This one for Blaine who was looking at the name SAUNDERS. Marriage Licence Exeter 3 Apr 1627 Richard SAUNDERS of Bickeley [sic] and Phillippa WOODS of Totnes [marriage on IGI at Totnes but I could not find the entry so maybe taken from the BT's. According to Genuki there are 2 Bickleigh's. One near Tiverton and the other near Plymouth. My bet is that this Richard is from the Bickleigh nr Plymouth. Bev

John >From CWGC site http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3112536/SLY,%20WILLIAM%20JAMES SLY, WILLIAM JAMES Rank: Civilian Date of Death: 22/06/1942 Age: 55 Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead Reporting Authority SOUTHAMPTON, COUNTY BOROUGH Additional Information: Husband of Ruby Sly, of Holmecroft, Chalk Hill. Died at Bitterne Brewery. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ellen Murray [mailto:ellen.murray@sympatico.ca] Sent: 02 January 2014 02:07 To: sly211@btinternet.com; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY Possibly his home was bombed during WW11 thus cause of death due to War Operations....? Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: <sly211@btinternet.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY Although this particular branch of the SLY tree comes from the Southampton area rather than from Devon or Cornwall, I hope that fellow listers might be able to help with an unusual cause of death WILLIAM JAMES SLY was born at Bitterne Brewery in July 1887, the son of a licensed victualler. He appears to have followed his father in this trade, and his death certificate records that he died on 22 June 1942 at Bitterne Brewery. The cause of death was stated to be 'Due to War Operations'. I have never come across this before I cannot guess what a 55 year old licensed victualler would have been doing that would cause his death at what appears to be his home that could be attributed to 'war operations'. Service in the Home Guard comes to mind, but I would have expected the cause of death to be something more specific. Could he have been killed accidentally by a member of the armed services? John S Sly ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PS: Correction, he passed away 22 June 1942... William James Sly can be located on the CWGC (Commonwealth War Grave Commission) site. It has a listing of civilians killed in the Wars. Gives name of wife Rub and their address. He died 22 June '42 at Bittern Brewery. Thousands died due to War operations -- civilians and service men and women. You might try the Hampshire-L. R.I.P. Edna - Ottawa

William James Sly can be located on the CWGC (Commonwealth War Grave Commission) site. It has a listing of civilians killed in the Wars. Gives name of wife Rub and their address. He died 26 June '42 at Bittern Brewery. Thousands died due to War operations -- civilians and service men and women. You might try the Hampshire-L. R.I.P. Edna - Ottawa

Steve, The Devon FHS has the marriage register (transcript) for 1754-1812 on sale either as a booklet or a downloadable PDF. Peter Subject: [DEV] STOOKE family in Dawlish I am trying to link together a number of STOOKE families, and wonder if anyone can suggest any way of possibly seeing the parish registers for Dawlish, where some members of the families lived. I am especially interested in the period 1770-1790. The registers do not seem to have been filmed by the LDS, and also do not seem to be entered in FreeReg -- are there any other possibilities?

Having an interest in Stokenham it's great to have those occasional papers on GENUKI (I have a couple of books by W.A. Robert's books but not those). However, whilst Books 1 and 2 seem fine, there seems to be a problem with Book 3 seems to be only the first few pages? (it is clearer longer, it should cover 3 topics, and there is only part of the first, with the footnotes missing) Teresa On 01/01/2014 13:37, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 13:37:50 +0000 > From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Subject: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon - What's New for December 2013 > To:"DEVON@rootsweb.com" <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Message-ID:<2D891E5A-16B9-4F07-B27C-92CD77E7773F@ncl.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hi: > > Thanks to the efforts of a number of volunteers, another bumper month! > > Happy New Year > > Brian Randell > > ------- > > Dec 2013 > > No. of pages added/amended: 108 > > Major additions: > > ? Devon - Biography: Fifth Report of the Committee on Devonshire Celebrities (1881) - index > ? Devon - Biography: Notes on slips connected with Devonshire. Part V (1882) - index > ? Devon - History: Miscellaneous Devonshire Gleanings, Part II (1881) - index > ? Devon - Land and Property: Second Report of the Committee to Obtain Information as to Peculiar Tenures of Land (1881) - index > ? Axminster: Will of Henry Sumption, Yeoman (1762) - transcript > ? Axminster: The site of Moridunum (1882) - index > ? Bideford: Will of Simon Carder (1781) - transcript > ? Bovey Tracey: Notes on a Devonshire funeral sermon in the seventeenth century (1882) - index > ? Butterleigh: 1914-15 War Memorial - transcript > ? Butterleigh: 1939-45 War Memorial - transcript > ? Crediton: Will of Gilbert Burrington (1705) - transcript > ? Crediton: Abstract of the Will of John Atwill (1578) - transcript > ? Crediton: Abstract of the Will of Nicholas Atwill (1591) - transcript > ? Chudleigh: Summary of will of Thomas Burrington (1551) - transcript > ? Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of Nicholas Wichehalse (1553) - transcript > ? Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of John Wichehalse (1556) - transcript > ? Dartmouth: Will of John Nosworthy (1784) - transcript > ? Dartmouth: Will of Sarah Prideaux (1849) - transcript > ? Exeter: A Devonshire Worthy: William Jackson of Exeter (1882) - index > ? Exeter: John Vowell alias Hooker (1882) - index > ? Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index > ? Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index > ? Exeter/Cathedral: Will of John Leach (1613) - transcript > ? Kenton: Will of John Atwill (1600) - transcript > ? Northam: Will of William Smith, mariner (1829) - transcript > ? Plymouth: Men and manners in Tudor Plymouth (1882) - index > ? Sandford: Will of Robert Burrington (1646) - transcript > ? Sandford: Will of Margaret Burrington (1655) - transcript > ? Sandford: Will of Thomas Burrington (1620) - transcript > ? Sandford: Abstract of will of Thomas Burrington (1657) - transcript > ? Sandford: Abstract of will of Edward Delve (1654) - transcript > ? Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 1 - PDF > ? Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 2 - PDF > ? Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 3 - PDF > ? Stokenham: Stokenham 800 - PDF > ? Stokenham: Fragments of Local History - PDF > ? Stokenham: Logbook of Huckham School (1877-1917) - PDF > > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL =Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 > FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL =http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hi Bev, remember that a Union workhouse was the workhouse for a number of parishes, not just for Totnes. So the charge is against the parish that is responsible for that person (and is probably responsible for them being in the workhouse). Terry On 02/01/2014 06:19, B. Edmonds wrote: > Hi, > I am after a HARRIS family, mother Mary c 1813 Totnes, had a son Peter c > 1847 at Totnes. I have yet to find him but have been sidetracked with below. > > I am having a hard time finding some of these [below] in 1851. > > > Totnes > > All Christened at Totnes, but what does Chargeable in this instance mean? I > am assuming they have wandered into Totnes without Settlement Certificates. > > All of Totnes Union Workhouse ...................chargeable to the Parish > of........... > Mar 26th 1839 Henry s/o George and Alice FOALE ... Cherston [sic] Ferrers > Mar 26th 1839 William s/o Marianne LEE [Illeg]............Halwell > Mar 26th 1839 Ann/ d/o Ann SOPER [Illeg] ........South Brent > Mar 26th 1839, Ann d/o Ann HARRIS [Illeg] .............Staverton > 28 Apr 1839 Mary Jane d/o Philippa COLE [Illeg] .............Ugborough > 17th May 1839 Richard Yelland s/o Charles & Mary WIDGER > ..................Stoke Gabriel > > > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Have you considered that Peter might have become a British Home Child? Helen Hi, I am after a HARRIS family, mother Mary c 1813 Totnes, had a son Peter c 1847 at Totnes. I have yet to find him .

Angela There is a Banns Notice in Dartington for William SEARLL of Rattery and Sally THOMAS of Dartington 6 Dec 1772 I do not know for sure where they married, but it is not in Dartington. Does anyone have their marriage from the DFHS Marriage Index please. The other William SEARLE I have is chr 20 Sep 1715 at Loddiswell s/o John & Grace of Dartington I then think they had a son John born 13 Apr 1718 Chr 6 May 1718 at Loddiswell Another son John was chr. 20 Sep 1720 at Loddiswell The Loddiswell info needs checking to see if the 1st son John was buried bef 1720 Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "ag.hamilton" <ag.hamilton@vfast.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 6:43 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Mrs SEARLE and Thursdays [bit of trivia] > Hello, > > Perhaps it’s time for another airing for my SEARLE ancestors now that > Woodbury is being mentioned. > > I have John SEARLE bpt. Jan 1 1772 and his sister Agnes Hearne SEARLE bpt. > Nov 23 1783 both in Woodbury. > > Their parents were William SEARLE and Molly Land HEARNE. I can’t find > where William came from but Molly was b. Lympstone ca 1748 and they > married there in 1771. There is an eleven year gap between the two > children and looking at the Woodbury records I can’t find any children in > between them. Did they move away for a time? Or did they just not have > any children during those eleven years? They seem to have lived in > Woodbury after Agnes’ birth - she was married there and her six children > were born there - she was my 4xG grandmother. > > Although I’ve traced Agnes I’ve been unable to trace where her father > William SEARLE came from or when he died and her brother John is also a > complete mystery. > > Any ideas about this family would be very welcome. Are they perhaps > related to your Woodbury SEARLEs Keith? Or should I be looking for a > SARDLE family? > > Happy New Year to all the Devon listers > > Angela Hamilton > > > > > > On 1 Jan 2014, at 7:00 pm, Surrenden Consultants <ksearle@btinternet.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, Fascinating to see my 4x great grandmother Mary SEARLE being given an >> airing. Thanks Bev. >> >> I first saw the story about her being born on a Thursday, baptised on a >> Thursday and so on about 35 years ago in the Exeter Flying Post (I think >> it >> may have been a Thursday:-) ) and I can confirm it is accurately >> reported. >> >> For the record she was born Mary Perriam on Thursday 30th Jan 1775 at >> Rockbeare the daughter of John PERRIAM and Elizabeth LEIGHT. She married >> Thomas SARDLE on 16th Feb 1775 at Rockbeare and died 3rd Mar 1836 at >> Littleham (Exmouth). >> >> She was indeed disabled and effectively a bed "layer/lyer" for 16 years >> but >> I do not know why. >> >> This story gives me an opportunity to remember that as family historians >> we >> have to keep an open mind and it's not always modern day transcribers who >> make mistakes. >> >> I was searching for the birth of said Thomas SEARLE and any other >> children >> to Thomas and Elizabeth SEARLE who had hitherto been living in Woodbury. >> I >> knew from a family bible parchment that they lived in Rockbeare at some >> time >> and when I first looked through the Rockbeare registers all I could find >> were two children born to the couple but not my direct ancestor Thomas or >> any other siblings. >> >> I searched neighbouring parishes and eventually, armed with some dates >> which >> I had fortunately found in the family bible I returned to the Rockbeare >> registers and found the remainder of their children born to Thomas and >> Elizabeth SARDLE. >> >> Thomas had been baptised SEARLE in Woodbury and at his death in Exmouth >> he >> was described as SEARLE. So what happened in Rockbeare? >> >> When I looked through some other entries in the register at that time it >> seemed that there was a new vicar who was not from the Devon area and it >> was >> possible that when he heard "SEE-ARR-EL" in a deep Devon accent could >> only >> think it was spelt SARDLE. I doubt whether Thomas or Elizabeth ever had >> cause to see the registers - even if they could read and write- so they >> would not have known their surname had been wrongly inscribed. >> >> As other Searles will testify it's a name that many people seem to get >> wrong. >> >> Keith Searle >> OPC Littleham(Exmouth), Withycombe Raleigh and Woodbury >> >> >> - > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6466 - Release Date: 01/01/14 > >

Seeing as SEARLE is such a popular name in all parts of Devon [so it seems] I think it time that I ask if anyone has a Samuel SEARLE who married Margaret EDMONDS at Ashburton 14 Nov 1744. Samuel was a Miller of Ashburton when he married. The closest match would be the Samuel chr at Buckfastleigh 1 Oct 1700 s/o Thomas SEERLE. Has anyone made this connection? Bev

Thank Kate, I have not been able to look at the maps yet as the internet is playing up again. I get so grumpy lately, I am always having problems due to congestion of the lines. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kate Burhouse" <k.burhouse@btinternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:26 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Mary Jane VOOGHT [SMERDON] died 1952 > Hi Bev > > When trying to find a location in the UK, our Ordnance Survey maps are > invaluable. All the places shown on the 1:50,000 maps are indexed and you > can search on this site: > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ > > If you search for Liverton, you'll find 3 entries in Devon. One is a farm > near Exmouth, but the other two are in the area that you're interested in. > The links take you to the 1:50,000 OS map (zoom level 4), and if you zoom > in > another layer it takes you to the 1:25,000 map which is detailed enough to > show field boundaries and in this case shows 'Old Leys Wood' but does not > name the actual farm (unusual). There are buildings near the wood which > look > likely, so zoom in again and you'll see them marked as 'Old Leys Farm'. > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=280558&Y=75394&A=Y&Z=106 > > Now that you have a location you can look at the Historical maps for the > area on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html > > Just copy the coordinates from the Streetmap webpage (280558,75394) and > enter them on the Old Maps website, then select from the various available > maps on the right hand side of the page - the 1:2,500 are the most > detailed > and make sure you zoom in to see the best detail. > >>From this you'll see that back in 1905 it was known as 'Old Lays' >>farm/wood > so this may help with research. > > The other thing that I like to do (and you probably already know about) is > to take a virtual stroll down the road using Google maps or Earth... > > http://tinyurl.com/p6gu7ma > > With best wishes > > Kate > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of B. Edmonds >> Sent: 01 January 2014 05:16 >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Mary Jane VOOGHT [SMERDON] died 1952 >> >> I am stuck again. >> >> Does anyone know where Old Leys Farm, Liverton is? >> Liverton is not in the Gazatteer so assume it is meant to Tiverton. >> >> The name is from the Index to Ancestry Wills, which now I cannot find >> to double check, somewhere on a memory stick I suppose. She died 17 Dec >> 1952 and I would love to know where she is buried also. Her husband I >> believe is Sydney John VOOGHT born 1870 at East Ogwell, anyone have his >> birth date please? He died 21 Mar 1917 at Rattery, and assume he is >> buried there. >> >> They married Mar Q 1893 at East Stonehouse. >> >> I am no good with Google maps, they confuse me. >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6465 - Release Date: 12/31/13 >

John He was killed during WW2 (no doubt by bombing). See : - http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3112536/SLY,%20WILLIAM%20JAMES Adrian On 02/01/2014 02:07, Ellen Murray wrote: > Possibly his home was bombed during WW11 thus cause of death due to War > Operations....? > > Ellen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sly211@btinternet.com> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:54 PM > Subject: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY > > > Although this particular branch of the SLY tree comes from the Southampton > area rather than from Devon or Cornwall, I hope that fellow listers might be > able to help with an unusual cause of death > > WILLIAM JAMES SLY was born at Bitterne Brewery in July 1887, the son of a > licensed victualler. He appears to have followed his father in this trade, > and his death certificate records that he died on 22 June 1942 at Bitterne > Brewery. The cause of death was stated to be 'Due to War Operations'. I have > never come across this before > > I cannot guess what a 55 year old licensed victualler would have been doing > that would cause his death at what appears to be his home that could be > attributed to 'war operations'. Service in the Home Guard comes to mind, but > I would have expected the cause of death to be something more specific. > Could he have been killed accidentally by a member of the armed services? > > John S Sly >

All very confusing I can tell you Elizabeth when one is searching in this area. I can never tell whether Alvington is a mistake in the spelling/pronunciation and meant to be East Allington or West Alvington. More confusing is the Chivelstone PR's where the name Allington is used a lot. It's a while since I have looked at this area, and now I am getting confused with what I am trying to say. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 9:13 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Where is East Alvington? [re Agnes LANGMEAD] > Hi Brian , Devon place names does not have an East > Alvington at all . It has West Alvington as a parish on its own .....and > East Allington is a parish on its own , with South Allington seems to be > part of Chivelstone . . > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > To: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > Cc: <DEVON@rootsweb.com>; "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [DEV] Where is East Alvington? [re Agnes LANGMEAD] > > >> Hi Bev: >> >> Many thanks - that seems pretty conclusive in my view, so I will continue >> to assume that East Alvington is in fact East Allington. >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian >> >> On 31 Dec 2013, at 20:35, B. Edmonds wrote: >> >>> Brian >>> >>> The PR's for Chivelstone have Allington mentioned a lot as either South >>> Allington or Allington but no East Allington [ in the 10 yrs that I >>> checked]. The page in Chivelstone for the years that cover 1642 burials >>> is almost unreadable so they are no help.? >>> >>> But I did find her in East Allington buried as:-- >>> >>> Mrs Agnes LANGMEAD, widdow, was buried March 10th 1642 >>> >>> Seems a long time since her death to the Probate date in November, >>> generally Probate takes no longer than 4-6 weeks in those days, >>> sometimes >>> even sooner. >>> >>> Regards >>> Bev >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 2:01 AM >>> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >>> Cc: "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk>; "Joy Langdon" >>> <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> >>> Subject: Where is East Alvington? >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> I have been assuming that the East Alvington in the thread "Agnes >>>> LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of Devon1642" is in fact a >>>> reference to the parish East Allington. >>>> >>>> Now I wonder whether it is in fact the hamlet "Allington or Alvington, >>>> East, a hamlet in Chivelstone parish, Devonshire, 5 1/2 miles SE of >>>> Kingsbridge" - (Transcribed from The Comprehensive Gazetteer of England >>>> and Wales, 1894-5 - see >>>> http://ukga.org/england/Devon/towns/EastAlvington.html) >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Brian Randell >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30 Dec 2013, at 22:24, B. Edmonds wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you Joy, just what I wanted. Bev >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:56 AM >>>>> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of >>>>> Devon1642 >>>>> >>>>>> Here it is Bev: >>>>>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/pdf/doc_16.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> Joy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> >>>>>> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013, 21:36 >>>>>> Subject: [DEV] Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in the Countie of >>>>>> Devon >>>>>> 1642 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Morning all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Another problem for me this morning, I cannot find this under A2A, I >>>>>> do >>>>>> have a printout of the Will but I cannot find it transcribed on >>>>>> Genuki >>>>>> under >>>>>> East Allington or West Alvington. >>>>>> >>>>>> But it is recorded in the Wills Project on Genuki so I know it >>>>>> exists. >>>>>> I >>>>>> am >>>>>> not related, just found it when searching for other things in my >>>>>> files. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> National Archives >>>>>> Palaeography >>>>>> >>>>>> Transcript - Document 16 >>>>>> Records of Prerogative Court of Canterbury: Letters of Administration >>>>>> with >>>>>> will annexed for Agnes Langmead, dated 9 November 1642 >>>>>> Catalogue Ref: PROB 11/282 quire 525 >>>>>> >>>>>> It then transcribes the Will, for Agnes LANGMEAD of East Alvington in >>>>>> the >>>>>> Countie of Devon >>>>>> >>>>>> Hoping someone can find it again for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Bev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>>>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>>>>> and >>>>>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>>>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>>>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes >>>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>>>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>>>>> and >>>>>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>>>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>>>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes >>>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6461 - Release Date: >>>>>> 12/30/13 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>>>> and >>>>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, >>>> NE1 7RU, UK >>>> EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 >>>> FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = >>>> http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6463 - Release Date: >>>> 12/31/13 >>>> >> >> >> -- >> School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, >> NE1 7RU, UK >> EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 >> FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = >> http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6465 - Release Date: 12/31/13 >

On 2 Jan 2014 at 10:34, B. Edmonds wrote: > Someone mentioned the name STOOKE the other day > Marriage Licence Exeter > 27 Jan 1734 > Jacob BARTLETT of Marldon, yeo. and Jane STOOKE of Paignton, they married at > Paignton 4th Feb. I was the one asking, so thanks for that. I don't see any connection with my family, but have made a note of it in case I find links later. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Although this particular branch of the SLY tree comes from the Southampton area rather than from Devon or Cornwall, I hope that fellow listers might be able to help with an unusual cause of death WILLIAM JAMES SLY was born at Bitterne Brewery in July 1887, the son of a licensed victualler. He appears to have followed his father in this trade, and his death certificate records that he died on 22 June 1942 at Bitterne Brewery. The cause of death was stated to be 'Due to War Operations'. I have never come across this before I cannot guess what a 55 year old licensed victualler would have been doing that would cause his death at what appears to be his home that could be attributed to 'war operations'. Service in the Home Guard comes to mind, but I would have expected the cause of death to be something more specific. Could he have been killed accidentally by a member of the armed services? John S Sly 

Hi Marlene Could it be the place shown on current maps as Mildon's Leigh? http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idld.srf?X=272430&Y=112235&A=Y&Z=115&lm=1 I can't see any other current properties with a similar name - you can look through the list on the Postcode website: http://www.royalmail.com/postcode-finder just put Chawleigh in the 'Town' field. Kate > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Marlene Williamson > Sent: 01 January 2014 23:08 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Mylson in Chawleigh > > Does anyone know what this property might now be known as, and where it > might be? It is mentioned in a will of 1590.... > > Marlene > > Researching Snell, Hooper, Paddon, Drake, Greenslade, Tanner and so on > ad infinitum > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi: Kate's account of how to find places is very useful - at least for *present-day* place names. However, a big problem for which there doesn't seem to be a good general solution, is how to find places which are named on old documents, transcriptions, etc., when spelling was erratic, and all sorts of spelling errors can have crept in. Various major search facilities do a reasonably good job of finding variant surnames, but I don't know of any which make good allowance for variant, mis-spelled, or archaic place names. (Does anybody?) Certainly services like StreetMapUK are completely unforgiving with regard to place name spelling - for example it will not find "Liverton" if one searches for "Livertone" or "Leverton". This is a problem we have faced in preparing the Devon Wills Project (DWP) database for inclusion in the National Wills Index (NWI) - which incidentally has a particularly good facility for searching surname variants, a facility which we are looking forward to being able to use on DWP. The (labour-intensive) solution we have adopted is to add manually, enclosed in square brackets, the "standard" parish name after any variant parish name, or non-parish place name). It would I suppose be possible to produce a "complete" variant parish name index for Devon using these additions to the DWP database, but given the additions we have made this isn't needed for NWI's DWP search place name service, so isn't currently planned. The extent of the problem is illustrated by the fact that we've found, for example, no less than 12 variants of Paignton, 17 of Clovelly, and 46 of Bishopsteignton in our DWP database! Even for Plymouth we've found a couple of dozen, namely: Playmouth, Pleamouth, Plemothe, Plimmouth, Plimo, Plimoath, Plimoth, Plimouh, Plimouth, Plimouthe, Plinoth, Plumouth, Ply, Plymmothe, Plymmouth, Plymmouthe, Plymmowth, Plymoath, Plymomouth, Plymoth, Plymothe, Plymouth, Plymouthe, Plympmouth, and Plymth! In these circumstances about all I can offer, in addition to Kate's advice, and the use of standard place name reference books, such as Gover, J.E.B, Mawer, A. and Stenton, F.M. (eds.) The Place-names of Devon. Cambridge: University Press (1931) 2 vols and Wilson, John M. The Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales. Six Volumes. Edinburgh, Scotland: A. Fullerton, 1870, are: - The Online Gazetteer derived from White's 1850 Dictionary: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Gazetteer/ - Guide to the Manors of Devon: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonManors/ (both the above enable one to identify the parish a given place belongs to) - Various other references listed at http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/index.html#NamesGeographical Suggestions for improving this listing are welcome. Cheers Brian Randell On 1 Jan 2014, at 12:26, Kate Burhouse wrote: > Hi Bev > > When trying to find a location in the UK, our Ordnance Survey maps are > invaluable. All the places shown on the 1:50,000 maps are indexed and you > can search on this site: > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ > > If you search for Liverton, you'll find 3 entries in Devon. One is a farm > near Exmouth, but the other two are in the area that you're interested in. > The links take you to the 1:50,000 OS map (zoom level 4), and if you zoom in > another layer it takes you to the 1:25,000 map which is detailed enough to > show field boundaries and in this case shows 'Old Leys Wood' but does not > name the actual farm (unusual). There are buildings near the wood which look > likely, so zoom in again and you'll see them marked as 'Old Leys Farm'. > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=280558&Y=75394&A=Y&Z=106 > > Now that you have a location you can look at the Historical maps for the > area on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html > > Just copy the coordinates from the Streetmap webpage (280558,75394) and > enter them on the Old Maps website, then select from the various available > maps on the right hand side of the page - the 1:2,500 are the most detailed > and make sure you zoom in to see the best detail. > >> From this you'll see that back in 1905 it was known as 'Old Lays' farm/wood > so this may help with research. > > The other thing that I like to do (and you probably already know about) is > to take a virtual stroll down the road using Google maps or Earth... > > http://tinyurl.com/p6gu7ma > > With best wishes > > Kate > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of B. Edmonds >> Sent: 01 January 2014 05:16 >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Mary Jane VOOGHT [SMERDON] died 1952 >> >> I am stuck again. >> >> Does anyone know where Old Leys Farm, Liverton is? >> Liverton is not in the Gazatteer so assume it is meant to Tiverton. >> >> The name is from the Index to Ancestry Wills, which now I cannot find >> to double check, somewhere on a memory stick I suppose. She died 17 Dec >> 1952 and I would love to know where she is buried also. Her husband I >> believe is Sydney John VOOGHT born 1870 at East Ogwell, anyone have his >> birth date please? He died 21 Mar 1917 at Rattery, and assume he is >> buried there. >> >> They married Mar Q 1893 at East Stonehouse. >> >> I am no good with Google maps, they confuse me. >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Try the CWGC (Commonwealth War Grave Commission) site. It has a listing of civilians killed in the Wars. Also try the newspapers of the area too. All the best, Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: sly211@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 8:54 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com ; cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY Although this particular branch of the SLY tree comes from the Southampton area rather than from Devon or Cornwall, I hope that fellow listers might be able to help with an unusual cause of death WILLIAM JAMES SLY was born at Bitterne Brewery in July 1887, the son of a licensed victualler. He appears to have followed his father in this trade, and his death certificate records that he died on 22 June 1942 at Bitterne Brewery. The cause of death was stated to be 'Due to War Operations'. I have never come across this before I cannot guess what a 55 year old licensed victualler would have been doing that would cause his death at what appears to be his home that could be attributed to 'war operations'. Service in the Home Guard comes to mind, but I would have expected the cause of death to be something more specific. Could he have been killed accidentally by a member of the armed services? John S Sly ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my database for Torquay baptisms, we have SARELL SARLE SEARL SEARLE SERLE SEARLES In many instances the same parents names appear against various spellings. Terry On 01/01/2014 20:33, Surrenden Consultants wrote: > Thanks Terry That's interesting. I was basing my views on the fact that my > grandmother who was as Devon as you could get tended to extended vowel > sounds and "er" and "r's in a very distinctive way and the "r" was > pronounced everywhere. I believe it was referred to as a Rhotic accent. > > Of course we must remember that in mid 1700s Devon villages were seldom > touched by outside influences so when a new curate from say the Midlands or > North of England arrived he pronounced things as he heard them. > > Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Terry Leaman > Sent: 01 January 2014 19:40 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Mrs SEARLE and Thursdays [bit of trivia] > > As a Devonian (admittedly not with a strong accent) I would pronounce the > name as SERLE- completely ignoring the A in it. So in a strong accent it > probably came out as Sarle. > > Terry > > On 01/01/2014 19:00, Surrenden Consultants wrote: >> Hi, Fascinating to see my 4x great grandmother Mary SEARLE being given >> an airing. Thanks Bev. >> >> I first saw the story about her being born on a Thursday, baptised on >> a Thursday and so on about 35 years ago in the Exeter Flying Post (I >> think it may have been a Thursday:-) ) and I can confirm it is accurately > reported. >> For the record she was born Mary Perriam on Thursday 30th Jan 1775 at >> Rockbeare the daughter of John PERRIAM and Elizabeth LEIGHT. She >> married Thomas SARDLE on 16th Feb 1775 at Rockbeare and died 3rd Mar >> 1836 at Littleham (Exmouth). >> >> She was indeed disabled and effectively a bed "layer/lyer" for 16 >> years but I do not know why. >> >> This story gives me an opportunity to remember that as family >> historians we have to keep an open mind and it's not always modern day >> transcribers who make mistakes. >> >> I was searching for the birth of said Thomas SEARLE and any other >> children to Thomas and Elizabeth SEARLE who had hitherto been living >> in Woodbury. I knew from a family bible parchment that they lived in >> Rockbeare at some time and when I first looked through the Rockbeare >> registers all I could find were two children born to the couple but >> not my direct ancestor Thomas or any other siblings. >> >> I searched neighbouring parishes and eventually, armed with some dates >> which I had fortunately found in the family bible I returned to the >> Rockbeare registers and found the remainder of their children born to >> Thomas and Elizabeth SARDLE. >> >> Thomas had been baptised SEARLE in Woodbury and at his death in >> Exmouth he was described as SEARLE. So what happened in Rockbeare? >> >> When I looked through some other entries in the register at that time >> it seemed that there was a new vicar who was not from the Devon area >> and it was possible that when he heard "SEE-ARR-EL" in a deep Devon >> accent could only think it was spelt SARDLE. I doubt whether Thomas or >> Elizabeth ever had cause to see the registers - even if they could >> read and write- so they would not have known their surname had been > wrongly inscribed. >> As other Searles will testify it's a name that many people seem to get >> wrong. >> >> Keith Searle >> OPC Littleham(Exmouth), Withycombe Raleigh and Woodbury >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of B. Edmonds >> Sent: 31 December 2013 04:42 >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Mrs SEARLE and Thursdays [bit of trivia] >> >> Can anyone beat this? >> >> Trewman's Exeter Flying Post >> Thursday March 24th 1836 >> >> March 3: At her son's house at Exmouth, Mrs. Mary SEARLE, who had been >> a bed layer for 16 years. >> She was born on a Thursday >> baptised on a Thursday >> Married on a Thursday >> and had her first child born on a Thursday She died on a Thursday, >> aged 81 and was buried on Thursday, 10th instant. >> >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon >> can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon >> can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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My relishing the description "a bed layer for 16 years" was not because of poor Mrs Searle's achievement, but because of that old grammatical difficulty over the verbs Lie and Lay. "Lay" being transitive requires an object; here it's apparently being used as the past tense of lie, but it reads very awkwardly indeed. Something like "Bed lyer/lier" would be better, but the difficulties there are obvious. Marion DFHS #11884 On 01/01/2014, at 4:20 PM, <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk > wrote: > It doesn't actually say consecutively, though I think it means that. > In 60 > years of life the average time sleeping in bed is 197100 hours > divide that > by 24 = 8212.5 days divide that by 365 = 22.5 years. Since I'm over > 60 I can > better that. As she was 81 you can add on a few more years for the > rest of > her life. I trust she didn't suffer bed sores. I've tried a few of > those > when I was in hospital for a long time years ago wired up for a broken > Femur. Ouch! Not nice to have. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message