Happy new year everyone, and I wish that all your brick walls will vanish this coming year. I would like to mention at this stage of the new year that Shaldon and Sheldon are two different places. I've had a few rather disgruntled people recently telling me that I haven't a clue to reading parish registers when in fact they have the wrong parish. I'm just the O.P.C. for Sheldon and not unfortunately Shaldon. I would ask researchers not to get the ache with me when it is discovered they have the wrong parish. It's certainly isn't my fault. Like wise when asked about R. D. Blackmore, author of Lorna Doone, no it is not possible to be descended from him directly, despite people's family stories. Though married he had no children. Incidentally I've not yet found any link from his family to mine. If anyone has a link from the Sheldon and surrounding areas of Devon to R.D.'s family I'd be more than interested. Terry Blackmore O.P.C. Sheldon, Devon.

Hi Liz Unfortunately my original comment that Susanna POOK's maiden name was SOPER was not on the message you answered. I am looking for a baptism for Susanna SOPER, the only information I have comes from her death certificate which indicates she was born 1767/8. Happy new year to all from Diana On 31/12/2013, at 10:12 PM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi, I don`t see Susanna`s death in Freebmd in 1845. > But there is a Susanna Soper in the 1841 census wife of Gregory Soper living > in Stoke Climsland . But this Susanna Soper is buried in Stoke Climsland in > 1842 aged 74. > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 > >> Hi Mike >> >> That is interesting. Susanna SOPER is another one of my problem ancestors. >> She died 29 Mar 1845 age 77 so born 1767/8 but I know not where. >> >> Having had some success this week I am inspired to press on with more of >> my Devon families in the New Year. >> >> Best wishes from Diana >> >> On 30/12/2013, at 7:20 PM, Mike Steer <msteer@exemail.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Hi Diana: Both Soper and Pook are old Bovey Tracey names and Bovey is >>> only >>> five or six miles from Wolborough, Mike.

Thank you Terry, I have updated my files. Regards Ed -----Original Message----- From: Terry Leaman Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 2:56 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Marianne Philson and the DUDER and STOOKE familiesofKingskerswell More than 6 children- from my database for St Marychurch- the parish next to Kingskerswell. born:- - , baptised:- 16 January 1812 , Ann Harriet DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- - , fathers occupation:- - , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- , baptised:- 4 December 1818 , Charles DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- Combe Pafford , fathers occupation:- Butcher , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- , baptised:- 21 March 1828 , Emma DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- St Marychurch , fathers occupation:- Butcher , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- , baptised:- 1 July 1825 , George DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- St Marychurch , fathers occupation:- Butcher , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- , baptised:- 16 November 1820 , Henry John DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- Combe Pafford , fathers occupation:- Butcher , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- , baptised:- 23 January 1817 , John Congdon DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- Combe Pafford , fathers occupation:- Butcher , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- , baptised:- 22 July 1813 , Mary Congdon DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- St Marychurch , fathers occupation:- Butcher , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- , baptised:- 31 March 1815 , Thomas DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- Combe Pafford , fathers occupation:- Butcher , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- - , baptised:- 31 July 1809 , William Congdon DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Ann of:- - , fathers occupation:- - , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch born:- , baptised:- 21 November 1822 , Edwin DUDER , child of:- Thomas & Anne of:- Combe Pafford , fathers occupation:- Yeoman , notes:- , Where:- St Marychurch Burial in St Marychurch DUDER William Congdon was buried:- 1 December 1828 age:- 20 notes/address:- - where:- St Marychurch No sign of a burial for Frederick Terry On 30/12/2013 17:39, edbar wrote: > The first of this Duder family that came to Newfoundland was Thomas Duder > bn > c. 1785 at Kingskerswell, died Aug 01, 1855 in Newfoundland. He was > married > to Ann Congdon bn. c. 1783 died Feb 12, 1863 at St John's, Newfoundland. > It > seems all 6 of their children were born in Devon and all (Mary Congdon > Duder, John Congdon Duder, Charles Robert Duder, Henry John Duder, Edwin > Duder) died in Newfoundland except Frederick Duder who died as an infant > in > Devon. > This Duder family was a well known successful business family in > Newfoundland. > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Hayes > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 1:04 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Marianne Philson and the DUDER and STOOKE families > ofKingskerswell > > It seems that several of us have been in contact with Marianne Philson of > New > Zealand, who researched the DUDER family. > > I was in touch with her on the Fidonet network in the 1990s, and as > Fidonet > is largely defunct, I thought I would try to see if she had an e-mail > address > and came across this: > > Marianne PHILSON Death Notice > (Archived) > Published in The New Zealand Herald on Aug. 2, 2012 > First 25 of 44 words: PHILSON, Marianne (nee Duder). Loved and respected > cousin of John and Ross Duder, Nelson Webster and families. Her skill, > passion and dedication in researching and... > > so, too late. > > I have followed some fairly tenuous links between the STOOKE family of > Kingskerswell to my STOOKE family of Ashton/Trusham, and need more > information to make them certain. > > What I have is as follows: > > Family History System 30 Dec 2013 > Ancestor Report for > William Barter STOOKE > > RGL LNUM > > 0 1 STOOKE, William Barter, Born 26 Feb 1810 in > Coffinswell, DEV, ENG, Died 18 Apr 1863 in Launceston, > Tasmania at age 53 > -1 2 STOOKE, John, Born 16 Nov 1784 in Dawlish, DEV, ENG, > Died 17 Mar 1831 in Kingskerswell, DEV at age 46 > 3 BARTER, Mary, Born 16 May 1788, Married 21 Apr 1808 in > Kingskerswell for 22* years, Died 15 Jul 1867 in > Kingskerswell at age 79 > -2 4 STOOKE, James, Born Jun 1742?, Died ??? > 5 BARJERON, Mary, Born 10 Jan 1749 in Dawlish, Married > 28 Oct 1771 in Dawlish, Died ??? > -3 8 STOOKE, Edward, Born ??? 1701?, Died 8 Jun 1752? in > Trusham at age 51 > 9 DINGLEY, Elizabeth, Married 5 Nov 1730 in Trusham, > Devon for 17* years, Died Apr 1748 in Trusham > -4 16 STOOKE, Edward, Born ??? 1656, Died ??? 1727 at age 71 > 17 Mary, Married ??? 1685 for 42* years, Died 10 Oct 1729 > -5 32 STOOKE, Edward, Born Sep 1631, Died Sep 1699? in > Ashton, DEV, ENG at age 68 > 33 SATTERLEY, Mary, Married 8 Aug 1655 in Trusham, Devon > for 38* years, Died Jun 1694 in Devon, ENG > > Sorry if it looks a bit of a mess -- it looks better in a fixed-pitch > font. > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Hi Dennis I think you have confused me with someone else, I have no interest in these families. Diana On 31/12/2013, at 4:23 AM, dennis bramble <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Diana, > > If you are having a problem with the name, Barton Stooke of Kingskerswell, I > would suggest you check BARTER STOOKE. The Barters had two farms at > Kingskerswell. One in the village and one at North Whilborough which is a > hamlet in the parish of Kingskerswell. A marriage connected the two families > at Kingskerswell. The Stooke family lived at Broadgate, a lovely house now > demolished.

Brian, The National Archives have transcribed the place as "East Alwington". The probate district was Wooton. Perhaps there are more clues in the will. Paul ________________________________ From: Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>" <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> Sent: Tuesday, 31 December 2013, 16:01 Subject: [DEV] Where is East Alvington? Hi: I have been assuming that the East Alvington in the thread "Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon1642" is in fact a reference to the parish East Allington. Now I wonder whether it is in fact the hamlet "Allington or Alvington, East, a hamlet in Chivelstone parish, Devonshire, 5 1/2 miles SE of Kingsbridge" - (Transcribed from The Comprehensive Gazetteer of England and Wales, 1894-5 - see http://ukga.org/england/Devon/towns/EastAlvington.html) Cheers Brian Randell On 30 Dec 2013, at 22:24, B. Edmonds wrote: > Thank you Joy, just what I wanted. Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:56 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of > Devon1642 > >> Here it is Bev: >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/pdf/doc_16.pdf >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013, 21:36 >> Subject: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon >> 1642 >> >> >> Morning all, >> >> Another problem for me this morning, I cannot find this  under A2A, I do >> have a printout of the Will but I cannot find it transcribed on Genuki >> under >> East Allington or  West Alvington. >> >> But it is recorded in the Wills Project on Genuki so I know it exists. I >> am >> not related, just found it when searching for other things in my files. >> >> >> National Archives >> Palaeography >> >> Transcript - Document 16 >> Records of Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Letters of Administration with >> will annexed for Agnes Langmead, dated 9 November 1642 >> Catalogue Ref: PROB 11/282 quire 525 >> >> It then transcribes the Will, for Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the >> Countie of Devon >> >> Hoping someone can find it again for me. >> >> Regards >> Bev >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6461 - Release Date: 12/30/13 >> >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk  PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232  URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: I have been assuming that the East Alvington in the thread "Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon1642" is in fact a reference to the parish East Allington. Now I wonder whether it is in fact the hamlet "Allington or Alvington, East, a hamlet in Chivelstone parish, Devonshire, 5 1/2 miles SE of Kingsbridge" - (Transcribed from The Comprehensive Gazetteer of England and Wales, 1894-5 - see http://ukga.org/england/Devon/towns/EastAlvington.html) Cheers Brian Randell On 30 Dec 2013, at 22:24, B. Edmonds wrote: > Thank you Joy, just what I wanted. Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:56 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of > Devon1642 > >> Here it is Bev: >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/pdf/doc_16.pdf >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013, 21:36 >> Subject: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon >> 1642 >> >> >> Morning all, >> >> Another problem for me this morning, I cannot find this under A2A, I do >> have a printout of the Will but I cannot find it transcribed on Genuki >> under >> East Allington or West Alvington. >> >> But it is recorded in the Wills Project on Genuki so I know it exists. I >> am >> not related, just found it when searching for other things in my files. >> >> >> National Archives >> Palaeography >> >> Transcript - Document 16 >> Records of Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Letters of Administration with >> will annexed for Agnes Langmead, dated 9 November 1642 >> Catalogue Ref: PROB 11/282 quire 525 >> >> It then transcribes the Will, for Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the >> Countie of Devon >> >> Hoping someone can find it again for me. >> >> Regards >> Bev >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6461 - Release Date: 12/30/13 >> >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

I stand corrected, Dennis. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hockie Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:14 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 Phillimore Atlas describes the parish as St Nicholas, Shaldon. Helen Harris in her Handbook of Devon Parishes states "The village of Shaldon, on the south side of the mouth of the Teign estuary, with the neighbouring village of Ringmore formerly comprised the parish the parish of St Nicholas, but the two are now known as Shaldon parish which, since 1972, also extends south in a narrow strip along the English Channel coast towards Maidencombe" Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Davidson Sent: 31 December 2013 09:46 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 I think you'll find West Teignmouth is the parish of St James, the area of the town close to the river. Shaldon is a separate parish on the other side of the Teign. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "dennis bramble" <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 > To all folk following this query, West Teignmouth is now named Shaldon. > > Dennis Bramble. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Brian, It appears that I was misinformed years ago and have laboured without correction ever since. I have sent email on this site to another subscriber who has corrected me. Did you get the book on Devon Fishermen and Newfoundland? If so I hope it helped. Regards, Dennis.

Hello Liz, It shows just how much one needs to check out verbal information. It was years ago that I was told that Shaldon had been known as West Teignmouth. At the time I thought it strange as the Teignmouth side of the river was where the ships were built. However as I have often spoken about the DUDER connection and the Newfoundland fishing being very important to the town, no one has corrected me until now. For many years I have been involved in local and family history groups Etc., and have given talks relating to this subject in and around Newton Abbot and Teignmouth. If you are correct I can only say, one lives and learns, even in old age! Regards, Dennis Bramble.

Phillimore Atlas describes the parish as St Nicholas, Shaldon. Helen Harris in her Handbook of Devon Parishes states "The village of Shaldon, on the south side of the mouth of the Teign estuary, with the neighbouring village of Ringmore formerly comprised the parish the parish of St Nicholas, but the two are now known as Shaldon parish which, since 1972, also extends south in a narrow strip along the English Channel coast towards Maidencombe" Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Davidson Sent: 31 December 2013 09:46 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 I think you'll find West Teignmouth is the parish of St James, the area of the town close to the river. Shaldon is a separate parish on the other side of the Teign. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "dennis bramble" <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 > To all folk following this query, West Teignmouth is now named Shaldon. > > Dennis Bramble. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone beat this? Trewman's Exeter Flying Post Thursday March 24th 1836 March 3: At her son's house at Exmouth, Mrs. Mary SEARLE, who had been a bed layer for 16 years. She was born on a Thursday baptised on a Thursday Married on a Thursday and had her first child born on a Thursday She died on a Thursday, aged 81 and was buried on Thursday, 10th instant. Bev

Hi, I don`t see Susanna`s death in Freebmd in 1845. But there is a Susanna Soper in the 1841 census wife of Gregory Soper living in Stoke Climsland . But this Susanna Soper is buried in Stoke Climsland in 1842 aged 74. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 > Hi Mike > > That is interesting. Susanna SOPER is another one of my problem ancestors. > She died 29 Mar 1845 age 77 so born 1767/8 but I know not where. > > Having had some success this week I am inspired to press on with more of > my Devon families in the New Year. > > Best wishes from Diana > > On 30/12/2013, at 7:20 PM, Mike Steer <msteer@exemail.com.au> wrote: > >> Hi Diana: Both Soper and Pook are old Bovey Tracey names and Bovey is >> only >> five or six miles from Wolborough, Mike. >> > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I think you'll find West Teignmouth is the parish of St James, the area of the town close to the river. Shaldon is a separate parish on the other side of the Teign. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "dennis bramble" <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 > To all folk following this query, West Teignmouth is now named Shaldon. > > Dennis Bramble. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Joy, just what I wanted. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:56 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon1642 > Here it is Bev: > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/pdf/doc_16.pdf > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013, 21:36 > Subject: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon > 1642 > > > Morning all, > > Another problem for me this morning, I cannot find this under A2A, I do > have a printout of the Will but I cannot find it transcribed on Genuki > under > East Allington or West Alvington. > > But it is recorded in the Wills Project on Genuki so I know it exists. I > am > not related, just found it when searching for other things in my files. > > > National Archives > Palaeography > > Transcript - Document 16 > Records of Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Letters of Administration with > will annexed for Agnes Langmead, dated 9 November 1642 > Catalogue Ref: PROB 11/282 quire 525 > > It then transcribes the Will, for Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the > Countie of Devon > > Hoping someone can find it again for me. > > Regards > Bev > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6461 - Release Date: 12/30/13 > >

Thanks Paul I already have a copy, it was the page that I found it on that I wanted. As usual Joy Langdon has come up trumps. I must have been looking at old hand writing at some time. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: <paul.hockie@talk21.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:44 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon1642 > Try http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D831061 > or search the discovery catalogue for Agnes Langmead. It will cost £3-36 > to download. > > Paul > > > > > ________________________________ > From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013, 21:36 > Subject: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon > 1642 > > > Morning all, > > Another problem for me this morning, I cannot find this under A2A, I do > have a printout of the Will but I cannot find it transcribed on Genuki > under > East Allington or West Alvington. > > But it is recorded in the Wills Project on Genuki so I know it exists. I > am > not related, just found it when searching for other things in my files. > > > National Archives > Palaeography > > Transcript - Document 16 > Records of Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Letters of Administration with > will annexed for Agnes Langmead, dated 9 November 1642 > Catalogue Ref: PROB 11/282 quire 525 > > It then transcribes the Will, for Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the > Countie of Devon > > Hoping someone can find it again for me. > > Regards > Bev > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6461 - Release Date: 12/30/13 > >

Morning all, Another problem for me this morning, I cannot find this under A2A, I do have a printout of the Will but I cannot find it transcribed on Genuki under East Allington or West Alvington. But it is recorded in the Wills Project on Genuki so I know it exists. I am not related, just found it when searching for other things in my files. National Archives Palaeography Transcript - Document 16 Records of Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Letters of Administration with will annexed for Agnes Langmead, dated 9 November 1642 Catalogue Ref: PROB 11/282 quire 525 It then transcribes the Will, for Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon Hoping someone can find it again for me. Regards Bev

Hi Mike That is interesting. Susanna SOPER is another one of my problem ancestors. She died 29 Mar 1845 age 77 so born 1767/8 but I know not where. Having had some success this week I am inspired to press on with more of my Devon families in the New Year. Best wishes from Diana On 30/12/2013, at 7:20 PM, Mike Steer <msteer@exemail.com.au> wrote: > Hi Diana: Both Soper and Pook are old Bovey Tracey names and Bovey is only > five or six miles from Wolborough, Mike. >

Hi Diana: Both Soper and Pook are old Bovey Tracey names and Bovey is only five or six miles from Wolborough, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Stevens Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 8:40 PM To: Joy Langdon; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 Hi Joy Yes I did read the Wolborough baptisms from at least 1803 when I visited the DRO in 1996 and I recorded William Soper POOK. Maria had a sister Mary bap 1798, I assume WSP is her child. Mary & Maria's mother's maiden name was SOPER. The PR is real mess, appallingly hard to read and I was new to research. These days I would also check for BTs in the hope they had been written neatly by the incumbent. Not all Devon BTs survive, I don't know about Wolborough. I have always assumed that John and Maria BISHOP were living in West Teignmouth for long enough (working in the parish for 1 year?) for him to gain Settlement there because that is what the examination in 1843 determined. But it seems that was not the case and it was Maria who moved there 1831-2. In 1841 my G-Grandfather Richard was an apprentice (mason) living in Wolborough with his grandmother Susanna POOK. I assumed he was apprenticed by the Overseers of the Poor but that would mean his father John had Settlement at Wolborough. Confusing! It is possible John & Maria had a child before Richard, there is enough time for more than one child between Richard & William and she could well have been pregnant when he was arrested. It is difficult from this distance as few PRs in that area have been transcribed/indexed. When I asked the DRO about buying PR fiche more than a year ago I was told I should wait for FMP to put the remainder of the Devon PRs on-line. I doubt if I am going to last the distance! Best wishes from Diana On 30/12/2013, at 2:54 AM, Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Have you checked for baptisms before the marriage? > There is a baptism at Wolborough 14 Aug 1824 William Soper Pook, mother Mary Pook. There is a William Pook born c1826 in the same household as Maria in 1861 described as nephew. Did Maria have a sister Mary? > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: Diana Stevens <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 8:05 > Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 > > > Hi Katherine > > Thanks for that. I spent the morning contemplating all the confusing details of this family after finding a report of his sentence. > > Tim Treeby suggested using the British Newspaper Archive indexes and then viewing on FMP, so I did a narrow date search of all newspapers and found the report of his sentencing in the Sherborne Mercury 28/03/1831: > > "DEVON LENT ASSIZES > John Bishop was convicted of stealing divers tools from a certain building adjoining the dwelling house of John Stooke, the property of John Barton Stooke, There was another indictment against the prisoner for larceny, and the Judge, therefore, sentenced him to be transported for life." > > In the census I found John Barton STOOKE lived in Kingskerswell and he was a Timber Merchant. John BISHOP was a carpenter, he may have worked in the timber yard so he knew where the tools were kept. At the beginning of 1830 John was still living in Wolborough where he married 28 Aug1825 (a sojourner) and had two sons Richard (bap 12 Mar 1826) & William (bap 30 Jan 1830). William was buried there 2 Feb 1830. It is not far from Kingskerswell. > > I had decided he was probably my John Bishop but I wanted the final proof. I got to the stage of finding that record in the Tasmanian Archives but stopped to prepare lunch before going further. > > I always had doubts about whether the John baptised at Teigngrace in 1803 was my John BISHOP, as was suggested to me by a DFHS researcher in 1998, despite the matching naming patterns. I needed at least some idea of how old the John who married Maria was, now I have it. > > He was only 5 ft 3.75 in tall. At least one of his male grandchildren and several in the next two generations are 6 ft 3 in! > >> From his conduct record he was not a well behaved prisoner, and in it he has provided another puzzle to solve. He claims he has four children, I only know of the two children mentioned above. > > Best wishes from Diana > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here it is Bev: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/pdf/doc_16.pdf   Joy ________________________________ From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013, 21:36 Subject: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon 1642 Morning all, Another problem for me this morning, I cannot find this  under A2A, I do have a printout of the Will but I cannot find it transcribed on Genuki under East Allington or  West Alvington. But it is recorded in the Wills Project on Genuki so I know it exists. I am not related, just found it when searching for other things in my files. National Archives Palaeography Transcript - Document 16 Records of Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Letters of Administration with will annexed for Agnes Langmead, dated 9 November 1642 Catalogue Ref: PROB 11/282 quire 525 It then transcribes the Will, for Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon Hoping someone can find it again for me. Regards Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D831061 or search the discovery catalogue for Agnes Langmead. It will cost £3-36 to download. Paul ________________________________ From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013, 21:36 Subject: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon 1642 Morning all, Another problem for me this morning, I cannot find this  under A2A, I do have a printout of the Will but I cannot find it transcribed on Genuki under East Allington or  West Alvington. But it is recorded in the Wills Project on Genuki so I know it exists. I am not related, just found it when searching for other things in my files. National Archives Palaeography Transcript - Document 16 Records of Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Letters of Administration with will annexed for Agnes Langmead, dated 9 November 1642 Catalogue Ref: PROB 11/282 quire 525 It then transcribes the Will, for Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon Hoping someone can find it again for me. Regards Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message