Morning, Elizabeth DOBLE according to Famsearch is bapt/born 1783. I cannot access this entry. Can anyone out there see who her parents are please with dates. Thanks heaps. Bev

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:09:42 -0000 "Vernmp" <vernmp@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Thank you for the Treleaven Diaries very enjoyable. You would think it > easy to follow the line that belongs to your family tree as Morton is quite > small (local to me growing up as I come from Plymouth). However no such > luck as my interest is the GERMON family, John Harvey Germon being my > Grandfather who moved to Plymouth and brought his family with him. All the > boys became sailors in the Navy). My G.G. and GGGgrandfather were both > called William and one I believe was a Tailor married to Mary Wotton. As > the Germon tribe seems to be immense it I think I will have to visit the > actual church records. Should anyone know any little nugget of knowledge > that might help I would be grateful to follow it up. A healthy and Happy > New Year to you all. Veronica Germon-Kells. > In my case I worked back from the known as far as I could (1770) then using the 'Virtual Archive' of the Parish Records http://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/texts/official/records.ghtml I copied the three registers into spreadsheets to get a picture of the How(e)s, then chased what I could from IGI and any other source I could find. The result of this is a credible line from 1621 to 1720. this has left me with a fifty year gap full of multiple people with the same few names and nothing to separate them yet. This kind of "Brute Force" method is prone to error so you have to take care to challenge every result mick

Hi Mick I did something similar with my own family line in Merton. I found the line back but it did leave lots of loose ends. I have a Samuel Frayne left over who doesn't fit in anywhere and I also have references in other parishes to people being baptised or married in Merton and no record in Merton. All good fun! Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mick Sent: 03 January 2014 23:28 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Moretnhampstead 1799-1830 On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:09:42 -0000 "Vernmp" <vernmp@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Thank you for the Treleaven Diaries very enjoyable. You would think > it easy to follow the line that belongs to your family tree as Morton > is quite small (local to me growing up as I come from Plymouth). > However no such luck as my interest is the GERMON family, John Harvey > Germon being my Grandfather who moved to Plymouth and brought his > family with him. All the boys became sailors in the Navy). My G.G. > and GGGgrandfather were both called William and one I believe was a > Tailor married to Mary Wotton. As the Germon tribe seems to be > immense it I think I will have to visit the actual church records. > Should anyone know any little nugget of knowledge that might help I > would be grateful to follow it up. A healthy and Happy New Year to you all. Veronica Germon-Kells. > In my case I worked back from the known as far as I could (1770) then using the 'Virtual Archive' of the Parish Records http://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/texts/official/records.ghtml I copied the three registers into spreadsheets to get a picture of the How(e)s, then chased what I could from IGI and any other source I could find. The result of this is a credible line from 1621 to 1720. this has left me with a fifty year gap full of multiple people with the same few names and nothing to separate them yet. This kind of "Brute Force" method is prone to error so you have to take care to challenge every result mick ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you everyone, I have asked my sister for more information, she has no idea about doing research. .grr.. I said dates. Are most important, no good 80 years or more for the age of the person you have met, we want more details.. dob. He could be saying 80 and mean 90! She replied, will sort it out, so will see what today comes! All I have in all honesty is a person in Auckland NZ who is looking for his real mother.. All I have are the names I mentioned. Margaret Magella BURGOYNE. This enquirer is in his 80s.. adopted out, why, as he remembers a big house and visitors, lady visitors.. he was at school in Wareham or nearby, but for some reason Devon comes up, I know Wareham is Dorset. seems his adopted parents could have been in service.. I guess my sister doesn't want to upset him to much by asking more, but I said it's the only way to get looking! I have challenges over the years and come up trumps.. He was supposed to have been a boys school. Fee paying.. or the story goes. he was more than happy with the people who adopted him.. loved his adopted mother, which is lovely to learn.. Magella to me sounds Spanish, the middle name.. now the Margaret side, Now from my working out this gentleman would have been born about 1933. I will keep you posted thanks.. Adele Clareville NZ

Mick's observation makes me wonder who actually filled in the death certificate and how the recovery and burial of remains actually did take place under such circumstances. My guess on the burial is that it would have been through the local church, just as in non-war times. But if there was fairly widespread destruction as the National Archives weekly report notes about the raid on Southampton that night (which was apparently the cause of his death), then would the recovery of the remains have been done by teams of civil defenders and the remains brought to some sort of central morgue, much as in a modern train or other disaster? If so, then it may have been that the attention of those medically capable of giving a definitive cause of death was on the triage of the survivors, so that the cause of death to be recorded was left to non-medical persons who were competent only to make such a summary notation as he received on his certificate. This is just a speculation, based on my knowledge of how WWII combat casualties were handled on the front lines. Perhaps someone on the list knows more about how civilian casualties were handled in bombings. From: mick <bareman@tpg.com.au> Subject: Re: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY On Sat, 4 Jan 2014 01:00:41 +0000 (GMT) sly211@btinternet.com wrote: > Hi Listers > > Can I just say thank you to everyone who has taken the trouble to reply to my query. Not only have I been given access to photographs of WILLIAM SLY, but also of his public house, and details of the air raid in which he was killed > > I have looked at almost all of the websites and I could not believe that first, I missed the CWGC site for civilian war deaths, and second, that I didn't think to check out the Bitterne connection > > I am still slightly surprised that the death certificate was so vague, and that it did not specify the injuries as a normal post mortem would today. Perhaps it's because there were too many deaths for the authorities to do any more than record them in terms of numbers, especially when there were relatives who could take responsibility for the burial > > Thanks again everyone. I have learned so much more than I could ever have expected. I hope that this discussion has helped other people who might have come across a similar mystery. In order not to take up any more time on a subject that now seems to have been answered satisfactorily, I'll just shut up now! > > John Sly > John the bodies of bomb victims seldom are in a suitable condition to perform an autopsy and in times of conflict especially the euphemism is all that is required for legal purposes and a more complete description would usually increase the familys grief. mick

Hi Teresa The date is still one month out, so I am not so sure that this is the same SWEETLAND, maybe a cousin. Of course I could have written the date down wrong when I did these many years ago which is most likely the case. Maybe I looked at the wrong line and got SEARLE instead of GROSSE to. Who knows!! Would be interesting to know which entry is now correct. Exeter Marriage Licence >> 1 Jul 1613 >> Charles SEARLE of Rattery & Christian SWEETLAND of Ideford as against [Famsearch] Charles GROSSE and Amie Christen Sweetland 02 Jun 1613 Ideford,Devon,England Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Teresa Goatham" <teresa@goatham.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 4:46 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] DEVON Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 > Ah, thanks for that explanation Bev. > Looking for Christian, rather than Charles, I think it is on the IGI (or > at least, is on the FamilySearch website now) - badly transcribed: > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N25L-9Z4 > > There seem to me too many similarities for it to be a different > marriage. And of course two Christian names was not the norm then - I > guess 'Amie' should be Mrs > > Teresa > > On 02/01/2014 19:52, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 05:52:16 +1000 >> From: "B. Edmonds"<beverley@yourisp.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Charles SEARLE c 1588 & Christian SWEETLAND >> To:<devon@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <E96FDC21D7E84BBAACC3288B41387724@AthlonX2260> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Teresa, >> >> When my internet is down for searching I revert to the old IGI fiche. >> But I >> do like to check familysearch when I can in case extra things have been >> added over the years. >> >> It just means that I could not see the marriage on the old IGI fiche. >> Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6471 - Release Date: 01/02/14 >

Hello Veronica,   There is a William Germon, tailor, with wife Mary on the 1851 census at Moretonhampstead who could be William and Mary Wotton.  There is a Mary Wotton baptism 1778 which fits quite well with the age of Mary Germon on the census (only a year out).  William has a birth year c1781 but the only William Germon baptism at Moretonhampstead around this date is 26 Sep 1779, father also William.   William isn't on the 1861 census and there is a burial in 1854 which gives the age 74 which would be a birth c1780 so the 1779 baptism seems a reasonable match.    There is a marriage of William German to Rachel Batten at Moretonhampstead 1st May 1778.  There is a burial of William Germon 1821, age 69 which gives a birth date approx. 1752.  There is a baptism of William Germon, father Shadrach 11 Nov 1753.   Regards,   Joy      ________________________________ From: Vernmp <vernmp@tiscali.co.uk> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 3 January 2014, 13:09 Subject: Re: [DEV] Moretnhampstead 1799-1830 Thank you  for the Treleaven Diaries very enjoyable.  You would think it easy to follow the line that belongs to your family tree as Morton is quite small (local to me growing up as I come from Plymouth).  However no such luck as my interest is the GERMON family, John Harvey Germon being my Grandfather who moved to Plymouth and brought his family with him.  All the boys became sailors in the Navy).  My G.G. and GGGgrandfather were both called William and one I believe was a Tailor married to Mary Wotton.  As the Germon tribe seems to be immense it I think I will have to visit the actual church records.  Should anyone know any little nugget of knowledge that might help I would  be grateful to follow it up.  A healthy and Happy New Year to you all.  Veronica Germon-Kells. -------------------------------------------------- From: "mick" <bareman@tpg.com.au> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 5:39 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Moretnhampstead 1799-1830 > On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:53:34 +1100 > "Mike Steer" <msteer@exemail.com.au> wrote: > > Mike I found this diary before I found the Devon List. > > There are a couple of entries relevant to my family that I thought could > lead me down interesting paths but sadly one, William Howe killed aug 1799 > aboard HMS Brunswick got lost in the Archives. another a different William > Howe was a "Toll Troll" on the Dunsford Turnpike 1800-1803, couldn't find > any further references. > > When I finish rebuilding my tree and merging it with my late father's work > on his mothers line I'll get back to it. > > mick >> Thanks Joy: Fascinating, Happy New Year, Mike. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of Joy Langdon >> Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013 1:31 AM >> To: Devon@Rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Moretnhampstead 1799-1830 >> >> I have just come across Silvester Treleaven's Diary on the >> Moretonhampstead >> History Society website and it is a fascinating glimpse of what life was >> like in the Napoleonic War period with militia marching in and out of >> town, >> visits by the press gang etc.  Well worth a look if you haven't already >> found it and you might find a mention of an ancestor if they are from >> Moretonhampstead (especially if they died during the period!)  It also >> mentions people and events in other places in Devon.  It has some amusing >> incidents among the lists of deaths. >> http://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/texts/sources/trelchron.ghtml >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Can I just say thank you to everyone who has taken the trouble to reply to my query. Not only have I been given access to photographs of WILLIAM SLY, but also of his public house, and details of the air raid in which he was killed I have looked at almost all of the websites and I could not believe that first, I missed the CWGC site for civilian war deaths, and second, that I didn't think to check out the Bitterne connection I am still slightly surprised that the death certificate was so vague, and that it did not specify the injuries as a normal post mortem would today. Perhaps it's because there were too many deaths for the authorities to do any more than record them in terms of numbers, especially when there were relatives who could take responsibility for the burial Thanks again everyone. I have learned so much more than I could ever have expected. I hope that this discussion has helped other people who might have come across a similar mystery. In order not to take up any more time on a subject that now seems to have been answered satisfactorily, I'll just shut up now! John Sly >________________________________ > From: Paul Hockie <paul.hockie@talk21.com> >To: devon@rootsweb.com; sly211@btinternet.com >Sent: Thursday, 2 January 2014, 21:54 >Subject: RE: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY > > >I have a vague memory that this phrase was used when the injury was caused >by shrapnel from Ack-Ack guns. Shells exploding at 30 thousand feet >scattered debris over a large area often some distance from the target or >the raid. Apart from newspapers already mentioned, diaries were kept of air >raids, some of which are in local archives others in the AIR series  in the >National Archives. > >Cheers > >Paul > >-----Original Message----- >From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of Steve Veysey >Sent: 02 January 2014 10:25 >To: devon@rootsweb.com; sly211@btinternet.com >Subject: Re: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY > >John >>From CWGC site >http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3112536/SLY,%20WILLIAM%20JAMES >SLY, WILLIAM JAMES > >Rank:    Civilian >Date of Death:    22/06/1942 >Age:    55 >Regiment/Service:    Civilian War Dead >Reporting Authority    SOUTHAMPTON, COUNTY BOROUGH >Additional Information: Husband of Ruby Sly, of Holmecroft, Chalk Hill. Died >at Bitterne Brewery. > >Steve >-----Original Message----- >From: Ellen Murray [mailto:ellen.murray@sympatico.ca] >Sent: 02 January 2014 02:07 >To: sly211@btinternet.com; devon@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY > >Possibly his home was bombed during WW11 thus cause of death due to War >Operations....? > >Ellen >----- Original Message ----- >From: <sly211@btinternet.com> >To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <cornish-gen@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:54 PM >Subject: [DEV] UNUSUAL CAUSE OF DEATH: WILLIAM JAMES SLY > > >Although this particular branch of the SLY tree comes from the Southampton >area rather than from Devon or Cornwall, I hope that fellow listers might be > >able to help with an unusual cause of death > >WILLIAM JAMES SLY was born at Bitterne Brewery in July 1887, the son of a >licensed victualler. He appears to have followed his father in this trade, >and his death certificate records that he died on 22 June 1942 at Bitterne >Brewery. The cause of death was stated to be 'Due to War Operations'. I have > >never come across this before > >I cannot guess what a 55 year old licensed victualler would have been doing >that would cause his death at what appears to be his home that could be >attributed to 'war operations'. Service in the Home Guard comes to mind, but > >I would have expected the cause of death to be something more specific. >Could he have been killed accidentally by a member of the armed services? > >John S Sly >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ )  and the Devon FHS >(http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > >the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ )  and the Devon FHS >(http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Good idea will try it, no doubt I will come up against many a William seems to be a favourite with the Germons, as you say though it will be brute force. Thanks and regards . Veronica -------------------------------------------------- From: "mick" <bareman@tpg.com.au> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:28 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Moretnhampstead 1799-1830 > On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:09:42 -0000 > "Vernmp" <vernmp@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > >> Thank you for the Treleaven Diaries very enjoyable. You would think it >> easy to follow the line that belongs to your family tree as Morton is >> quite >> small (local to me growing up as I come from Plymouth). However no such >> luck as my interest is the GERMON family, John Harvey Germon being my >> Grandfather who moved to Plymouth and brought his family with him. All >> the >> boys became sailors in the Navy). My G.G. and GGGgrandfather were both >> called William and one I believe was a Tailor married to Mary Wotton. As >> the Germon tribe seems to be immense it I think I will have to visit the >> actual church records. Should anyone know any little nugget of knowledge >> that might help I would be grateful to follow it up. A healthy and >> Happy >> New Year to you all. Veronica Germon-Kells. >> > In my case I worked back from the known as far as I could (1770) then > using the 'Virtual Archive' of the Parish Records > http://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/texts/official/records.ghtml I copied > the three registers into spreadsheets to get a picture of the How(e)s, > then chased what I could from IGI and any other source I could find. > > The result of this is a credible line from 1621 to 1720. this has left me > with a fifty year gap full of multiple people with the same few names and > nothing to separate them yet. > > This kind of "Brute Force" method is prone to error so you have to take > care to challenge every result > > mick > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev, What parish? I have DOBLE stemming from Tristram DOBLE in Ashwater/Beaworthy area. Sincerely, Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 7:43 PM Subject: [DEV] Elizabeth DOBLE c 1783 > Morning, > > Elizabeth DOBLE according to Famsearch is bapt/born 1783. I cannot access > this entry. Can anyone out there see who her parents are please with > dates. > > Thanks heaps. > > Bev > >

Hi Jon: Thanks for answering this - I didn't have any time when the query arrived. Cheers Brian On 3 Jan 2014, at 17:52, Jonathan Frayne wrote: > Hi Margaret > > Nobody else seems to have replied-so I'll answer you! > > The will has been transcribed and is on Genuki/Dev. Just go to the Genuki/Dev page and click on Wills, which is underscored, and then scroll down to Leach and click on Exeter Cathedral and then on John Leach and read away. It's not very informative as the will is very short. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of margaret leach > Sent: 02 January 2014 21:29 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon - What's New for December 2013 > > Sorry haven't done this before...how do I get a copy of the will of John Leach 1613? Margaret Leach > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 1 Jan 2014, at 13:41, "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi: >> >> Thanks to the efforts of a number of volunteers, another bumper month! >> >> Happy New Year >> >> Brian Randell >> >> ------- >> >> Dec 2013 >> >> No. of pages added/amended: 108 >> >> Major additions: >> >> • Devon - Biography: Fifth Report of the Committee on Devonshire Celebrities (1881) - index >> • Devon - Biography: Notes on slips connected with Devonshire. Part V (1882) - index >> • Devon - History: Miscellaneous Devonshire Gleanings, Part II (1881) - index >> • Devon - Land and Property: Second Report of the Committee to Obtain Information as to Peculiar Tenures of Land (1881) - index >> • Axminster: Will of Henry Sumption, Yeoman (1762) - transcript >> • Axminster: The site of Moridunum (1882) - index >> • Bideford: Will of Simon Carder (1781) - transcript >> • Bovey Tracey: Notes on a Devonshire funeral sermon in the seventeenth century (1882) - index >> • Butterleigh: 1914-15 War Memorial - transcript >> • Butterleigh: 1939-45 War Memorial - transcript >> • Crediton: Will of Gilbert Burrington (1705) - transcript >> • Crediton: Abstract of the Will of John Atwill (1578) - transcript >> • Crediton: Abstract of the Will of Nicholas Atwill (1591) - transcript >> • Chudleigh: Summary of will of Thomas Burrington (1551) - transcript >> • Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of Nicholas Wichehalse (1553) - transcript >> • Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of John Wichehalse (1556) - transcript >> • Dartmouth: Will of John Nosworthy (1784) - transcript >> • Dartmouth: Will of Sarah Prideaux (1849) - transcript >> • Exeter: A Devonshire Worthy: William Jackson of Exeter (1882) - index >> • Exeter: John Vowell alias Hooker (1882) - index >> • Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index >> • Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index >> • Exeter/Cathedral: Will of John Leach (1613) - transcript >> • Kenton: Will of John Atwill (1600) - transcript >> • Northam: Will of William Smith, mariner (1829) - transcript >> • Plymouth: Men and manners in Tudor Plymouth (1882) - index >> • Sandford: Will of Robert Burrington (1646) - transcript >> • Sandford: Will of Margaret Burrington (1655) - transcript >> • Sandford: Will of Thomas Burrington (1620) - transcript >> • Sandford: Abstract of will of Thomas Burrington (1657) - transcript >> • Sandford: Abstract of will of Edward Delve (1654) - transcript >> • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 1 - PDF >> • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 2 - PDF >> • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 3 - PDF >> • Stokenham: Stokenham 800 - PDF >> • Stokenham: Fragments of Local History - PDF >> • Stokenham: Logbook of Huckham School (1877-1917) - PDF >> >> >> -- >> School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon >> Tyne, >> NE1 7RU, UK >> EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 >> FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = >> http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

A John Mogridge born perhaps about 1790 somewhere in Devon or SOM married my cousin Elizabeth Langdon Stone of Withycombe House, Chipstable on Jan. 21, 1825. She was the daughter of Gentleman William Stone of Chipstable and Mary Langdon of Kittisford. Does anyone know if this John Mogridge fits in with the Mogridges being discussed this week on this mailing list? -- John C. Stone II New Hampshire & Vermont, USA jcstone2@gmail.com www.stone-rhodes.org

Sorry to jump in Steve; Are you referring to Ilsington in Devon, or Islington in London?? (different spelling) Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes Sent: Friday, 3 January 2014 7:42 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Burgoyne On 3 Jan 2014 at 7:54, Peter wrote: > Adele, > > I assume you have more than just a name. Can you give us all the info > you have. > > Peter > > > My sister has given me a task. find out about a Margaret M. Burgoyne, > now did check up the 1911 Census, nearest I got was a Mary M. > Burgoyne, now I don't know if its her maiden or married name.. trying > to find out more, could have had a big house with staff Happy New year > from the south pacfic.. New Zealand, our weather, summer has got lost its more like the English summers I remember > as a child living at home in London! And having caravan holidays down in > Devon. Thank you Adele Clareville NZ I have an M.H. Burgoyne who married Caroline Gray in 1857. According to FreeBMD he was Matthew Henry and the marriage took place in Islington, so I'm not sure that there's a Devon connection. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, thanks for that explanation Bev. Looking for Christian, rather than Charles, I think it is on the IGI (or at least, is on the FamilySearch website now) - badly transcribed: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N25L-9Z4 There seem to me too many similarities for it to be a different marriage. And of course two Christian names was not the norm then - I guess 'Amie' should be Mrs Teresa On 02/01/2014 19:52, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 05:52:16 +1000 > From: "B. Edmonds"<beverley@yourisp.com.au> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Charles SEARLE c 1588 & Christian SWEETLAND > To:<devon@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E96FDC21D7E84BBAACC3288B41387724@AthlonX2260> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Teresa, > > When my internet is down for searching I revert to the old IGI fiche. But I > do like to check familysearch when I can in case extra things have been > added over the years. > > It just means that I could not see the marriage on the old IGI fiche. > Bev

Hi Margaret Nobody else seems to have replied-so I'll answer you! The will has been transcribed and is on Genuki/Dev. Just go to the Genuki/Dev page and click on Wills, which is underscored, and then scroll down to Leach and click on Exeter Cathedral and then on John Leach and read away. It's not very informative as the will is very short. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of margaret leach Sent: 02 January 2014 21:29 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon - What's New for December 2013 Sorry haven't done this before...how do I get a copy of the will of John Leach 1613? Margaret Leach Sent from my iPad > On 1 Jan 2014, at 13:41, "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi: > > Thanks to the efforts of a number of volunteers, another bumper month! > > Happy New Year > > Brian Randell > > ------- > > Dec 2013 > > No. of pages added/amended: 108 > > Major additions: > > • Devon - Biography: Fifth Report of the Committee on Devonshire Celebrities (1881) - index > • Devon - Biography: Notes on slips connected with Devonshire. Part V (1882) - index > • Devon - History: Miscellaneous Devonshire Gleanings, Part II (1881) - index > • Devon - Land and Property: Second Report of the Committee to Obtain Information as to Peculiar Tenures of Land (1881) - index > • Axminster: Will of Henry Sumption, Yeoman (1762) - transcript > • Axminster: The site of Moridunum (1882) - index > • Bideford: Will of Simon Carder (1781) - transcript > • Bovey Tracey: Notes on a Devonshire funeral sermon in the seventeenth century (1882) - index > • Butterleigh: 1914-15 War Memorial - transcript > • Butterleigh: 1939-45 War Memorial - transcript > • Crediton: Will of Gilbert Burrington (1705) - transcript > • Crediton: Abstract of the Will of John Atwill (1578) - transcript > • Crediton: Abstract of the Will of Nicholas Atwill (1591) - transcript > • Chudleigh: Summary of will of Thomas Burrington (1551) - transcript > • Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of Nicholas Wichehalse (1553) - transcript > • Chudleigh: Abstract of IPM of John Wichehalse (1556) - transcript > • Dartmouth: Will of John Nosworthy (1784) - transcript > • Dartmouth: Will of Sarah Prideaux (1849) - transcript > • Exeter: A Devonshire Worthy: William Jackson of Exeter (1882) - index > • Exeter: John Vowell alias Hooker (1882) - index > • Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index > • Exeter/St Petrock: The history of the Parish of St. Petrocks, Exeter, as shown by its Churchwardens accounts and other records (1882) - index > • Exeter/Cathedral: Will of John Leach (1613) - transcript > • Kenton: Will of John Atwill (1600) - transcript > • Northam: Will of William Smith, mariner (1829) - transcript > • Plymouth: Men and manners in Tudor Plymouth (1882) - index > • Sandford: Will of Robert Burrington (1646) - transcript > • Sandford: Will of Margaret Burrington (1655) - transcript > • Sandford: Will of Thomas Burrington (1620) - transcript > • Sandford: Abstract of will of Thomas Burrington (1657) - transcript > • Sandford: Abstract of will of Edward Delve (1654) - transcript > • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 1 - PDF > • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 2 - PDF > • Stokenham: Stokenham occasional papers, Book 3 - PDF > • Stokenham: Stokenham 800 - PDF > • Stokenham: Fragments of Local History - PDF > • Stokenham: Logbook of Huckham School (1877-1917) - PDF > > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon > Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 > FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = > http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock, age 99, buried 17 May 1827 at Dunkeswell. He is the right age to be my GGGG-Grandfather who was probably born at Hemyock ca 1728. Most researchers assume that Thomas was buried at Sheldon in 1784, with his wife Elizabeth buried there the next year. But there are no ages against the entries so it has always been a guess. Now I think Elizabeth might have been buried at Dunkeswell in 1791 and then Thomas married Mary SMYTH in 1793. She was buried there in 1823 age 93. I checked for baptisms after the marriage and found none. Does anyone know about this Thomas? Best wishes from Diana

Hi Paul: Agreed - but the difference is that there has been quite a lot of work done on techniques for doing approximate searching of surnames, which major search facilities take advantage of, compared to the situation with place names. I've not found a major search facility which uses the approach of looking up a table of variant place names - though I'd not be surprised if there is one or more that does it. Cheers Brian On 2 Jan 2014, at 21:41, Paul Hockie <paul.hockie@talk21.com> wrote: > Brian, > > The same, of course, applies to names, particularly as you move back to the > 16/17th century. > > The National Archives uses the brackets approach to ensure that any > reference can be found from the standard name. One other approach I have > seen is that the query first takes the "old" spelling and looks up the > standard spelling from a table. The query then only runs against the > standard spelling and only the standard spelling is included in the record. > This seems to be more common amongst Irish and Scottish names with Mc, Mac, > O' as well as Gaelic spelling. Both approaches often have a soundex (or > equivalent) and/or a drop down based options. > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Brian Randell > Sent: 01 January 2014 23:17 > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Brian Randell > Subject: [DEV] Finding places: WAS Mary Jane VOOGHT [SMERDON] died 1952 > > Hi: > > Kate's account of how to find places is very useful - at least for > *present-day* place names. > > However, a big problem for which there doesn't seem to be a good general > solution, is how to find places which are named on old documents, > transcriptions, etc., when spelling was erratic, and all sorts of spelling > errors can have crept in. Various major search facilities do a reasonably > good job of finding variant surnames, but I don't know of any which make > good allowance for variant, mis-spelled, or archaic place names. (Does > anybody?) Certainly services like StreetMapUK are completely unforgiving > with regard to place name spelling - for example it will not find "Liverton" > if one searches for "Livertone" or "Leverton". > > This is a problem we have faced in preparing the Devon Wills Project (DWP) > database for inclusion in the National Wills Index (NWI) - which > incidentally has a particularly good facility for searching surname > variants, a facility which we are looking forward to being able to use on > DWP. > > The (labour-intensive) solution we have adopted is to add manually, enclosed > in square brackets, the "standard" parish name after any variant parish > name, or non-parish place name). It would I suppose be possible to produce a > "complete" variant parish name index for Devon using these additions to the > DWP database, but given the additions we have made this isn't needed for > NWI's DWP search place name service, so isn't currently planned. > > The extent of the problem is illustrated by the fact that we've found, for > example, no less than 12 variants of Paignton, 17 of Clovelly, and 46 of > Bishopsteignton in our DWP database! > > Even for Plymouth we've found a couple of dozen, namely: Playmouth, > Pleamouth, Plemothe, Plimmouth, Plimo, Plimoath, Plimoth, Plimouh, Plimouth, > Plimouthe, Plinoth, Plumouth, Ply, Plymmothe, Plymmouth, Plymmouthe, > Plymmowth, Plymoath, Plymomouth, Plymoth, Plymothe, Plymouth, Plymouthe, > Plympmouth, and Plymth! > > In these circumstances about all I can offer, in addition to Kate's advice, > and the use of standard place name reference books, such as Gover, J.E.B, > Mawer, A. and Stenton, F.M. (eds.) The Place-names of Devon. Cambridge: > University Press (1931) 2 vols and Wilson, John M. The Imperial Gazetteer of > England and Wales. Six Volumes. Edinburgh, Scotland: A. Fullerton, 1870, > are: > > - The Online Gazetteer derived from White's 1850 Dictionary: > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Gazetteer/ > > - Guide to the Manors of Devon: http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonManors/ > > (both the above enable one to identify the parish a given place belongs > to) > > - Various other references listed at > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/index.html#NamesGeographical > > Suggestions for improving this listing are welcome. > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > > On 1 Jan 2014, at 12:26, Kate Burhouse wrote: > >> Hi Bev >> >> When trying to find a location in the UK, our Ordnance Survey maps are >> invaluable. All the places shown on the 1:50,000 maps are indexed and >> you can search on this site: >> >> http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ >> >> If you search for Liverton, you'll find 3 entries in Devon. One is a >> farm near Exmouth, but the other two are in the area that you're > interested in. >> The links take you to the 1:50,000 OS map (zoom level 4), and if you >> zoom in another layer it takes you to the 1:25,000 map which is >> detailed enough to show field boundaries and in this case shows 'Old >> Leys Wood' but does not name the actual farm (unusual). There are >> buildings near the wood which look likely, so zoom in again and you'll see > them marked as 'Old Leys Farm'. >> >> http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=280558&Y=75394&A=Y&Z=106 >> >> Now that you have a location you can look at the Historical maps for >> the area on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html >> >> Just copy the coordinates from the Streetmap webpage (280558,75394) >> and enter them on the Old Maps website, then select from the various >> available maps on the right hand side of the page - the 1:2,500 are >> the most detailed and make sure you zoom in to see the best detail. >> >>> From this you'll see that back in 1905 it was known as 'Old Lays' >>> farm/wood >> so this may help with research. >> >> The other thing that I like to do (and you probably already know >> about) is to take a virtual stroll down the road using Google maps or > Earth... >> >> http://tinyurl.com/p6gu7ma >> >> With best wishes >> >> Kate >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of B. Edmonds >>> Sent: 01 January 2014 05:16 >>> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [DEV] Mary Jane VOOGHT [SMERDON] died 1952 >>> >>> I am stuck again. >>> >>> Does anyone know where Old Leys Farm, Liverton is? >>> Liverton is not in the Gazatteer so assume it is meant to Tiverton. >>> >>> The name is from the Index to Ancestry Wills, which now I cannot find >>> to double check, somewhere on a memory stick I suppose. She died 17 >>> Dec >>> 1952 and I would love to know where she is buried also. Her husband I >>> believe is Sydney John VOOGHT born 1870 at East Ogwell, anyone have >>> his birth date please? He died 21 Mar 1917 at Rattery, and assume he >>> is buried there. >>> >>> They married Mar Q 1893 at East Stonehouse. >>> >>> I am no good with Google maps, they confuse me. >>> >>> Bev >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >>> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >>> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 > FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Thank you for the Treleaven Diaries very enjoyable. You would think it easy to follow the line that belongs to your family tree as Morton is quite small (local to me growing up as I come from Plymouth). However no such luck as my interest is the GERMON family, John Harvey Germon being my Grandfather who moved to Plymouth and brought his family with him. All the boys became sailors in the Navy). My G.G. and GGGgrandfather were both called William and one I believe was a Tailor married to Mary Wotton. As the Germon tribe seems to be immense it I think I will have to visit the actual church records. Should anyone know any little nugget of knowledge that might help I would be grateful to follow it up. A healthy and Happy New Year to you all. Veronica Germon-Kells. -------------------------------------------------- From: "mick" <bareman@tpg.com.au> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 5:39 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Moretnhampstead 1799-1830 > On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 15:53:34 +1100 > "Mike Steer" <msteer@exemail.com.au> wrote: > > Mike I found this diary before I found the Devon List. > > There are a couple of entries relevant to my family that I thought could > lead me down interesting paths but sadly one, William Howe killed aug 1799 > aboard HMS Brunswick got lost in the Archives. another a different William > Howe was a "Toll Troll" on the Dunsford Turnpike 1800-1803, couldn't find > any further references. > > When I finish rebuilding my tree and merging it with my late father's work > on his mothers line I'll get back to it. > > mick >> Thanks Joy: Fascinating, Happy New Year, Mike. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of Joy Langdon >> Sent: Sunday, 22 December 2013 1:31 AM >> To: Devon@Rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Moretnhampstead 1799-1830 >> >> I have just come across Silvester Treleaven's Diary on the >> Moretonhampstead >> History Society website and it is a fascinating glimpse of what life was >> like in the Napoleonic War period with militia marching in and out of >> town, >> visits by the press gang etc. Well worth a look if you haven't already >> found it and you might find a mention of an ancestor if they are from >> Moretonhampstead (especially if they died during the period!) It also >> mentions people and events in other places in Devon. It has some amusing >> incidents among the lists of deaths. >> http://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/texts/sources/trelchron.ghtml >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry.com has the marriage details: 15 February 1857, Islington Parish Church, Middlesex, by License Matthew Henry Burgoyne, Full Age, Widower, Master Mariner, of St. Katherines Tower, Father: Joseph Barnell Burgoyne, Chemist Caroline Anne Gray, Full Age, Spinster, of 1 Wellington St. Islington, Father Alexander Gray, Merchant Witnesses: M. holmes MD & A Holing (Spelling to be checked) Both MH & CA signed, as did witnesses. 1861 Census RG9/394 F145 P26 21, Amersham Vale, Saint Paul Deptford, Deptford This looks like Caroline, age 30, Mariners Wife, born Lower Compton and son Alexander age 1, born Deptford, Kent as a Lodger in the household of Annie Ward from Yorkshire. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Burgoyne > On 3 Jan 2014 at 7:54, Peter wrote: > >> Adele, >> >> I assume you have more than just a name. Can you give us all the info you >> have. >> >> Peter >> >> >> My sister has given me a task. find out about a Margaret M. Burgoyne, now >> did >> check up the 1911 Census, nearest I got was a Mary M. Burgoyne, now I >> don't >> know if its her maiden or married name.. trying to find out more, could >> have >> had a big house with staff Happy New year from the south pacfic.. New >> Zealand, >> our weather, summer has got lost its more like the English summers I >> remember >> as a child living at home in London! And having caravan holidays down >> in >> Devon. Thank you Adele Clareville NZ > > I have an M.H. Burgoyne who married Caroline Gray in 1857. > > According to FreeBMD he was Matthew Henry and the marriage took place in > Islington, so I'm not sure that there's a Devon connection. > > > -- > Keep well, > Steve Hayes > Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm > E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

There aren't many Burgoynes around but we are spread fairly thinly over the whole country. Don't make the mistake of assuming that because the name is slightly unusual that we are all related. There are quite a lot of Burgoynes in Devon, including my lot in the South Hams and at least 4 other lines who are probably related, but with missing links, probably around the Blackawton area in the 1730s. The family probably originated in North Devon - I have seen a claim that there was a Bergoine in the Domesday book near Bideford but I have never been able to track down an authoritative reference. You should be able to go back from 1911 through the GRO and censuses to refine where the family came from; it's unreasonable to expect this list to do that for you. If you find a definite link to Devon then this list may be able to help but you need to give more detail. If it is from the South Hams, then I have quite a lot of linked information but I don't have information about 20th century Burgoynes other than my direct family. There is a Burgoyne One-Name society which you can find on the GOON web site. Chris Burgoyne OPC for Aveton Gifford Hingston One-Name study group On 03/01/2014 10:41, elizabeth howard wrote: > Hi, any other details like places ? dates ? > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 7:02 PM > Subject: [DEV] Burgoyne > > >> My sister has given me a task. find out about a Margaret M. Burgoyne, now >> did check up the 1911 Census, nearest I got was a Mary M. Burgoyne, now I >> don't know if its her maiden or married name.. trying to find out more, >> could have had a big house with staff >> >> >> >> Happy New year from the south pacfic.. New Zealand, our weather, summer >> has >> got lost its more like the English summers I remember as a child living at >> home in London! And having caravan holidays down in Devon. >> >> >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> Adele >> >> Clareville NZ >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message