates, settlement certificates, etc, available for searching? Specifically, I'm looking for these types of documents for the areas of Brixton, Plympton, Plymstock, and surrounding areas, for years 1600 - 1800. 3. If these kind of records are not available on any paid sites, what other means are there for obtaining these documents, assuming one does not have a bunch of money to pay a researcher in the DRO? Many Thanks, Blaine

> Devon Family History Society has BMD indexes which > include 264 Doidge bapts between 1813-1839 , and 254 marriages 1754-1812, > and a further 135 marriages 1813- 1837. This is very good value and it > would be worth it to get all of these entries. You may have left it too > late this year to get the DFHS printouts but you could put in a request . Yes, sorry, Devon FHS volunteers are now on a Christmas break- normal service resumes on 7th January 2014. If you want to put in a request for a quotation, please go to http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/indexes.htm, fill in the form and it will be dealt with as soon as we re-open. Terry Devon FHS working from home. On 23/12/2013 11:36, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, FreeBmd has two Martha Doidge born between > 1852-1856 and the most likely is the one born in Plymouth district in 1854 > . the other is born in the Liskeard district. > The 1861 census shows a Mary Doidge , head, widow , 45 , > lodging house keeper b Launceston ?, Cornwall, with her children Chas A , > 11, Fanny , 8, Martha, 6, Mary A , 4 , and with them are two Pascoe > nieces Mary and Hannah . . FreeBmd has the death of a Richard Doidge in > Plymouth in 1860. > In the 1851 also in Plymouth shows Richard Doidge, head, > marr, 34, coachman , b Bratton Clovelly, Mary , wife, 35, born Launcells, St > Thomas, and with them Charles Arthur , aged 1 . b. Plymouth. > Bratton Clovelly , Richard`s birth place is not on IGI > nor has it an OPC but there is a Deanery of Okehampton cd which has bapts > 1813 onward which should include him . Mary Balhatchet may be on IGI a lot > of Cornish parishes are . > Devon Family History Society has BMD indexes which > include 264 Doidge bapts between 1813-1839 , and 254 marriages 1754-1812, > and a further 135 marriages 1813- 1837. This is very good value and it > would be worth it to get all of these entries. You may have left it too > late this year to get the DFHS printouts but you could put in a request . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hilton doidge" <hilton.d@clear.net.nz> > To: "DEVON UK" <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:16 AM > Subject: [DEV] Martha DOIDGE born c1854 Plymouth m John Henry HANCOCK > bornc1851 > > >> Martha DOIDGE born c1854, Plymouth, Devon, married John Henry HANCOCK born >> c1851 Menheniot Cornwall, 31 July 1879 Plymouth, Devon... >> >> The marriage registration states that Martha's father's name is Richard >> DOIDGE and he is deceased at time of Martha's marriage... >> >> >> >> 1861 and 1871 Census both show a Martha DOIDGE with an age that fits the >> Martha above and born in Plymouth, Devon... Both the 1861 and 1871 Census >> reveals the 'Head' as a Mary DOIDGE. >> >> >> >> June quarter, 1847 reveals a marriage for a Richard DOIDGE and a Mary >> BALHATCHET in the District of Plymouth... Is this the Richard DOIDGE that >> shows as father on Martha's Marriage Registration? >> >> Is Mary BALHATCHET indeed the same 'Mary' that shows as Mary DOIDGE, Head, >> in both the 1861 and 1871 Census? >> >> >> >> >> >> There is a Martha Doidge, wife of John Henry HANCOCK buried at Anderson's >> Bay Cemetery, Dunedin, New Zealand... I believe this to be the above >> Martha >> DOIDGE... >> >> >> >> Can anyone verify that the parents of the above Martha HANCOCK nee DOIDGE >> are indeed Richard DOIDGE and Mary BALHATCHET? >> >> >> >> If anyone is researching this same family... Who are the parents of >> Richard >> DOIDGE?... i.e. Martha's paternal grandparents... >> >> >> >> Although my direct DOIDGE ancestors are from Cornwall and Devon and my >> direct HANCOCK ancestor is from Cornwall... I have not, as yet, connected >> the dots to either this John Henry HANCOCK or Martha DOIDGE... >> >> >> >> Hilton Doidge >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi, FreeBmd has two Martha Doidge born between 1852-1856 and the most likely is the one born in Plymouth district in 1854 . the other is born in the Liskeard district. The 1861 census shows a Mary Doidge , head, widow , 45 , lodging house keeper b Launceston ?, Cornwall, with her children Chas A , 11, Fanny , 8, Martha, 6, Mary A , 4 , and with them are two Pascoe nieces Mary and Hannah . . FreeBmd has the death of a Richard Doidge in Plymouth in 1860. In the 1851 also in Plymouth shows Richard Doidge, head, marr, 34, coachman , b Bratton Clovelly, Mary , wife, 35, born Launcells, St Thomas, and with them Charles Arthur , aged 1 . b. Plymouth. Bratton Clovelly , Richard`s birth place is not on IGI nor has it an OPC but there is a Deanery of Okehampton cd which has bapts 1813 onward which should include him . Mary Balhatchet may be on IGI a lot of Cornish parishes are . Devon Family History Society has BMD indexes which include 264 Doidge bapts between 1813-1839 , and 254 marriages 1754-1812, and a further 135 marriages 1813- 1837. This is very good value and it would be worth it to get all of these entries. You may have left it too late this year to get the DFHS printouts but you could put in a request . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "hilton doidge" <hilton.d@clear.net.nz> To: "DEVON UK" <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 8:16 AM Subject: [DEV] Martha DOIDGE born c1854 Plymouth m John Henry HANCOCK bornc1851 > Martha DOIDGE born c1854, Plymouth, Devon, married John Henry HANCOCK born > c1851 Menheniot Cornwall, 31 July 1879 Plymouth, Devon... > > The marriage registration states that Martha's father's name is Richard > DOIDGE and he is deceased at time of Martha's marriage... > > > > 1861 and 1871 Census both show a Martha DOIDGE with an age that fits the > Martha above and born in Plymouth, Devon... Both the 1861 and 1871 Census > reveals the 'Head' as a Mary DOIDGE. > > > > June quarter, 1847 reveals a marriage for a Richard DOIDGE and a Mary > BALHATCHET in the District of Plymouth... Is this the Richard DOIDGE that > shows as father on Martha's Marriage Registration? > > Is Mary BALHATCHET indeed the same 'Mary' that shows as Mary DOIDGE, Head, > in both the 1861 and 1871 Census? > > > > > > There is a Martha Doidge, wife of John Henry HANCOCK buried at Anderson's > Bay Cemetery, Dunedin, New Zealand... I believe this to be the above > Martha > DOIDGE... > > > > Can anyone verify that the parents of the above Martha HANCOCK nee DOIDGE > are indeed Richard DOIDGE and Mary BALHATCHET? > > > > If anyone is researching this same family... Who are the parents of > Richard > DOIDGE?... i.e. Martha's paternal grandparents... > > > > Although my direct DOIDGE ancestors are from Cornwall and Devon and my > direct HANCOCK ancestor is from Cornwall... I have not, as yet, connected > the dots to either this John Henry HANCOCK or Martha DOIDGE... > > > > Hilton Doidge > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Hilton, I have no link to either of the families you mention, but if you check back to the 1851 census you’ll find Mary with her husband Richard and their first child Charles. Hope this helps, Jon

Hi Bev Have done a little more research and think i was definitely on the right track with my previous message. Have now found a marriage between Samuel SEARL and Grace ELLIOT 14 July 1814 in Stoke Damerel. Samuel occupation given as Taylor Witnesses were Elizabeth Thorne and Augustus Elliott. Have also found a poosible marriage for Augustus Searle to a Margaret Reed Married Q1 1841 Plymouth RD. Have found Augustus and Margaret on 1841 Census in Plymouth, his occupation is give as Tailor. Have also found Augustus on a Prison Record (UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849) sentenced in 1832 for 7 years for stealing clothes. Occupation again given as Tailor. So I believe that Augustus and Margaret went to Canada sometime between 1841 and 1844. Then had two sons George Reed and Augustus Frederick who came back to England at some stage. Where as his Brother George Elliott went to America Where his son Milton was born, then all the family came back to Plymouth. Obviously unless you get copies of Wills and BMD's cannot prove it all but would be fairly certain that it is correct. Samuel Searle who died in 1834 also left a will. Copy of which is at Devon Heritage Centre or at TreeHouse. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 21/12/2013 23:55, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) wrote: > Hi Bev, > Have been doing some searching and think I have worked out the Searle > family. > > Reading the London Gazette Article, I believe that it implies that > Milton Ambrose Searle and George Reed Searle are cousins. > Looking on other Censuses and Marriage Records and Probate now have the > following. > > George Reed Searle and Augustus Frederick Searle were brothers, both > born in Canada found living together on 1871 Census in Toxtex Park, > Liverpool, England. > > Found a marriage for Augustus Frederick Searle in London 1870 image on > Ancestry. Father named as Augustus Frederick Searle. > > Probate record 23 Jan 1873 for Augustus Searle (on Ancestry UK Probate) > states > Administration of the effects of Augustus Searle late of Kingston in > Canada Agent for the Royal Mail Steamers on Lake Ontario in North > America a Widower who died 11 July 1854 at Kingston was granted at the > Principal Registry to George Reed Searle of Liverpool in the County of > Lancaster Accountant the Son and one of the Next of Kin. > > Believe i have found baptism of Augustus Frederick (George Reed's > Brother) see > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wjmartin/wm-s_23.htm > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ewjmartin/wm-s_23.htm> > > So we have Arthur Ambrose Searle (Born 1876 Plymouth) son of Milton > Ambrose Searle (born 1847 America) son of George Elliot Searle (Born > 1822 Plymouth, England). > also we have George Reed Searle (Born abt 1844 Kingston, Canada) and > Augustus Frederick Searle (Born 13 May 1845, Kingston, Canada) sons of > Augustus Frederick Searle (Died 1854 Kingston, Canada) and Margaret ?. > > On FindMyPast > Have found a Baptism for a George Searle 1822 in Plymouth. Parents > Samuel and Grace. > Also Augustus Searle 1815 in Plymouth. Parents Samuel and Grace. > Samuel's Occupation given as Tailor. > Cannot find a marriage for Samuel to Grace. > There is a burial for a Samuel Searle in 1834 who was a Tailor in > Plymoth. Age given as 46. > > No Middle names given on these two Baptism entries. > > Hope this helps and gives you a few more things to check out. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 >

Hi Bev, Do you have Arthur Ambrose Searle's parents Milton Ambrose and Miriam Searle in the 1871 census at Plymouth? (Milton recorded as being born at New York) Miriam's death 2 Nov 1878 and probate 1879? Milton's remarriage to Ann Elizabeth Ellis in 1881? etc, etc, etc Ray On 22/12/2013 6:36 AM, B. Edmonds wrote: > Hi Elizabeth > > Here is the full text from the Gazette, seems when I copied it into my > computer I put the year 1953 instead of 1935 and I did not have all this, > especially all his travel. No wonder they were having trouble finding him. > > Bev > > Re GEORGE REED SEARLE, Deceased. > PURSUANT to an Order of the Chancery Division of the High Court of Justice, > dated the 21st day of January, 1935, and made in an action In the Matter of > the Estate of George Reed Searle, deceased, Searle and Another v. Searle and > Others, 1934, S. No. 1623, whereby the following" enquiry was directed: - > > An enquiry whether Arthur Ambrose Searle, a Son of one Milton Ambrose > Searle, who was a Cousin of the above named testator, George Reed Searle, is > living or dead, and if dead, when he died, and if he died since the death of > the testator, who are his personal representatives. > > Notice is hereby given that all persons claiming to be entitled under the > said enquiry are, on or before the 23rd day of April, 1936, to send by post, > prepaid, to Isaac Landau, Solicitor, of Messrs, Aird Hood & Co., 4, Brabant > Court, London, E.C.3, their full Christian and surnames, addresses and > descriptions, and full particulars of their claims, or in default thereof > they will be excluded from the benefit of the said Order, unless the Court > or Judge on application otherwise orders. > Thursday, the 30th day of April, 1936, at 12.30, is the time appointed for > adjudicating upon the claims before Master Chandler, at the Chambers of the > Judge, Room 246, Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, London. > A claimant not residing in England or Wales must send particulars of his > claim, with the name and address of a person in England or Wales to whom > notices to the claimant can be sent. > Dated this 10th day of December, 1935. > PRETOR W. CHANDLER, Master. > ISAAC LANDAU, of Aird Hood and Co., 4, Brabant Cpurtj London, E.C.3, > Solicitors for the Plaintiffs. > NOTE.-The said Arthur Ambrose Searle is believed to have been born at > Plymouth in 1876. About the year 1892 he went to (Rhodesia, afterwards to > Australia, to California in 1909, and was last heard of at Moorabin, near > Melbourne, in Australia, about the year 1912 or 1913 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >