<<snipped>> looking on the Ancestry site my understanding is that they only have: Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1581-1619 and 1649-1660 Wills Proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1383-1629, 1653-1660, 1671-1675 & 1686-1700. This leaves many gaps especially for Wills from 1700 to 1858. <<snipped>> http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=5111 is for access to "England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858". I'm looking currently at responses from this dataset dated 1616 thru 1853 and these link to images of the wills themselves - well, the legal copies of them. So no, they are not indexes only, as was suggested elsewhere. Now whether all the searches are linked up to this dataset yet, I'm not sure. I've a vague feeling I once saw a dataset announced and accessible from its own page but not from a generic search page on the first day - which is what this is, as it only came out today (ish?). Adrian B

Hello Liz: This part of Ann Evan's story reminds me of one from my own ancestral trail.... One of the unmarried ladies always had a boarder/lodger living at her house, yet every couple of years she had another child. The boarder was in fact her common law husband, but in that area, in that time, people frowned on that relationship and therefore he became the boarder. Perhaps John Evans was her common law husband. Something to think about. Sher At 07:47 PM 07/01/2014 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Joy, > >Thanks for your very detailed response and suggestions. I understand very >well about deaths/burials being important as I did a lot of work on a >family that was the only good match for a Scottish ancestor's family of >origin and then subsequently found records showing that the family had >briefly moved to another parish and that the same-named person I'd thought >was my ancestor had died as a child in an epidemic in that other parish. >Since then I have always kept at the front of my mind that just because >someone seems like a good match, that doesn't mean they are the person I'm >seeking. > >John Kinsman alias Evans named one of his children Charles, which was the >name of one of Ann Evans the elder's children. Subsequent generations also >used the name Thomas which was another of Ann the elder's children's names. >I almost included this information in my second response to Paul, but since >they were common given names I wasn't sure it meant anything. None of John >Kinsman alias Evans's known children match Elizabeth Evans's children's >given names. > >Unfortunately none of the bastardy bonds I have personally read for >Hartland in the late 1700's and earliest 1800's name the child. The two >children of John Kinsman have been easiest to identify and trace because in >both cases there are an examination and a bastardy bond, with both records >naming John Kinsman as the father, and in both cases the mother baptized >the child using both parents' surnames, which the child then used >themselves. I know it is possible that John Kinsman's father John Kinsman >could have been the father, or that a third man named John Kinsman may have >been in Hartland at the time and just not left other records that I've >found so far, which is why I always try to use phrases like "he's most >likely to be the father" and "I believe he probably is." > >The Evans and Kinsman families don't seem to have been in touch at all >after the bastardy bond was issued. John Kinsman alias Evans seems to have >been much closer to his wife's family and I have no evidence to date that >he ever even saw the Kinsmans at any point after his birth beyond possibly >running into each other around the parish. After the bastardy bond and >baptism the next record I have for him is his parish apprenticeship when he >was age 8, and I'm not even sure if he saw his mother again after that >(assuming he was still living with her when he was indentured, which I >don't know for sure). Since John Kinsman alias Evans was apprenticed on 6 >June 1804 and Ann was still pregnant when she was examined in December >1804, he would have definitely left home before the next child was born, >though I agree it still would have been rather odd for the same Ann Evans >to name a second child John. But I don't know whether the same Ann gave >birth to both children. > >Since you and Paul both think George and Rebecca Evans are the best >candidates for Ann's ancestor, it seems that I have been on the right track >in trying to reconstruct all the family relationships and should continue >on with my reconstruction work, long and confusing as it may sometimes be. > >Thanks again for all your ideas! >Liz Loveland >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and >the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >List archive for Devon can be found at >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message >Internal Virus Database is out of date. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5704 - Release Date: 03/25/13 >19:45:00

Liz, Ann was probably from Hartland as, from what you are saying , she was not returned to her home parish along with the children. Familysearch has: Ann Evans England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 19 September 1779 HARTLAND,DEVON,ENGLAND mother: Elizabeth Evans Anne Evans England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 16 January 1759 HARTLAND,DEVON,ENGLAND father: George Evans mother: Rebecca Interestingly Ann d Elizabeth named 2 of her 5 illegitimate children George and Rebecca and George and Rebecca had a d Elizabeth b 1755. You need to look at the original parish records to see if they contain additional information. The LDS seem to have a film copy otherwise I think you can order copies from Devon Records Office but this may prove expensive. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Loveland Sent: 07 January 2014 17:58 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Tracing mother of an 'illegitimate' child Hi all, I am seeking suggestions on tracing the mother of an 'illegitimate' child. John Kinsman alias Evans was born to Ann Evans in Hartland in 1796 and baptized at the parish church in Hartland, also in 1796. I have his baptism record and his bastardy bond and have traced him forward in time through his long life to his death. The bastardy bond lists the father, John Kinsman, and the child's exact date of birth. Ann's bastardy bond testimony indicates that she had an ongoing relationship with the father John at the time, though it does not specify whether it was exclusively a sexual relationship and I have found no evidence to date that they ever married. I located a second bastardy bond with the same father's name, John Kinsman, and a different mother (Sarah Wakely); that child was born in 1799 and there seems to only be one local candidate for the father of both children, as John Kinsman/Kingsman was not a common name in that place and time. However I have been completely stuck on tracing Ann Evans since discovering all of this a couple of years ago. There are a number of other 'illegitimate' births to women with the surname Evans in the latter part of the 1700's and the earliest 1800's in Hartland, including some with mothers named Ann Evans. The North Devon Record Office told me that that they think it is plausible that all the 'illegitimate' births to Ann Evanses could be to a single Ann Evans. However there appears to only be a surviving bastardy bond for one other Evans child (1804, interestingly specifying "Ann Evans the younger") and the baptism records for the 'illegitimate' Evans children only list the mothers. The other Ann Evans bastardy bond doesn't provide anything to indicate whether it is the same Ann Evans as the mother of John Kinsman alias Evans, and I have found no records so far that indicate anything specific about Ann Evans herself (parentage, age, etc). The younger John was placed in a husbandy apprenticeship at age 8 via the parish so he ceased to live with his mother at that point (if he was still living with her then), and his baptism and bastardy bond are the only records I have on him that list any parents at all. I have a hypothesis that the Evans women who were having 'illegitimate' children in Hartland around the same time may have been related to each other. But without any documents showing whether any of these things are true, both North Devon RO's theory and mine will stay in the realm of only-theories. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I can try next? Thank you, Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA -- Liz Loveland lovelandfamilyhistory@gmail.com Blog transcribing a Victorian diary: http://addiessojourn.wordpress.com/ Genealogy & history blog: http://adventuresingenealogy.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joy, Thanks for your very detailed response and suggestions. I understand very well about deaths/burials being important as I did a lot of work on a family that was the only good match for a Scottish ancestor's family of origin and then subsequently found records showing that the family had briefly moved to another parish and that the same-named person I'd thought was my ancestor had died as a child in an epidemic in that other parish. Since then I have always kept at the front of my mind that just because someone seems like a good match, that doesn't mean they are the person I'm seeking. John Kinsman alias Evans named one of his children Charles, which was the name of one of Ann Evans the elder's children. Subsequent generations also used the name Thomas which was another of Ann the elder's children's names. I almost included this information in my second response to Paul, but since they were common given names I wasn't sure it meant anything. None of John Kinsman alias Evans's known children match Elizabeth Evans's children's given names. Unfortunately none of the bastardy bonds I have personally read for Hartland in the late 1700's and earliest 1800's name the child. The two children of John Kinsman have been easiest to identify and trace because in both cases there are an examination and a bastardy bond, with both records naming John Kinsman as the father, and in both cases the mother baptized the child using both parents' surnames, which the child then used themselves. I know it is possible that John Kinsman's father John Kinsman could have been the father, or that a third man named John Kinsman may have been in Hartland at the time and just not left other records that I've found so far, which is why I always try to use phrases like "he's most likely to be the father" and "I believe he probably is." The Evans and Kinsman families don't seem to have been in touch at all after the bastardy bond was issued. John Kinsman alias Evans seems to have been much closer to his wife's family and I have no evidence to date that he ever even saw the Kinsmans at any point after his birth beyond possibly running into each other around the parish. After the bastardy bond and baptism the next record I have for him is his parish apprenticeship when he was age 8, and I'm not even sure if he saw his mother again after that (assuming he was still living with her when he was indentured, which I don't know for sure). Since John Kinsman alias Evans was apprenticed on 6 June 1804 and Ann was still pregnant when she was examined in December 1804, he would have definitely left home before the next child was born, though I agree it still would have been rather odd for the same Ann Evans to name a second child John. But I don't know whether the same Ann gave birth to both children. Since you and Paul both think George and Rebecca Evans are the best candidates for Ann's ancestor, it seems that I have been on the right track in trying to reconstruct all the family relationships and should continue on with my reconstruction work, long and confusing as it may sometimes be. Thanks again for all your ideas! Liz Loveland

Hi again, Marie, Thanks for responding again. You said, "Just a small point - the Ann in question may be the widow of one of the Evans men.........." I'm not sure which Ann Evans you're referencing, but as I mentioned in response to Paul, the examinations and bastardy bonds call my Ann Evans a "singlewoman." The parish register also lists the children as base-born. If Ann were a widow, would both these things have been phrased the way they were? There could definitely have been at least two separate Ann Evanses giving birth to children in Hartland. There is a big gap in births before and after John's birth, whichever Ann gave birth to John Kinsman alias Evans. Thanks again, Liz Loveland

Has anyone access to the original or a photo-copy of Stoke Damerel registers? I am interested in the marriage of William CROCKER on I believe 20/08/1769 but two sources have given me two different brides - Betsy HAMLYN and Elizabeth FAGEN. Which is correct? David Henwood CFHS 00037 DFHS 00135

Hi Marie, Thanks for answering with your suggestion. I have gotten partway there over the past couple of years but the same given names repeat so much, with so many 'illegitimate' births to Evans women and so few surviving bastardy bonds, that I have been finding it hard to sort out who's who from record to record. I had hoped someone might have a suggestion for a type of record that I hadn't considered, but it sounds like you and Paul agree that the reconstruction of the Evans family in Hartland is my best chance at sorting everyone out. So I will keep on going with it. Thanks again for your idea! Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA

Hi again, Paul, Thanks for answering again with more ideas. I was hoping that someone had a strategy idea that I hadn't considered, but it sounds like I may be at the end of the road. :-) I did look through the results on A2A which is how I first located the bastardy bonds. The examination of Ann Evans and the bastardy bond against John Kinsman for Ann's child both call Ann "of Hartland" and the examination says that the child is "likely to be born a Bastard, and to be chargeable to the said parish of Hartland" which does indeed indicate that Ann was legally settled there. They also state that Ann was a "singlewoman" which suggests she likely had right of settlement via her father, though if she had been born 'illegitimately' to Elizabeth Evans, perhaps it was through her mother? The parish must have cut it extremely close to the birth as pregnant Ann was examined on January 23rd and the bastardy bond states that the child was born on January 29th! The subsequent examination of "Ann Evans the younger" in 1804 also calls that Ann "of Hartland," and if my Ann is the same Ann baptized by Elizabeth Evans in 1779, she certainly could have given birth to both children. If these two births are both for a younger Ann Evans, then an elder Ann Evans seems to have given birth to at least three 'illegitimate' children, probably in Hartland as they were all baptized there: Grace (bap. 1778), Charles (bap. 1781), and Thomas (bap. 1784). The only removal order I have found so far regarding these families is for a couple that seem to be John Kinsman's brother and sister-in-law, who were removed to Clovelly in 1816 according to the A2A entry; that is one record for which I have yet to obtain a copy of the original. One of my relatives who descends from the Evans and Kinsman families has done autosomal DNA testing but unfortunately we have had no matches for our Evans/Kinsman branch yet. Thanks again for all your ideas! Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA

Hello Tim Thank you for this information but looking on the Ancestry site my understanding is that they only have: Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1581-1619 and 1649-1660 Wills Proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1383-1629, 1653-1660, 1671-1675 & 1686-1700. This leaves many gaps especially for Wills from 1700 to 1858. Please correct me if I have missed something here. The full set are of course available on The National Archives web site. Mike Shropshire, UK __________________________________________ On 07/01/2014 12:32, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) wrote: > Just in case no one has seen, Ancestry now has copies of PCC Wills, so > any one with an Ancestry sub should be able to see a copy of any PCC Will. > > Tim Treeby

Hi Sher, Thank you for answering. I guess I am still not being clear enough so let me repeat that I have copies of the vital records from the original register pages, not transcriptions. Since I am in Massachusetts, unfortunately going to the North Devon Record Office in person is not feasible for me. In this situation the register page copies have not provided me with additional information. The person recording entries in Hartland at the time seems to have been rather bare-bones about it as there is not always even an occupation listed. With regards to Ann Evans and John Kinsman (the subject of my original post), I have gotten much more information from the bastardy bonds and the mother examinations than I have from the parish register entries. (Yes, I also have copies of the original bonds and examinations.) Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA

Liz: Many times there are items in the original parish registers that tell us things we need to know, and that were not transcribed. For instance, her age, or the parish in which she was born. The parish clerk often wrote notes at the bottom of the page about people on that page and these are NEVER transcribed into any database. It is therefore necessary to go to the record office - in your case, North Devon - to see a microfilm of the "real" pages. Unless of course the LDS microfilms are exactly the same ones in which case you could order them in to your local FHS. But, you MUST see the originals just in case. IGI and other online sources are just not efficient resources - they serve only to point you in a direction - right or wrong direction - its a gamble in many cases. So, take it from someone who has been doing this for 40 years - go to Devon or see the originals the best way you can - its the only way - and you still might not get your answer. Often we meet a brick wall that is truly insurmountable!! Not all documentation survives or was even made for us to find. Sher At 03:32 PM 07/01/2014 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > >Thank you for investigating on my behalf. I agree that Ann quite likely at >a minimum had legal right to settlement in Hartland by the time she gave >birth since the parish didn't have her removed. I also agree that it is >possible that "my" Ann was the Ann born 'illegitimately' to Elizabeth Evans >in 1779. The 1779 Ann would also be a good age match for John Kinsman as >the best candidate for John is the John Kinsman baptized in 1773 in >Hartland. But since I have no records so far to suggest anything about >Ann's age, parentage, birth place, etc, I do not know whether she actually >is the Ann born to Elizabeth Evans. I've been trying to find some record >that I can definitively tie to "my" Ann that would give me a little more >information on her so that I could get a better idea of whether she really >is, for example, the Ann born to Elizabeth Evans or not. > >I apologize if I was not clear enough in my previous email. When I said >that I have baptism records I meant that I have copies of the original >records, not transcriptions. > >Thanks again, >Liz Loveland >Massachusetts, USA >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and >the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >List archive for Devon can be found at >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message >Internal Virus Database is out of date. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5704 - Release Date: 03/25/13 >19:45:00

Hi Paul, Thank you for investigating on my behalf. I agree that Ann quite likely at a minimum had legal right to settlement in Hartland by the time she gave birth since the parish didn't have her removed. I also agree that it is possible that "my" Ann was the Ann born 'illegitimately' to Elizabeth Evans in 1779. The 1779 Ann would also be a good age match for John Kinsman as the best candidate for John is the John Kinsman baptized in 1773 in Hartland. But since I have no records so far to suggest anything about Ann's age, parentage, birth place, etc, I do not know whether she actually is the Ann born to Elizabeth Evans. I've been trying to find some record that I can definitively tie to "my" Ann that would give me a little more information on her so that I could get a better idea of whether she really is, for example, the Ann born to Elizabeth Evans or not. I apologize if I was not clear enough in my previous email. When I said that I have baptism records I meant that I have copies of the original records, not transcriptions. Thanks again, Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA

Elizabeth Howard wrote in part, "I must take issue with Liz Loveland`s comment ... This is so far from the facts but is the common belief thanks to Dickens " and "A 103 yrs old acquaintance of mine , a retired teacher, remembers the workhouse boys coming to school , each and every one of them clean and neatly turned out in good quality jacket trousers and boots." First, let me note that I was referencing the early days of the Poor Law Union workhouse system, well before anyone living would have been alive to remember anything about it. As to Elizabeth's statement that my previous email is "so far from the facts," I wouldn't even know where to begin in response so I will simply say that I strongly disagree and repeat my suggestion that anyone interested read some of the early Poor Law Union staff correspondence that is digitized on the National Archives site, as well as early governmental investigations/reports on the then-new system and other original documentation about the early implementation of the Poor Law Union workhouse system. And don't worry, everyone, I will now cease responding to this thread. Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA

HI all >From what I read in these two emails it seems that Ancestry has listed the Index Library volumes. These are INDEXES only and are NOT copies of the PCC Wills and Admins. These Index Library volumes are available in any major City or University library and we have them in our Toronto Reference Library. Some years ago I used these 11+ volumes to extract all of the Devonians I saw there and sent off the results to Brian Randell for GenukiDevon where they are to this day thus making them making them available to all. So why not go there first?? My explanatory note (also included @ GenukiDevon) will tell you where you can get copies and the source I used for my many preinternet years was our local Family History LDS Library. The LDS has filmed the actual PCC wills and by using these Index Library volumes I was able find the required register and folio number for some of my own people who had had the misfortune (or good luck for me as it turned out) to die outside of Devon and the jurisdiction of the Diocese of Exeter. From those LDS films I was able to get photocopies to take home to read in peace and quiet! This is where you will find all the Devonians listed in these Index Library volumes: PCC Wills http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonWills/index.html PCC Admins http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonAdministrations/index.html Incidentally, all of these Devonians are included in the Devon Wills Project for any names of your own people. Always remember too that you should check for variants in the spelling of their surnames as, in those olden times, names were often written as they sounded to the listener and not as we know the standard spellings of today. For the PCC wills from 1700-1749 I have not yet found an index but those of later years 1750 to (I think) 1800 were extracted by Anthony Camp of the Society of Genealogists, published many years ago and they too must also be available in City/University libraries. Due to our tremendous loss of old wills, the Estate Duty Office in London supplied copies of their EDO wills of later years to the Devon Record Office. >From all of this you can see that there are lots of places to check to find indexes of the old PCC Wills and Admins but the short cut for all of these published indexes and other places is the GenukiDevon Devon Wills Project which should be the very FIRST port of call for old Devon wills. There are all sorts of previously unknown sources having transcripts or even original wills that are being found by volunteers looking for them all over the place including the Internet and, as they are being found, they are included in this Devon Wills Project. Jean Harris in a VERY cold Toronto, Ontario On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Michael J Hulme wrote: > Hello Tim > > Thank you for this information but looking on the Ancestry site my > understanding is that they only have: > > Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1581-1619 and > 1649-1660 > > Wills Proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1383-1629, > 1653-1660, 1671-1675 & 1686-1700. > > This leaves many gaps especially for Wills from 1700 to 1858. > > Please correct me if I have missed something here. > > The full set are of course available on The National Archives web site. > > Mike > Shropshire, UK > __________________________________________ > > On 07/01/2014 12:32, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) wrote: >> Just in case no one has seen, Ancestry now has copies of PCC Wills, so >> any one with an Ancestry sub should be able to see a copy of any PCC Will. >> >> Tim Treeby > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I am seeking suggestions on tracing the mother of an 'illegitimate' child. John Kinsman alias Evans was born to Ann Evans in Hartland in 1796 and baptized at the parish church in Hartland, also in 1796. I have his baptism record and his bastardy bond and have traced him forward in time through his long life to his death. The bastardy bond lists the father, John Kinsman, and the child's exact date of birth. Ann's bastardy bond testimony indicates that she had an ongoing relationship with the father John at the time, though it does not specify whether it was exclusively a sexual relationship and I have found no evidence to date that they ever married. I located a second bastardy bond with the same father's name, John Kinsman, and a different mother (Sarah Wakely); that child was born in 1799 and there seems to only be one local candidate for the father of both children, as John Kinsman/Kingsman was not a common name in that place and time. However I have been completely stuck on tracing Ann Evans since discovering all of this a couple of years ago. There are a number of other 'illegitimate' births to women with the surname Evans in the latter part of the 1700's and the earliest 1800's in Hartland, including some with mothers named Ann Evans. The North Devon Record Office told me that that they think it is plausible that all the 'illegitimate' births to Ann Evanses could be to a single Ann Evans. However there appears to only be a surviving bastardy bond for one other Evans child (1804, interestingly specifying "Ann Evans the younger") and the baptism records for the 'illegitimate' Evans children only list the mothers. The other Ann Evans bastardy bond doesn't provide anything to indicate whether it is the same Ann Evans as the mother of John Kinsman alias Evans, and I have found no records so far that indicate anything specific about Ann Evans herself (parentage, age, etc). The younger John was placed in a husbandy apprenticeship at age 8 via the parish so he ceased to live with his mother at that point (if he was still living with her then), and his baptism and bastardy bond are the only records I have on him that list any parents at all. I have a hypothesis that the Evans women who were having 'illegitimate' children in Hartland around the same time may have been related to each other. But without any documents showing whether any of these things are true, both North Devon RO's theory and mine will stay in the realm of only-theories. Does anyone have any suggestions for what I can try next? Thank you, Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA -- Liz Loveland lovelandfamilyhistory@gmail.com Blog transcribing a Victorian diary: http://addiessojourn.wordpress.com/ Genealogy & history blog: http://adventuresingenealogy.wordpress.com/

Just in case no one has seen, Ancestry now has copies of PCC Wills, so any one with an Ancestry sub should be able to see a copy of any PCC Will. Tim Treeby

On further look at the Ancestry.com site, they show a continuous list of wills available for PROB 11: Will Registers. http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5111 >From this it is hard to see that there are any gaps in the coverage. Wayne Shepheard Cornwood OPC -----Original Message----- From: Michael J Hulme Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:41 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon Wills Hello Tim Thank you for this information but looking on the Ancestry site my understanding is that they only have: Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1581-1619 and 1649-1660 Wills Proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1383-1629, 1653-1660, 1671-1675 & 1686-1700. This leaves many gaps especially for Wills from 1700 to 1858. Please correct me if I have missed something here. The full set are of course available on The National Archives web site. Mike Shropshire, UK __________________________________________ On 07/01/2014 12:32, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) wrote: > Just in case no one has seen, Ancestry now has copies of PCC Wills, so > any one with an Ancestry sub should be able to see a copy of any PCC Will. > > Tim Treeby ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, I did a search for my family surname, without specifying any particular area, and found many wills within the gaps you stated. The same thing happened for a search of just wills in Devon. While there may be some gaps, it does appear the list is fairly complete. What I did not find were wills that I have for that period that were proved at Totnes. Wayne Shepheard Cornwood OPC -----Original Message----- From: Michael J Hulme Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:41 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon Wills Hello Tim Thank you for this information but looking on the Ancestry site my understanding is that they only have: Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1581-1619 and 1649-1660 Wills Proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1383-1629, 1653-1660, 1671-1675 & 1686-1700. This leaves many gaps especially for Wills from 1700 to 1858. Please correct me if I have missed something here. The full set are of course available on The National Archives web site. Mike Shropshire, UK __________________________________________ On 07/01/2014 12:32, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) wrote: > Just in case no one has seen, Ancestry now has copies of PCC Wills, so > any one with an Ancestry sub should be able to see a copy of any PCC Will. > > Tim Treeby ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello John I paid the renewal online on the 1st January. I have the World Pay receipt number if you need it. Regards Judy Smith -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Leaman Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 2:07 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Devon FHS 2014 Membership. *Devon FHS **2014 Membership.* A reminder: to receive your February Devon Family Historian on time, please renew your membership as soon as possible. The special offer for early membership renewal expires on 12th January. See details of the offer and the postal renewal form in your November 2013 Historian or renew online: http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/membership_renewal.php Renewing before this date also saves the Society the cost of sending out reminders. If you are considering joining Devon Family History Society for 2014, see http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/shop/membership_new.php to join online, or print the postal joining form on http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/applicationform.pdf The benefits of Devon FHS membership are shown on http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/about.htm#Why_join We look forward to hearing from you. Happy New Year! John Carr Membership Secretary membership@gmail.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thanks Elizabeth, she is obviously not the person I am looking for. Margaret On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:04 PM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi, the image shows that this is a council school and that > both Mary Ann aged 64 and her servant aged 73 are single . Mary Ann is > born > Plymouth Charles. > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Baensch" <margnb@gmail.com> > To: <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 11:23 PM > Subject: [DEV] TURNER,Mary Ann - Head Teacher of Plymouth Public Girls' > School > > > > Hello to all Listers & a Happy New Year > > > > I am seeking information about a Mary Ann TURNER (nee Hylton/Hilton). > > > > In the 1911 census index there is the following entry - > > Mary Ann TURNER - age 64 - School Mistress Head Teacher of Plymouth > Public > > (girl) - Devon - Born c 1847 Plymouth Devon > > > > Unfortunately it does not specify if she is a Miss or a Mrs. > > > > Does anyone have any information about this school, and in particular > this > > head mistress? > > > > Margaret in Australia > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >