Some more entries from Australian Papers. More information available on links. Balmain Observer and Western Suburbs Advertiser (NSW : 1884 - 1907) Saturday 9 March 1889 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/132304613 DEATHS: on the 5th march at No 1, Ellerslie Terrace, Snails Bay, Balmain, George TRUSCOTT, eldest surviving son of John & Elizabeth Cardew CREE, late of Devonport, Devon. ************************ The North Australian, Ipswich and General Advertiser (Ipswich, Qld. : 1856 - 1862) Friday 2 August 1861 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/77431107 MARRIAGE: July 29th at St John's Church, Brisbane, Mr. J. Bowring SLOMAN, of Ipswich, late of Plymouth, England, to Jane McKINLEY, d/o Mr. J. BAWDEN, of Devonport, Devon. *************************** South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Monday 10 January 1876 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/43014897 MARRIAGE: On 9th January at Trinity Church Eli PEARSE of Holne, Devon, to Elizabeth Jane BETTES, late of Devonport, Devon ************************** The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 9 March 1859 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5677578 MARRIAGE: On the 20th ult, at Branxholme, Mr. H. W. SANDERS, son of late Captain W. E. SANDERS, Royal Navy, of Devonport, Devon. **********************************

Hi Adrian, Thanks for that, can look forward to having these details become available at some time in the future, even though look-ups are available at the moment. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Bruce" <abruce@madasafish.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 1:48 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Westernfrontassociation > <<snipped>> > Does anyone know if these records are available through Ancestry/FMP? > <<snipped>> > > These are still only a/v thru the Western Front Association. NB - these > are > totally different from Ancestry's so-called Pension Records, which are > personnel records that happened to end up at the pensions office. > > Adrian B > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6457 - Release Date: 12/28/13 >

Thanks again Elizabeth, I can tick that from my list of things to look up. I am pretty sure that the father's of George Elliott SEARLE and George SEARLE are brothers anyway. But I do not need to go back that far. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:25 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] SEARLE/AMBROSE/O'CONNELL > Not so far as I can make it !!! no image appears just the > index . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:04 PM > Subject: [DEV] SEARLE/AMBROSE/O'CONNELL > > >> Morning all, >> >> Coincidence or not!!! >> >> George E. [Elliott] SEARLE and wife Mary are at 29 Edgecumbe St in 1851 >> with >> children Emily and Alfred [Milton Ambrose SEARLE born N York 1847 not >> with >> them] >> Lodging with them is a William AMBROSE who I think could be a brother to >> Mary the wife. So far no marriage found for George E. SEARLE and wife >> Mary. >> I assume they married in New York where Milton is born. >> >> Now here is my next little puzzle. >> >> Another George SEARLE married a Jane Paulina O'CONNELL Mar Q 1854 at East >> Stonehouse. Jane died one year later and she is also of Edgecumbe St, >> and >> is also buried at Ford Park . One of George Elliott's sons Alfred >> Augustus >> is also of Edgecumbe St and is also buried at Ford Park >> >> Would anyone please be able to see if there is a marriage on FMP for this >> George SEARLE and and Jane Paulina O'CONNELL in 1854. I suspect that this >> George could be the s/o George and Sarah SEARLE. >> >> Regards and thanks so much. >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6457 - Release Date: 12/28/13 >

Thanks Elizabeth, I think it is my Mary BROCK even though that entry says Stobard. How the name Stowford got to be spelt like that is beyond me. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:18 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Mary BROCK c 1790 > > Hi Bev, it certainly looks like Stobard, but in the > 1861 there is a Mary Brock still living in Plymouth with a group of other > old ladies widows and unmarried, and she is 70 and born Stowford . > Doesn`t prove anything but ....... > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:33 PM > Subject: [DEV] Mary BROCK c 1790 > > >> Morning >> >> This entry has me puzzled, where is Stobard? Not on the Gazetteer that I >> can >> see. I am after a Mary BROCK of Stowford. >> >> FreeCen has a Mary Brock c 1790 born Stowford at 3 Foxs Cottages. >> >> Am I correct in thinking that Stobard does not exist? Bev >> >> >> 1851 >> --- (Lady) PARKER Head W 63 F Baronets Widow Knoyle-WIL >> Clara Magdalene PARKER Daur U 20 F --- Plymouth-DEV >> Albert PARKER Son U 25 M Proprietor Of Land In West Canada Clifton-GLS >> Mary BROCK Serv W 60 F House Keeper Stobard-DEV >> Jane Wilton STUMBLES Serv U 23 F Serv Plymouth-DEV >> Address: 11 Nelson Villa, Plymouth >> Census Place: Plymouth Charles Martyr Plymouth, Devonshire >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6457 - Release Date: 12/28/13 >

Hi Dennis If you happen to have the Kingskerswell PRs on hand maybe you could check for any BISHOP baptisms in the 1825-1831 time period. According to the Tasmanian Convict records John BISHOP's wife Maria was living at Newton Abbot (probably went home to Mum) and there were 4 children. I have only found 2 sons baptised in Wolborough one of whom died as an infant. Kingskerswell is a parish in the area where they lived. My only connection to the BARTON and STOOKE families is because my GG-Grandfather stole from John Barton STOOKE, a Timber Merchant who lived at Hilly (or Holly) House, Howe Lane, Kingskerswell, he was born at Coffinswell. Best wishes from Diana On 29/12/2013, at 5:57 PM, dennis bramble <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: >> From the above subject which I came across by chance, I note the names of > BARTON and STOOKE. > >> From my local history research the two families of BARTON & STOOKE were well > entrenched at Kingskerswell, Devon. > The BARTON family had two farms. My home is just round the corner from one > of them at North Whilborough which is a hamlet in the parish. They > intermarried with other leading families in the area and were prominent in > local affairs. > > Do not confuse Whilborough with Wolborough which was mentioned in one reply. > The latter parish is now part of the town of Newton Abbot. > > If I can help with Kingskerswell families, just email me. > > Dennis Bramble. > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Steve, There is a good book published in New Zealand written by Marianne Philson who is a descendant of the Duders. Descended from Thomas, born Kingskerswell in 1805/6. It his his descendants in Auckland that are well known there. One lady who became a DUDER by marriage is well known as a author of children's books some of which have been filmed by Hollywood. She is also an Olimpic swimer for New Zealand. Lots about her on the internet. It is I think, Tessa DUDER. Some places in Auckland including an island and a park are named after the family. Thomas was on HMS Bufalo which in 1840, was wrecked at Whitianga in Auckland Harbour. The book was sent to me by Marianne as a result of my interest in the family. The Newfoundland/Canadian and also the Brazilian branches are equally fascinating. Regards, Dennis.

On 29 Dec 2013 at 16:44, dennis bramble wrote: > Your mail is most interesting regarding the above Kingskerswell families. I am > not sure if you are asking for information regarding them. Two other families > with whom they were connected at 'Kerswell were the DUDERs and the BROWN > family, The latter were and still are the Squires of the parish. Descendants > of the DUDERs are through their descendants, famous in Canada, Brazil and > especially in New Zealand. About 20 years ago I had a letter from someone in New Zealand who had a record of a Samuel DUDER who married a Mary Ann STOOKE in 1838. I was not able to connect her with my STOOKE family, but kept a note of it for future reference. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Have you checked for baptisms before the marriage? There is a baptism at Wolborough 14 Aug 1824 William Soper Pook, mother Mary Pook.  There is a William Pook born c1826 in the same household as Maria in 1861 described as nephew.  Did Maria have a sister Mary?   Joy ________________________________ From: Diana Stevens <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 8:05 Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 Hi Katherine Thanks for that. I spent the morning contemplating all the confusing details of this family after finding a report of his sentence. Tim Treeby suggested using the British Newspaper Archive indexes and then viewing on FMP, so I did a narrow date search of all newspapers and found the report of his sentencing in the Sherborne Mercury 28/03/1831: "DEVON LENT ASSIZES     John Bishop was convicted of stealing divers tools from a certain building adjoining the dwelling house of John Stooke, the property of John Barton Stooke, There was another indictment against the prisoner for larceny, and the Judge, therefore, sentenced him to be transported for life." In the census I found John Barton STOOKE lived in Kingskerswell and he was a Timber Merchant. John BISHOP was a carpenter, he may have worked in the timber yard so he knew where the tools were kept. At the beginning of 1830 John was still living in Wolborough where he married 28 Aug1825 (a sojourner) and had two sons Richard (bap 12 Mar 1826) & William (bap 30 Jan 1830). William was buried there 2 Feb 1830. It is not far from Kingskerswell. I had decided he was probably my John Bishop but I wanted the final proof. I got to the stage of finding that record in the Tasmanian Archives but stopped to prepare lunch before going further. I always had doubts about whether the John baptised at Teigngrace  in 1803 was my John BISHOP, as was suggested to me by a DFHS researcher in 1998, despite the matching naming patterns. I needed at least some idea of how old the John who married Maria was, now I have it. He was only 5 ft 3.75 in tall. At least one of his male grandchildren and several in the next two generations are 6 ft 3 in! >From his conduct record he was not a well behaved prisoner, and in it he has provided another puzzle to solve. He claims he has four children, I only know of the two children mentioned above. Best wishes from Diana

On 29 Dec 2013 at 9:57, dennis bramble wrote: > >From the above subject which I came across by chance, I note the names of > BARTON and STOOKE. > > >From my local history research the two families of BARTON & STOOKE were well > entrenched at Kingskerswell, Devon. > The BARTON family had two farms. My home is just round the corner from one of > them at North Whilborough which is a hamlet in the parish. They intermarried > with other leading families in the area and were prominent in local affairs. I'm wondering if there is any connection to this family: Family Group Report For: John Barter Stooke (ID= 5621) Date Prepared: 29 Dec 2013 NAME: STOOKE, John Barter, Born 25 Aug 1808 in Coffinswell, DEV, ENG, Died 17 Jan 1871 at age 62; FATHER: STOOKE, John, Born 16 Nov 1784, Died 17 Mar 1831 at age 46; MOTHER: BARTER, Mary, Born 16 May 1788, Died 15 Jul 1867 at age 79 MARRIED Aug 1838 in Devon, England, to SULLOCK, Emma, Born 15 Nov 1806 in Wembury, DEV, ENG, Died 23 Sep 1875 at age 68; FATHER: SULLOCK, George, Born ??? 1759, Died 4 Feb 1824 at age 65; MOTHER: BARTLETT, Mary, Born ??? 1765, Died Jan 1820 at age 55 CHILDREN: 1. M STOOKE, Thomas Sullock, born 21 Dec 1839 in Kingskerswell, DEV, died ???; Married Feb 1872 to TANNER, Sarah Cecilia; 1 child 2. M STOOKE, Edwin, born 12 Jan 1842 in Kingskerswell, DEV, EN, died 7 Jul 1931 in Ilminster, SON, ENG; Married Feb 1904 to UPPINGTON, Mabel; 2 children 3. M STOOKE, John Bartlett, born Aug 1844 in Kingskerswell, DEV, EN, died 25 Oct 1849 4. M STOOKE, Frederick Salter, born 23 Jan 1846 in Kingskerswell, DEV, EN, died 11 May 1928 in Exmouth, DEV, ENG 5. M STOOKE, Stanley Smith, born 5 Jul 1847 in Kingskerswell, DEV, EN, died 16 Oct 1877 in Burma I have BARTER there, but some sources give BARJERON. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Hello Steve, Your mail is most interesting regarding the above Kingskerswell families. I am not sure if you are asking for information regarding them. Two other families with whom they were connected at 'Kerswell were the DUDERs and the BROWN family, The latter were and still are the Squires of the parish. Descendants of the DUDERs are through their descendants, famous in Canada, Brazil and especially in New Zealand. Regards, Dennis Bramble. <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk>

Hello Diana, Will see what I can find. Sadly, some of the Kingskerswell PRs are missing. The geography of 'Kerswell in relation to Wolborough parish which is now part of the town of Newton Abbot is as follows. Wolbororough, Abbotskerswell, Kingskerswell and then Torquay. You can take that as a broad sweep from Newton Abbot to Torquay. Give me a reminder if you think I am taking too long. Dennis. <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: Diana Stevens Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:56 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 + BARTON & STOOKE. Hi Dennis If you happen to have the Kingskerswell PRs on hand maybe you could check for any BISHOP baptisms in the 1825-1831 time period. According to the Tasmanian Convict records John BISHOP's wife Maria was living at Newton Abbot (probably went home to Mum) and there were 4 children. I have only found 2 sons baptised in Wolborough one of whom died as an infant. Kingskerswell is a parish in the area where they lived. My only connection to the BARTON and STOOKE families is because my GG-Grandfather stole from John Barton STOOKE, a Timber Merchant who lived at Hilly (or Holly) House, Howe Lane, Kingskerswell, he was born at Coffinswell. Best wishes from Diana On 29/12/2013, at 5:57 PM, dennis bramble <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: >> From the above subject which I came across by chance, I note the names of > BARTON and STOOKE. > >> From my local history research the two families of BARTON & STOOKE were >> well > entrenched at Kingskerswell, Devon. > The BARTON family had two farms. My home is just round the corner from one > of them at North Whilborough which is a hamlet in the parish. They > intermarried with other leading families in the area and were prominent in > local affairs. > > Do not confuse Whilborough with Wolborough which was mentioned in one > reply. > The latter parish is now part of the town of Newton Abbot. > > If I can help with Kingskerswell families, just email me. > > Dennis Bramble. > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Katherine Thanks for that. I spent the morning contemplating all the confusing details of this family after finding a report of his sentence. Tim Treeby suggested using the British Newspaper Archive indexes and then viewing on FMP, so I did a narrow date search of all newspapers and found the report of his sentencing in the Sherborne Mercury 28/03/1831: "DEVON LENT ASSIZES John Bishop was convicted of stealing divers tools from a certain building adjoining the dwelling house of John Stooke, the property of John Barton Stooke, There was another indictment against the prisoner for larceny, and the Judge, therefore, sentenced him to be transported for life." In the census I found John Barton STOOKE lived in Kingskerswell and he was a Timber Merchant. John BISHOP was a carpenter, he may have worked in the timber yard so he knew where the tools were kept. At the beginning of 1830 John was still living in Wolborough where he married 28 Aug1825 (a sojourner) and had two sons Richard (bap 12 Mar 1826) & William (bap 30 Jan 1830). William was buried there 2 Feb 1830. It is not far from Kingskerswell. I had decided he was probably my John Bishop but I wanted the final proof. I got to the stage of finding that record in the Tasmanian Archives but stopped to prepare lunch before going further. I always had doubts about whether the John baptised at Teigngrace in 1803 was my John BISHOP, as was suggested to me by a DFHS researcher in 1998, despite the matching naming patterns. I needed at least some idea of how old the John who married Maria was, now I have it. He was only 5 ft 3.75 in tall. At least one of his male grandchildren and several in the next two generations are 6 ft 3 in! >From his conduct record he was not a well behaved prisoner, and in it he has provided another puzzle to solve. He claims he has four children, I only know of the two children mentioned above. Best wishes from Diana On 29/12/2013, at 12:57 PM, Katherine McLeod <katherine.mcleod@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Diana, > > The Archives Office of Tasmania has the conduct record for the John > BISHOP transported on the Strathfieldsay, which says he was married with > 4 children, wife Maria at Newton Abbott. See it here: > > <http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-4,196,161,C,80> > > If that link doesn't work, try here: > > http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=5163 > > Then click on Conduct Record, then View this record online, and you'll > find him at the bottom of the page on Image 161. > > Other details also available through the appropriation and description > list links. You'll probably find him in other name indexes of the Tas > Archives too - there's an inquest which says very little other than that > he drowned. > > Cheers, > Katherine > > On 29/12/2013 2:21 AM, Diana Stevens wrote: >> Hi Joy >> >> Thanks for that, it certainly sounds like the one I found in the >> newspaper. I have not done any convict research for a long time and I >> did not know about that site. >> >> It is interesting that someone has added details of his death, I >> shall try to contact them. >> >> I still need a bit more information about him to convince me he is >> the right one. My John BISHOP was probably living in West Teignmouth >> as some years later this was his place of Settlement on the Removal >> Order for his 'son' John Oxford BISHOP as stated by his mother Maria >> GREENSLADE, though in fact JOB was illegitimate. >> >> Best wishes from Diana >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 28 Dec 2013, at 9:58 pm, Joy Langdon >>> <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Diana, >>> >>> Is this him? >>> http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/bishop/john/118356 >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Diana Stevens >>> <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, >>> 28 December 2013, 13:07 Subject: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at >>> Exeter 1831 >>> >>> For years I have been trying to find out what happened to my >>> GG-Grandfather John BISHOP. He disappeared ca 1830-1831. >>> >>> I have now found in Woolmer's Exeter and Plymouth Gazette of 19 Mar >>> 1831 the Calendar for the Lent Assizes in Exeter which includes a >>> John BISHOP age 27 (he was bap 10 Apr 1803 at Teigngrace) accused >>> of burglary. >>> >>> I have also found the sentence/acquittal of 5 of the other 6 >>> burglars on the list in the E&PG of 26 Mar 1831 but not John. >>> >>> I have found him in a prison hulk, with a life sentence, convicted >>> at Exeter on 17 Mar 1831 of 'breaking into a house with tools'. >>> >>> I can't find him in any of the Australian Convict Indexes but of >>> course not all the prisoners on hulks were transported. Before I do >>> anything else I need to find where the crime took place so that I >>> can judge if he is my John. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diana, The Archives Office of Tasmania has the conduct record for the John BISHOP transported on the Strathfieldsay, which says he was married with 4 children, wife Maria at Newton Abbott. See it here: <http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-4,196,161,C,80> If that link doesn't work, try here: http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=5163 Then click on Conduct Record, then View this record online, and you'll find him at the bottom of the page on Image 161. Other details also available through the appropriation and description list links. You'll probably find him in other name indexes of the Tas Archives too - there's an inquest which says very little other than that he drowned. Cheers, Katherine On 29/12/2013 2:21 AM, Diana Stevens wrote: > Hi Joy > > Thanks for that, it certainly sounds like the one I found in the > newspaper. I have not done any convict research for a long time and I > did not know about that site. > > It is interesting that someone has added details of his death, I > shall try to contact them. > > I still need a bit more information about him to convince me he is > the right one. My John BISHOP was probably living in West Teignmouth > as some years later this was his place of Settlement on the Removal > Order for his 'son' John Oxford BISHOP as stated by his mother Maria > GREENSLADE, though in fact JOB was illegitimate. > > Best wishes from Diana > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 28 Dec 2013, at 9:58 pm, Joy Langdon >> <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Diana, >> >> Is this him? >> http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/bishop/john/118356 >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Diana Stevens >> <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, >> 28 December 2013, 13:07 Subject: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at >> Exeter 1831 >> >> For years I have been trying to find out what happened to my >> GG-Grandfather John BISHOP. He disappeared ca 1830-1831. >> >> I have now found in Woolmer's Exeter and Plymouth Gazette of 19 Mar >> 1831 the Calendar for the Lent Assizes in Exeter which includes a >> John BISHOP age 27 (he was bap 10 Apr 1803 at Teigngrace) accused >> of burglary. >> >> I have also found the sentence/acquittal of 5 of the other 6 >> burglars on the list in the E&PG of 26 Mar 1831 but not John. >> >> I have found him in a prison hulk, with a life sentence, convicted >> at Exeter on 17 Mar 1831 of 'breaking into a house with tools'. >> >> I can't find him in any of the Australian Convict Indexes but of >> course not all the prisoners on hulks were transported. Before I do >> anything else I need to find where the crime took place so that I >> can judge if he is my John.

Too hot to do anything folks so came across a couple of things whilst searching our papers and have decided to do a bit more and have come across these entries. Click on the link to find more info on a couple of them. I have tested the links and they should work. Bev Devon Folk in Australian Newspapers The Perth Gazette and Western Australian Journal (WA : 1833 - 1847) Saturday 27 December 184 Report of Deserters from Her Majesty's Ship, Driver Dated Freemantle, Dec. 14, 1845 William McDonald- quality, able seaman; age, 25 years; born at Devonport, Devon; height 5ft 3½in; hair, dark brown, eyes, hazel; complexion, fresh. http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/646375 ***************************** The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1803 - 1842) Saturday 19 May 1832 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2206645?searchTerm Married: On Thursday the 10th instant, at Bathurst, William LAWSON s/o William LAWSON to caroline, d/o Thomas ICELY, Esq., of Devonport, Devon ************************** The Darling Downs Gazette and General Advertiser (Toowoomba, Qld. : 1858 - 1880) Tuesday 6 August 1867 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/75518224 MARRIED:At Toowoomba, Mr. Henry HOLLAWAY. s/o Mr. Henry HOLLAWAY of Witchurch Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, to Miss Elizabeth Ann PENGELLY d/o Mr. John PENGELLY of Devonport, Devon ************************* The Sydney Herald (NSW : 1831 - 1842) Monday 24 August 1835 p 3 Family Notices trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12852906 DEATHS: At Devonport, Devon, on the 20th of February last, at the advanced age of eighty-eight years, Mrs. HILL, relict of Mr. James HILL, of Sydney. *********************

<<snipped>> Does anyone know if these records are available through Ancestry/FMP? <<snipped>> These are still only a/v thru the Western Front Association. NB - these are totally different from Ancestry's so-called Pension Records, which are personnel records that happened to end up at the pensions office. Adrian B

Hi Terry: On 29 Dec 2013, at 00:33, <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Many of the Devonshire village have their own website where they list > details of the village etc., try a search for those specific names if not > try Genuk Let me suggest a variant on this strategy, namely to search GENUKI/Devon first, and then do a general search on the parish name, in case you can find any other websites that merit being listed in GENUKI/Devon, in which case I would appreciate receiving their details! :-) The rationale: it is I hope the case that most of the worthwhile parish sites are listed in GENUKI/Devon already! Parish and village websites - especially those run by enthusiastic individuals - often move or disappear, though some are splendid. Official ones run by the Parish Council tend to be better in this regard, though by no means all include much information of genealogical or historical relevance. But worse is that there are a significant number of commercial national websites that consist simply of a huge set of automatically-generated pages, one per parish or village, each mostly filled with exactly the same generic (national or county-level) information, and only rarely with any parish or village-specific information (other than advertisements, perhaps) added in - these clog up the search results most annoyingly. And, finally, this strategy will help improve GENUKI/Devon, and hence your fellow genealogists. Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Afternoon from a very hot Qld Does anyone know if these records are available through Ancestry/FMP? http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/great-war-current-news/pension-records.html Regards Bev

Hi , As Brian says, there is masses of stuff on Northam , and Buckland Brewer has an OPC who could probably help . West Alvington has a website and the parish clerk may well be able to help you with whatever you are looking for . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Drummond" <e_m_drummond@yahoo.co.nz> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:56 PM Subject: [DEV] Background reading for West Alvington, Northam,Buckland Brewer areas > First of > all, Happy New Year to everyone! > I know it’s > a long shot but maybe somebody has come across a diary or journal about > the > areas around these parishes. I know of no relevant published books and > have > trawled through “British manuscript > diaries of the 19th century: an annotated listing”, to no avail. Any > suggestions would be gratefully received. I’ll be in the UK next summer > so could read any manuscripts then- if there are any! > Beth Drummond from NZ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Not so far as I can make it !!! no image appears just the index . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:04 PM Subject: [DEV] SEARLE/AMBROSE/O'CONNELL > Morning all, > > Coincidence or not!!! > > George E. [Elliott] SEARLE and wife Mary are at 29 Edgecumbe St in 1851 > with > children Emily and Alfred [Milton Ambrose SEARLE born N York 1847 not with > them] > Lodging with them is a William AMBROSE who I think could be a brother to > Mary the wife. So far no marriage found for George E. SEARLE and wife > Mary. > I assume they married in New York where Milton is born. > > Now here is my next little puzzle. > > Another George SEARLE married a Jane Paulina O'CONNELL Mar Q 1854 at East > Stonehouse. Jane died one year later and she is also of Edgecumbe St, and > is also buried at Ford Park . One of George Elliott's sons Alfred Augustus > is also of Edgecumbe St and is also buried at Ford Park > > Would anyone please be able to see if there is a marriage on FMP for this > George SEARLE and and Jane Paulina O'CONNELL in 1854. I suspect that this > George could be the s/o George and Sarah SEARLE. > > Regards and thanks so much. > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Elizabeth, Try looking at the various trade directories for Devon - Kelly, Slater etc. They give a summary or the village then a list of "worthies" and tradesmen. I use Historical Directories http://cdm16445.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/landingpage/collection/p16445coll4 . Use either http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html or buy a Godfrey Map to understand the geography of the time. Before your visit, search Access to Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ for the villages. West Alvington has 1251 hits. In particular look out for Tithe information and taxes such as the Hearth Tax. These will give an overview of the village and their social standing. There will Documents are shared between the National Archives in Kew and the local records. A subscription to newspapers online or findmypast will also turn up aspects of village life. Stories were often syndicated (by stagecoach not the internet). Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Randell Sent: 28 December 2013 21:57 To: Elizabeth Drummond; <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Background reading for West Alvington, Northam, Buckland Brewer areas Hi Elizabeth: You'll find *lots* of items listed under Biography and History on the Northam page in GENUKI/Devon - and a few items in the Buckland Brewer page, but not much in the West Alvington page Cheers Brian Randell [Please excuse brevity - sent from my iPad] email: Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk tel: +(44)191 222 7923 On 28 Dec 2013, at 20:00, "Elizabeth Drummond" <e_m_drummond@yahoo.co.nz> wrote: > First of > all, Happy New Year to everyone! > I know it's > a long shot but maybe somebody has come across a diary or journal > about the areas around these parishes. I know of no relevant published > books and have trawled through "British manuscript diaries of the 19th > century: an annotated listing", to no avail. Any suggestions would be > gratefully received. I'll be in the UK next summer so could read any > manuscripts then- if there are any! > Beth Drummond from NZ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message