Hi, if you go to genuki/devon/east ogwell and then west ogwell , you will find they have the same OPC who may be able to help you further as neither parish is on IGI . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Farrington" <lastweta@xtra.co.nz> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 11:56 PM Subject: [DEV] Mogridge in East/West Ogwell 1700-1850 Hi All and complements of the Season I have an interest in the Mogridge family of East and West Ogwell. John MOGRIDGE married Elizabeth PARKER at West Ogwell in 1755. I know of two children John 1756-1849 mar Susannah WOOTTON in 1780 at East Ogwell and Stephen chr 1764 West Ogwell and may have died c 1844. He married Mary LINSCOTT in 1786 at East Ogwell. This couple are my ancestors. They had at least 4 daughters: Mary 1786, Susannah 1788, Elizabeth died 1792 and Sarah b 1792-1831. Sarah married Thomas SHAPLEY (1789-1851) in 1816 at West Ogwell. Sarah and Thomas are my ancestors. Any connections or extra information would be most welcome. Cheers Chris Farrington Auckland New Zealand ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, any other details like places ? dates ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 7:02 PM Subject: [DEV] Burgoyne > My sister has given me a task. find out about a Margaret M. Burgoyne, now > did check up the 1911 Census, nearest I got was a Mary M. Burgoyne, now I > don't know if its her maiden or married name.. trying to find out more, > could have had a big house with staff > > > > Happy New year from the south pacfic.. New Zealand, our weather, summer > has > got lost its more like the English summers I remember as a child living at > home in London! And having caravan holidays down in Devon. > > > > Thank you > > > > Adele > > Clareville NZ > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On 3 Jan 2014 at 7:54, Peter wrote: > Adele, > > I assume you have more than just a name. Can you give us all the info you > have. > > Peter > > > My sister has given me a task. find out about a Margaret M. Burgoyne, now did > check up the 1911 Census, nearest I got was a Mary M. Burgoyne, now I don't > know if its her maiden or married name.. trying to find out more, could have > had a big house with staff Happy New year from the south pacfic.. New Zealand, > our weather, summer has got lost its more like the English summers I remember > as a child living at home in London! And having caravan holidays down in > Devon. Thank you Adele Clareville NZ I have an M.H. Burgoyne who married Caroline Gray in 1857. According to FreeBMD he was Matthew Henry and the marriage took place in Islington, so I'm not sure that there's a Devon connection. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Hi Jonathon Thank you, " Thereafter, all the records relate to who was responsible for the payments for the stay in the workhouses ". This part is what I needed to know, it was in the back of my head that this is what the entries meant, but needed to be sure. I will print this out plus the other answer from earlier this morning and file it away [probably never to be found again] in fact I might even put it in my scrapbook. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Frayne" <jonfrayne@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:19 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Chargeable to their Parish bapt at Totnes > Hi Bev > > The Poor Law Amendment Act 1834 was designed to stop the 'out-relief' of > paupers, i.e. the payments to paupers in their parishes for minor work > such > as laying out bodies etc. and to enforce their living in the Workhouse. As > each parish had to provide a workhouse they very rapidly formed Unions of > parishes to do this as the most cost effective means of achieving it. > Thereafter, all the records relate to who was responsible for the payments > for the stay in the workhouses. The workhouses soon became bye words for > their insanitary and deadly 'care' as they killed inmates off in large > numbers, usually through diseases such as typhoid. They were not meant as > places to provide care but as places to lock up the poor and provide them > with the bare minimum to allow for their survival. It was explicitly > stated > that they should provide the lowest amount of support necessary to > maintain > life but to also be a deterrent against people applying to enter. The > Union > workhouses were specifically designed to be cost effective as the > ratepayers > in the parishes complained about the cost of paying for the poor. They > were > not designed as some sort of early welfare state but a means of deterring > people from claiming help and remaining self sufficient even to the extent > of people dying rather than enter the workhouse. Just read Dickens-he > wasn't > exaggerating! > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of elizabeth howard > Sent: 02 January 2014 15:00 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Chargeable to their Parish bapt at Totnes > > Hi Bev, The clue is in the name Union workhouse. > .......and you will find that a number of parishes came under this union > and > the workhouse at Totnes was built to cope with the needy of these parishes > in the Totnes union .( 28 parishes in the Totnes Union) So Henry Foale > was > > chargeable to Cherston Ferrers , and Lee to Halwell and so on . This is > the new system from 1834 Poor Law Amendment Act.. Each parish in the > Union > > has a parish relief officer and it was his job to decide with the > churchwardens and overseers of the poor , who could be kept in the parish > on > parish relief ( those who might be capable of some sort of paid work for > the > parish , laying out the dead, sitting with the dying , crow catching , > scarecrowing etc.) and those who would have to be sent to the workhouse , > mostly as you can see from this it was those young unmarried women who > were > pregnant, very old people and young women with 5 children under 5 who had > mislaid their husbands and were simply too burdened with children to be > able > to do any work . > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 6:19 AM > Subject: [DEV] Chargeable to their Parish bapt at Totnes > > >> Hi, >> I am after a HARRIS family, mother Mary c 1813 Totnes, had a son Peter c >> 1847 at Totnes. I have yet to find him but have been sidetracked with >> below. >> >> I am having a hard time finding some of these [below] in 1851. >> >> >> Totnes >> >> All Christened at Totnes, but what does Chargeable in this instance mean? >> I >> am assuming they have wandered into Totnes without Settlement >> Certificates. >> >> All of Totnes Union Workhouse ...................chargeable to the Parish >> of........... >> Mar 26th 1839 Henry s/o George and Alice FOALE ... Cherston [sic] >> Ferrers >> Mar 26th 1839 William s/o Marianne LEE [Illeg]............Halwell >> Mar 26th 1839 Ann/ d/o Ann SOPER [Illeg] ........South Brent >> Mar 26th 1839, Ann d/o Ann HARRIS [Illeg] .............Staverton >> 28 Apr 1839 Mary Jane d/o Philippa COLE [Illeg] .............Ugborough >> 17th May 1839 Richard Yelland s/o Charles & Mary WIDGER >> ..................Stoke Gabriel >> >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6471 - Release Date: 01/02/14 >

My sister has given me a task. find out about a Margaret M. Burgoyne, now did check up the 1911 Census, nearest I got was a Mary M. Burgoyne, now I don't know if its her maiden or married name.. trying to find out more, could have had a big house with staff Happy New year from the south pacfic.. New Zealand, our weather, summer has got lost its more like the English summers I remember as a child living at home in London! And having caravan holidays down in Devon. Thank you Adele Clareville NZ

Adele, I assume you have more than just a name. Can you give us all the info you have. Peter My sister has given me a task. find out about a Margaret M. Burgoyne, now did check up the 1911 Census, nearest I got was a Mary M. Burgoyne, now I don't know if its her maiden or married name.. trying to find out more, could have had a big house with staff Happy New year from the south pacfic.. New Zealand, our weather, summer has got lost its more like the English summers I remember as a child living at home in London! And having caravan holidays down in Devon. Thank you Adele Clareville NZ

Hello Lizzie That looks like them, I will follow up on all this today. I did not get a chance yesterday as I was too busy with all sorts of things. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lizzie Allen" <lizzie.allen28@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 4:37 AM To: "Devon Mailing List" <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Chargeable to their Parish bapt at Totnes > Hi Bev > > In the 1851 census for Totnes (address - "Behind the Walls") I have > found the following: > > Mary Harris Head Unm 38 Dressmaker Totnes > Elizabeth Harris Dau Unm 13 Scholar Totnes > Harriett Harris Dau Unm 10 Scholar Totnes > Emily Harris Dau Unm 7 Scholar Totnes > Peter Harris Son Unm 5 Scholar Totnes > William Harris Son Unm 1 Totnes > > And in 1841 in Fore Street: > > Mary Doble Harris 25 Yes > > In the same household are the following: > > William Tucker Harris 25 Painter Yes > Mary E D Harris 3 Yes > Harriet J Harris 4 months Yes > > William may have been Mary's husband who died before the 1851 census, > or maybe her brother? > > And in the 1861 census, in South Street, Totnes: > > May D Harris Head Wid 48 Dressmaker Totnes > Emily Gillard Harris Dau Unm 17 Needlewoman Totnes > William T Harris Son Unm 11 School boy Totnes > > A search for Peter finds him living with his grandparents, Peter and > Mary Ann Gillard (presumably Mary's mother and father), in Fore > Street, Totnes. He is age 14 and a cordwainer's apprentice. > > In my own tree I have an Ann Harris b Totnes 1813 who married my > ancestor, Robert Mountain in 1838 and settled in Essex. Ann may have > been William Tucker Harris's sister. > > Hope this helps a little. > > Lizzie > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:19 AM, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > wrote: >> Hi, >> I am after a HARRIS family, mother Mary c 1813 Totnes, had a son Peter c >> 1847 at Totnes. I have yet to find him but have been sidetracked with >> below. >> >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6466 - Release Date: 01/01/14 >

Thanks Elizabeth, I generally knew all this but because I had not come across this before in any other PR's I thought it unusual and that there might be another meaning. Maybe this Vicar was extra vigilant and kept going back to the Workhouse to catch them all. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:00 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Chargeable to their Parish bapt at Totnes > Hi Bev, The clue is in the name Union workhouse. > .......and you will find that a number of parishes came under this union > and > the workhouse at Totnes was built to cope with the needy of these parishes > in the Totnes union .( 28 parishes in the Totnes Union) So Henry Foale > was > chargeable to Cherston Ferrers , and Lee to Halwell and so on . This is > the new system from 1834 Poor Law Amendment Act.. Each parish in the > Union > has a parish relief officer and it was his job to decide with the > churchwardens and overseers of the poor , who could be kept in the parish > on > parish relief ( those who might be capable of some sort of paid work for > the > parish , laying out the dead, sitting with the dying , crow catching , > scarecrowing etc.) and those who would have to be sent to the workhouse , > mostly as you can see from this it was those young unmarried women who > were > pregnant, very old people and young women with 5 children under 5 who had > mislaid their husbands and were simply too burdened with children to be > able > to do any work . > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 6:19 AM > Subject: [DEV] Chargeable to their Parish bapt at Totnes > > >> Hi, >> I am after a HARRIS family, mother Mary c 1813 Totnes, had a son Peter c >> 1847 at Totnes. I have yet to find him but have been sidetracked with >> below. >> >> I am having a hard time finding some of these [below] in 1851. >> >> >> Totnes >> >> All Christened at Totnes, but what does Chargeable in this instance mean? >> I >> am assuming they have wandered into Totnes without Settlement >> Certificates. >> >> All of Totnes Union Workhouse ...................chargeable to the Parish >> of........... >> Mar 26th 1839 Henry s/o George and Alice FOALE ... Cherston [sic] >> Ferrers >> Mar 26th 1839 William s/o Marianne LEE [Illeg]............Halwell >> Mar 26th 1839 Ann/ d/o Ann SOPER [Illeg] ........South Brent >> Mar 26th 1839, Ann d/o Ann HARRIS [Illeg] .............Staverton >> 28 Apr 1839 Mary Jane d/o Philippa COLE [Illeg] .............Ugborough >> 17th May 1839 Richard Yelland s/o Charles & Mary WIDGER >> ..................Stoke Gabriel >> >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6466 - Release Date: 01/01/14 >

Teresa, When my internet is down for searching I revert to the old IGI fiche. But I do like to check familysearch when I can in case extra things have been added over the years. It just means that I could not see the marriage on the old IGI fiche. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Teresa Goatham" <teresa@goatham.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:48 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Charles SEARLE c 1588 & Christian SWEETLAND > Hi Bev, > > As this is of interest to me (I have Sweetland of Ideford ancestors) > please could you elaborate on what old fiche you are talking about? > > thanks, > Teresa > > On 02/01/2014 05:41, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 10:37:42 +1000 >> From: "B. Edmonds"<beverley@yourisp.com.au> >> Subject: [DEV] Charles SEARLE c 1588 & Christian SWEETLAND >> To:<DEVON@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BDB0D93E7E1A4125879C475B1B55EFB2@AthlonX2260> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> This Charles is not on my old fiche either not that I can see anyway >> >> Exeter Marriage Licence >> 1 Jul 1613 >> Charles SEARLE of Rattery & Christian SWEETLAND of Ideford >> >> >> Coffee time. >> Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6466 - Release Date: 01/01/14 >

Teresa Some of the pages would not load for me yesterday, but then I was having internet problems. I do have a copy of these papers and I am now happy to see them on Genuki Does anyone know if the burials Lists are available for purchase? Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Teresa Goatham" <teresa@goatham.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 7:20 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon - What's New for December 2013 > Having an interest in Stokenham it's great to have those occasional > papers on GENUKI (I have a couple of books by W.A. Robert's books but > not those). > However, whilst Books 1 and 2 seem fine, there seems to be a problem > with Book 3 seems to be only the first few pages? (it is clearer longer, > it should cover 3 topics, and there is only part of the first, with the > footnotes missing) > > Teresa > > > On 01/01/2014 13:37, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 13:37:50 +0000 >> From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Subject: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon - What's New for December 2013 >> To:"DEVON@rootsweb.com" <DEVON@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Message-ID:<2D891E5A-16B9-4F07-B27C-92CD77E7773F@ncl.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Hi: >> >> Thanks to the efforts of a number of volunteers, another bumper month! >> >> Happy New Year >> >> Brian Randell >> >> ------- >> >> Dec 2013 >> >> No. of pages added/amended: 108 >> >> Major additions: >> >> ? Devon - Biography: Fifth Report of the Committee on Devonshire >> Celebrities (1881) - index >> ? Devon - Biography: Notes on slips connected with Devonshire. Part V >> (1882) - index >> ? Devon - History: Miscellaneous Devonshire Gleanings, Part II (1881) - >> index >> ? Devon - Land and Property: Second Report of the Committee to Obtain >> Information as to Peculiar Tenures of Land (1881) - index >> ? Axminster: Will of Henry Sumption, Yeoman (1762) - transcript >> ? Axminster: The site of Moridunum (1882) - index >> ? Bideford: Will of Simon Carder (1781) - transcript >> ? Bovey Tracey: Notes on a Devonshire funeral sermon in the seventeenth >> century (1882) - index >> ? Butterleigh: 1914-15 War Memorial - transcript >> ? Butterleigh: 1939-45 War Memorial - transcript >> ? Crediton: Will of Gilbert Burrington (1705) - transcript >> ? Crediton: Abstract of the Will of John Atwill (1578) - transcript >> ? Crediton: Abstract of the Will of Nicholas Atwill (1591) - transcript >> ? Chudleigh: Summary of will of Thomas Burrington (1551) - transcript >> ? Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of Nicholas Wichehalse (1553) - transcript >> ? Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of John Wichehalse (1556) - transcript >> ? Dartmouth: Will of John Nosworthy (1784) - transcript >> ? Dartmouth: Will of Sarah Prideaux (1849) - transcript >> ? Exeter: A Devonshire Worthy: William Jackson of Exeter (1882) - index >> ? Exeter: John Vowell alias Hooker (1882) - index >> ? Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, >> as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index >> ? Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, >> as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index >> ? Exeter/Cathedral: Will of John Leach (1613) - transcript >> ? Kenton: Will of John Atwill (1600) - transcript >> ? Northam: Will of William Smith, mariner (1829) - transcript >> ? Plymouth: Men and manners in Tudor Plymouth (1882) - index >> ? Sandford: Will of Robert Burrington (1646) - transcript >> ? Sandford: Will of Margaret Burrington (1655) - transcript >> ? Sandford: Will of Thomas Burrington (1620) - transcript >> ? Sandford: Abstract of will of Thomas Burrington (1657) - transcript >> ? Sandford: Abstract of will of Edward Delve (1654) - transcript >> ? Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 1 - PDF >> ? Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 2 - PDF >> ? Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 3 - PDF >> ? Stokenham: Stokenham 800 - PDF >> ? Stokenham: Fragments of Local History - PDF >> ? Stokenham: Logbook of Huckham School (1877-1917) - PDF >> >> >> -- >> School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, >> NE1 7RU, UK >> EMAIL =Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 >> FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL =http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6466 - Release Date: 01/01/14 >

Hi Bev The Poor Law Amendment Act 1834 was designed to stop the 'out-relief' of paupers, i.e. the payments to paupers in their parishes for minor work such as laying out bodies etc. and to enforce their living in the Workhouse. As each parish had to provide a workhouse they very rapidly formed Unions of parishes to do this as the most cost effective means of achieving it. Thereafter, all the records relate to who was responsible for the payments for the stay in the workhouses. The workhouses soon became bye words for their insanitary and deadly 'care' as they killed inmates off in large numbers, usually through diseases such as typhoid. They were not meant as places to provide care but as places to lock up the poor and provide them with the bare minimum to allow for their survival. It was explicitly stated that they should provide the lowest amount of support necessary to maintain life but to also be a deterrent against people applying to enter. The Union workhouses were specifically designed to be cost effective as the ratepayers in the parishes complained about the cost of paying for the poor. They were not designed as some sort of early welfare state but a means of deterring people from claiming help and remaining self sufficient even to the extent of people dying rather than enter the workhouse. Just read Dickens-he wasn't exaggerating! Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 02 January 2014 15:00 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Chargeable to their Parish bapt at Totnes Hi Bev, The clue is in the name Union workhouse. .......and you will find that a number of parishes came under this union and the workhouse at Totnes was built to cope with the needy of these parishes in the Totnes union .( 28 parishes in the Totnes Union) So Henry Foale was chargeable to Cherston Ferrers , and Lee to Halwell and so on . This is the new system from 1834 Poor Law Amendment Act.. Each parish in the Union has a parish relief officer and it was his job to decide with the churchwardens and overseers of the poor , who could be kept in the parish on parish relief ( those who might be capable of some sort of paid work for the parish , laying out the dead, sitting with the dying , crow catching , scarecrowing etc.) and those who would have to be sent to the workhouse , mostly as you can see from this it was those young unmarried women who were pregnant, very old people and young women with 5 children under 5 who had mislaid their husbands and were simply too burdened with children to be able to do any work . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 6:19 AM Subject: [DEV] Chargeable to their Parish bapt at Totnes > Hi, > I am after a HARRIS family, mother Mary c 1813 Totnes, had a son Peter c > 1847 at Totnes. I have yet to find him but have been sidetracked with > below. > > I am having a hard time finding some of these [below] in 1851. > > > Totnes > > All Christened at Totnes, but what does Chargeable in this instance mean? > I > am assuming they have wandered into Totnes without Settlement > Certificates. > > All of Totnes Union Workhouse ...................chargeable to the Parish > of........... > Mar 26th 1839 Henry s/o George and Alice FOALE ... Cherston [sic] Ferrers > Mar 26th 1839 William s/o Marianne LEE [Illeg]............Halwell > Mar 26th 1839 Ann/ d/o Ann SOPER [Illeg] ........South Brent > Mar 26th 1839, Ann d/o Ann HARRIS [Illeg] .............Staverton > 28 Apr 1839 Mary Jane d/o Philippa COLE [Illeg] .............Ugborough > 17th May 1839 Richard Yelland s/o Charles & Mary WIDGER > ..................Stoke Gabriel > > > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a vague memory that this phrase was used when the injury was caused by shrapnel from Ack-Ack guns. Shells exploding at 30 thousand feet scattered debris over a large area often some distance from the target or the raid. Apart from newspapers already mentioned, diaries were kept of air raids, some of which are in local archives others in the AIR series in the National Archives. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Veysey Sent: 02 January 2014 10:25 To: devon@rootsweb.com; sly211@btinternet.com Subject: Re: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY John >From CWGC site http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3112536/SLY,%20WILLIAM%20JAMES SLY, WILLIAM JAMES Rank: Civilian Date of Death: 22/06/1942 Age: 55 Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead Reporting Authority SOUTHAMPTON, COUNTY BOROUGH Additional Information: Husband of Ruby Sly, of Holmecroft, Chalk Hill. Died at Bitterne Brewery. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ellen Murray [mailto:ellen.murray@sympatico.ca] Sent: 02 January 2014 02:07 To: sly211@btinternet.com; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY Possibly his home was bombed during WW11 thus cause of death due to War Operations....? Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: <sly211@btinternet.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY Although this particular branch of the SLY tree comes from the Southampton area rather than from Devon or Cornwall, I hope that fellow listers might be able to help with an unusual cause of death WILLIAM JAMES SLY was born at Bitterne Brewery in July 1887, the son of a licensed victualler. He appears to have followed his father in this trade, and his death certificate records that he died on 22 June 1942 at Bitterne Brewery. The cause of death was stated to be 'Due to War Operations'. I have never come across this before I cannot guess what a 55 year old licensed victualler would have been doing that would cause his death at what appears to be his home that could be attributed to 'war operations'. Service in the Home Guard comes to mind, but I would have expected the cause of death to be something more specific. Could he have been killed accidentally by a member of the armed services? John S Sly ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian, The same, of course, applies to names, particularly as you move back to the 16/17th century. The National Archives uses the brackets approach to ensure that any reference can be found from the standard name. One other approach I have seen is that the query first takes the "old" spelling and looks up the standard spelling from a table. The query then only runs against the standard spelling and only the standard spelling is included in the record. This seems to be more common amongst Irish and Scottish names with Mc, Mac, O' as well as Gaelic spelling. Both approaches often have a soundex (or equivalent) and/or a drop down based options. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Randell Sent: 01 January 2014 23:17 To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: Brian Randell Subject: [DEV] Finding places: WAS Mary Jane VOOGHT [SMERDON] died 1952 Hi: Kate's account of how to find places is very useful - at least for *present-day* place names. However, a big problem for which there doesn't seem to be a good general solution, is how to find places which are named on old documents, transcriptions, etc., when spelling was erratic, and all sorts of spelling errors can have crept in. Various major search facilities do a reasonably good job of finding variant surnames, but I don't know of any which make good allowance for variant, mis-spelled, or archaic place names. (Does anybody?) Certainly services like StreetMapUK are completely unforgiving with regard to place name spelling - for example it will not find "Liverton" if one searches for "Livertone" or "Leverton". This is a problem we have faced in preparing the Devon Wills Project (DWP) database for inclusion in the National Wills Index (NWI) - which incidentally has a particularly good facility for searching surname variants, a facility which we are looking forward to being able to use on DWP. The (labour-intensive) solution we have adopted is to add manually, enclosed in square brackets, the "standard" parish name after any variant parish name, or non-parish place name). It would I suppose be possible to produce a "complete" variant parish name index for Devon using these additions to the DWP database, but given the additions we have made this isn't needed for NWI's DWP search place name service, so isn't currently planned. The extent of the problem is illustrated by the fact that we've found, for example, no less than 12 variants of Paignton, 17 of Clovelly, and 46 of Bishopsteignton in our DWP database! Even for Plymouth we've found a couple of dozen, namely: Playmouth, Pleamouth, Plemothe, Plimmouth, Plimo, Plimoath, Plimoth, Plimouh, Plimouth, Plimouthe, Plinoth, Plumouth, Ply, Plymmothe, Plymmouth, Plymmouthe, Plymmowth, Plymoath, Plymomouth, Plymoth, Plymothe, Plymouth, Plymouthe, Plympmouth, and Plymth! In these circumstances about all I can offer, in addition to Kate's advice, and the use of standard place name reference books, such as Gover, J.E.B, Mawer, A. and Stenton, F.M. (eds.) The Place-names of Devon. Cambridge: University Press (1931) 2 vols and Wilson, John M. The Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales. Six Volumes. Edinburgh, Scotland: A. Fullerton, 1870, are: - The Online Gazetteer derived from White's 1850 Dictionary: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Gazetteer/ - Guide to the Manors of Devon: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonManors/ (both the above enable one to identify the parish a given place belongs to) - Various other references listed at http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/index.html#NamesGeographical Suggestions for improving this listing are welcome. Cheers Brian Randell On 1 Jan 2014, at 12:26, Kate Burhouse wrote: > Hi Bev > > When trying to find a location in the UK, our Ordnance Survey maps are > invaluable. All the places shown on the 1:50,000 maps are indexed and > you can search on this site: > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ > > If you search for Liverton, you'll find 3 entries in Devon. One is a > farm near Exmouth, but the other two are in the area that you're interested in. > The links take you to the 1:50,000 OS map (zoom level 4), and if you > zoom in another layer it takes you to the 1:25,000 map which is > detailed enough to show field boundaries and in this case shows 'Old > Leys Wood' but does not name the actual farm (unusual). There are > buildings near the wood which look likely, so zoom in again and you'll see them marked as 'Old Leys Farm'. > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=280558&Y=75394&A=Y&Z=106 > > Now that you have a location you can look at the Historical maps for > the area on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html > > Just copy the coordinates from the Streetmap webpage (280558,75394) > and enter them on the Old Maps website, then select from the various > available maps on the right hand side of the page - the 1:2,500 are > the most detailed and make sure you zoom in to see the best detail. > >> From this you'll see that back in 1905 it was known as 'Old Lays' >> farm/wood > so this may help with research. > > The other thing that I like to do (and you probably already know > about) is to take a virtual stroll down the road using Google maps or Earth... > > http://tinyurl.com/p6gu7ma > > With best wishes > > Kate > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of B. Edmonds >> Sent: 01 January 2014 05:16 >> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Mary Jane VOOGHT [SMERDON] died 1952 >> >> I am stuck again. >> >> Does anyone know where Old Leys Farm, Liverton is? >> Liverton is not in the Gazatteer so assume it is meant to Tiverton. >> >> The name is from the Index to Ancestry Wills, which now I cannot find >> to double check, somewhere on a memory stick I suppose. She died 17 >> Dec >> 1952 and I would love to know where she is buried also. Her husband I >> believe is Sydney John VOOGHT born 1870 at East Ogwell, anyone have >> his birth date please? He died 21 Mar 1917 at Rattery, and assume he >> is buried there. >> >> They married Mar Q 1893 at East Stonehouse. >> >> I am no good with Google maps, they confuse me. >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry haven't done this before...how do I get a copy of the will of John Leach 1613? Margaret Leach Sent from my iPad > On 1 Jan 2014, at 13:41, "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi: > > Thanks to the efforts of a number of volunteers, another bumper month! > > Happy New Year > > Brian Randell > > ------- > > Dec 2013 > > No. of pages added/amended: 108 > > Major additions: > > • Devon - Biography: Fifth Report of the Committee on Devonshire Celebrities (1881) - index > • Devon - Biography: Notes on slips connected with Devonshire. Part V (1882) - index > • Devon - History: Miscellaneous Devonshire Gleanings, Part II (1881) - index > • Devon - Land and Property: Second Report of the Committee to Obtain Information as to Peculiar Tenures of Land (1881) - index > • Axminster: Will of Henry Sumption, Yeoman (1762) - transcript > • Axminster: The site of Moridunum (1882) - index > • Bideford: Will of Simon Carder (1781) - transcript > • Bovey Tracey: Notes on a Devonshire funeral sermon in the seventeenth century (1882) - index > • Butterleigh: 1914-15 War Memorial - transcript > • Butterleigh: 1939-45 War Memorial - transcript > • Crediton: Will of Gilbert Burrington (1705) - transcript > • Crediton: Abstract of the Will of John Atwill (1578) - transcript > • Crediton: Abstract of the Will of Nicholas Atwill (1591) - transcript > • Chudleigh: Summary of will of Thomas Burrington (1551) - transcript > • Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of Nicholas Wichehalse (1553) - transcript > • Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of John Wichehalse (1556) - transcript > • Dartmouth: Will of John Nosworthy (1784) - transcript > • Dartmouth: Will of Sarah Prideaux (1849) - transcript > • Exeter: A Devonshire Worthy: William Jackson of Exeter (1882) - index > • Exeter: John Vowell alias Hooker (1882) - index > • Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index > • Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index > • Exeter/Cathedral: Will of John Leach (1613) - transcript > • Kenton: Will of John Atwill (1600) - transcript > • Northam: Will of William Smith, mariner (1829) - transcript > • Plymouth: Men and manners in Tudor Plymouth (1882) - index > • Sandford: Will of Robert Burrington (1646) - transcript > • Sandford: Will of Margaret Burrington (1655) - transcript > • Sandford: Will of Thomas Burrington (1620) - transcript > • Sandford: Abstract of will of Thomas Burrington (1657) - transcript > • Sandford: Abstract of will of Edward Delve (1654) - transcript > • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 1 - PDF > • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 2 - PDF > • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 3 - PDF > • Stokenham: Stokenham 800 - PDF > • Stokenham: Fragments of Local History - PDF > • Stokenham: Logbook of Huckham School (1877-1917) - PDF > > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 > FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tim: I had links to these burial records already on the East and West Ogwell parish pages in GENUKI/Devon, but would appreciate any other suggestions you have that could improve these pages, neither of which has much information - for instance - relative to the history of the parish. Thus pointers to other online information related to the parishes, and any relevant transcriptions or indexes, would be very welcome. Cheers Brian Randell On 2 Jan 2014, at 17:24, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) wrote: > Hi Chris, > Have you see the Devon Heritage Website > http://www.devonheritage.org/FrameMain_Places.htm they have burial > transcriptions for East Ogwell (1837-1906) and West Ogwell (1837-1917), > which shows quite a few MOGRIDGE's buried in both East and West Ogwell, > most are buried in East Ogwell. > > I actually live in East Ogwell my self so have a lot of interest in > anything to do with Ogwell. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 01/01/2014 23:56, Chris Farrington wrote: >> Hi All and complements of the Season >> I have an interest in the Mogridge family of East and West Ogwell. >> John MOGRIDGE married Elizabeth PARKER at West Ogwell in 1755. >> I know of two children John 1756-1849 mar Susannah WOOTTON in 1780 at East Ogwell >> and Stephen chr 1764 West Ogwell and may have died c 1844. He married Mary LINSCOTT in 1786 at East Ogwell. >> This couple are my ancestors. They had at least 4 daughters: Mary 1786, Susannah 1788, Elizabeth died 1792 and Sarah b 1792-1831. >> Sarah married Thomas SHAPLEY (1789-1851) in 1816 at West Ogwell. Sarah and Thomas are my ancestors. >> >> Any connections or extra information would be most welcome. >> >> Cheers >> Chris Farrington >> Auckland New Zealand >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hi Bev In the 1851 census for Totnes (address - "Behind the Walls") I have found the following: Mary Harris Head Unm 38 Dressmaker Totnes Elizabeth Harris Dau Unm 13 Scholar Totnes Harriett Harris Dau Unm 10 Scholar Totnes Emily Harris Dau Unm 7 Scholar Totnes Peter Harris Son Unm 5 Scholar Totnes William Harris Son Unm 1 Totnes And in 1841 in Fore Street: Mary Doble Harris 25 Yes In the same household are the following: William Tucker Harris 25 Painter Yes Mary E D Harris 3 Yes Harriet J Harris 4 months Yes William may have been Mary's husband who died before the 1851 census, or maybe her brother? And in the 1861 census, in South Street, Totnes: May D Harris Head Wid 48 Dressmaker Totnes Emily Gillard Harris Dau Unm 17 Needlewoman Totnes William T Harris Son Unm 11 School boy Totnes A search for Peter finds him living with his grandparents, Peter and Mary Ann Gillard (presumably Mary's mother and father), in Fore Street, Totnes. He is age 14 and a cordwainer's apprentice. In my own tree I have an Ann Harris b Totnes 1813 who married my ancestor, Robert Mountain in 1838 and settled in Essex. Ann may have been William Tucker Harris's sister. Hope this helps a little. Lizzie On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:19 AM, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > Hi, > I am after a HARRIS family, mother Mary c 1813 Totnes, had a son Peter c > 1847 at Totnes. I have yet to find him but have been sidetracked with below. > >

Hi Chris, Have you see the Devon Heritage Website http://www.devonheritage.org/FrameMain_Places.htm they have burial transcriptions for East Ogwell (1837-1906) and West Ogwell (1837-1917), which shows quite a few MOGRIDGE's buried in both East and West Ogwell, most are buried in East Ogwell. I actually live in East Ogwell my self so have a lot of interest in anything to do with Ogwell. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 01/01/2014 23:56, Chris Farrington wrote: > Hi All and complements of the Season > I have an interest in the Mogridge family of East and West Ogwell. > John MOGRIDGE married Elizabeth PARKER at West Ogwell in 1755. > I know of two children John 1756-1849 mar Susannah WOOTTON in 1780 at East Ogwell > and Stephen chr 1764 West Ogwell and may have died c 1844. He married Mary LINSCOTT in 1786 at East Ogwell. > This couple are my ancestors. They had at least 4 daughters: Mary 1786, Susannah 1788, Elizabeth died 1792 and Sarah b 1792-1831. > Sarah married Thomas SHAPLEY (1789-1851) in 1816 at West Ogwell. Sarah and Thomas are my ancestors. > > Any connections or extra information would be most welcome. > > Cheers > Chris Farrington > Auckland New Zealand >

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:53:34 +1100 "Mike Steer" <msteer@exemail.com.au> wrote: Mike I found this diary before I found the Devon List. There are a couple of entries relevant to my family that I thought could lead me down interesting paths but sadly one, William Howe killed aug 1799 aboard HMS Brunswick got lost in the Archives. another a different William Howe was a "Toll Troll" on the Dunsford Turnpike 1800-1803, couldn't find any further references. When I finish rebuilding my tree and merging it with my late father's work on his mothers line I'll get back to it. mick > Thanks Joy: Fascinating, Happy New Year, Mike. > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Joy Langdon > Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013 1:31 AM > To: Devon@Rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Moretnhampstead 1799-1830 > > I have just come across Silvester Treleaven's Diary on the Moretonhampstead > History Society website and it is a fascinating glimpse of what life was > like in the Napoleonic War period with militia marching in and out of town, > visits by the press gang etc.  Well worth a look if you haven't already > found it and you might find a mention of an ancestor if they are from > Moretonhampstead (especially if they died during the period!)  It also > mentions people and events in other places in Devon.  It has some amusing > incidents among the lists of deaths. > http://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/texts/sources/trelchron.ghtml >  

Could it be injuries from the great war, 1914 to 1918.That just finished him off at that time.? He wastoo old to have served in the second world war, but could have served in the 1914 war. Marion -----Original Message----- From: sly211@btinternet.com Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:54 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com ; cornish-gen@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY Although this particular branch of the SLY tree comes from the Southampton area rather than from Devon or Cornwall, I hope that fellow listers might be able to help with an unusual cause of death WILLIAM JAMES SLY was born at Bitterne Brewery in July 1887, the son of a licensed victualler. He appears to have followed his father in this trade, and his death certificate records that he died on 22 June 1942 at Bitterne Brewery. The cause of death was stated to be 'Due to War Operations'. I have never come across this before I cannot guess what a 55 year old licensed victualler would have been doing that would cause his death at what appears to be his home that could be attributed to 'war operations'. Service in the Home Guard comes to mind, but I would have expected the cause of death to be something more specific. Could he have been killed accidentally by a member of the armed services? John S Sly ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am after a HARRIS family, mother Mary c 1813 Totnes, had a son Peter c 1847 at Totnes. I have yet to find him but have been sidetracked with below. I am having a hard time finding some of these [below] in 1851. Totnes All Christened at Totnes, but what does Chargeable in this instance mean? I am assuming they have wandered into Totnes without Settlement Certificates. All of Totnes Union Workhouse ...................chargeable to the Parish of........... Mar 26th 1839 Henry s/o George and Alice FOALE ... Cherston [sic] Ferrers Mar 26th 1839 William s/o Marianne LEE [Illeg]............Halwell Mar 26th 1839 Ann/ d/o Ann SOPER [Illeg] ........South Brent Mar 26th 1839, Ann d/o Ann HARRIS [Illeg] .............Staverton 28 Apr 1839 Mary Jane d/o Philippa COLE [Illeg] .............Ugborough 17th May 1839 Richard Yelland s/o Charles & Mary WIDGER ..................Stoke Gabriel Bev