Thank you. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 11:58 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright See http://norman.hrc.utexas.edu/Watch/uk.cfm This is part branded "University of Reading" - I assume that's our Reading, since this text is about the UK. OK - IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer...) so clearly I will deny having read the page in question but just in case we have no authoritative reply and in the interest of indicating what you might need to ask the archivists and lawyers about.... <<snipped>> 1) According to FreeBMD Miss Olive Moger died aged 80 in 1961 in Tiverton district, so if the 50 year rule is applied (is this still the law?) then copyright in her books expired 2011. <<snipped>> Sorry - it's 70 years as from 1996 - and yes, it was post-dated, so stuff went from out-of-copyright to back-in-copyright if it was in the range 50y to 70y. <<snipped>> 2) As I understand it copyright is concerned with published material and with images. If you transcribe an unpublished document then copyright is not relevant <<snipped>> Sorry - no. Copyright applies to both published and unpublished work (and work published posthumously). It's designed to protect your intellectual property of whatever form. Originally unpublished work had **perpetual** copyright. From 1989 the distinction between published and unpublished is being abolished *but* there is a 50y transition period - "So any author's manuscripts (including those of authors who died many hundreds of years ago) could in theory be copyright-protected until 31 December 2039". So any unpublished work by her could, I suppose, be in copyright until 2039. (IANAL) Note that there is a distinction in the UK between transcribing of copying for research purposes and publishing that transcript or copy. But see that URL. Adrian B Who Is Not A Lawyer ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This entry would be great to get just to get a transcription of the event and have it posted for all to see. Is anyone related to this lady? Bev [no title] QS/128/42/33 1688 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Mary Nowell, widow, mother of Michael Saunders on the Eagle on a voyage from Newfoundland with a cargo of fish - taken by pirates (full description of the action). -------------------------------------------------- From: "Teresa Goatham" <teresa@goatham.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:15 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright > They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. > This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners > captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, > others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil > war casualties unless otherwise stated)". > > Two entries of particular interest to me: > one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, > captured by pirates" (1673) > and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but > all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range > or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) > > I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and > stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for > these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree > website, but ... > > I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put > the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA > it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that > descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI > without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about > this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear > what counts as being published. > > I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be > seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other > her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made > the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant > part? > > Teresa > > PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the > Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. > > On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 >> From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs >> To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell >> <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Gion: >> >> Thanks for an interesting post. >> >> If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume >> Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these >> items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, >> I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to >> GENUKI/Devon. >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian Randell >> >> On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: >> >>> >The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in >>> >North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. >>> >I am certain there were others with no surviving records. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6496 - Release Date: 01/12/14 >

See http://norman.hrc.utexas.edu/Watch/uk.cfm This is part branded "University of Reading" - I assume that's our Reading, since this text is about the UK. OK - IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer...) so clearly I will deny having read the page in question but just in case we have no authoritative reply and in the interest of indicating what you might need to ask the archivists and lawyers about.... <<snipped>> 1) According to FreeBMD Miss Olive Moger died aged 80 in 1961 in Tiverton district, so if the 50 year rule is applied (is this still the law?) then copyright in her books expired 2011. <<snipped>> Sorry - it's 70 years as from 1996 - and yes, it was post-dated, so stuff went from out-of-copyright to back-in-copyright if it was in the range 50y to 70y. <<snipped>> 2) As I understand it copyright is concerned with published material and with images. If you transcribe an unpublished document then copyright is not relevant <<snipped>> Sorry - no. Copyright applies to both published and unpublished work (and work published posthumously). It's designed to protect your intellectual property of whatever form. Originally unpublished work had **perpetual** copyright. From 1989 the distinction between published and unpublished is being abolished *but* there is a 50y transition period - "So any author's manuscripts (including those of authors who died many hundreds of years ago) could in theory be copyright-protected until 31 December 2039". So any unpublished work by her could, I suppose, be in copyright until 2039. (IANAL) Note that there is a distinction in the UK between transcribing of copying for research purposes and publishing that transcript or copy. But see that URL. Adrian B Who Is Not A Lawyer

There is little point in worrying too much about copyright once the author has been dead for 75 years. For instance much of the Devon family history records we see in book form these days were written around the 1880 to 1885 era. That makes their copyright at the least, 130 years old. Here we are talking about copyright lasting 150 years. If the book was willed to someone else, it's hardly likely they are still living, though possible. So there isn't going to be too much pursuit of Copyright laws. However, I don't vindicate the breaking of these laws, but with regard to Books by Devonshire authors, most of the wills were destroyed during the second world war. So how would anyone know for sure that the authors will passed on copyright to someone else. No doubt there are ways to find out. It would be ideal if someone with such knowledge clued us in. A matter that has often been raised on the DEVON-L site with regard that on a person to person basis the passing of small amounts of information from these sources isn't going to breach copyright laws. -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 8:30 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright This entry would be great to get just to get a transcription of the event and have it posted for all to see. Is anyone related to this lady? Bev [no title] QS/128/42/33 1688 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Mary Nowell, widow, mother of Michael Saunders on the Eagle on a voyage from Newfoundland with a cargo of fish - taken by pirates (full description of the action). -------------------------------------------------- From: "Teresa Goatham" <teresa@goatham.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:15 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright > They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. > This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners > captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, > others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil > war casualties unless otherwise stated)". > > Two entries of particular interest to me: > one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, > captured by pirates" (1673) > and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but > all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range > or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) > > I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and > stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for > these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree > website, but ... > > I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put > the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA > it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that > descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI > without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about > this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear > what counts as being published. > > I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be > seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other > her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made > the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant > part? > > Teresa > > PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the > Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. > > On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 >> From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs >> To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell >> <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Gion: >> >> Thanks for an interesting post. >> >> If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume >> Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these >> items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, >> I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to >> GENUKI/Devon. >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian Randell >> >> On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: >> >>> >The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in >>> >North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. >>> >I am certain there were others with no surviving records. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6496 - Release Date: 01/12/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You will possibly find that the same names turn up in several Parishes at about the same time. I really does make for hard work trying to sort out which is which. In my own family my 6th great grand Uncle Francis Blackmore married Sarah Acland, his son also Francis also married a Sarah Acland. This doesn't help a lot as there were also other Sarah Aclands in the area. It's enough to drive you crazy trying to sort out which is which. Plus the church Registers were also written by the younger of the two above Francis Blackmores, who was Parish Clerk for 40 years. Terry Blackmore O.P.C. Sheldon, Devon. -----Original Message----- From: Diana Stevens Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 8:07 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell Hi Terry and Paul Thanks for the helpful information. I am aware that Ag Labs had to move around for work, but Thomas was 99 when he died, I doubt he was still working. For two generations between 1736 and 1827 there are PR entries for Thomas, and his father Thomas, saying 'of Hemyock' which is why I thought the family might have a base in the area where the four parishes meet. I have no idea about the occupations of Thomas (1705) or Thomas (1728). The next Thomas (1759) died in 1837, no occupation for him either but his wife Betty left a will when she died in 1854, the probate says under £100, apart from personal stuff she had three tenements in Eastbrook (Pitminster SOM). So it is possible that the two earlier Thomas Acklands were not Ag Labs. I was trying to get a feel for the geography of the countryside, whether it was steeply up-hill towards Hemyock but easier to get to the other churches. When I visited the area I went to Dunkeswell, Kentisbeare, Sheldon & Uffculme. I missed Hemyock as I had not traced the family back that far. Driving around the narrow lanes you don't get many views of the countryside, we kept meeting tractors towing enormous trailers (of mangel wurzels?) and having to back up to a lay-by. On the map there seems to be a stream rising between Sheldon & Dunkeswell and flowing past Ashill & Uffculme to the Culm. Another stream rises on the other side of Dunkeswell and flows past Hemyock to the Culm. I have just been looking at the relief map on http://www.maps-for-free.com. It shows it is a relatively flat area despite being 'The Blackdown Hills'! The satellite view on Google looks so cool and green, a bit different to Perth, 43.3°C yesterday, down to 29.7°C overnight, only 41°C today and cooling down now. Best wishes from Diana On 12/01/2014, at 3:38 AM, paul.hockie@talk21.com wrote: > The large scale closure and consolidation of parishes, especially in the > countryside is a mainly late 20th century phenomenum as the cost of clergy > and maintenance has had to be met by dwindling congregations. What did > happen in earlier times is that agricultural workers, in particular, moved > between villages following the work, often marrying a girl from a > neighbouring village on the way. This had the effect of balancing the > working population with jobs to avoid a shortage of workers in an aging > population. It also kept the gene pool stirred. > My own ancestors formed a "circuit" in the Culm Valley. These goups of > villages seemed to have formed around the local market town. This is where > the annual hiring fares would take place. > > Paul > > From: "Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk" <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2014, 3:22 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell > > > It would be possible as all the places you mention are in the same area. > If > I remember it correctly the Vicar (currently Rev. Rik Peckham. The > previous > Vicar Rev Nicholas Wall having retire recently) covers the following > places > Dunkeswell, Dunkeswell Abbey, Sheldon, Luppit, and Upottery. So back a > while > they may have been using what ever church was nearest to where they > currently resided. Though I don't know exactly, but other places in the > area > may well have a similar situation with which Parishes the Vicar oversees. > I didn't supply the records for Sheldon, but have the Micrrofiche of the > Sheldon Parish Registers. Which are pretty nigh on impossible to read in > some places. Local knowledge of local names is certainly and advantage > when > reading these Registers. It is often possible for me to make out names > that > other people can't read. Currently when I get the chance I add to the list > I'm doing for Sheldon BMDs, but it is slow work as looking at a Microfiche > at my age isn't good for the eyes. Has to be done in short stints. > > Terry Blackmore > O.P.C. Sheldon Devon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Stevens > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 5:16 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell > > Thanks Terry > > Thanks for the offer but I found the 1784/1785 burial records on the fiche > in the DRO, and have a bad photocopy, there is no more information. > > My Acklands appear to have wandered around the countryside. There are > baptisms for Thomas & Elizabeth at Dunkeswell, Uffculme and Sheldon. I > have > always thought there could be two couples with the same names but at least > one bap at Uffculme seems to belong with the Dunkeswell ones which include > my line. > > I have visited all the places but I do not have the geography fixed in my > head. I wonder if this Thomas lived in the point at the bottom of Hemyock > parish where the boundary meets Uffculme, Sheldon and Dunkeswell. From > there > it might be closer to go to one of the other churches rather than Hemyock. > What do you think? > > I found this record through a search of the DFHS burial index, it contains > burials for Sheldon long before 1813, the earliest Ackland is 1773. So > that > is the source you mention, but where did the records come from? I had > assumed you had provided them. > > Another question is have you read the Sheldon BTs and if so are they as > illegible as the early PR? > > Best wishes from Diana > > On 05/01/2014, at 12:19 PM, <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> There was a Thomas Acland buried at Sheldon on 12-12-1874. Elizabeth >> Acland was buried there also, on the 11-4-1875, source is listed as DFHS. >> I >> can if you wish me to check this out further on the Microfiche, I can do, >> as >> I have it available. I have not got this far into transcribing the >> microfiche, as of yet have made no notes against these burials. There are >> a >> number of other Aclands buried at Sheldon. >> >> Regards Terry Blackmore >> O.P.C. Sheldon, Devon. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Diana Stevens >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:07 AM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell >> >> There is a Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock, age 99, buried 17 May 1827 at >> Dunkeswell. >> >> He is the right age to be my GGGG-Grandfather who was probably born at >> Hemyock ca 1728. >> >> Most researchers assume that Thomas was buried at Sheldon in 1784, with >> his >> wife Elizabeth buried there the next year. But there are no ages against >> the >> entries so it has always been a guess. >> >> Now I think Elizabeth might have been buried at Dunkeswell in 1791 and >> then >> Thomas married Mary SMYTH in 1793. She was buried there in 1823 age 93. I >> checked for baptisms after the marriage and found none. >> >> Does anyone know about this Thomas? >> >> Best wishes from Diana ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: PKEASE, let's not have a general debate on copyright here on Devon-L. Here is the statement on copyright from the GENUKI/Devon FAQ - http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonFAQ.html#COPYRIGHT > 20. What rules regarding copyright, etc., apply to DEVON mailing list postings? > > The rules are essentially the same for posting to a mailing list, or providing information on the web. Indeed, substantial transcriptions should be made available for inclusion in GENUKI/Devon, as well as - or indeed instead of - being posted, so as to ensure their continued easy accessibility. (Recall that GENUKI is an archived and searchable virtual library, the continued availability and existence of which does not depend on any single individual.) > > Please do not post extensive transcriptions from documents or publications unless you can demonstrate that you have good reason to believe that you are not offending against either the wishes or the legal rights of the owner, or against copyright. > > Note that if an individual, or an archive, owns a document, then they have every right to constrain someone who they allow to look at or borrow that document, e.g. not to copy this document. (It is on this basis that some Devon parishes are refusing to allow their parish registers to be published online.) The owners may well have buttressed their rights by requiring you to sign a form acknowledging the constraint beforehand - but merely telling you is sufficient, since the notion of a contract does not depend on any actual paperwork or signatures. But if you are the legal owner of a document, or you have not entered into any contract that binds you in some way, and the content of the document is not copyright, then there is no legal impediment to your providing transcriptions - but see below. > > Copyright typically exists in any published document until 70 years after the death of the author, whereas Crown Copyright typically exists for 50 years after publication or, in the case unpublished documents, for 125 years after the date of creation. To copy or publish substantial parts of a work in copyright you have in general to obtain permission. > > For up-to-date, detailed advice about copyright and crown copyright matters see the discussion, and the various documents listed, in the GENUKI Maintainers' page on Copright: > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/org/maintenance/Copyright.html > Luckily, since 1999, Crown Copyright has been waived in the contents of most unpublished public records held in The National Archives and other official archives, such as county record offices, so such documents (which include census records) can be transcribed and the transcriptions made available electronically, e.g. via the DEVON mailing list or in GENUKI/Devon, without any need to seek prior permission. However, the archive holding the original document should be identified, and its catalogue number included. (Note that this waiver applies only to transcriptions, not to actual photographic or scanned digital images of documents, such as images obtained via TNA's Discovery facility.) > > In those cases where there is a requirement that explicit permission be obtained, the transcription should be accompanied by evidence that such permission has been sought and received. (This is typically the case with church documents, when a statement naming the authority, e.g. the relevant vicar, who has given permission will suffice.) > > Note that some societies, as a contractual restriction on the purchaser of their publications, disallow the public offering of free (or paid-for) lookups from these publications. The reason for such a restriction is obvious - if lots of people provided such a service, relatively few copies would be sold, probably not enough to cover the cost of publication. (A particular case in point is the FFHS's National Burial Index.) It is therefore important that the DEVON mailing list not be used to "advertise" a willingness to do lookups of material contrary to the original supplier's wishes. However, there is no impediment to providing look-ups of, for example, parish register microfiches or census records. > > The bottom line is that we must do everything we can to build a climate of trust and cooperation with the relevant archive and church authorities, as well as cement our existing cooperation with organisations such as the Devon Record Office and the Devon Family History Society. Thus the letter of the law is less important than the spirit of the law - only by being careful not to offend the people who possess information, in the various libraries, archives, churches, societies, etc., can we retain their continued cooperation. So when there is any doubt you should request permission beforehand, rather than rely on a narrow and perhaps arguable interpretation of the letter of the law to justify your posting. (This applies particularly to Devon parish register transcriptions, given the sensitivities involved.) > > In summary, all of this is easily understandable by putting oneself in the position of the person or organisation that owns the original information, or that has laboured hard to produce some publication, and considering how some activity would look from this point of view. Please note especially the penultimate paragraph above! As regards the Moger Abstracts, Richard Grylls <richard.grylls@btinternet.com> obtained copyright clearance on behalf of the Devon Wills Project - his advice, as to how to contact the Moger family representatives, should be sought by anyone wishing to publish information from the various sets of Moger documents. Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hi The only thing I would add is that if the vicar had left the parish for any reason (he needed permission from the bishop-unless he had died!) his vacancy would be covered by a vicar/rector from another parish. Common practice seems then to have been (and probably still is) to note down an event on a scrap of paper and make up the register later. It can be seen when events get out of synch in the registers and items get added between lines later (unless this is a fraud . . .). I have also come across items being then entered into the wrong register as the vicar struggles to keep up to date with another parish who (understandably)won't let him take their register away with him. So he enters them into the register of his home parish in order that at least the event is recorded somewhere. I have come across this several times and I wonder when there are gaps in registers if this may not be the reason and if it is possible to trace who the interim vicar is to trace missing records in their 'home' registers? BTW Ag labs also moved about as they would be laid off before they had worked in a parish for more than 12 months so as they could not claim settlement. The Lady Day Fairs were the hiring fairs for the year and there is a vivid description of one in the opening chapter of the Mayor of Casterbridge (after the section where he sells his wife). Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of paul.hockie@talk21.com Sent: 11 January 2014 19:39 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell The large scale closure and consolidation of parishes, especially in the countryside is a mainly late 20th century phenomenum as the cost of clergy and maintenance has had to be met by dwindling congregations. What did happen in earlier times is that agricultural workers, in particular, moved between villages following the work, often marrying a girl from a neighbouring village on the way. This had the effect of balancing the working population with jobs to avoid a shortage of workers in an aging population. It also kept the gene pool stirred. My own ancestors formed a "circuit" in the Culm Valley. These goups of villages seemed to have formed around the local market town. This is where the annual hiring fares would take place. Paul ________________________________ From: "Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk" <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2014, 3:22 Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell It  would be possible as all the places you mention are in the same area. If I remember it correctly the Vicar (currently Rev. Rik Peckham. The previous Vicar Rev Nicholas Wall having retire recently) covers the following places Dunkeswell, Dunkeswell Abbey, Sheldon, Luppit, and Upottery. So back a while they may have been using what ever church was nearest to where they currently resided. Though I don't know exactly, but other places in the area may well have a similar situation with which Parishes the Vicar oversees. I didn't supply the records for Sheldon, but have the Micrrofiche of the Sheldon Parish Registers. Which are pretty nigh on impossible to read in some places. Local knowledge of local names is certainly and advantage when reading these Registers. It is often possible for me to make out names that other people can't read. Currently when I get the chance I add to the list I'm doing for Sheldon BMDs, but it is slow work as looking at a Microfiche at my age isn't good for the eyes. Has to be done in short stints. Terry Blackmore O.P.C. Sheldon Devon -----Original Message----- From: Diana Stevens Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 5:16 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell Thanks Terry Thanks for the offer but I found the 1784/1785 burial records on the fiche in the DRO, and have a bad photocopy, there is no more information. My Acklands appear to have wandered around the countryside. There are baptisms for Thomas & Elizabeth at Dunkeswell, Uffculme and Sheldon. I have always thought there could be two couples with the same names but at least one bap at Uffculme seems to belong with the Dunkeswell ones which include my line. I have visited all the places but I do not have the geography fixed in my head. I wonder if this Thomas lived in the point at the bottom of Hemyock parish where the boundary meets Uffculme, Sheldon and Dunkeswell. From there it might be closer to go to one of the other churches rather than Hemyock. What do you think? I found this record through a search of the DFHS burial index, it contains burials for Sheldon long before 1813, the earliest Ackland is 1773. So that is the source you mention, but where did the records come from? I had assumed you had provided them. Another question is have you read the Sheldon BTs and if so are they as illegible as the early PR? Best wishes from Diana On 05/01/2014, at 12:19 PM, <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >    There was a Thomas Acland buried at Sheldon on 12-12-1874. Elizabeth > Acland was buried there also, on the 11-4-1875, source is listed as DFHS. > I > can if you wish me to check this out further on the Microfiche, I can do, > as > I have it available. I have not got this far into transcribing the > microfiche, as of yet have made no notes against these burials. There are > a > number of other Aclands buried at Sheldon. > > Regards Terry Blackmore > O.P.C. Sheldon, Devon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Stevens > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:07 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell > > There is a Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock, age 99, buried 17 May 1827 at > Dunkeswell. > > He is the right age to be my GGGG-Grandfather who was probably born at > Hemyock ca 1728. > > Most researchers assume that Thomas was buried at Sheldon in 1784, with > his > wife Elizabeth buried there the next year. But there are no ages against > the > entries so it has always been a guess. > > Now I think Elizabeth might have been buried at Dunkeswell in 1791 and > then > Thomas married Mary SMYTH in 1793. She was buried there in 1823 age 93. I > checked for baptisms after the marriage and found none. > > Does anyone know about this Thomas? > > Best wishes from Diana ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some copyright is 25 years, most is 70 years after the death of the Author. Will depend on what is reproduced (i.e. Text of publication or full copy of the work), as the actual work may not be copyright, but how it is written is. As 'Copyright arises automatically when a work that qualifies for protection is created. The work must be original in that it needs to originate with the author who will have used some judgment or skill to create the work - simply copying a work does not make it original.' See http://www.cla.co.uk/copyright_information/copyright_information/ or http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy.htm For Information relating to UK Copyright, Will probably apply to most other countries as well as Copyright seems to be standard across most countries but there may be some differences in different countries. From reading this I would suspect that a copy of a will is not Copyright, but could be wrong. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 12/01/2014 17:13, Terry Leaman wrote: > The law in the UK is copyright expires 75 years after the death of the > author. Of course, it could be willed to someone else on the authors > death in which case the 75 years would apply again. > > Terry > On 12/01/2014 17:01, Chris Whitehead wrote: >> 1) According to FreeBMD Miss Olive Moger died aged 80 in 1961 in Tiverton >> district, so if the 50 year rule is applied (is this still the law?) then >> copyright in her books expired 2011. >> >> 2) As I understand it copyright is concerned with published material and >> with images. >> If you transcribe an unpublished document then copyright is not relevant >> except that your transcription would be your copyright if it were published. >> If you were to publish images of the original document, then there would >> be issues with the owner of the material. >> Additionally when you take a copy of a document at a record office you >> have to sign a declaration, which in many cases restricts the use of the >> image to private study. >> >> I would be glad, however, if someone could give an authoritative opinion >> on this. >> >> Chris. >> >>

The law in the UK is copyright expires 75 years after the death of the author. Of course, it could be willed to someone else on the authors death in which case the 75 years would apply again. Terry On 12/01/2014 17:01, Chris Whitehead wrote: > 1) According to FreeBMD Miss Olive Moger died aged 80 in 1961 in Tiverton > district, so if the 50 year rule is applied (is this still the law?) then > copyright in her books expired 2011. > > 2) As I understand it copyright is concerned with published material and > with images. > If you transcribe an unpublished document then copyright is not relevant > except that your transcription would be your copyright if it were published. > If you were to publish images of the original document, then there would > be issues with the owner of the material. > Additionally when you take a copy of a document at a record office you > have to sign a declaration, which in many cases restricts the use of the > image to private study. > > I would be glad, however, if someone could give an authoritative opinion > on this. > > Chris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Teresa Goatham > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:15 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com ; brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright > > They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. > This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners > captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, > others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil > war casualties unless otherwise stated)". > > Two entries of particular interest to me: > one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, > captured by pirates" (1673) > and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but > all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range > or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) > > I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and > stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for > these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree > website, but ... > > I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put > the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA > it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that > descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI > without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about > this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear > what counts as being published. > > I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be > seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other > her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made > the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant > part? > > Teresa > > PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the > Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. > > On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 >> From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs >> To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell >> <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Gion: >> >> Thanks for an interesting post. >> >> If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume >> Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these >> items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, >> I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to >> GENUKI/Devon. >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian Randell >> >> On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: >> >>>> The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in >>>> North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. >>>> I am certain there were others with no surviving records. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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1) According to FreeBMD Miss Olive Moger died aged 80 in 1961 in Tiverton district, so if the 50 year rule is applied (is this still the law?) then copyright in her books expired 2011. 2) As I understand it copyright is concerned with published material and with images. If you transcribe an unpublished document then copyright is not relevant except that your transcription would be your copyright if it were published. If you were to publish images of the original document, then there would be issues with the owner of the material. Additionally when you take a copy of a document at a record office you have to sign a declaration, which in many cases restricts the use of the image to private study. I would be glad, however, if someone could give an authoritative opinion on this. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Goatham Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:15 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com ; brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil war casualties unless otherwise stated)". Two entries of particular interest to me: one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, captured by pirates" (1673) and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree website, but ... I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear what counts as being published. I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant part? Teresa PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 > From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs > To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell > <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Gion: > > Thanks for an interesting post. > > If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume > Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these > items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, > I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to > GENUKI/Devon. > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: > >> >The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in >> >North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. >> >I am certain there were others with no surviving records. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am also interested in the Doble family. I can go back to Wilmont Doble (F), born in 1604 (don't know where) and died 7/22/1671 at Holsworthy. She married Tristram Fayce 5/5/1629 in Holsworthy. Children were Leonard, Tristan, Wm, Elizabeth, John, and Wilmont. Does any of this match your pedigree? -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Young Sent: Friday, January 3, 2014 8:59 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Elizabeth DOBLE c 1783 Hi Bev, What parish? I have DOBLE stemming from Tristram DOBLE in Ashwater/Beaworthy area. Sincerely, Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 7:43 PM Subject: [DEV] Elizabeth DOBLE c 1783 > Morning, > > Elizabeth DOBLE according to Famsearch is bapt/born 1783. I cannot access > this entry. Can anyone out there see who her parents are please with > dates. > > Thanks heaps. > > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have not come across this name before. Not my bloke but found in Ashprington John MISHEL of Limmington buried 23 August 1728. The name does not appear to be in Ashprington unless it is the name of a farm. I thought someone might like to lay a claim on him. Bev

Hi Terry and Paul Thanks for the helpful information. I am aware that Ag Labs had to move around for work, but Thomas was 99 when he died, I doubt he was still working. For two generations between 1736 and 1827 there are PR entries for Thomas, and his father Thomas, saying 'of Hemyock' which is why I thought the family might have a base in the area where the four parishes meet. I have no idea about the occupations of Thomas (1705) or Thomas (1728). The next Thomas (1759) died in 1837, no occupation for him either but his wife Betty left a will when she died in 1854, the probate says under £100, apart from personal stuff she had three tenements in Eastbrook (Pitminster SOM). So it is possible that the two earlier Thomas Acklands were not Ag Labs. I was trying to get a feel for the geography of the countryside, whether it was steeply up-hill towards Hemyock but easier to get to the other churches. When I visited the area I went to Dunkeswell, Kentisbeare, Sheldon & Uffculme. I missed Hemyock as I had not traced the family back that far. Driving around the narrow lanes you don't get many views of the countryside, we kept meeting tractors towing enormous trailers (of mangel wurzels?) and having to back up to a lay-by. On the map there seems to be a stream rising between Sheldon & Dunkeswell and flowing past Ashill & Uffculme to the Culm. Another stream rises on the other side of Dunkeswell and flows past Hemyock to the Culm. I have just been looking at the relief map on http://www.maps-for-free.com. It shows it is a relatively flat area despite being 'The Blackdown Hills'! The satellite view on Google looks so cool and green, a bit different to Perth, 43.3°C yesterday, down to 29.7°C overnight, only 41°C today and cooling down now. Best wishes from Diana On 12/01/2014, at 3:38 AM, paul.hockie@talk21.com wrote: > The large scale closure and consolidation of parishes, especially in the countryside is a mainly late 20th century phenomenum as the cost of clergy and maintenance has had to be met by dwindling congregations. What did happen in earlier times is that agricultural workers, in particular, moved between villages following the work, often marrying a girl from a neighbouring village on the way. This had the effect of balancing the working population with jobs to avoid a shortage of workers in an aging population. It also kept the gene pool stirred. > My own ancestors formed a "circuit" in the Culm Valley. These goups of villages seemed to have formed around the local market town. This is where the annual hiring fares would take place. > > Paul > > From: "Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk" <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2014, 3:22 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell > > > It would be possible as all the places you mention are in the same area. If > I remember it correctly the Vicar (currently Rev. Rik Peckham. The previous > Vicar Rev Nicholas Wall having retire recently) covers the following places > Dunkeswell, Dunkeswell Abbey, Sheldon, Luppit, and Upottery. So back a while > they may have been using what ever church was nearest to where they > currently resided. Though I don't know exactly, but other places in the area > may well have a similar situation with which Parishes the Vicar oversees. > I didn't supply the records for Sheldon, but have the Micrrofiche of the > Sheldon Parish Registers. Which are pretty nigh on impossible to read in > some places. Local knowledge of local names is certainly and advantage when > reading these Registers. It is often possible for me to make out names that > other people can't read. Currently when I get the chance I add to the list > I'm doing for Sheldon BMDs, but it is slow work as looking at a Microfiche > at my age isn't good for the eyes. Has to be done in short stints. > > Terry Blackmore > O.P.C. Sheldon Devon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Stevens > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 5:16 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell > > Thanks Terry > > Thanks for the offer but I found the 1784/1785 burial records on the fiche > in the DRO, and have a bad photocopy, there is no more information. > > My Acklands appear to have wandered around the countryside. There are > baptisms for Thomas & Elizabeth at Dunkeswell, Uffculme and Sheldon. I have > always thought there could be two couples with the same names but at least > one bap at Uffculme seems to belong with the Dunkeswell ones which include > my line. > > I have visited all the places but I do not have the geography fixed in my > head. I wonder if this Thomas lived in the point at the bottom of Hemyock > parish where the boundary meets Uffculme, Sheldon and Dunkeswell. From there > it might be closer to go to one of the other churches rather than Hemyock. > What do you think? > > I found this record through a search of the DFHS burial index, it contains > burials for Sheldon long before 1813, the earliest Ackland is 1773. So that > is the source you mention, but where did the records come from? I had > assumed you had provided them. > > Another question is have you read the Sheldon BTs and if so are they as > illegible as the early PR? > > Best wishes from Diana > > On 05/01/2014, at 12:19 PM, <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> There was a Thomas Acland buried at Sheldon on 12-12-1874. Elizabeth >> Acland was buried there also, on the 11-4-1875, source is listed as DFHS. >> I >> can if you wish me to check this out further on the Microfiche, I can do, >> as >> I have it available. I have not got this far into transcribing the >> microfiche, as of yet have made no notes against these burials. There are >> a >> number of other Aclands buried at Sheldon. >> >> Regards Terry Blackmore >> O.P.C. Sheldon, Devon. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Diana Stevens >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:07 AM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell >> >> There is a Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock, age 99, buried 17 May 1827 at >> Dunkeswell. >> >> He is the right age to be my GGGG-Grandfather who was probably born at >> Hemyock ca 1728. >> >> Most researchers assume that Thomas was buried at Sheldon in 1784, with >> his >> wife Elizabeth buried there the next year. But there are no ages against >> the >> entries so it has always been a guess. >> >> Now I think Elizabeth might have been buried at Dunkeswell in 1791 and >> then >> Thomas married Mary SMYTH in 1793. She was buried there in 1823 age 93. I >> checked for baptisms after the marriage and found none. >> >> Does anyone know about this Thomas? >> >> Best wishes from Diana

No wonder we cannot find some of our ancestors. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Gion Tobac Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:35 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. I am certain there were others with no surviving records. Kenton, Devon, about 1673, Jane, wife of Samuel Clarke, who was a mate of the Societie of Topsham on a voyage from Newfoundland, taken by pirates, ransom £125. Topsham, Devon, 1673, Sarah Farrant, wife of William Farrant, sailor on the Good Success of Topsham belonging to Nicholas Broking of Exeter, merchant, taken by pirates, ransom £70. Topsham, Devon, 1673, Ursula, wife of William Phippard, mariner master & part owner of the Good Defence of Topsham on a voyage to Malaga and other places, taken by pirates with two of his sons and the rest of the ship's company. Topsham, Devon, 1673, Charity Tomline, widow, mother of a son of 22, sailor on a ship from the port of Exon, taken by pirates, ransom £75. Topsham, Devon, 1673, Mary wife of Andrew Hodder, master and part owner of the Mavy of Topsham returning from Portugal, taken by pirates, ransom £180. Dawlish, Devon, 1679, Nicholas Fox on The Mary of Topsham, on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates. Dawlish, Devon, 1679, Mary, wife of George Voysie, sailor on the Hannah, from Portugal to Topsham, taken by pirates. Dawlish, Devon, about 1679, Jane Crute, sister of John Crute the younger, sailor on the Hannah of Topsham, taken by pirates. Dawlish, Devon, about 1680, ----- Pedericke, sailor on the Mary of Topsham, on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates. Topsham, Devon, 1680s, William Tapley, sailor on the Morleaux of Topsham on a voyage from Lisbon to Newfoundland, taken by pirates ransom £60 11s. 3d. Exeter, St. Thomas, 1681, Thomas Luckas, husbandman, father of ----, sailor on the Desire of Topsham, taken by pirates. Kenton, Devon, 1682, John Moale, sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham taken by pirates (certificate). Topsham, Devon, 1682, Hannah Shower, wife of Samuel Shower, sailor in the John Pincke of Topsham on a voyage to Barbados taken by pirates, ransom 12 pieces of eight. Topsham, Devon, about 1682, Elizabeth Mountstephen, wife of Isaac Mountstephen, sailor on a voyage to Barbados on the Royal Prince of Topsham, taken by pirates. Topsham, Devon, 1682, Mary Caldome, wife of Samuel Caldome, mate on The John Pinke of Topsham on a voyage to Barbados taken by pirates, ransom £180. Topsham, Devon, 1682, William Off, father of Elias Off, sailor, taken by pirates. Topsham, Devon, 1682, Sarah Greene, widow, mother of Thomas Green, sailor in the John of Topsham, taken by pirates, ransom £80. Lympstone, Devon, 1683, (another charity brief for George Taylor) Mary Taylor, wife of George Taylor, master of the Speedwell of Topsham, taken by Pirates, ransom £120. Kenton, Devon, 1683, John Whiterow, soldier on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates.Kenton, Devon, 1683, Mary Oliver of Powderham on behalf of Nicholas Wotten, sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates.Kenton, Devon, 1683, Catherine, wife of John Molle (sic) sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates, ransom £40. Woodbury, Devon, 1683, Joan Pyne, wife of William Pyne, sailor on the Diamond of Topsham, on a voyage from Lisbon, taken by pirates, ransom £120. Topsham, Devon, 1683, Hannah Worth, wife of John Worth, sailor on the John Pinke on a voyage to Barbados, taken by pirates, ransom 400 dollars. Ottery St Mary, 1683, Christopher Mathew, fuller, father of Christopher Mathew, sailor in the Mary Pinke of Topsham on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates, ransom £80. Topsham, Devon, 1684, Thomas Clement, a poor orphan, sailor on the Elizabeth of London on a voyage from London to Amsterdam to Ireland, then to Barbados and to Serenham, taken by pirates about 50 leagues west of Scilly, ransom £80.------ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil war casualties unless otherwise stated)". Two entries of particular interest to me: one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, captured by pirates" (1673) and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree website, but ... I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear what counts as being published. I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant part? Teresa PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 > From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs > To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell > <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Gion: > > Thanks for an interesting post. > > If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to GENUKI/Devon. > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: > >> >The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. I am certain there were others with no surviving records.

Hi, the only William son of James ( and Mary) in Familysearch is chr in 1817 in Crediton. The William bapt in Sandford is I think in the 1841 married to Joanna and seems to be still going strong in 1851 . There is a John Ward , 2, living with the Burridges , who may be the 11yr old John of the 1851 census son of Thomas and Emma Ward, both b Exeter , and brother to Emily . Emily is I think living in St Thomas Exeter in the 1841 with a family of John Borrow, 35, tanner. and his 6 sons and 1 dau. I don`t know how this helps or if it helps !!! The main cluster of Burridges seems to be around Crediton and William and Joanna get a removal order from Sandford to Upton Helions ........but of James nothing further . Have you got the marriages DFHS from 1754 - 1837 ? that might give you a clue too . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy & John Smith" <jsmi7918@bigpond.net.au> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 2:54 AM Subject: [DEV] Where was William BURRIDGE born > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > Time to try breaking down the old brick walls. > > > > Can anyone please help with locating the baptism record/birthplace of > William BURRIDGE? > > > > Nov 5 1837, William BURRIDGE married Mary COWELL, by Banns (15th, 22nd, > 29th > October) at Exeter Holy Trinity. > > Both were of "Full age" & "of this Parish" living at Trinity Street > Exeter. > He was a labourer. > > > > His father was James BURRIDGE, also a labourer. Witnesses were Mary Ann > Tremlett & John Cockrell, no addresses given. > > > > 1841: William & Mary were at Red Cow Village, Exeter St David's; William > was; 25yrs, Labourer, born in Devon. > > He died at Exeter St David on April 11 1847, aged 33 yrs (death cert) & > was > buried at Exeter St David, (Church record) April 18 1847, William > Burridge, > 33 yrs, labourer of Red Cow Village. > > > > The 1851 Census showed Mary to have been born in Kenton & her father John > Cowell was still the blacksmith there. > > > > So the only information I have to go on trying to find William Burridge's > birth record is that he was born c 1813, in Devon, the son of James > Burridge. > > > > I have purchased the DFHS print out for Burridges and there is one in > Sandford who fits, but I am trying to find any others who may not have > been > transcribed by them. > > I don't want to trace the wrong family! > > If anyone has access to baptisms from around that time I would appreciate > a > look up please. > > > > I think I have exhausted all possibilities from here? > > > > Thank you > > Judy > > South Australia > > > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

There is also the fairly well reported adventures of Joseph Pitts of Exeter http://www.tellingourstoriesexeter.org.uk/index.php?page=joseph-pitts-of-exo n http://www.tellingourstoriesexeter.org.uk/uploads/Documents/Stories%20to%20P ublish/Joseph%20Pitts%20of%20Exon.pdf I tried fitting him into my Devon Pitts ONS but did not get very far. Regards John Pitts Pitts ONS GOONS 1743 There is also [no title] QS/128/20/1 1683 William Bricknell, father of Michael Bricknell, a captive of the Turks in Tituan, voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, ransom £30 Not sure if this is an actual ancestor, although I have Bricknells of Exmouth among my ancestors. Angela in Dawlish > From: giontobac@outlook.com > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 00:35:13 -0300 > Subject: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs > > The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. I am certain there were others with no surviving records. > Kenton, Devon, about 1673, Jane, wife of Samuel Clarke, who was a mate of the Societie of Topsham on a voyage from Newfoundland, taken by pirates, ransom £125. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Sarah Farrant, wife of William Farrant, sailor on the Good Success of Topsham belonging to Nicholas Broking of Exeter, merchant, taken by pirates, ransom £70. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Ursula, wife of William Phippard, mariner master & part owner of the Good Defence of Topsham on a voyage to Malaga and other places, taken by pirates with two of his sons and the rest of the ship's company. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Charity Tomline, widow, mother of a son of 22, sailor on a ship from the port of Exon, taken by pirates, ransom £75. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Mary wife of Andrew Hodder, master and part owner of the Mavy of Topsham returning from Portugal, taken by pirates, ransom £180. > Dawlish, Devon, 1679, Nicholas Fox on The Mary of Topsham, on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, 1679, Mary, wife of George Voysie, sailor on the Hannah, from Portugal to Topsham, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, about 1679, Jane Crute, sister of John Crute the younger, sailor on the Hannah of Topsham, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, about 1680, ----- Pedericke, sailor on the Mary of Topsham, on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1680s, William Tapley, sailor on the Morleaux of Topsham on a voyage from Lisbon to Newfoundland, taken by pirates ransom £60 11s. 3d. > Exeter, St. Thomas, 1681, Thomas Luckas, husbandman, father of ----, sailor on the Desire of Topsham, taken by pirates. > Kenton, Devon, 1682, John Moale, sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham taken by pirates (certificate). > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Hannah Shower, wife of Samuel Shower, sailor in the John Pincke of Topsham on a voyage to Barbados taken by pirates, ransom 12 pieces of eight. > Topsham, Devon, about 1682, Elizabeth Mountstephen, wife of Isaac Mountstephen, sailor on a voyage to Barbados on the Royal Prince of Topsham, taken by pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Mary Caldome, wife of Samuel Caldome, mate on The John Pinke of Topsham on a voyage to Barbados taken by pirates, ransom £180. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, William Off, father of Elias Off, sailor, taken by pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Sarah Greene, widow, mother of Thomas Green, sailor in the John of Topsham, taken by pirates, ransom £80. > Lympstone, Devon, 1683, (another charity brief for George Taylor) Mary Taylor, wife of George Taylor, master of the Speedwell of Topsham, taken by Pirates, ransom £120. > Kenton, Devon, 1683, John Whiterow, soldier on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates.Kenton, Devon, 1683, Mary Oliver of Powderham on behalf of Nicholas Wotten, sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates.Kenton, Devon, 1683, Catherine, wife of John Molle (sic) sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates, ransom £40. > Woodbury, Devon, 1683, Joan Pyne, wife of William Pyne, sailor on the Diamond of Topsham, on a voyage from Lisbon, taken by pirates, ransom £120. > Topsham, Devon, 1683, Hannah Worth, wife of John Worth, sailor on the John Pinke on a voyage to Barbados, taken by pirates, ransom 400 dollars. > Ottery St Mary, 1683, Christopher Mathew, fuller, father of Christopher Mathew, sailor in the Mary Pinke of Topsham on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates, ransom £80. > Topsham, Devon, 1684, Thomas Clement, a poor orphan, sailor on the Elizabeth of London on a voyage from London to Amsterdam to Ireland, then to Barbados and to Serenham, taken by pirates about 50 leagues west of Scilly, ransom £80.------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( <http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS ( <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( <http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS ( <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/

Hi Gion, Would be great if more of this sort of thing became available. Good find. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gion Tobac" <giontobac@outlook.com> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:35 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs > The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in North > Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. I am > certain there were others with no surviving records. > Kenton, Devon, about 1673, Jane, wife of Samuel Clarke, who was a mate of > the Societie of Topsham on a voyage from Newfoundland, taken by pirates, > ransom £125. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Sarah Farrant, wife of William Farrant, sailor on > the Good Success of Topsham belonging to Nicholas Broking of Exeter, > merchant, taken by pirates, ransom £70. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Ursula, wife of William Phippard, mariner master & > part owner of the Good Defence of Topsham on a voyage to Malaga and other > places, taken by pirates with two of his sons and the rest of the ship's > company. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Charity Tomline, widow, mother of a son of 22, > sailor on a ship from the port of Exon, taken by pirates, ransom £75. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Mary wife of Andrew Hodder, master and part owner of > the Mavy of Topsham returning from Portugal, taken by pirates, ransom > £180. > Dawlish, Devon, 1679, Nicholas Fox on The Mary of Topsham, on a voyage > from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, 1679, Mary, wife of George Voysie, sailor on the Hannah, > from Portugal to Topsham, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, about 1679, Jane Crute, sister of John Crute the younger, > sailor on the Hannah of Topsham, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, about 1680, ----- Pedericke, sailor on the Mary of > Topsham, on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1680s, William Tapley, sailor on the Morleaux of Topsham > on a voyage from Lisbon to Newfoundland, taken by pirates ransom £60 11s. > 3d. > Exeter, St. Thomas, 1681, Thomas Luckas, husbandman, father of ----, > sailor on the Desire of Topsham, taken by pirates. > Kenton, Devon, 1682, John Moale, sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham > taken by pirates (certificate). > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Hannah Shower, wife of Samuel Shower, sailor in the > John Pincke of Topsham on a voyage to Barbados taken by pirates, ransom 12 > pieces of eight. > Topsham, Devon, about 1682, Elizabeth Mountstephen, wife of Isaac > Mountstephen, sailor on a voyage to Barbados on the Royal Prince of > Topsham, taken by pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Mary Caldome, wife of Samuel Caldome, mate on The > John Pinke of Topsham on a voyage to Barbados taken by pirates, ransom > £180. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, William Off, father of Elias Off, sailor, taken by > pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Sarah Greene, widow, mother of Thomas Green, sailor > in the John of Topsham, taken by pirates, ransom £80. > Lympstone, Devon, 1683, (another charity brief for George Taylor) Mary > Taylor, wife of George Taylor, master of the Speedwell of Topsham, taken > by Pirates, ransom £120. > Kenton, Devon, 1683, John Whiterow, soldier on the Port Marchant of > Topsham, taken by pirates.Kenton, Devon, 1683, Mary Oliver of Powderham on > behalf of Nicholas Wotten, sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken > by pirates.Kenton, Devon, 1683, Catherine, wife of John Molle (sic) sailor > on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates, ransom £40. > Woodbury, Devon, 1683, Joan Pyne, wife of William Pyne, sailor on the > Diamond of Topsham, on a voyage from Lisbon, taken by pirates, ransom > £120. > Topsham, Devon, 1683, Hannah Worth, wife of John Worth, sailor on the John > Pinke on a voyage to Barbados, taken by pirates, ransom 400 dollars. > Ottery St Mary, 1683, Christopher Mathew, fuller, father of Christopher > Mathew, sailor in the Mary Pinke of Topsham on a voyage from Newfoundland > to Bilbao, taken by pirates, ransom £80. > Topsham, Devon, 1684, Thomas Clement, a poor orphan, sailor on the > Elizabeth of London on a voyage from London to Amsterdam to Ireland, then > to Barbados and to Serenham, taken by pirates about 50 leagues west of > Scilly, ransom £80.------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6495 - Release Date: 01/11/14 > >

There is also [no title] QS/128/20/1 1683 William Bricknell, father of Michael Bricknell, a captive of the Turks in Tituan, voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, ransom £30 Not sure if this is an actual ancestor, although I have Bricknells of Exmouth among my ancestors. Angela in Dawlish > From: giontobac@outlook.com > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 00:35:13 -0300 > Subject: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs > > The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. I am certain there were others with no surviving records. > Kenton, Devon, about 1673, Jane, wife of Samuel Clarke, who was a mate of the Societie of Topsham on a voyage from Newfoundland, taken by pirates, ransom £125. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Sarah Farrant, wife of William Farrant, sailor on the Good Success of Topsham belonging to Nicholas Broking of Exeter, merchant, taken by pirates, ransom £70. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Ursula, wife of William Phippard, mariner master & part owner of the Good Defence of Topsham on a voyage to Malaga and other places, taken by pirates with two of his sons and the rest of the ship's company. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Charity Tomline, widow, mother of a son of 22, sailor on a ship from the port of Exon, taken by pirates, ransom £75. > Topsham, Devon, 1673, Mary wife of Andrew Hodder, master and part owner of the Mavy of Topsham returning from Portugal, taken by pirates, ransom £180. > Dawlish, Devon, 1679, Nicholas Fox on The Mary of Topsham, on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, 1679, Mary, wife of George Voysie, sailor on the Hannah, from Portugal to Topsham, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, about 1679, Jane Crute, sister of John Crute the younger, sailor on the Hannah of Topsham, taken by pirates. > Dawlish, Devon, about 1680, ----- Pedericke, sailor on the Mary of Topsham, on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1680s, William Tapley, sailor on the Morleaux of Topsham on a voyage from Lisbon to Newfoundland, taken by pirates ransom £60 11s. 3d. > Exeter, St. Thomas, 1681, Thomas Luckas, husbandman, father of ----, sailor on the Desire of Topsham, taken by pirates. > Kenton, Devon, 1682, John Moale, sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham taken by pirates (certificate). > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Hannah Shower, wife of Samuel Shower, sailor in the John Pincke of Topsham on a voyage to Barbados taken by pirates, ransom 12 pieces of eight. > Topsham, Devon, about 1682, Elizabeth Mountstephen, wife of Isaac Mountstephen, sailor on a voyage to Barbados on the Royal Prince of Topsham, taken by pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Mary Caldome, wife of Samuel Caldome, mate on The John Pinke of Topsham on a voyage to Barbados taken by pirates, ransom £180. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, William Off, father of Elias Off, sailor, taken by pirates. > Topsham, Devon, 1682, Sarah Greene, widow, mother of Thomas Green, sailor in the John of Topsham, taken by pirates, ransom £80. > Lympstone, Devon, 1683, (another charity brief for George Taylor) Mary Taylor, wife of George Taylor, master of the Speedwell of Topsham, taken by Pirates, ransom £120. > Kenton, Devon, 1683, John Whiterow, soldier on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates.Kenton, Devon, 1683, Mary Oliver of Powderham on behalf of Nicholas Wotten, sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates.Kenton, Devon, 1683, Catherine, wife of John Molle (sic) sailor on the Port Marchant of Topsham, taken by pirates, ransom £40. > Woodbury, Devon, 1683, Joan Pyne, wife of William Pyne, sailor on the Diamond of Topsham, on a voyage from Lisbon, taken by pirates, ransom £120. > Topsham, Devon, 1683, Hannah Worth, wife of John Worth, sailor on the John Pinke on a voyage to Barbados, taken by pirates, ransom 400 dollars. > Ottery St Mary, 1683, Christopher Mathew, fuller, father of Christopher Mathew, sailor in the Mary Pinke of Topsham on a voyage from Newfoundland to Bilbao, taken by pirates, ransom £80. > Topsham, Devon, 1684, Thomas Clement, a poor orphan, sailor on the Elizabeth of London on a voyage from London to Amsterdam to Ireland, then to Barbados and to Serenham, taken by pirates about 50 leagues west of Scilly, ransom £80.------ > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try googling your name Mark Anthony Bozon... Cheers, Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Dave and Linda Burnett Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:35 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Mark Anthony BOZON This story is a long one so I will condense it severely. My 3G Grandfather Isaac Charles Smith COLLETT married Sophia BOZON, May 19, 1807, in her home town of Stoke Damerel, Devon England. He was a Naval Officer. My fourth great grandparents Mark Anthony BOZON Jr. (1766-1846) and wife Jane WORTHONBURY are relatively easy to follow with several family events listed at Stoke Damerel and Devonport. He was an Army Officer. My search is now focused on Mark Anthony BOZON Sr. (1744-1808) and his wife Jane (birth surname unknown),who were Plymouth Navy Agents from about 1789 to 1808. Their origins seem very difficult to determine. Realizing that the stories of military people are not limited to a particular county, I would like to ask if any of the family history detectives on this list can help with a clue or suggestion. I would be happy to provide additional information to anyone who might be interested. Dave in Canada