Have you downloaded the PCC will of John Murphy, Topsham mariner 1782? Since the mariners of Topsham knew Newfoundland just like the backs of their hands perhaps they came from this direction! HAPPY TRAILS > 6. Michael MURPHY born c mid 1700s (Madalene Frost) > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:22:14 +1300 > From: Madalene Frost <mafrost@farmside.co.nz> > Subject: [DEV] Michael MURPHY born c mid 1700s > To: Devon L Geneology Webpage <DEVON-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <52CDEBB6.4070103@farmside.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I am relisting my interest in the above. I still would love to know from whence came Michael MURPHY, who > married Mary GOSLIN at Topsham, 10 Aug 1748. > This is the first Topsham MURPHY marriage on the IGI and their son > James, baptised 5 May 1751, is the first baptism of a MURPHY at Topsham > (IGI). > > There are many earlier MURPHY families at Braunton, Barnstaple and > Bideford, in nth Devon, but none around Topsham or Exeter as early. > > I*think* there may be an Ilfracombe connection. > A Michael MURPHY married Sarah STEEVENS at Ilfracombe, 30 Sept 1707. > They baptised children as follows: > > Sarah 28 Dec 1708 > > then a big gap > > Mary 18 Nov 1716 > John 11 Oct 1719 > Alice 13 May 1721 > Hannah 7 Oct 1726 > > Given that their first girl child was named for her mother, and that there are no Michaels noted, I speculate that > there may have been a Michael born in the big gap between 1708 and > 1716. > > Does anyone have access to records of the Ilfracombe baptisms for that period, who could > kindly do a lookup for me please. > > I would love to hear from anyone who descends from any of the above and > who may know of another child - possibly Michael - having been baptised > by them. It's another long shot, but here goes, again! > > Alternatively, does sks have a copy of the following book: > DUNSTAN, G J O > "The Seaborne Trade of Barnstaple, Bideford and Ilfracombe, 1660-1700", > Cambridge University Thesis (1972). > If so could I ask for a lookup of the name MURPHY please. > > I understand thatin the 1700s ships went from Youghal inIrelandto the Welsh coast on a regular basis. This has encouragedmy suspicion that Ilfracombe, situated so closel to the south of Wales, could have been the route toDevon of my early Murphys? > > Any new information would be very much appreciated. > > Cheers, Madalene Frost > Taihape, New Zealand

Many thanks for this. I found on Wikipedia: Records Unlike all other British Government records, the records from the East India Company (and its successor the India Office) are not in The National Archives at Kew, London, but are stored by the British Library in London as part of the Asia, Pacific, and Africa Collection: see India Office Records. The catalogue is searchable online in the Access to Archives catalogues.[37] Many of the East India Company records are freely available online under an agreement that the Families in British India Society have with the British Library. Published catalogues exist of East India Company ships' journals and logs, 1600-1834;[38] and of some of the Company's daughter institutions, including the East India Company College, Haileybury, and Addiscombe Military Seminary.[39] Mike -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of liverpud Sent: 09 January 2014 00:04 To: DEVON-L Subject: [DEV] East India Company A Register of Ships, Employed in the Service of the Honorable United East India Company 1760-1810. on Google Books By the late Charles Hardy & Horatio Charles Hardy - a fascinating book on vessels, captains, payment of wages, uniforms, stocking of ships, etc. Listing also of some of the crew. Found my 3rd Great-grandfather in there: Charles Olliver Worth 1749-1800 of Washfield and Bristol. Take a look. Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret,   Joshua James Hylton also joined the Royal Navy: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7937869   http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6587609   Joy ________________________________ From: Paul Hockie <paul.hockie@talk21.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com; DEVON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014, 20:19 Subject: Re: [DEV] TURNER, Henry John & Mary Ann (nee Hylton/Hilton) Margaret, I think this is the service record of your Henry John Turner from the National Archives and can be downloaded for £3.36. If not there are another 14 hits. Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services. Registers. Name Turner, Henry John. Official Number: 71013. Place of Birth: Plymouth, Devon. Date of Birth: 30 April 1849. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6604111 You can follow his career from ships musters and pay books but these are not yet scanned so require a personal visit. These documents will also confirm whether the census records posed earlier are correct or whether he was on the high seas at the time of the census. Cheers Paul -----Original Message-----

Margaret, I think this is the service record of your Henry John Turner from the National Archives and can be downloaded for £3.36. If not there are another 14 hits. Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services. Registers. Name Turner, Henry John. Official Number: 71013. Place of Birth: Plymouth, Devon. Date of Birth: 30 April 1849. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6604111 You can follow his career from ships musters and pay books but these are not yet scanned so require a personal visit. These documents will also confirm whether the census records posed earlier are correct or whether he was on the high seas at the time of the census. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Baensch Sent: 08 January 2014 23:11 To: DEVON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] TURNER, Henry John & Mary Ann (nee Hylton/Hilton) Hello again Listers, I have a copy of the marriage certificate for Henry John TURNER, aged 21, R.N. Seaman of H.M.S. Cambridge, son of Henry John Turner, laborer, who married Mary Ann HYLTON, aged 20, daughter of William HYLTON, hatter, in the Parish Church of St. Peter, Plymouth, Devon, on 28.11.1869. I have not been able to find any trace of this couple in the online census records. Can anyone give me a clue where to look next. Thanks, Margaret in Australia ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to all that replied with info I will now relook at it. again many thanks, Regards George

Hello Again This could be the Ellen b 1858 with the Johns grandparents 1861 Census *4 Records found* *Piece:* RG9/1497 *Place:* High Bickington -Devon *Enumeration District:* 6 *Civil Parish:* St Giles In The Wood *Ecclesiastical Parish:* St Giles In The Wood *Folio:* 70 *Page:* 15 *Schedule:* 57 *Address:* Healand Cross ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks JOHNS Robert Head M M 70 Ag Lab Cornwall - Stockconlin JOHNS Ann Wife M F 66 Wife Devon - St Giles In The Wood JOHNS Sarah Dau U F 42 Serv Devon - St Giles In The Wood HEARD Ellen Grndau - F 2 Sussex - - :) Susan On 9/01/2014 3:37 PM, Lance L. Piatt wrote: > Dear List Members, > > I am working on putting the family of George HEARD & Grace JOHNS of Beaford together for a friend of mine. However, I ran into a small problem. > > > 1. The census records do not include a daughter by the name of Ellen HEARD who was born 11 Jan 1858 in Beaford. She does not appear in the immigration records of Ontario either when the family arrived. However, a death record was discovered that lists her maiden name of BOWDEN, and listed as their daughter. There is also an immigration record of her visiting her sister Jessie (Heard) STARKIE in New York. It appears that she may have married a Walter John BOWDEN (June Quarter 1896 St. Thomas 5b 119). > > 2. Again I find no census records of a son Sidney HEARD who was listed in the immigration records as being their son, born in 1860. I that there was a birth registered for a Sidney HEARD (June Quarter 1861 Chelmsford 4a 148) > > I tried to see if I could order the church records for Beaford, but it doesn’t appear that they are available after 1839. > > Is there anyway of proving or disproving the parentage of these kids. Is anyone available to do Beaford look-ups? > > Regards, > Lance > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi the 1861 Census shows this family 1861 Census *7 Records found* *Piece:* RG9/1499 *Place:* Dolton -Devon *Enumeration District:* 2d *Civil Parish:* Beaford *Ecclesiastical Parish:* Beaford *Folio:* 37 *Page:* 22 *Schedule:* 99 *Address:* Village ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks HEARD George Head M M 35 Stone Mason Devon - Beaford HEARD Grace Wife M F 31 Devon - Beaford HEARD Thomas Son - M 7 Scholar Devon - Chittlehampton HEARD Hannah Dau - F 5 Scholar Devon - Beaford HEARD Fanny Dau - F 1 Surrey - Epsom HEARD William Father W M 72 Stone Mason Devon - Beaford JOHNS Robert Nephew - M 13 Stone Mason Devon - St Giles There is also other Heards born Beaford Susan On 9/01/2014 3:37 PM, Lance L. Piatt wrote: > Dear List Members, > > I am working on putting the family of George HEARD & Grace JOHNS of Beaford together for a friend of mine. However, I ran into a small problem. > > > 1. The census records do not include a daughter by the name of Ellen HEARD who was born 11 Jan 1858 in Beaford. She does not appear in the immigration records of Ontario either when the family arrived. However, a death record was discovered that lists her maiden name of BOWDEN, and listed as their daughter. There is also an immigration record of her visiting her sister Jessie (Heard) STARKIE in New York. It appears that she may have married a Walter John BOWDEN (June Quarter 1896 St. Thomas 5b 119). > > 2. Again I find no census records of a son Sidney HEARD who was listed in the immigration records as being their son, born in 1860. I that there was a birth registered for a Sidney HEARD (June Quarter 1861 Chelmsford 4a 148) > > I tried to see if I could order the church records for Beaford, but it doesn’t appear that they are available after 1839. > > Is there anyway of proving or disproving the parentage of these kids. Is anyone available to do Beaford look-ups? > > Regards, > Lance > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Colin: The TNA advice you quote is a little strange, since their wills search facility, at: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/wills.htm does not - as far as I can tell - *itself* provide any means of searching using either the new or the old reference number. Take for example the will of Mariote Grouers (1402) - the first, and oldest, PROB 11 Devon will listed in the Devon Wills Project (DWP). You can locate this will easily on the TNA website using first name and surname, and so find -should you need it - that its (new) reference number is PROB 11/2A/33. However searching on "PROB 11/2A/33", "11/2A/33", "PROB 11/2A", or "11/2A", in the keyword search field (the only - remotely -relevant field) all fail to find it. BUT, if you have found a will, by e.g. using the testator's name, you get the opportunity to "Browse by reference" and so find wills with adjacent reference numbers. From their Help pages: > Should I search or browse? > When you are looking for records, it can be difficult to know whether to 'search' or 'browse'. It is always useful to start with a keyword search and see what results you get, as the record you are looking for may be described in detail in the catalogue. Start with a simple search on the main Discovery page, and use Advanced search if you are looking for a specific record. > If your search does not return the results you want or expect, browse through the list of our records by government department. Browsing is a useful tool because many of the records in our collection can't be found using a keyword search due to the limited amount of detail in the description field. As only a small proportion of our records can be searched for by name, place or subject, you will probably need to use the browse function as well as the search tool to get the best out of your research. So this would make it seem that reference numbers are for browsing, names are for searching. However the main TNA Search page (which you'll miss if you are focussed on wills) http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/ does allow searching by reference number *or* keyword, and here it is handy to have the new full reference. Unfortunately the list of PROB 11 wills that TNA provided to us for the DWP a few years ago just has the shorter form of reference. Cheers Brian On 9 Jan 2014, at 00:08, Colin Rosewell <rosewells@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > Please be aware that the long-form references for PCC wills at The > National Archives has changed. > > For example, the will of 'Will of Thomas Rowswell of Clayhidon, > Devon' previously having a Catalogue Reference: PROB11/106 and Image > Reference: 633 (i.e. PROB11/106/633) is now referenced as > PROB/11/106/324! So please check your reference. > > Advice from TNA is: > "When Discovery was launched in 2012 it combined both DocumentsOnline > and the Catalogue under one portal. The wills that were available > from DocumentsOnline were given new reference to make them searchable > under the new system and also not to conflict with any data that was > available in the catalogue." > > Cheers > Colin > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Well that is at least three of you interested. I had best set about doing a transcript. I like Jon's idea of getting it put on the website as an image. Then perhaps Tree House or DRO would like the original. Give me a week to get the transcript done. Cheers Monica On 8 January 2014 22:26, Peter Ferreira <peterferreira@rogers.com> wrote: > It is somewhat later, but I have a subsequent Thomas Bale: > > " Mary PHELPS, a daughter of John Phelps and Joan Salisbury, his wife, > was > baptized in Shepton Beauchamp, Somerset, on January 11th., 1813. At the > 1851 census for S. B., Mary 38 was an annuitant, living with niece Anna 16. > On November 20th., 1852, in Shepton Beauchamp church, Mary married Thomas > BALE, widower, cordwainer of Cullompton, in the presence of Wm. Harris and > ?Louiza? G. Phelps. At the 1871 census, Thomas was a farmer of 80 acres in > Teignmouth, Devon. Thomas died in 1882, in Newton Abbot, Devon; Mary died > in 1893 in Newton Abbot, Devon; Thomas and Mary had issue: > a. Mary Phelps BALE, born in Collumpton, Devon, about > 1851; > b. John Phelps BALE, born in Collumpton, Devon, on > October > 18th., 1853. " > > If anybody is interested, I have details of the children and grandchildren > of this Thomas and Mary BALE, all of them cousins of mine. > > Best wishes. > > > Peter Ferreira > Toronto, Canada. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Madalene Frost" <mafrost@farmside.co.nz> > To: <mgsmale@gmail.com>; <Devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:50 PM > Subject: [DEV] Thomas BALE of Cullompton > > > <snip> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I Margaret, following on from what Joy has found, believe this to be thhe same family in the 1851 Census. RG number: HO107 Piece:1907 Folio:255 Page:25 Reg. District:St Austell Sub District:St Austell Parish:St Austell Enum. District:1Q Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address:Old West Turnpike, St Austell County:Cornwall Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born ENGLAND, Elizabeth Wife Married F 71 1780 Cordwainer's Wife Perranzebulow, Cornwall ENGLAND, Humphry Son Unmarried M 28 1823 Tailor & Clothes Seller Padstow, Cornwall LYTTON, William Lodger Married M 35 1816 Hatter Carlisle, Cumberland LYTTON, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 31 1820 Hatter's Wife Hatherleigh, Devonshire LYTTON, Jane Lodger F 11 1840 Hatter's Daughter Deaf & Blind Colchester, Essex LYTTON, Mary Ann Lodger F 1 (1 YRS 9 MOS) 1850 Hatter's Daughter Newcastle upon Tyne PINCH, Julius Lodger Unmarried M 32 1819 Panssea BURBERRY, Mary Ann Lodger Married F 22 1829 St Austell, Cornwall VERCOE, David Lodger Unmarried M 37 1814 St Ewe, Cornwall On 09/01/2014 13:07, Joy Langdon wrote: > Hello Margaret, > > I have just found the marriage on Find My Past and I think it confirms that the 1871 census sighting is correct because Mary Ann's address at the time of the wedding is 5 Stoke Hill and Stoke Hill is where she and Elizabeth are in 1871. Also, the witnesses are G. Watson and Mary(?) Watson; I have been unable to trace the Michael Watts visiting in the 1871 census, perhaps the enumerator should have put Watson? > > Because, Mary Ann gave the birthplace of Newcastle and William Hylton was originally from Cumberland, I am wondering if she is the daughter of an earlier marriage? > > Joy >

I am relisting my interest in the above. I still would love to know from whence came Michael MURPHY, who married Mary GOSLIN at Topsham, 10 Aug 1748. This is the first Topsham MURPHY marriage on the IGI and their son James, baptised 5 May 1751, is the first baptism of a MURPHY at Topsham (IGI). There are many earlier MURPHY families at Braunton, Barnstaple and Bideford, in nth Devon, but none around Topsham or Exeter as early. I*think* there may be an Ilfracombe connection. A Michael MURPHY married Sarah STEEVENS at Ilfracombe, 30 Sept 1707. They baptised children as follows: Sarah 28 Dec 1708 then a big gap Mary 18 Nov 1716 John 11 Oct 1719 Alice 13 May 1721 Hannah 7 Oct 1726 Given that their first girl child was named for her mother, and that there are no Michaels noted, I speculate that there may have been a Michael born in the big gap between 1708 and 1716. Does anyone have access to records of the Ilfracombe baptisms for that period, who could kindly do a lookup for me please. I would love to hear from anyone who descends from any of the above and who may know of another child - possibly Michael - having been baptised by them. It's another long shot, but here goes, again! Alternatively, does sks have a copy of the following book: DUNSTAN, G J O "The Seaborne Trade of Barnstaple, Bideford and Ilfracombe, 1660-1700", Cambridge University Thesis (1972). If so could I ask for a lookup of the name MURPHY please. I understand thatin the 1700s ships went from Youghal inIrelandto the Welsh coast on a regular basis. This has encouragedmy suspicion that Ilfracombe, situated so closel to the south of Wales, could have been the route toDevon of my early Murphys? Any new information would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Madalene Frost Taihape, New Zealand

I am relisting my interest in the above. I still would love to know from whence came Michael MURPHY, who married Mary GOSLIN at Topsham, 10 Aug 1748. This is the first Topsham MURPHY marriage on the IGI and their son James, baptised 5 May 1751, is the first baptism of a MURPHY at Topsham (IGI). There are many earlier MURPHY families at Braunton, Barnstaple and Bideford, in nth Devon, but none around Topsham or Exeter as early. I*think* there may be an Ilfracombe connection. A Michael MURPHY married Sarah STEEVENS at Ilfracombe, 30 Sept 1707. They baptised children as follows: Sarah 28 Dec 1708 then a big gap Mary 18 Nov 1716 John 11 Oct 1719 Alice 13 May 1721 Hannah 7 Oct 1726 Given that their first girl child was named for her mother, and that there are no Michaels noted, I speculate that there may have been a Michael born in the big gap between 1708 and 1716. Does anyone have access to records of the Ilfracombe baptisms for that period, who could kindly do a lookup for me please. I would love to hear from anyone who descends from any of the above and who may know of another child - possibly Michael - having been baptised by them. It's another long shot, but here goes, again! Alternatively, does sks have a copy of the following book: DUNSTAN, G J O "The Seaborne Trade of Barnstaple, Bideford and Ilfracombe, 1660-1700", Cambridge University Thesis (1972). If so could I ask for a lookup of the name MURPHY please. I understand thatin the 1700s ships went from Youghal inIrelandto the Welsh coast on a regular basis. This has encouragedmy suspicion that Ilfracombe, situated so closel to the south of Wales, could have been the route toDevon of my early Murphys? Any new information would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Madalene Frost Taihape, New Zealand

Hello Margaret,   I have just found the marriage on Find My Past and I think it confirms that the 1871 census sighting is correct because Mary Ann's address at the time of the wedding is 5 Stoke Hill and Stoke Hill is where she and Elizabeth are in 1871.  Also, the witnesses are G. Watson and Mary(?) Watson; I have been unable to trace the Michael Watts visiting in the 1871 census, perhaps the enumerator should have put Watson?   Because, Mary Ann gave the birthplace of Newcastle and William Hylton was originally from Cumberland, I am wondering if she is the daughter of an earlier marriage?   Joy ________________________________ From: Margaret Baensch <margnb@gmail.com> To: DEVON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014, 23:11 Subject: [DEV] TURNER, Henry John & Mary Ann (nee Hylton/Hilton) Hello again Listers, I have a copy of the marriage certificate for Henry John TURNER, aged 21, R.N. Seaman of H.M.S. Cambridge, son of Henry John Turner, laborer, who married Mary Ann HYLTON, aged 20, daughter of William HYLTON, hatter, in the Parish Church of St. Peter, Plymouth, Devon, on 28.11.1869. I have not been able to find any trace of this couple in the online census records. Can anyone give me a clue where to look next. Thanks, Margaret in Australia ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think Henry In 1871 is listed in the crew aboard the Royal Adelaide at Devonport:   and in 1881 listed as Boatswain's Mate Royal Navy at sea and ports abroad: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQHT-2S4 This is possibly Mary Ann on the 1871 census (based purely on the presence of the surname Hilton in the household and Elizabeth (Betsy) is her mother's name in 1861) but it says she is unmarried.  On Familysearch 1871 census Elizabeth Hilton and Mary Ann Turner appear as separate entries but on the original image there is no mark indicating a change of household:   RG10 piece 2117 folio 20 page 35 Stoke Hill, St Andrew, Plymouth Elzth Hilton Head age 54 Charwoman, born Hatherley Mary A Turner age 21, Charwoman, born Newcastle upon Tyne (I can't read the relationship to Head of household) Michael Watts age 2 Visitor born Torquay   In 1861 Mary Ann is listed at 86 King St, St Andrew, Plymouth: Wm Hylton  1819, Hatter, Cumberland Betsy Hylton 1819, Wife, Devon Mary A Hylton 1847, Cornwall Joshua J Hylton 1851, Plymouth   Mary Ann may have died because in 1891 there is a Henry J Turner, occ. sea faring, age 42 born Plymouth living with wife Susan (1864 Plymouth) and children Mary A (1885 Plymouth), Henry J (1887 Bristol), William J (1889 Bristol) at 21 Charles St, St George, Barton Regis, Glos.   Joy ________________________________ From: Margaret Baensch <margnb@gmail.com> To: DEVON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014, 23:11 Subject: [DEV] TURNER, Henry John & Mary Ann (nee Hylton/Hilton) Hello again Listers, I have a copy of the marriage certificate for Henry John TURNER, aged 21, R.N. Seaman of H.M.S. Cambridge, son of Henry John Turner, laborer, who married Mary Ann HYLTON, aged 20, daughter of William HYLTON, hatter, in the Parish Church of St. Peter, Plymouth, Devon, on 28.11.1869. I have not been able to find any trace of this couple in the online census records. Can anyone give me a clue where to look next. Thanks, Margaret in Australia ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can I please pay like last year,by bank transfer? Please advise,or do the transfer now. John Croft

Hi Edna Many Thanks for the enclosed information which is a particularly good reference source. Hope you are keeping well and not experiencing the very bad effects of the winter in Ottawa, there is speculation that we are about to now experience a front coming in from Siberia here in the U.K. Never a dull moment is there . Best Wishes and Kind Regards Keith > On 9 Jan 2014, at 00:03, "liverpud" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> wrote: > > > > A Register of Ships, Employed in the Service of the Honorable United East India Company > 1760-1810. > > on Google Books > > By the late Charles Hardy & Horatio Charles Hardy - a fascinating book on vessels, captains, payment of wages, uniforms, stocking of ships, etc. Listing also of some of the crew. > Found my 3rd Great-grandfather in there: Charles Olliver Worth 1749-1800 of Washfield and Bristol. > > Take a look. > > Edna - Ottawa > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please be aware that the long-form references for PCC wills at The National Archives has changed. For example, the will of 'Will of Thomas Rowswell of Clayhidon, Devon' previously having a Catalogue Reference: PROB11/106 and Image Reference: 633 (i.e. PROB11/106/633) is now referenced as PROB/11/106/324! So please check your reference. Advice from TNA is: "When Discovery was launched in 2012 it combined both DocumentsOnline and the Catalogue under one portal. The wills that were available from DocumentsOnline were given new reference to make them searchable under the new system and also not to conflict with any data that was available in the catalogue." Cheers Colin

Thanks to Joy and Kathryn I have found my Mary Ann JEFFERY!!! Now the last one in the family of nine to sort out is John. Born Ashprington 1833 to John JEFFERY and Agnes FOXWORTHY. The last I find him is on 1851 census as Shoemaker, as was his father, and living at home in Totnes. I have these deaths around the area.. Mar Q 1855 5b 171 Totnes (I think this is his father) Mar Q 1859 – 5b 142 Totnes Mar Q 1861 – Plymouth 5b 188 Jun Q 1862 – Plymouth 5b 167 Mar Q 1864 Plympton 5b 176 Mar Q 1864 – East Stonehouse 5b 247 I do know that some of his siblings moved (mining) to around Bootle & Millon Cumbria, but not until about 1880’s – does not appear with them as far as I can see. Neither can I find him leaving the country. Any help with possible burials, age at death etc which would narrow down purchasing a certificate would be really appreciated. Better still if you are connected!!! Regards from Australia Hazel

Hello Monica I have a Rebecca BALE born at Newton St Cyres abt 1720. She married Christopher SWALE (from Yorkshire) at Topsham in 1759, and was buried in Topsham 21 April 1810. As Newton St Cyres and Cullompton are only about 11 miles apart and their deaths only about 13 years apart, it is possible that Rebecca and Thomas are related, so yes please, I would be interested to see the extract and probate of Thomas's will. The earliest BALE baptism at St Cyres was in 1556 - a Thomasyn BALE baptised 20 March. Anyone who may be able to help find the father/parents of Rebecca BALE, I would love to hear from you. Thanks, Madalene Frost Taihape, New Zealand

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